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(New York Magazine)   NY Times reporter on Mitt's plane-window gaffe: "Romney was joking". Rest of the media: Fark it, the story's too good to check and it's staying that way far as we're concerned   (nymag.com) divider line 198
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2012-09-26 10:24:55 AM
I can accept it was intended as a joke. But I also know Romney is incapable of delivering one. You want to blame the audience for a bad comedian?
 
2012-09-26 10:29:37 AM
I'll just repost what I wrote in an earlier redlit thread:

Honestly, I almost hope Romney was being serious and didn't know why airliners don't have windows operable at altitude. Otherwise, he comes across as really, really creepy.

I mean, who the hell jokes about his wife's plane being forced into an emergency landing because of a smoke-filled cabin?

This reminds me a bit of Romney's claim that he couldn't recall his prep school "prank" of holding a kid down and cutting off his hair. You almost hope that he's lying...because only a psychopath would be so callous as to forget something so obviously traumatizing that so many of his classmates remember it so clearly. The psychopath thing isn't a personal invention, by the way. Just Google "Romney" and "psychopath" and "bully."

The more I learn about this guy, the more I find him genuinely disturbing.
 
2012-09-26 10:30:27 AM
I don't think Romney thinks planes should all have windows people can open. Also, I don't think he was joking.

I'm pretty sure he was just rambling on like an idiot.
 
2012-09-26 10:31:15 AM
Is it Romney's inability to deliver a joke or the presses inability to write stories about important topics?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-26 10:31:33 AM
It was New York magazine, not the NYT.

Romney is a crappy comedian if that was a joke. He went on for a bit about getting oxygen into the plane, so I can see why people think he was serious.
 
2012-09-26 10:32:31 AM

eraser8: I'll just repost what I wrote in an earlier redlit thread:

Honestly, I almost hope Romney was being serious and didn't know why airliners don't have windows operable at altitude. Otherwise, he comes across as really, really creepy.

I mean, who the hell jokes about his wife's plane being forced into an emergency landing because of a smoke-filled cabin?

This reminds me a bit of Romney's claim that he couldn't recall his prep school "prank" of holding a kid down and cutting off his hair. You almost hope that he's lying...because only a psychopath would be so callous as to forget something so obviously traumatizing that so many of his classmates remember it so clearly. The psychopath thing isn't a personal invention, by the way. Just Google "Romney" and "psychopath" and "bully."

The more I learn about this guy, the more I find him genuinely disturbing.


Do you know about him taking uniforms from his dad's Governor's mansion and dressing up as a State Troopers to pull pranks on people? Mostly harassing young couples on dates. That is some crazy shiat right there that is completely consistent with psychopathic behavior.
 
2012-09-26 10:32:55 AM
"My wife just had a near death experience on a plane, it's time to work in some new material!" Makes sense, he's trotting her out despite her life threatening illness.

If they want to spin that as a joke, who cares. There will be more tomorrow and the next day. Not that Obama needs them.
 
2012-09-26 10:33:14 AM

WTF Indeed: Is it Romney's inability to deliver a joke or the presses inability to write stories about important topics?


How about Romney's inability to make any sense ever.
 
2012-09-26 10:34:27 AM

Mugato: "My wife just had a near death experience on a plane, it's time to work in some new material!"


"Take my wife... plane."
 
2012-09-26 10:34:28 AM

mrshowrules: Do you know about him taking uniforms from his dad's Governor's mansion and dressing up as a State Troopers to pull pranks on people? Mostly harassing young couples on dates. That is some crazy shiat right there that is completely consistent with psychopathic behavior.


And don't forget organizing a gang to take care of that kid in high school because he was "different."
 
2012-09-26 10:36:02 AM

WTF Indeed: Is it Romney's inability to deliver a joke or the presses inability to write stories about important topics?


Maybe if Romney had some specifics on important topics, they'd have something better to write about.
 
2012-09-26 10:38:23 AM

Diogenes: Maybe if Romney had some specifics on important topics, they'd have something better to write about.


They are reporters. Part of the whole "being a good reporter" thing is that one has to know the difference between news and fluff.
 
2012-09-26 10:41:09 AM

eraser8: I mean, who the hell jokes about his wife's plane being forced into an emergency landing because of a smoke-filled cabin?


Lots of people in politics and journalism have a really dark sense of humor. And then there's the old-money stiff-upper-lip phenomenon - yes, your spouse may have just escaped having their leg chewed off by a lion and she may be totally freaked out herself, but it would be bad form to sound any more distressed than "I say, Mortimer - that cat was feeling a bit peckish, wasn't he?"

Either that or his handlers are spurring Romney to find his inner Calvin Coolidge.

WTF Indeed: Is it Romney's inability to deliver a joke or the presses inability to write stories about important topics?


Both.

vpb: It was New York magazine, not the NYT.


The Los Angeles Times story that relayed Romney's airplane remark to the world was based off a pool report written by the New York Times's Ashley Parker. When we asked Parker this morning whether it seemed as if Romney made the mark in jest, she left no doubt. "Romney was joking," she e-mailed.


Reading comprehension. Now you has it.
 
2012-09-26 10:42:00 AM
Fire. Hypoxia. Bad.
 
2012-09-26 10:44:44 AM
Campaign. Tanking. Hard.
 
2012-09-26 10:45:17 AM
The perception that republicans are anti-science cavemen is strong enough that it is perfectly reasonable to believe he wasn't joking. Not sure that is the fault of the liberal media conspiracy...
 
2012-09-26 10:45:18 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Mugato: "My wife just had a near death experience on a plane, it's time to work in some new material!"

"Take my wife... plane."


"So I says to the doctor I says, 'what about my wife?' the doctor says, 'she has Multiple sclerosis, it's very sensitive to stress, you'd better not expose her to any stressful situations like public appearances, you should take care of her, she's your wife'. So I says, 'do you have a second opinion?' and the doctor says, 'yeah. she's also about to die in a plane crash!' ...So I finally got to use that joke!"
 
2012-09-26 10:48:13 AM
Whether he was joking or not, don't fret. There will be plenty of material to mine from his first debate, which is next week.
 
2012-09-26 10:48:56 AM
I thought they'd moved on to the emergency room health care story.
 
2012-09-26 10:49:17 AM
Jokes can be effective for campaign speeches but those farkers have to be thoroughly vetted and practiced. If you're a Bill Clinton-level speaker, maybe you can get away with a joke on the fly. But this is professional politics and biatching about media reaction isn't going to change that.
 
2012-09-26 10:50:15 AM
What part of that was delivered as a joke or was funny in any universe? Well, that isn't quite true, it was funny, but it was funny in a 'laugh at the retard' way not a 'I'm telling a joke' way. Even Dennis Miller tells funnier jokes today than that.
 
2012-09-26 10:51:09 AM
Romney said. "When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no - and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem...I don't know how the rest goes but basically Ann's mom is a whore"
 
2012-09-26 10:51:24 AM

GAT_00: Even Dennis Miller tells funnier jokes today than that.


Hey now, let's not say things we can't take back.
 
2012-09-26 10:55:12 AM
"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no - and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem,"

It could have passed for a joke until the 'its a real problem' part. Why would he make a joke and then add "I'm not joking, it's a real problem" on to the end of it?

Also, he wants to add oxygen to a fire. Truly, he has a dizzying intellect.
 
2012-09-26 10:57:01 AM

Gulper Eel: eraser8: I mean, who the hell jokes about his wife's plane being forced into an emergency landing because of a smoke-filled cabin?

Lots of people in politics and journalism have a really dark sense of humor. And then there's the old-money stiff-upper-lip phenomenon - yes, your spouse may have just escaped having their leg chewed off by a lion and she may be totally freaked out herself, but it would be bad form to sound any more distressed than "I say, Mortimer - that cat was feeling a bit peckish, wasn't he?"


Dark or self-deprecating humour is still, you know, humour. If you have to email the campaign to find out if it was a joke, it's not funny.
 
2012-09-26 11:02:24 AM
He's an idiot but I'll let this one go. If he was joking, he was joking, no biggie.
 
2012-09-26 11:03:03 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Mugato: "My wife just had a near death experience on a plane, it's time to work in some new material!"

"Take my wife... plane."


For example, my wife. Please.
 
2012-09-26 11:03:38 AM
I implore you.
 
2012-09-26 11:07:20 AM
No one's going to hound him on this, despite what the Republican Persecution Brigade will have you believe. The fact is that this is very low on the gaff scale (which tells you a bit about Romney's Gaffe Scale"). So what if it shows that he has no speaking skills to speak of. Or that he has little regard for his wife. Those aren't qualities that one really needs as President while in a war with Iran.
 
2012-09-26 11:07:59 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Dark or self-deprecating humour is still, you know, humour. If you have to email the campaign to find out if it was a joke, it's not funny.


It sucks that campaigns have to be about who's the better "and here's Chet with the sports and weather" candidate.

I was sort of looking forward to Mitt running an eye-meltingly dull campaign, but he screwed that up too.
 
2012-09-26 11:13:04 AM

Coco LaFemme: Whether he was joking or not, don't fret. There will be plenty of material to mine from his first debate, which is next week.


That was a joke also. The Libyan statement was a piece of "living art" inspired by A.E. Gallatin. The whole thing with the speech at a fund raiser was actually an audition for a part he is expecting to get in upcoming Spielberg movie.
 
2012-09-26 11:14:25 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I thought they'd moved on to the emergency room health care story.


That was a joke also. The Libyan statement was a piece of "living art" inspired by A.E. Gallatin. The whole thing with the speech at a fund raiser was actually an audition for a part he is expecting to get in upcoming Spielberg movie.

/this was the post I meant to respond to. Disregard the other one.
 
2012-09-26 11:14:38 AM
All you need to know about the enthusiasm gap between Palin in '08 and Romney in '12 is that his fans didn't rush to Wikipedia to edit the entry on airplanes to include the line "aerospace engineers agree that a superior subsonic airliner design would include window cranks at every seat...for safety."
 
2012-09-26 11:17:34 AM

mrshowrules: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I thought they'd moved on to the emergency room health care story.

That was a joke also. The Libyan statement was a piece of "living art" inspired by A.E. Gallatin. The whole thing with the speech at a fund raiser was actually an audition for a part he is expecting to get in upcoming Spielberg movie.

/this was the post I meant to respond to. Disregard the other one.


It doesn't mean which message you meant to post, what the fark are you talking about?
 
2012-09-26 11:27:41 AM
HE WAS JOKING ABOUT THE HORROR HIS WIFE WENT THROUGH WHAT KIND OF MAN DOES THAT
 
2012-09-26 11:29:12 AM

mrshowrules: eraser8: I'll just repost what I wrote in an earlier redlit thread:

Honestly, I almost hope Romney was being serious and didn't know why airliners don't have windows operable at altitude. Otherwise, he comes across as really, really creepy.

I mean, who the hell jokes about his wife's plane being forced into an emergency landing because of a smoke-filled cabin?

This reminds me a bit of Romney's claim that he couldn't recall his prep school "prank" of holding a kid down and cutting off his hair. You almost hope that he's lying...because only a psychopath would be so callous as to forget something so obviously traumatizing that so many of his classmates remember it so clearly. The psychopath thing isn't a personal invention, by the way. Just Google "Romney" and "psychopath" and "bully."

The more I learn about this guy, the more I find him genuinely disturbing.

Do you know about him taking uniforms from his dad's Governor's mansion and dressing up as a State Troopers to pull pranks on people? Mostly harassing young couples on dates. That is some crazy shiat right there that is completely consistent with psychopathic behavior.


There's so much weirdness in his background it' tough to keep track of it all.
 
2012-09-26 11:32:57 AM

vpb: It was New York magazine, not the NYT.


And the author quoted The Blaze.

Seriously. The Blaze.

This article is null and void.
 
2012-09-26 11:33:10 AM

Mugato: mrshowrules: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I thought they'd moved on to the emergency room health care story.

That was a joke also. The Libyan statement was a piece of "living art" inspired by A.E. Gallatin. The whole thing with the speech at a fund raiser was actually an audition for a part he is expecting to get in upcoming Spielberg movie.

/this was the post I meant to respond to. Disregard the other one.

It doesn't mean which message you meant to post, what the fark are you talking about?


I meant to respond to Nina_Hartley's_Ass's post not to CoCo Lafemme post (which I did by accident)
 
2012-09-26 11:36:14 AM

Gulper Eel: God Is My Co-Pirate: Dark or self-deprecating humour is still, you know, humour. If you have to email the campaign to find out if it was a joke, it's not funny.

It sucks that campaigns have to be about who's the better "and here's Chet with the sports and weather" candidate.

I was sort of looking forward to Mitt running an eye-meltingly dull campaign, but he screwed that up too.


Yeah. He shouldn't have to be a natural comedian or your best friend, and god knows nobody can be "on" for every second of the 18-month campaign season, but he does have to be a clear communicator and reasonably human.
 
2012-09-26 11:48:02 AM
Planes should come with tie-downs on the roof for pet carriers, too
 
2012-09-26 11:57:04 AM
What does it say about a man who can deliver a "joke," and the world at large believes it because it is so stupid that it sounds like something he would say?
 
2012-09-26 12:09:09 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: What does it say about a man who can deliver a "joke," and the world at large believes it because it is so stupid that it sounds like something he would say?


It says that the man is very unlikable.
 
2012-09-26 12:24:42 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Gulper Eel: God Is My Co-Pirate: Dark or self-deprecating humour is still, you know, humour. If you have to email the campaign to find out if it was a joke, it's not funny.

It sucks that campaigns have to be about who's the better "and here's Chet with the sports and weather" candidate.

I was sort of looking forward to Mitt running an eye-meltingly dull campaign, but he screwed that up too.

Yeah. He shouldn't have to be a natural comedian or your best friend, and god knows nobody can be "on" for every second of the 18-month campaign season, but he does have to be a clear communicator and reasonably human.


It's the difference between Mr Romney's campaign trying to make hay out of President Obama's "bump in the road" comment vs. the fact that every day most of the country is laughing at your candidate courtesy of the most recent unforced error that's being featured on the Tonight Show.
 
2012-09-26 12:35:52 PM
Suuuure he was...
 
2012-09-26 12:37:47 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Yeah. He shouldn't have to be a natural comedian or your best friend, and god knows nobody can be "on" for every second of the 18-month campaign season, but he does have to be a clear communicator and reasonably human.


I think he can be when speaking honestly. He was downright eloquent in that 47% speech when he didn't know he was on video. His problem is that if he speaks honestly, he'll alienate the poors who vote (R) because of jesus.
 
2012-09-26 12:49:00 PM
 
2012-09-26 01:19:47 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: "Take my wife... plane."


I laughed way too hard at that.
 
2012-09-26 01:33:58 PM

GAT_00: Even Dennis Miller tells funnier jokes today than that.


Citation needed.
 
2012-09-26 01:39:39 PM

Diogenes: I can accept it was intended as a joke. But I also know Romney is incapable of delivering one. You want to blame the audience for a bad comedian?



Meh.  He's not running for Official National Comedian.
 
2012-09-26 01:52:33 PM
Well, that's a reasonable explanation. Remove that from Romney's gaffe list. So, let's take a look at that revised list and see... HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!
 
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