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2012-09-26 12:02:53 PM
You know what else won't be changing? The White House decor for 4 more years.
 
2012-09-26 12:40:03 PM
So are they suggesting we should just give up hope?
 
2012-09-26 12:50:20 PM

mrshowrules: You know what else won't be changing? The White House decor for 4 more years.


YUP! sry subby, hang in there, champ
 
2012-09-26 12:51:13 PM
He seems to be forgetting the speech that Obama gave when he accepted the Nobel prize.

"But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: Evil does exist in the world."

"But the world must remember that it was not simply international institutions - not just treaties and declarations - that brought stability to a post-World War II world. Whatever mistakes we have made, the plain fact is this: The United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms."
 
2012-09-26 12:51:59 PM
We get it, CNN. You've got bills to pay and frankly, nobody watches the TV to see a landslide. It's ok, maybe I'll help you out by telling pollsters I'm going to vote for Romney (if I can keep a straight face) just to boost your ratings a bit.
 
2012-09-26 12:52:38 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: He seems to be forgetting the speech that Obama gave when he accepted the Nobel prize.

"But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: Evil does exist in the world."

"But the world must remember that it was not simply international institutions - not just treaties and declarations - that brought stability to a post-World War II world. Whatever mistakes we have made, the plain fact is this: The United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms."


APOLOGIZING FOR AMERICA
 
2012-09-26 12:54:56 PM
"A lotta hope, not much change"

A lotta words, still not watching CNN
 
2012-09-26 12:56:45 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: He seems to be forgetting the speech that Obama gave when he accepted the Nobel prize.

"But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: Evil does exist in the world."

"But the world must remember that it was not simply international institutions - not just treaties and declarations - that brought stability to a post-World War II world. Whatever mistakes we have made, the plain fact is this: The United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms."


The invisible Obama that only Republicans can see was busy golfing that day, just like every day, so he couldn't possibly have given that speech
 
2012-09-26 12:59:05 PM
I instinctively ignore stories talking about hope and change because I know they are guaranteed to be retarded. Hop/Change were slogans/motifs. No actual news would be written about them, unless that news story is four years old.
 
2012-09-26 12:59:44 PM
If this was on paper at least you could train a puppy on it.

An editorial that whines about "not much change" without, y'know, comparing this president to the last one. Good job, "CNN Opinion"!
 
2012-09-26 01:05:42 PM
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-09-26 01:08:01 PM
I'm still waiting for my unicorn.
 
2012-09-26 01:12:00 PM

Nurglitch: I'm still waiting for my unicorn.


The unicorns were for Liberals. Watching the GOP party eat itself is like a rainbow shiatting unicorn to us.
 
2012-09-26 01:13:05 PM

Altair: mrshowrules: You know what else won't be changing? The White House decor for 4 more years.

YUP! sry subby, hang in there, champ


I'm not subby. I've actually have never been greenlit ever. It is my curse.
 
2012-09-26 01:17:16 PM
Nurglitch
I'm still waiting for my unicorn.

Accepting the belief that it is unrealistic to expect faithful, honest leadership is precisely why we don't have it.
 
2012-09-26 01:23:16 PM

mrshowrules: Nurglitch: I'm still waiting for my unicorn.

The unicorns were for Liberals. Watching the GOP party eat itself is like a rainbow shiatting unicorn to us.


Okay mister Mainstream MSM Media correspondent, identify yourself. Do you work for the CNN Network or the NBC Company?
 
2012-09-26 01:24:56 PM
www.classwarfareexists.com
 
2012-09-26 01:26:35 PM
Do I need to post my little "The first US President to consider me a human being - that's change I can believe in" rant again?
 
2012-09-26 01:27:09 PM
*sigh* Obama attempts to give us real explanations as to why things are farked up, and why his power to change everything is limited, and he gets nothing but quizzical dog. But if he started blithering about "American exceptionalism" and "USA! USA! USA!" he'd have more damn votes than he knows what to do with.

I don't think he's been a spectacular President, but consider what he's had to work with. He's going to look like he's 70 by the time he gets out of office.
 
2012-09-26 01:27:59 PM

lacrossestar83: mrshowrules: Nurglitch: I'm still waiting for my unicorn.

The unicorns were for Liberals. Watching the GOP party eat itself is like a rainbow shiatting unicorn to us.

Okay mister Mainstream MSM Media correspondent, identify yourself. Do you work for the CNN Network or the NBC Company?


I'll give you a hint so you know my true colours, eh
 
2012-09-26 01:31:44 PM

cryinoutloud: *sigh* Obama attempts to give us real explanations as to why things are farked up, and why his power to change everything is limited, and he gets nothing but quizzical dog. But if he started blithering about "American exceptionalism" and "USA! USA! USA!" he'd have more damn votes than he knows what to do with.

I don't think he's been a spectacular President, but consider what he's had to work with. He's going to look like he's 70 by the time he gets out of office.



His party controlling both houses and the WH for his first two years? Yeah, I can see how that would be really tough.
 
2012-09-26 01:34:49 PM
cryinoutloud
Obama attempts to give us real explanations as to why things are farked up, and why his power to change everything is limited, and he gets nothing but quizzical dog.

Bullshiat. Bullshiat. Bullshiat. Stop pedaling this bullshiat. This 'its not my fault' approach is a tried and true tactic of the Obama administration, but it's not the truth.

The proof is, as they say, in the pudding. When Obama signed the NDAA, he expressed reservations about certain provisions and blamed Congress for, essentially, forcing his hand. OK fine. Maybe Congress got him this time, but our progressive champion President will surely get the last laugh.

But wait, his next move is to... fight tooth and nail to uphold those very provisions of the NDAA in court?!?

What's that, you didn't hear about that story? Gee, color me surprised.
 
2012-09-26 01:35:13 PM

xtragrind: cryinoutloud: *sigh* Obama attempts to give us real explanations as to why things are farked up, and why his power to change everything is limited, and he gets nothing but quizzical dog. But if he started blithering about "American exceptionalism" and "USA! USA! USA!" he'd have more damn votes than he knows what to do with.

I don't think he's been a spectacular President, but consider what he's had to work with. He's going to look like he's 70 by the time he gets out of office.


His party controlling both houses and the WH for his first two years? Yeah, I can see how that would be really tough.


Didn't he pass universal health care, find the bottom of the economic collapse and end a war in those 2 years?
 
2012-09-26 01:36:32 PM

xtragrind: cryinoutloud: *sigh* Obama attempts to give us real explanations as to why things are farked up, and why his power to change everything is limited, and he gets nothing but quizzical dog. But if he started blithering about "American exceptionalism" and "USA! USA! USA!" he'd have more damn votes than he knows what to do with.

I don't think he's been a spectacular President, but consider what he's had to work with. He's going to look like he's 70 by the time he gets out of office.


His party controlling both houses and the WH for his first two years? Yeah, I can see how that would be really tough.


when was that? Because they never had a filibuster proof senate.
 
2012-09-26 01:37:25 PM

mrexcess: cryinoutloud
Obama attempts to give us real explanations as to why things are farked up, and why his power to change everything is limited, and he gets nothing but quizzical dog.

Bullshiat. Bullshiat. Bullshiat. Stop pedaling this bullshiat. This 'its not my fault' approach is a tried and true tactic of the Obama administration, but it's not the truth.

The proof is, as they say, in the pudding. When Obama signed the NDAA, he expressed reservations about certain provisions and blamed Congress for, essentially, forcing his hand. OK fine. Maybe Congress got him this time, but our progressive champion President will surely get the last laugh.

But wait, his next move is to... fight tooth and nail to uphold those very provisions of the NDAA in court?!?

What's that, you didn't hear about that story? Gee, color me surprised.


The executive branch defending a duly passed United States federal law in court should surprise absolutely no one.
 
2012-09-26 01:41:30 PM
You know, it's kind of silly that suddenly they expect 100% of campaign promises to be met, or suddenly it is 100% failure. Seriously, there is a LOT that Obama has accomplished in the positive, but it's always a story about how he didn't perform superhuman feat 'X'(Really, worldwide nuclear disarmament? Get farking real), while ignoring feats 'A-W'. plus 'Y' and 'Z'.
 
2012-09-26 01:43:20 PM
mrshowrules
Didn't he pass universal health care

No, Obamacare is not universal health care, it's a mandate requiring those who can ostensibly afford it to go out and buy expensive private insurance. More than 30 million Americans will still be uninsured.

find the bottom of the economic collapse

Have you seen the job numbers? Our GDP is predicted to grow a miserable 1%-1.5% this year. Another recession is still being talked about. Everyone is biting their nails to see the holiday spending numbers. It cannot be reasonably said that we have "found the bottom".

and end a war in those 2 years?

If, by "end a war", you mean "got kicked out of Iraq by the Iraqi government despite wanting to stay", I guess. But then there's Libya, Syria, and Yemen...
 
2012-09-26 01:47:29 PM
qorkfiend
The executive branch defending a duly passed United States federal law in court should surprise absolutely no one.

Should be surprising when the executive branch violates US federal law, such as the War Powers Act via his military actions in Libya?
 
2012-09-26 01:48:14 PM

mrexcess: Have you seen the job numbers? Our GDP is predicted to grow a miserable 1%-1.5% this year. Another recession is still being talked about. Everyone is biting their nails to see the holiday spending numbers. It cannot be reasonably said that we have "found the bottom".


Better than it was 4 years ago.... Notice the great GDP numbers under Bush's final few quarters... or those great job loses of 700K per month (or more) during his last few months... Yea, go ahead and compare those to Obama's numbers...

GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
www.tradingeconomics.com

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 09/13/2012: 13,539.86
Rate of Return: 70.33%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 09/13/2012: 1,459.99
Rate of Return: 81.32%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 09/13/2012: 3,155.83
Rate of Return: 119.02%


Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
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Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
1/20/2001: 4.2%
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
1/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 8.1%
Unemployment Rate Change: 3.85% increase

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
1/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
1/01/2010: 9.7%
Currently: 8.1%
Unemployment Rate Change: 16.49% decrease



Unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration...
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...Even though the Tea Party Nation urged small business owners to not hire people in order to make Obama look bad

Or when a company with company policies about not hiring until Obama is gone based on nothing to do with the basic supply and demand process for his business goods.

Or having Mitch McConnell admit that Republicans took America hostage

Or having the GOP blocked a 10 percent tax break for small businesses that hires new employees

Even so, the job market did improve. Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)

Jobless claims plunged last week to a nearly four-year low (new window)

Manufacturing jobs boom is for real (new window)

If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Government's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Government can even help you pay for it (via student loans, grants, GI Bill etc.).
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Average weekly paychecks have improved.
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Inflation has not been out of control.
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Manufacturing has started to go up.
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Consumer spending is up.
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Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office. This was a rooted fear from Tea Partiers. Take a look at a Forbes article written by Bruce Bartlett, a self-described fiscal conservative...
Forbes: Tea partiers confused, taxes 'lower by every measure' under Obama (Cutting to a new window)
 
2012-09-26 01:48:40 PM
A lotta smoke, not much fire, open a window
 
2012-09-26 01:49:29 PM

mrexcess: If, by "end a war", you mean "got kicked out of Iraq by the Iraqi government despite wanting to stay", I guess. But then there's Libya, Syria, and Yemen...


Captain, morons off the port bow! Prepare the ignore cannons!
 
2012-09-26 01:50:12 PM

mrexcess: qorkfiend
The executive branch defending a duly passed United States federal law in court should surprise absolutely no one.

Should be surprising when the executive branch violates US federal law, such as the War Powers Act via his military actions in Libya?


Goalposts were here, now they're here.
 
2012-09-26 01:53:37 PM
hugram
Better than it was 4 years ago.... Notice the great GDP numbers under Bush's final few quarters... or those great job loses of 700K per month (or more) during his last few months... Yea, go ahead and compare those to Obama's numbers...

You're making a red herring argument. mrshowrules made the claim that Obama "found the bottom" of the economic downturn. My point was simply that this is not so - there is still much doubt about whether the recessions will end or we'll have another. I made no claim at all about

It is not the Government's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world.

Underemployment is a huge problem, which clearly means that education is not the (whole) solution. We have lots of educated, brilliant folks who cannot find employment at their level.

Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office.

We should be taxing the wealthy more than we are. I call that a failure.
 
2012-09-26 01:54:23 PM
qorkfiend
Goalposts were here, now they're here.

Back atcha, sir.
 
2012-09-26 01:56:13 PM
I hope the Republicans lose the House.
 
2012-09-26 01:56:59 PM
If you didn't read the article because of the trolly headline, I suggest that you do. Its incisive and thoughtful, even if I disagree with some of it. Some highlights:

It would be wrong to suggest that President Obama is solely responsible for these developments. He could no more control the Arab street than he could the behind-the-scenes machinations of a tin-pot thug like Vladimir Putin. He has racked up some considerable foreign policy achievements as well. America is out of Iraq. Bin Laden is dead. So too is Ghadafi. The U.S. economy is slowly turning a corner. And the president has been blessed with an adversary in this campaign who responds to every potential crisis for the president with a bigger self-inflicted crisis for his own campaign. Indeed, it sometimes seems that the GOP would be better running with no candidate at all than the one they have got.

...

Speaking to the United Nations, President Obama tried to evoke the strength and promise of that first year. His language was soaring and his themes were resonant. He evoked the kind of understanding for international perspectives that were signatures of that first year in office. Of the costs to the Middle East of intolerance. Of the strength of American values like free speech and government for, by and of the people. It was apparent once again that this was a compassionate president and a man of good values. But for every strong assertion that echoed through the hall, the echoes of three years of past speeches added a question: Are good values enough? Can this president, any president, any man or woman, deliver the results that would have warranted that premature prize Barack Obama was awarded in 2009?

This commentator is not a bomb thrower. He sounds like a realist. He's also the CEO of Foreign Policy magazine, a serious publication for thoughtful folks.
 
2012-09-26 01:57:48 PM

mrexcess: mrshowrules
Didn't he pass universal health care

No, Obamacare is not universal health care, it's a mandate requiring those who can ostensibly afford it to go out and buy expensive private insurance. More than 30 million Americans will still be uninsured.

False. Read you own link please. It extends insurance to over 30 million uninsured Americans. The 26 Million without coverage are mostly illegal immigrants (I'm sure the appreciate your concern though).

find the bottom of the economic collapse

Have you seen the job numbers? Our GDP is predicted to grow a miserable 1%-1.5% this year. Another recession is still being talked about. Everyone is biting their nails to see the holiday spending numbers. It cannot be reasonably said that we have "found the bottom".

You do sound concerned. I'll assume you are hoping Obama will be more successful in his second term.

and end a war in those 2 years?

If, by "end a war", you mean "got kicked out of Iraq by the Iraqi government despite wanting to stay", I guess. But then there's Libya, Syria, and Yemen...


Ya, why didn't Obama create world peace?
 
2012-09-26 01:59:10 PM
bartink: It was a great piece. It's a shame that we're all too emotionally involved (or too well paid) to concern ourselves with the facts about where our nation stands, where our leadership wants to take us, and why.
 
2012-09-26 01:59:59 PM

mrexcess: qorkfiend
Goalposts were here, now they're here.

Back atcha, sir.


I've said exactly one thing this entire thread. Explain to me how goalposts have been moved.

You, on the other hand, started by talking about the administration defending the NDAA in court, and when confronted moved on to the War Powers Resolution and Libya.
 
2012-09-26 02:02:57 PM
mrshowrules
False. Read you own link please.

There's nothing false about it. Obamacare is not universal health care. From my link: "But an estimated 26 million Americans will remain without coverage - a population that's roughly the size of Texas and includes illegal immigrants and those who can't afford to pay out-of-pocket for health insurance."

You do sound concerned. I'll assume you are hoping Obama will be more successful in his second term.

No, I'm a rabid conservative in the vein of the_gospel_of_thomas (remember him? probably not.). I hate progressives and the President with a personal passion. You can verify this by looking at my comment history stretching back to 2004.

Ya, why didn't Obama create world peace?

Aaaand strawman.
 
2012-09-26 02:03:09 PM

mrexcess: hugram
Better than it was 4 years ago.... Notice the great GDP numbers under Bush's final few quarters... or those great job loses of 700K per month (or more) during his last few months... Yea, go ahead and compare those to Obama's numbers...

You're making a red herring argument. mrshowrules made the claim that Obama "found the bottom" of the economic downturn. My point was simply that this is not so - there is still much doubt about whether the recessions will end or we'll have another. I made no claim at all about

It is not the Government's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world.

Underemployment is a huge problem, which clearly means that education is not the (whole) solution. We have lots of educated, brilliant folks who cannot find employment at their level.

Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office.

We should be taxing the wealthy more than we are. I call that a failure.


Republican Pundit Claims: "The worst of the recession was over by the time Barack Obama took office. The economy began to grow again in June of 2009 before the stimulus spending had really begun to take effect" 

So this Fox News pundit is wrong, correct?
 
2012-09-26 02:03:44 PM
qorkfiend
You, on the other hand, started by talking about the administration defending the NDAA in court, and when confronted moved on to the War Powers Resolution and Libya.

And you're studiously ignoring the relevance of one to the point you were trying to make about the other. This doesn't actually mean the point wasn't made, though.
 
2012-09-26 02:04:21 PM

mrexcess: bartink: It was a great piece. It's a shame that we're all too emotionally involved (or too well paid) to concern ourselves with the facts about where our nation stands, where our leadership wants to take us, and why.


While eloquently written, it was essentially a long winded concern troll, that judges Obama not by whether or not he has met the promises that he made to the American people, but rather by the ludicrous expectations placed on him by the Nobel Prize committee. "The Nobel people said Obama should fart unicorns and turn nuclear weapons into flowers, so hopefully Obama can live up to the attainable expectations that a group of Swiss people had for him."
 
2012-09-26 02:05:34 PM
hugram
So this Fox News pundit is wrong, correct?

His perspective is certainly not that of many economists I've heard from.
 
2012-09-26 02:07:56 PM
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist
not by whether or not he has met the promises that he made to the American people

Would you say that Obama has lived up to the expectations established by his campaign?
 
2012-09-26 02:09:35 PM
 
2012-09-26 02:10:50 PM

mrexcess: No, I'm a rabid conservative in the vein of the_gospel_of_thomas (remember him? probably not.). I hate progressives and the President with a personal passion. You can verify this by looking at my comment history stretching back to 2004.


Seriously? You're invoking TGOT for a favorable comparison?
 
2012-09-26 02:15:45 PM

mrexcess: mrshowrules
Didn't he pass universal health care

No, Obamacare is not universal health care, it's a mandate requiring those who can ostensibly afford it to go out and buy expensive private insurance. More than 30 million Americans will still be uninsured.

find the bottom of the economic collapse

Have you seen the job numbers? Our GDP is predicted to grow a miserable 1%-1.5% this year. Another recession is still being talked about. Everyone is biting their nails to see the holiday spending numbers. It cannot be reasonably said that we have "found the bottom".

and end a war in those 2 years?

If, by "end a war", you mean "got kicked out of Iraq by the Iraqi government despite wanting to stay", I guess. But then there's Libya, Syria, and Yemen...


Some people would be embarrassed to lie and be so stupid in public. But not you , Mr, GOP White Knighting Guy!
 
2012-09-26 02:15:58 PM
tl;dr

I still like Obama and think he has done a fantastic job. I don't agree with him on everything, but that he has gotten ANYTHING done with the treasonous GOP standing in his way is a testament to the man's ability.

Four more motherfarking years!
 
2012-09-26 02:19:17 PM

hugram: Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office.


Funny, I remember a rise in cigarette taxes, tanning bed taxes, and in 2014 my income tax, medicare tax, and medicade tax are going up. How is it he didnt raise taxes?
 
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