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2012-09-26 12:14:20 PM
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2012-09-26 01:01:39 PM
Ah, yes, both sides are out of context:

President Barack Obama's "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that" comment at a July campaign event was excerpted, slapped on the Internet and flipped into the Republican rallying cry "We Built It."

Obama was actually suggesting many businesses and other enterprises have benefited from government infrastructure.


True.

Mitt Romney's "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what" remark at a secretly recorded fundraiser in May became 'Romney only cares about half of the country' and was used as fodder for an Obama campaign ad.

What about the part where Mitt said "It's not my job to worry about those people?"
 
2012-09-26 01:03:32 PM
Mitt Romney's "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what" remark at a secretly recorded fundraiser in May became 'Romney only cares about half of the country' and was used as fodder for an Obama campaign ad.

oh yeah both sides are totally the same and really bad and furthermore

And-- and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives.

wait I mean go fark yourselves CNN
 
2012-09-26 01:04:37 PM
a.abcnews.com

"out of context", right The Liberal Media?
 
2012-09-26 01:06:13 PM
Finally a fair and balanced headline.

down with douchebag, vote Shiat Sandwich
 
2012-09-26 01:06:51 PM
CNN, the retarded kid brother of cable news.
 
2012-09-26 01:07:34 PM
Personally, I'm too busy trying to fight off Obama's cuts to Medicare to get worked up about campaign commercials.
 
2012-09-26 01:07:42 PM

Jackson Herring: Mitt Romney's "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what" remark at a secretly recorded fundraiser in May became 'Romney only cares about half of the country' and was used as fodder for an Obama campaign ad.

oh yeah both sides are totally the same and really bad and furthermore

And-- and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives.

wait I mean go fark yourselves CNN


It really is pathetic. Out of context for Obama = The missing parts literally change the meaning of what he was saying. Out of context for Romney = They didn't quote the entire fundraiser so it's invalid even though there's not context to be added
 
2012-09-26 01:10:18 PM

Cletus C.: Personally, I'm too busy trying to fight off Obama's cuts to Medicare to get worked up about campaign commercials.


You poor hospital administrator, losing your God given right to overcharge the government for services.
 
2012-09-26 01:11:50 PM

Imperialism: What about the part where Mitt said "It's not my job to worry about those people?"


In defense of Romney, I thought it was pretty clear from the sentences following the 'not worry about those people' line that he wasn't going to worry about getting their vote instead meaning he wasn't going to worry if they starve to death in the streets. I think Romney got (is getting) what he deserved from his quote being taken out of context though. He started the stupid 'take something out of context' war so it is fitting he was hoisted on his own petard.
 
2012-09-26 01:12:24 PM

Muta: In defense of Romney, I thought it was pretty clear from the sentences following the 'not worry about those people' line that he wasn't going to worry about getting their vote instead meaning he wasn't going to worry if they starve to death in the streets.


I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives.
 
2012-09-26 01:12:38 PM
Obama broke into my house and stole my beer & bacon stash.
 
2012-09-26 01:14:49 PM
Lying is OK when $FAVORED_CANDIDATE does it.
 
2012-09-26 01:15:22 PM
Both sides are bad.

But one thing the last 15 years has taught me is that Republicans are so much worse.
 
2012-09-26 01:15:26 PM

Legroom: CNN, the retarded kid brother of cable news.


CNN has become the worst example of spineless journalism in politics. Equivalency is not the same thing as objectivity.
 
2012-09-26 01:19:03 PM

Jackson Herring: Muta: In defense of Romney, I thought it was pretty clear from the sentences following the 'not worry about those people' line that he wasn't going to worry about getting their vote instead meaning he wasn't going to worry if they starve to death in the streets.

I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives.


I was responding to 'Imperialism' who specificly mentioned the 'not worry about those people' line.
 
2012-09-26 01:19:47 PM

CygnusDarius: Obama broke into my house and stole my beer & bacon stash.


Actually, that was me. Sorry.
 
2012-09-26 01:22:22 PM

Muta: Jackson Herring: Muta: In defense of Romney, I thought it was pretty clear from the sentences following the 'not worry about those people' line that he wasn't going to worry about getting their vote instead meaning he wasn't going to worry if they starve to death in the streets.

I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives.

I was responding to 'Imperialism' who specificly mentioned the 'not worry about those people' line.


Well the quote Jackson Herring posted still applies. In fact, adding context just supports the original quote. Which is not out of context. Which is my point.
 
2012-09-26 01:22:47 PM
 
2012-09-26 01:24:48 PM

Muta: I was responding to 'Imperialism' who specificly mentioned the 'not worry about those people' line.


It's the next line of the speech. He doesn't have to worry about those people. They will never take responsibility for themselves.
 
2012-09-26 01:28:22 PM

Imperialism: Muta: Jackson Herring: Muta: In defense of Romney, I thought it was pretty clear from the sentences following the 'not worry about those people' line that he wasn't going to worry about getting their vote instead meaning he wasn't going to worry if they starve to death in the streets.

I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives.

I was responding to 'Imperialism' who specificly mentioned the 'not worry about those people' line.

Well the quote Jackson Herring posted still applies. In fact, adding context just supports the original quote. Which is not out of context. Which is my point.


Because clearly "taking responsibility for their lives" translates perfectly into "I'm only thinking about this in terms of votes not in terms of anything else" in Bizarro World.
 
2012-09-26 01:28:29 PM
What about the "Obama took eleventy-billion dollars out of Medicare to fund Obamacare" lie? What he did was cut some waste that wasn't benefiting anyone, and use that money to fill the ridiculously-named and ridiculously-conceived "donut hole" in order to provide seniors with more affordable prescriptions. Truly, he is history's greatest monster.

One day, Republicans will rue the day that they labeled the ACA as "Obamacare". When the majority of Americans start seeing the actual benefits of ACA, the Republicans will claim that it was actually a conservative idea. (Which is actually TRUE, but that pooch will have already been screwed.)
 
2012-09-26 01:31:08 PM
Republicans: PATRIOT
Democrats: NDAA


Fark'em both.
 
2012-09-26 01:35:05 PM
Let's see-marginalizing 47% of Americans; calling Israel one of our closest allies. Tough call.
 
2012-09-26 01:36:27 PM

Imperialism: Mitt Romney's "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what" remark at a secretly recorded fundraiser in May became 'Romney only cares about half of the country' and was used as fodder for an Obama campaign ad.

What about the part where Mitt said "It's not my job to worry about those people?"


Well, he only doesn't worry about 47% of the populace. Twisting it to 50% is a blatant, unrepentant lie that could very well undermine the Romney campaign.

imontheinternet: CNN has become the worst example of spineless journalism in politics. Equivalency is not the same thing as objectivity.


Heated posting here, but we're going to have to move on. Britney Spears is wearing yellow during the next round of X-Factor judging. Will it clash or compliment her hair?
 
2012-09-26 01:41:47 PM
I don't click CNN links. The reasons are very different from why I don't click WND or American Drinker links. But I don't click them. Sadly, I'm not being sarcastic when I say that you can get more actual news from USA Today than CNN.
 
2012-09-26 01:48:45 PM
President Barack Obama's "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that" comment at a July campaign event was excerpted, slapped on the Internet and flipped into the Republican rallying cry "We Built It."Obama was actually suggesting many businesses and other enterprises have benefited from government infrastructure.

"All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
- Verbatim Mitt Romney.

These are not comparable. Romney took a quote out of context and changed the entire meaning to use against Obama. Obama used Romney's message that even Romeny has validated.
 
2012-09-26 01:54:15 PM

Citrate1007: These are not comparable. Romney took a quote out of context and changed the entire meaning to use against Obama. Obama used Romney's message that even Romeny has validated.


Someone said it in another thread - Conservatives think that the word "context" is a magical totem that absolves their candidate of wrongdoing. It's a farking cargo cult.
 
2012-09-26 02:02:33 PM

Citrate1007: President Barack Obama's "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that" comment at a July campaign event was excerpted, slapped on the Internet and flipped into the Republican rallying cry "We Built It."Obama was actually suggesting many businesses and other enterprises have benefited from government infrastructure.

"All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." - Verbatim Mitt Romney.

These are not comparable. Romney took a quote out of context and changed the entire meaning to use against Obama. Obama used Romney's message that even Romeny has validated.


Wow, that's a lot of butt hurt. If you take the full quote it looks even worse for Obama:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Because entitlements and public goods are the same thing! My poli-lie professor told me so! 

Al Gore invented the internet! and it's impossible for parents to teach their children!

Actually, Obama's gaff is worse because it's a falsehood. While it sucks for Romney that it got out in the open, he's absolutely right.
 
2012-09-26 02:02:39 PM

Jackson Herring: Citrate1007: These are not comparable. Romney took a quote out of context and changed the entire meaning to use against Obama. Obama used Romney's message that even Romeny has validated.

Someone said it in another thread - Conservatives think that the word "context" is a magical totem that absolves their candidate of wrongdoing. It's a farking cargo cult.


No I think it has more to do with the fact that many beliefs that the Republican's currently hold are paradoxical if they are provided with context (facts, reality, etc.)
 
2012-09-26 02:08:08 PM

beta_plus: Citrate1007: President Barack Obama's "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that" comment at a July campaign event was excerpted, slapped on the Internet and flipped into the Republican rallying cry "We Built It."Obama was actually suggesting many businesses and other enterprises have benefited from government infrastructure.

"All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." - Verbatim Mitt Romney.

These are not comparable. Romney took a quote out of context and changed the entire meaning to use against Obama. Obama used Romney's message that even Romeny has validated.

Wow, that's a lot of butt hurt. If you take the full quote it looks even worse for Obama:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Because entitlements and public goods are the same thing! My poli-lie professor told me so! 

Al Gore invented the internet! and it's impossible for parents to teach their children!

Actually, Obama's gaff is worse because it's a falsehood. While it sucks for Romney that it got out in ...


Were you home schooled because that would explain a lot; otherwise I fail to see the falsehood. The internet and other public infrastructure is exactly what Obama was referring to in addition to social capital.

The problem is that conservatives are really good at creating negative connotations for things and their believers don't even realize they are being mind-farked into Orwellian doublethink. I'm referring to your astounding ability to separate "public goods" from "entitlements".
 
2012-09-26 02:13:47 PM

Jackson Herring: Citrate1007: These are not comparable. Romney took a quote out of context and changed the entire meaning to use against Obama. Obama used Romney's message that even Romeny has validated.

Someone said it in another thread - Conservatives think that the word "context" is a magical totem that absolves their candidate of wrongdoing. It's a farking cargo cult.


This.

They seem to have created a new definition of "context" which means: Because you didn't quote my 14-hour speech in its entirety, I didn't really say what you say I said, and therefore you are wrong and I am right.
 
2012-09-26 03:07:59 PM

scarmig: Republicans: PATRIOT
Democrats: NDAA


Fark'em both.


Both sides are bad, so.... I don't know where you're going with this, but EVERYbody who pays attention to politics currently has a bad taste in their mouths about a few things that they don't care for. That feeling is not new to American politics, nor is it going to change in the near future. We go out and we vote for, if not the "least-worst", the person who aligns most closely with our own view How Things Ought To Be. It's not a perfect system, nor is it even the best available system (in my meaningless opinion), but it's what we have. Sour soup, as my granny used to say. "Eat it or go hungry."
 
2012-09-26 03:17:52 PM
Democrats dislike you because you hate. Republicans dislike you because you don't hate.
 
2012-09-26 03:37:32 PM

beta_plus: Actually, Obama's gaff is worse because it's a falsehood.


No it isn't. The GOP even admits it.

President Barack Obama's "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that" comment at a July campaign event was excerpted, slapped on the Internet and flipped into the Republican rallying cry "We Built It."

The Republican response is "WE built it." WE. Not I built it, WE built it. That was Obama's entire point. You didn't build that alone, WE built it.
 
2012-09-26 03:37:49 PM

cubic_spleen: Democrats dislike you because you hate other things. Republicans dislike you because you don't hate the same things.


/check and mate 
//just goofin
 
2012-09-26 03:38:15 PM

cubic_spleen: Democrats dislike you because you hate. Republicans dislike you because you don't hate.


It's ok to hate if you invoke Jesus's name.
 
2012-09-26 03:41:14 PM

Craptastic: What about the "Obama took eleventy-billion dollars out of Medicare to fund Obamacare" lie? What he did was cut some waste that wasn't benefiting anyone, and use that money to fill the ridiculously-named and ridiculously-conceived "donut hole" in order to provide seniors with more affordable prescriptions. Truly, he is history's greatest monster.


The most glaring one was:

Obama: Can you believe what John McCain said? McCain said "if we talk about the economy we are going to lose" What a douche lol.
Romney Ad: Holy shiat did you just hear what Obama said? He said "if we talk about the economy we are going to lose" What a douche lol!

Link

But CNN is right, both sides are equally bad. There are definitely examples of Obama doing this.
 
2012-09-26 04:55:07 PM

Rich Cream: cubic_spleen: Democrats dislike you because you hate other things. Republicans dislike you because you don't hate the same things.

/check and mate 
//just goofin


His was good. Yours was better.
 
2012-09-26 05:16:46 PM

Craptastic: scarmig: Republicans: PATRIOT
Democrats: NDAA


Fark'em both.

Both sides are bad, so.... I don't know where you're going with this, but EVERYbody who pays attention to politics currently has a bad taste in their mouths about a few things that they don't care for. That feeling is not new to American politics, nor is it going to change in the near future. We go out and we vote for, if not the "least-worst", the person who aligns most closely with our own view How Things Ought To Be. It's not a perfect system, nor is it even the best available system (in my meaningless opinion), but it's what we have. Sour soup, as my granny used to say. "Eat it or go hungry."



No. I reject foundation I should cast a vote for evil because evil is the only one up for the vote.

My conscience will not settle for the things these parties want to do to people on this planet.

I refuse to support them in this small, meaningless way. I do not see either one as a lesser evil, nor more aligned with my views, which is to suggest that we are all simply disputing what evils to do to each other.
 
2012-09-26 05:57:24 PM

Imperialism: Mitt Romney's "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what" remark at a secretly recorded fundraiser in May became 'Romney only cares about half of the country' and was used as fodder for an Obama campaign ad.

What about the part where Mitt said "It's not my job to worry about those people?"


And the "take personal responsibility" part, which shows a rather cynical view of millions of people, a lot of whom vote Republican.

The media's been pretty good at burying the lede. Take the Todd Akins thing -- the newsworthy thing is not the fact that he said "legitimate rape", but the fact that he has a medieval idea of how a woman's body actually works.
 
2012-09-26 08:41:44 PM

scarmig: Craptastic: scarmig: Republicans: PATRIOT
Democrats: NDAA


Fark'em both.

Both sides are bad, so.... I don't know where you're going with this, but EVERYbody who pays attention to politics currently has a bad taste in their mouths about a few things that they don't care for. That feeling is not new to American politics, nor is it going to change in the near future. We go out and we vote for, if not the "least-worst", the person who aligns most closely with our own view How Things Ought To Be. It's not a perfect system, nor is it even the best available system (in my meaningless opinion), but it's what we have. Sour soup, as my granny used to say. "Eat it or go hungry."


No. I reject foundation I should cast a vote for evil because evil is the only one up for the vote.

My conscience will not settle for the things these parties want to do to people on this planet.

I refuse to support them in this small, meaningless way. I do not see either one as a lesser evil, nor more aligned with my views, which is to suggest that we are all simply disputing what evils to do to each other.


It's nice that your conscience can't settle. However, does your conscience then allow you to biatch and moan for the next four years about how the "other guy" was bad when you did NOTHING to prevent it? Even so much as voting 3d party?
 
2012-09-26 10:43:00 PM
Count me in the (R) group who isn't going to bother voting for the first time in his life. Seriously, the current crop of Republicans are mind-boggling obtuse, and much of the Democrat policies I severely dislike.

Where the fark is the center? Where are the proposals for reasonable taxes, reasonable levels of regulations, reasonable funding for important things like infrastructure, education & scientific research. These are foundational issues that will make or break our ability to produce goods and services, which keeps us afloat and strong as a nation. Why the (R)'s and (D)'s can't get their heads out of their asses and figure this out I don't know, aside from being essentially bought by various special interests/corporations. Our leaders WON'T see the forest for the trees.

We're farked no matter who is in office at this point.
 
2012-09-27 07:43:52 AM
Ultimately, its doesn't matter. A quick scan of each canidate's donor list will show you that they work for mostly the same people.

What strikes me as funny is the Real Americans aren't even the least but intrested in finding out how much soft money is coming from foreign interests. I bet they would be astonished to see how much money the Saudis (Moose-Lambs!) contribute to our electorial process.
 
2012-09-27 07:44:55 AM

nmemkha: I bet they would be astonished to see how much money the Saudis (Moose-Lambs!) contribute to our electorial process.


And, to be fair, pro-Israel organizations.
 
2012-09-27 10:40:22 AM

Rich Cream: cubic_spleen: Democrats dislike you because you hate other things. Republicans dislike you because you don't hate the same things.

/check and mate 
//just goofin


Heh. Actually, that's better!

/original quote came from this article.
 
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