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2012-09-26 01:45:07 PM

Osomatic: Yeah, this. Given that the refs are even willing to allow new refs to be put on 401K as long as the current refs keep their pensions, and that the NFL has so far said no... I can't imagine what a tentative agreement would be if that hasn't changed.


Possibly some deal where the owners put some or all of the value of their old pension into their new 401K.
 
2012-09-26 01:47:54 PM
My name is Potato. People say, "The Shield should have been ashamed! Have you no credibility." Nein Nein, do you recognize the evil in all of you, that you would have done the same, if you dared know yourselves. My defense? It vas a simultaneous possession. People laugh Ha ha! You don't know what your talking about, that Tate pushed off and had possession of Jennings in the end zone. I vas a referee, a good division III referee. Do you people think yourselves better because you burned your enemies from 6,000 miles away with phone calls? Without ever seeing what you'd done to them? Steroids, Vegas, ESPN, Goodell . . . Auf Wiedersehen!!
 
2012-09-26 01:50:05 PM
It is really sad when some bonehead call like this allows Unions to negotiate

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Even I can see this is not a simultaneous catch. The cost of the old RESPECTED refs coming back is a Packer loss.
 
2012-09-26 01:51:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: I'd be pissed off if I were the Browns or the Ravens. They should wait until they can cover a full week, not leave Thursday's game to the replacements.


If the Ravens can't beat the Browns even with refs helping 'em, then they need to be ashamed of themselves.

seumasokelly: yelmrog: Zoophagous: Is there anything Golden Tate can't do?

resist maple bars.

To be fair, that incident did get the team a sponsorship deal with Top Pot. When Golden Tate is involved, everything comes up roses.


I think I'm all up for Golden Tate (does "negative" thing, begets positive result) being the new meme.
 
2012-09-26 01:52:31 PM

kkinnison: It is really sad when some bonehead call like this allows Unions to negotiate

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It's really sad when one still frame taken as the call is being made leads dumbasses to believe that there's no case for a simultaneous catch when the receiver has two hands on the ball.
 
2012-09-26 01:53:46 PM

netweavr: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: basemetal: Finally. I wonder, now that the regular refs will be back, how many penalties will be called due to some bad habits picked up under the scab officiating.

/it'll still be hard to be a Raiders fan.

You don't have to be a Raider fan. There is help out there.

/kidding. Or am I?

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The Dallas Cowboys are the new Raiders. They had 13 for 105 this week. Mostly false-starts.
 
2012-09-26 01:59:21 PM

Treygreen13: netweavr: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: basemetal: Finally. I wonder, now that the regular refs will be back, how many penalties will be called due to some bad habits picked up under the scab officiating.

/it'll still be hard to be a Raiders fan.

You don't have to be a Raider fan. There is help out there.

/kidding. Or am I?

[i.imgur.com image 450x500]

The Dallas Cowboys are the new Raiders. They had 13 for 105 this week. Mostly false-starts.


I think both teams had more yardage on their penalties on Monday night. I'm prettu sure both were in double dits on the number of penalties too. The replacement refs are the new Raiders.
 
2012-09-26 02:00:57 PM
Can First Ballot Hall of Famer
Golden Tate
microwave a burrito so hot that
even he cannot eat it?
\o/
|
/ \
 
 
2012-09-26 02:02:11 PM

IAmRight: kkinnison: It is really sad when some bonehead call like this allows Unions to negotiate

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It's really sad when one still frame taken as the call is being made leads dumbasses to believe that there's no case for a simultaneous catch when the receiver has two hands on the ball.


I was thinking the same thing. Especially since you can see the one referee starting to raise his hands signaling touchdown... which means that the frame was taken about about 6 seconds after the play was over and possession no longer mattered. Though that brings up a valid point, if they think that that frame, taken so long after the play was over, proves that it was an interception, shouldn't that mean the fact that Tate eventually ended up with sole possession of the football, which is even longer after the play is over, proves that it was actually a catch?
 
2012-09-26 02:04:01 PM

Treygreen13: The Dallas Cowboys are the new Raiders. They had 13 for 105 this week. Mostly false-starts.


I'd have thought the Seahawks or the Cowboys would be near the top since they were the top two teams in the league in penalties after Week 1...but in the Seahawks/Cowboys matchup, there were only five penalties on each side.

Seahawks have 27 in their two other games; Cowboys have 26.
 
2012-09-26 02:06:17 PM

kkinnison: It is really sad when some bonehead call like this allows Unions to negotiate

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Even I can see this is not a simultaneous catch. The cost of the old RESPECTED refs coming back is a Packer loss.


If the receiver catches the safety while he's still in the air intercepting the ball, that counts as a simultaneous catch.
 
2012-09-26 02:07:18 PM

Fricknmaniac: Though that brings up a valid point, if they think that that frame, taken so long after the play was over, proves that it was an interception, shouldn't that mean the fact that Tate eventually ended up with sole possession of the football, which is even longer after the play is over, proves that it was actually a catch?


Reality: Nothing about the video "proves" anything.
What everyone says: "Based on my interpretations of the rule that I knew nothing about and based on my gut reaction, I will judge the events in this video to suit my needs based on what I think the outcome should have been."

/well, in reality Tate should've been called for OPI and the play wouldn't have mattered. But beyond that it's inconclusive at best based on your own personal definition of "control" as well as your interpretations of each movement.
 
2012-09-26 02:08:14 PM
According to a tweet from NFLRA no deal is imminent although progress has been made.
 
2012-09-26 02:09:27 PM

js34603: So how long before we can start complaining about the regular refs? I could see a week or two grace period since we're all so happy they are back.



I give the next Philly game 5 plays.
 
2012-09-26 02:10:31 PM

IAmRight: Treygreen13: The Dallas Cowboys are the new Raiders. They had 13 for 105 this week. Mostly false-starts.

I'd have thought the Seahawks or the Cowboys would be near the top since they were the top two teams in the league in penalties after Week 1...but in the Seahawks/Cowboys matchup, there were only five penalties on each side.

Seahawks have 27 in their two other games; Cowboys have 26.


The Cowboys didn't even need to commit 5 penalties in that Seahawks/Cowboys game. It was such a thorough beating that they could have called zero penalties and the outcome would have been the same.

Also, until Jason Witten gets his shiat together, the Cowboys are going to keep looking bad. The line is getting zero push for the running game.
 
2012-09-26 02:12:38 PM
WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.
 
2012-09-26 02:12:57 PM

ddam: According to a tweet from NFLRA no deal is imminent although progress has been made.


Plus, after listening to Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL channel, he was saying that the refs all have to meet in person to ratify this deal, so they would have to catch a plane to the meeting place and then head to assigned destination cities straight from there. So it makes me wonder if they can do this before tomorrow nights game.
 
2012-09-26 02:15:22 PM

basemetal: ddam: According to a tweet from NFLRA no deal is imminent although progress has been made.

Plus, after listening to Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL channel, he was saying that the refs all have to meet in person to ratify this deal, so they would have to catch a plane to the meeting place and then head to assigned destination cities straight from there. So it makes me wonder if they can do this before tomorrow nights game.


Yeah, the real refs will not be on the field this weekend but hopefully by next weekend if both parties keep working on a deal and it doesn't get derailed somehow.
 
2012-09-26 02:17:12 PM

basemetal: ddam: According to a tweet from NFLRA no deal is imminent although progress has been made.

Plus, after listening to Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL channel, he was saying that the refs all have to meet in person to ratify this deal, so they would have to catch a plane to the meeting place and then head to assigned destination cities straight from there. So it makes me wonder if they can do this before tomorrow nights game.


There is no way the Original refs are going to be available week 4. People keep forgetting the Thursday game.
 
2012-09-26 02:19:36 PM

netweavr: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: basemetal: Finally. I wonder, now that the regular refs will be back, how many penalties will be called due to some bad habits picked up under the scab officiating.

/it'll still be hard to be a Raiders fan.

You don't have to be a Raider fan. There is help out there.

/kidding. Or am I?


Omfg replacement refs won that game for the Raiders!!

/not really...sigh
 
2012-09-26 02:24:02 PM

netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.


How much did they guy who tried to cripple Hood get?

/I'm guessing zero
 
2012-09-26 02:25:30 PM

kkinnison: basemetal: ddam: According to a tweet from NFLRA no deal is imminent although progress has been made.

Plus, after listening to Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL channel, he was saying that the refs all have to meet in person to ratify this deal, so they would have to catch a plane to the meeting place and then head to assigned destination cities straight from there. So it makes me wonder if they can do this before tomorrow nights game.

There is no way the Original refs are going to be available week 4. People keep forgetting the Thursday game.


As a Ravens fan, I fear I may soon wish to forget the Thursday game.
 
2012-09-26 02:30:57 PM

Fricknmaniac: IAmRight: kkinnison: It is really sad when some bonehead call like this allows Unions to negotiate

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 456x622]

It's really sad when one still frame taken as the call is being made leads dumbasses to believe that there's no case for a simultaneous catch when the receiver has two hands on the ball.

I was thinking the same thing. Especially since you can see the one referee starting to raise his hands signaling touchdown... which means that the frame was taken about about 6 seconds after the play was over and possession no longer mattered. Though that brings up a valid point, if they think that that frame, taken so long after the play was over, proves that it was an interception, shouldn't that mean the fact that Tate eventually ended up with sole possession of the football, which is even longer after the play is over, proves that it was actually a catch?


I mean, just from the fact that it shows Jennings with his back to Tate, you can see that this is from *after* Jennings ripped the ball away, when the play was over. As I said a dozen or so times yesterday, I'm with the majority that it should have been called an INT -- but that picture is, I think, intentionally misleading.
 
2012-09-26 02:31:19 PM

kkinnison: basemetal: ddam: According to a tweet from NFLRA no deal is imminent although progress has been made.

Plus, after listening to Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL channel, he was saying that the refs all have to meet in person to ratify this deal, so they would have to catch a plane to the meeting place and then head to assigned destination cities straight from there. So it makes me wonder if they can do this before tomorrow nights game.

There is no way the Original refs are going to be available week 4. People keep forgetting the Thursday game.


The story has been all morning that the refs, were they to get a deal all done today, might be available for Sunday's games. The Thursday game, no matter what, will be and was always going to be, reffed by replacements.
 
2012-09-26 02:31:38 PM

js34603: netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.

How much did they guy who tried to cripple Hood get?

/I'm guessing zero


What does that have to do with Mundy's punishment?
 
2012-09-26 02:34:41 PM

IAmRight: Fricknmaniac: Though that brings up a valid point, if they think that that frame, taken so long after the play was over, proves that it was an interception, shouldn't that mean the fact that Tate eventually ended up with sole possession of the football, which is even longer after the play is over, proves that it was actually a catch?

Reality: Nothing about the video "proves" anything.
What everyone says: "Based on my interpretations of the rule that I knew nothing about and based on my gut reaction, I will judge the events in this video to suit my needs based on what I think the outcome should have been."

/well, in reality Tate should've been called for OPI and the play wouldn't have mattered. But beyond that it's inconclusive at best based on your own personal definition of "control" as well as your interpretations of each movement.



Troll. That's right. You are a troll.

That's an interception. Pass interference is rarely called in Hail Mary situations. Packers were screwed out of a victory. Choke on your on spin you useless troll.
 
2012-09-26 02:35:04 PM

js34603: netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.

How much did they guy who tried to cripple Hood get?

/I'm guessing zero


As a Raider fan, I'm not sure what happened (not saying it didn't happen, just saying I didn't see/don't remember it), but if it was anywhere near as bad as the hit on DHB I fully agree there should have been a fine (as well as possibly the late hit on Roth). I believe Mundy should have gotten more (then again I'm not sure how much is fined typically for hits like this), just because afterwards he went and did the same stupid shiat (but legally) on Myers and gave him a concussion not even 10 minutes after DHB was carted off the field.

/stop headbutting assholes, we aren't rams, or simpsons characters
//goes for all teams
 
2012-09-26 02:35:12 PM

182: maybe the sports writers can tone down the hyperbole, now.


It's funny, because apparently the hyperbole is Goodell's fault too. According to one media person, Goodell asked the media to lay off the replacement refs in week one by lying to them and saying that a deal with the regulars was almost done. Then, after week one when it got out that the two sides hadn't met for weeks, the media people got pissed and just started laying into the refs in week two.
 
2012-09-26 02:35:33 PM

seumasokelly: Golden Tate saves the season. He runs, he hits, he catches (sometimes) and now he's negotiating new labor contracts. This guy is unstoppable.


That's funny right there. It makes me hate myself that I laughed, but that is funny.
 
2012-09-26 02:35:36 PM

chuggernaught: Troll. That's right. You are a troll.


He's not a troll. He's biased here (being a Seahawks fan) and incorrect - but IAmRight isn't a troll.
 
2012-09-26 02:37:12 PM
Which replacements are doing Thursday's game?

Any chance I can contact one of them to find out if the Ravens will cover?
 
2012-09-26 02:37:41 PM

netweavr: js34603: netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.

How much did they guy who tried to cripple Hood get?

/I'm guessing zero

What does that have to do with Mundy's punishment?


Mundy was involved in a split second play made without the intention to injure.

The o-lineman made an intentional decision to dive at Hood's knees while he was engaged with someone else.

One was punished and one was not. That's what it had to do with it. I'd say $21000 is plenty of punishment for an accident when the fine for intentionally trying to hurt someone is $0.

/as long as it is a defensive player of course
 
2012-09-26 02:42:19 PM

Harv72b: [i27.photobucket.com image 640x360]


i still haven't figured out if that is a guy or a girl.
 
2012-09-26 02:42:30 PM

basemetal: Finally. I wonder, now that the regular refs will be back, how many penalties will be called due to some bad habits picked up under the scab officiating.

/it'll still be hard to be a Raiders fan.


Nothing, in fact there may be a few weeks where linemen have to relearn how to hold to keep the defenders away from the QB.
 
2012-09-26 02:44:08 PM

halfof33: Can First Ballot Hall of Famer
Golden Tate
microwave a burrito so hot that
even he cannot eat it?
\o/
|
/ \


Every time he showers it's a Golden one. Ewww.
 
2012-09-26 02:45:56 PM

js34603: netweavr: js34603: netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.

How much did they guy who tried to cripple Hood get?

/I'm guessing zero

What does that have to do with Mundy's punishment?

Mundy was involved in a split second play made without the intention to injure.

The o-lineman made an intentional decision to dive at Hood's knees while he was engaged with someone else.

One was punished and one was not. That's what it had to do with it. I'd say $21000 is plenty of punishment for an accident when the fine for intentionally trying to hurt someone is $0.

/as long as it is a defensive player of course


Mundy intentionally hit a defenseless receiver in the head resulting in an injury which required hospitalization and will probably result in a missed game. If it wasn't intentional, then why did he leave his feet initiating the hit?

What someone else did during the game is irrelevant, otherwise no one should ever be punished because some guy got away with a hit once.
 
2012-09-26 02:46:38 PM

kkinnison: It is really sad when some bonehead call like this allows Unions to negotiate



Even I can see this is not a simultaneous catch. The cost of the old RESPECTED refs coming back is a Packer loss.


What's funny is every week there were people biatching about calls last year, yet you use the term "respected" a more proper term would be tolerated.

What's the over/under until someone biatches about these refs? I give it within the first half.........
 
2012-09-26 02:49:00 PM

hammer85: js34603: netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.

How much did they guy who tried to cripple Hood get?

/I'm guessing zero

As a Raider fan, I'm not sure what happened (not saying it didn't happen, just saying I didn't see/don't remember it), but if it was anywhere near as bad as the hit on DHB I fully agree there should have been a fine (as well as possibly the late hit on Roth). I believe Mundy should have gotten more (then again I'm not sure how much is fined typically for hits like this), just because afterwards he went and did the same stupid shiat (but legally) on Myers and gave him a concussion not even 10 minutes after DHB was carted off the field.

/stop headbutting assholes, we aren't rams, or simpsons characters
//goes for all teams


One of the Raiders lineman dove at Hood's knees while he was engaged. Besides being illegal it is just as likely to injure someone (perhaps moreso) as anything Mundy did.

The other issue is Mundy did not intend to injure anyone. Both of his hits resulted in head to head contact, but no one, including the Raiders coach Zach Braff, thinks he did it on purpose or intending to hurt Bey or the other guy.

When you cut block someone that takes a deliberate intent to dive at your opponents knees with the knowledge that diving at his knees could cripple him, and doesn't happen in a split second with no forethought like Mundy's plays.

The fine was to be expected and in the new NFL is completely right and justifiable. I've given up trying to rationalize the way they call helmet to helmet contact now. I've moved on the hypocrisy of how it is fine-able and even suspendable to make contact with someone's head but completely ok to dive at a guy's knees while he is engaged.

/the hit on Roethlisberger should have been a penalty and fine too, but I have also given up expecting any consistency from the NFL and never expected any from the replacement refs
//either way the Raiders kicked our ass, he got fined and Bey wasn't even really hurt so I'm kinda surprised Raiders' (!!) fans are upset about it
 
2012-09-26 02:50:19 PM

Jubeebee: TFA says they still haven't worked out the retirement plan, which was the real cause of this whole mess in the first place. I'll hold off on any optimism until I see Hochuli's magnificent arms signaling that the negotiations are good.


This is a point where I think the refs are being a bit unreasonable. I understand they'd rather have a traditional pension, but the NFL has moved everybody else to the 401K model and it's pretty much standard practice in the business world already.

Hopefully the pension thing doesn't still constitute an immovable object.
 
2012-09-26 02:54:16 PM

seumasokelly: kkinnison: basemetal: ddam: According to a tweet from NFLRA no deal is imminent although progress has been made.

Plus, after listening to Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL channel, he was saying that the refs all have to meet in person to ratify this deal, so they would have to catch a plane to the meeting place and then head to assigned destination cities straight from there. So it makes me wonder if they can do this before tomorrow nights game.

There is no way the Original refs are going to be available week 4. People keep forgetting the Thursday game.

The story has been all morning that the refs, were they to get a deal all done today, might be available for Sunday's games. The Thursday game, no matter what, will be and was always going to be, reffed by replacements.


I'm at work so I can't link the tweet but on my phone I read this from SportsCenter feed: "sources tell @mortreport that if a deal between NFL & NFLRA gets done today, there are referees ready to go for Thursday night's game".
 
2012-09-26 02:54:25 PM

Super Chronic: *after* Jennings ripped the ball away,


Well, since Tate still had hands on it the entire way, I wouldn't go with "ripped away" as the right word.

chuggernaught: Troll. That's right. You are a troll.

That's an interception. Pass interference is rarely called in Hail Mary situations. Packers were screwed out of a victory. Choke on your on spin you useless troll.


"I don't read what you write and then misinterpret it intentionally, then call YOU a troll."
 
2012-09-26 02:54:49 PM

Treygreen13: exick: Good, so now we can get back to the announcers spewing platitudes about not blaming the refs instead of over-scrutinizing the guys who fark up the same calls that the "real" refs do.

I hadn't considered that, for once, Gruden didn't wax poetic about how much of a football player somebody was and how they were one of the best long snappers in the National... Football... League. When he was sitting there dejectedly lamenting the blown call, he actually sounded like a normal human being and I could relate to something he was saying.


So i'm not the only one who has noticed that each week he will some player is the best in the nfl at some position. The following week, he will say some different player is the best in the nfl at that same position. I would rather Dennis Miller come back than have to hear chuckie announce games.
 
2012-09-26 02:56:33 PM

js34603:
//either way the Raiders kicked our ass, he got fined and Bey wasn't even really hurt so I'm kinda surprised Raiders' (!!) fans are upset about it


What? Lets do that to you and see what kind of hurt you're in after a concussion and neck strain. That hit could've ended Heyward-Bey's career.
 
2012-09-26 02:58:02 PM

netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.


I thought he got a game suspension (which he is appealing). Did that already get settled?
 
2012-09-26 02:58:18 PM

greenboy: So i'm not the only one who has noticed that each week he will some player is the best in the nfl at some position. The following week, he will say some different player is the best in the nfl at that same position. I would rather Dennis Miller come back than have to hear chuckie announce games.


It's his whole schtick. He rarely has anything to say about the game going on, but instead dedicates his whole speaking time to some ridiculous nickname he has for a player, or how when he was in the NFL this guy was somebody he saw once, or how the player is the best in the entire world at some activity that he thinks is critical.

Another thing that he does that irritates me greatly is how, when a great play is made, he immediately says, "When I was a coach we called that play 128 Z-Right Trip Blowback Red Flimgangle". Nobody cares, Gruden. Shut up.
 
2012-09-26 02:58:40 PM

greenboy: Treygreen13: exick: Good, so now we can get back to the announcers spewing platitudes about not blaming the refs instead of over-scrutinizing the guys who fark up the same calls that the "real" refs do.

I hadn't considered that, for once, Gruden didn't wax poetic about how much of a football player somebody was and how they were one of the best long snappers in the National... Football... League. When he was sitting there dejectedly lamenting the blown call, he actually sounded like a normal human being and I could relate to something he was saying.

So i'm not the only one who has noticed that each week he will some player is the best in the nfl at some position. The following week, he will say some different player is the best in the nfl at that same position. I would rather Dennis Miller come back than have to hear chuckie announce games.


That is too far. Dennis Miller was the worst thing to ever happen to MNF. Dennis Miller was the worst thing to happen to a lot of stuff, in fact.
 
2012-09-26 02:59:29 PM

wooden_badger: netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.

I thought he got a game suspension (which he is appealing). Did that already get settled?


The game suspension, the only one I've heard about this week anyway, was for a hit on Matt Schaub.
 
2012-09-26 03:00:34 PM

wooden_badger: netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.

I thought he got a game suspension (which he is appealing). Did that already get settled?


Just $21k
 
2012-09-26 03:00:57 PM

netweavr: js34603: netweavr: js34603: netweavr: WTF? Mundy only got $21K the hit on Heyward-Bey.

How much did they guy who tried to cripple Hood get?

/I'm guessing zero

What does that have to do with Mundy's punishment?

Mundy was involved in a split second play made without the intention to injure.

The o-lineman made an intentional decision to dive at Hood's knees while he was engaged with someone else.

One was punished and one was not. That's what it had to do with it. I'd say $21000 is plenty of punishment for an accident when the fine for intentionally trying to hurt someone is $0.

/as long as it is a defensive player of course

Mundy intentionally hit a defenseless receiver in the head resulting in an injury which required hospitalization and will probably result in a missed game. If it wasn't intentional, then why did he leave his feet initiating the hit?

What someone else did during the game is irrelevant, otherwise no one should ever be punished because some guy got away with a hit once.


I'm not sure that means what you think it means. Yes, he meant to hit Heyward-Bey. No, he did not intentionally hit him in the head. Yes, he should have been punished, because it's his job not to hit defenseless people in the head.
 
2012-09-26 03:01:06 PM

greenboy: Treygreen13: exick: Good, so now we can get back to the announcers spewing platitudes about not blaming the refs instead of over-scrutinizing the guys who fark up the same calls that the "real" refs do.

I hadn't considered that, for once, Gruden didn't wax poetic about how much of a football player somebody was and how they were one of the best long snappers in the National... Football... League. When he was sitting there dejectedly lamenting the blown call, he actually sounded like a normal human being and I could relate to something he was saying.

So i'm not the only one who has noticed that each week he will some player is the best in the nfl at some position. The following week, he will say some different player is the best in the nfl at that same position. I would rather Dennis Miller come back than have to hear chuckie announce games.


Yeah, Gruden is pure awful. He just kisses the ass of whatever player has most recently made the best play.
 
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