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2012-09-26 03:43:02 AM
He's in the CTA and this happened in the Bay Area. He'll keep his job.
 
2012-09-26 01:17:12 PM
Sounds like a great principal.

Too bad he's a rotten human being.
 
2012-09-26 01:19:20 PM
LOL! Africans!
 
2012-09-26 01:19:40 PM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-26 01:21:32 PM

priapic_abandon: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 670x480]


Bawmp-bawmp, Chicka-chickha
 
2012-09-26 01:23:20 PM
Doing meth seems to make guys kind of gay.
 
2012-09-26 01:23:21 PM
Great. Just great. That's the last time I loan out my teddy bear camera.
 
2012-09-26 01:24:31 PM
Lewis was arrested Thursday at a Caltrain station in San Francisco, where he had arranged to pick up an undercover agent he "met" through a gay dating website

So do the cops just set up a bunch of accounts at gay sites and hope the people who try to "meet" them happen to be drug dealers?
 
2012-09-26 01:26:20 PM

you are a puppet: So do the cops just set up a bunch of accounts at gay sites and hope the people who try to "meet" them happen to be drug dealers?


No. They do it for the gay sex. Drug dealers are just an added bonus.
 
2012-09-26 01:27:35 PM
media.liveauctiongroup.net
 
2012-09-26 01:28:40 PM
Opening up a new avenue of investigation, authorities have found something even more disturbing in the home of a Santa Clara elementary school principal than methamphetamine and a date-rape drug -- 10 hidden cameras, including one tucked inside a Teddy bear.

Yeah, hidden cameras in someone's home is way more disturbing than manufacturing meth and roofies. Everyone with a teddy bear cam should be locked up for life. Possibly executed.
 
2012-09-26 01:29:10 PM
Amateur! 

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-26 01:29:40 PM

Lone Stranger: Doing meth seems to make guys kind of gay.


NTTIAWWT
 
2012-09-26 01:33:02 PM

Anderson's Pooper: you are a puppet: So do the cops just set up a bunch of accounts at gay sites and hope the people who try to "meet" them happen to be drug dealers?

No. They do it for the gay sex. Drug dealers are just an added bonus.


southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

You're under arrest!
 
2012-09-26 01:43:33 PM
I dunno. The guy sounds sketchy as hell, and he's obviously a criminal - fine However, I think the police overstepped their boundaries here, and this story is blown out of proportion.

What was he being nailed on? Originally, solicitation charges plus drugs. These are misdemeanors (1/4 oz of meth = misdemeanor, obviously personal use size only, prostitution also a misdemeanor). Then what happens? Police search his entire apartment and find a closet of not-in-use video cameras. Never mind that they're 'spy' cams. They have nothing to do with prostitution or drugs, but someone has a feeling about it, so into the santa bag they go.

Then they confiscate 3 computers, and 'numerous hard drives' - because those two things are never together - just in case they appear to have been used for the video cameras they found, that - let me point out - are not illegal to own and do not appear to be part of a crime as far as anyone can tell. They also mention that they went through his cell phone, gotta assume they took that too.

What's next? Is his TV any good? He got any tablets? Anything good in the fridge? They found car keys on his person, and since you can't tell just by looking if it's a stolen key or not! Maybe it's got an outstanding parking ticket! They better confiscate all the cars in the parking lot. You know, until they sort it all out.

I'm pretty pro-cop, but I'm way more pro-personal freedoms. I'm fairly sure the police aren't allowed to just take personal property without legal reason by just saying, "I've got a feeling there might be some crime on this thing, especially here around the edges," - even when they've got the guy on drug and prostitution charges already.
 
2012-09-26 01:45:33 PM
cameras hidden in a cigarette lighter and a coat hanger....

Ok, you stumped me with the coathanger cam.

Oh, it looks like this...
3.bp.blogspot.com

Not like this...
www.tfw2005.com 
Learn something new every day...
 
2012-09-26 01:45:46 PM
Opening up a new avenue of investigation, authorities have found something even more disturbing in the home of a Santa Clara elementary school principal than methamphetamine and a date-rape drug -- 10 hidden cameras, including one tucked inside a Teddy bear.

A multiagency task force discovered the hidden cameras during a search of Montague Elementary Principal Eric Dean Lewis' San Francisco apartment


Commuted from SF to Santa Clara every day, of course he did meth!
 
2012-09-26 01:46:25 PM

quietwalker: I dunno. The guy sounds sketchy as hell, and he's obviously a criminal - fine However, I think the police overstepped their boundaries here, and this story is blown out of proportion.

What was he being nailed on? Originally, solicitation charges plus drugs. These are misdemeanors (1/4 oz of meth = misdemeanor, obviously personal use size only, prostitution also a misdemeanor). Then what happens? Police search his entire apartment and find a closet of not-in-use video cameras. Never mind that they're 'spy' cams. They have nothing to do with prostitution or drugs, but someone has a feeling about it, so into the santa bag they go.

Then they confiscate 3 computers, and 'numerous hard drives' - because those two things are never together - just in case they appear to have been used for the video cameras they found, that - let me point out - are not illegal to own and do not appear to be part of a crime as far as anyone can tell. They also mention that they went through his cell phone, gotta assume they took that too.

What's next? Is his TV any good? He got any tablets? Anything good in the fridge? They found car keys on his person, and since you can't tell just by looking if it's a stolen key or not! Maybe it's got an outstanding parking ticket! They better confiscate all the cars in the parking lot. You know, until they sort it all out.

I'm pretty pro-cop, but I'm way more pro-personal freedoms. I'm fairly sure the police aren't allowed to just take personal property without legal reason by just saying, "I've got a feeling there might be some crime on this thing, especially here around the edges," - even when they've got the guy on drug and prostitution charges already.


Yep t the warrant would have to state specifically what they are searching for. This seems like illegal search and seizure to me. The cameras would have nothing to do with the drugs or solicitation.
 
2012-09-26 01:47:11 PM
The hardest part about bringing ladies to the apartment, drugging them, and filming the sex? Having to explain why you have a teddy bear on the couch.
 
2012-09-26 01:47:31 PM

quietwalker: I dunno. The guy sounds sketchy as hell, and he's obviously a criminal - fine However, I think the police overstepped their boundaries here, and this story is blown out of proportion.

What was he being nailed on? Originally, solicitation charges plus drugs. These are misdemeanors (1/4 oz of meth = misdemeanor, obviously personal use size only, prostitution also a misdemeanor). Then what happens? Police search his entire apartment and find a closet of not-in-use video cameras. Never mind that they're 'spy' cams. They have nothing to do with prostitution or drugs, but someone has a feeling about it, so into the santa bag they go.

Then they confiscate 3 computers, and 'numerous hard drives' - because those two things are never together - just in case they appear to have been used for the video cameras they found, that - let me point out - are not illegal to own and do not appear to be part of a crime as far as anyone can tell. They also mention that they went through his cell phone, gotta assume they took that too.

What's next? Is his TV any good? He got any tablets? Anything good in the fridge? They found car keys on his person, and since you can't tell just by looking if it's a stolen key or not! Maybe it's got an outstanding parking ticket! They better confiscate all the cars in the parking lot. You know, until they sort it all out.

I'm pretty pro-cop, but I'm way more pro-personal freedoms. I'm fairly sure the police aren't allowed to just take personal property without legal reason by just saying, "I've got a feeling there might be some crime on this thing, especially here around the edges," - even when they've got the guy on drug and prostitution charges already.


You know, Splat never thought of it that way... thanks personal-freedom guy!
 
2012-09-26 01:49:44 PM

Snarfangel: Lone Stranger: Doing meth seems to make guys kind of gay.

NTTIAWWT


Actually I'd say there's a helluva lot wrong with that.
 
2012-09-26 01:51:50 PM

quietwalker: I dunno. The guy sounds sketchy as hell, and he's obviously a criminal - fine However, I think the police overstepped their boundaries here, and this story is blown out of proportion.

What was he being nailed on? Originally, solicitation charges plus drugs. These are misdemeanors (1/4 oz of meth = misdemeanor, obviously personal use size only, prostitution also a misdemeanor). Then what happens? Police search his entire apartment and find a closet of not-in-use video cameras. Never mind that they're 'spy' cams. They have nothing to do with prostitution or drugs, but someone has a feeling about it, so into the santa bag they go.

Then they confiscate 3 computers, and 'numerous hard drives' - because those two things are never together - just in case they appear to have been used for the video cameras they found, that - let me point out - are not illegal to own and do not appear to be part of a crime as far as anyone can tell. They also mention that they went through his cell phone, gotta assume they took that too.

What's next? Is his TV any good? He got any tablets? Anything good in the fridge? They found car keys on his person, and since you can't tell just by looking if it's a stolen key or not! Maybe it's got an outstanding parking ticket! They better confiscate all the cars in the parking lot. You know, until they sort it all out.

I'm pretty pro-cop, but I'm way more pro-personal freedoms. I'm fairly sure the police aren't allowed to just take personal property without legal reason by just saying, "I've got a feeling there might be some crime on this thing, especially here around the edges," - even when they've got the guy on drug and prostitution charges already.


You used to be the principal of Montague Elementary School, amirite?
 
2012-09-26 01:53:44 PM

quietwalker: What was he being nailed on? Originally, solicitation charges plus drugs. These are misdemeanors (1/4 oz of meth = misdemeanor, obviously personal use size only, prostitution also a misdemeanor). Then what happens? Police search his entire apartment and find a closet of not-in-use video cameras. Never mind that they're 'spy' cams. They have nothing to do with prostitution or drugs, but someone has a feeling about it, so into the santa bag they go.

Then they confiscate 3 computers, and 'numerous hard drives' - because those two things are never together - just in case they appear to have been used for the video cameras they found, that - let me point out - are not illegal to own and do not appear to be part of a crime as far as anyone can tell. They also mention that they went through his cell phone, gotta assume they took that too.


Well, if he was doing the solicitation online, I wouldn't be surprised if the warrants included computers/HDDs so they could go through his caches and see if there were records of other instances of solicitation/drug deals. Probably the same deal with the cell phone.

The cameras though... that seems very much like a "ooooh, we might get something big here! Grab 'em," moment to me as well.
 
2012-09-26 01:54:03 PM
Why does TFA keep using the term "a date-rape drug"??
That term got applied to a number of things. If it's Rohypnol, that's on thing. If it's just GHB, that's bullshiat, bordering on libel.

A lot of people used GHB as a legitimate sleep aid and nutritional supplement. It's got "recreational" use too, where the reported effects are stimulation and euphoria.

But the capacity to be a "date-rape drug"- and GHB was the original "date-rape drug" IIRC- seems more or less busted to me. It requires an exceptionally large mass/volume for sedation, it's got a very salty taste, and causes carbonation to dump out when added. So it might work in a Bloody Mary, but how often does a Bloody Mary get offered as a "hello" drink at a club?? There's scant evidence that it was ever used for "date-rape", and it's got all the hallmarks of a media panic.
 
2012-09-26 01:54:14 PM
Here's a link to another version of the story--gives slightly different info.
Gives "Pedobear" a whole new meaning
 
2012-09-26 01:58:05 PM

quietwalker: I dunno. The guy sounds sketchy as hell, and he's obviously a criminal - fine However, I think the police overstepped their boundaries here, and this story is blown out of proportion.

What was he being nailed on? Originally, solicitation charges plus drugs. These are misdemeanors (1/4 oz of meth = misdemeanor, obviously personal use size only, prostitution also a misdemeanor). Then what happens? Police search his entire apartment and find a closet of not-in-use video cameras. Never mind that they're 'spy' cams. They have nothing to do with prostitution or drugs, but someone has a feeling about it, so into the santa bag they go.

Then they confiscate 3 computers, and 'numerous hard drives' - because those two things are never together - just in case they appear to have been used for the video cameras they found, that - let me point out - are not illegal to own and do not appear to be part of a crime as far as anyone can tell. They also mention that they went through his cell phone, gotta assume they took that too.

What's next? Is his TV any good? He got any tablets? Anything good in the fridge? They found car keys on his person, and since you can't tell just by looking if it's a stolen key or not! Maybe it's got an outstanding parking ticket! They better confiscate all the cars in the parking lot. You know, until they sort it all out.

I'm pretty pro-cop, but I'm way more pro-personal freedoms. I'm fairly sure the police aren't allowed to just take personal property without legal reason by just saying, "I've got a feeling there might be some crime on this thing, especially here around the edges," - even when they've got the guy on drug and prostitution charges already.


It's iffy.

What screwed this guy is having the camera in the teddy bear. As soon as you say "child molestation", the suspect's rights and rule of law go right out the window--people instantly go insane and things like "Did you have a search warrant for the cameras" become "OMFG! RAPE HIS ASS IN PRISON! KILL HIM BY SLOW TORTURE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW!!!"
 
2012-09-26 02:00:26 PM

Oznog: Why does TFA keep using the term "a date-rape drug"??
That term got applied to a number of things. If it's Rohypnol, that's on thing. If it's just GHB, that's bullshiat, bordering on libel.

A lot of people used GHB as a legitimate sleep aid and nutritional supplement. It's got "recreational" use too, where the reported effects are stimulation and euphoria.

But the capacity to be a "date-rape drug"- and GHB was the original "date-rape drug" IIRC- seems more or less busted to me. It requires an exceptionally large mass/volume for sedation, it's got a very salty taste, and causes carbonation to dump out when added. So it might work in a Bloody Mary, but how often does a Bloody Mary get offered as a "hello" drink at a club?? There's scant evidence that it was ever used for "date-rape", and it's got all the hallmarks of a media panic.


Splat's um 'friend' in college used to sell GHB as a recreational drug. Someone used it to spike a student-faculty punchbowl. Everyone instantly knew the punch wasn't right. So this is a long way of saying yes Splat says you're spot on.
 
2012-09-26 02:03:52 PM
So the teddy bear,coathanger,and lighter are acting weird when he's around.
He installs cams to find out who's cheating with whom.
To his dismay he discovers three way sex and high-ballin.
This drives him over the edge and he turns to drugs and gay sex.
I feel bad for the guy.He's the real victim here.
 
2012-09-26 02:04:28 PM

Oznog: Why does TFA keep using the term "a date-rape drug"??
That term got applied to a number of things. If it's Rohypnol, that's on thing. If it's just GHB, that's bullshiat, bordering on libel.

A lot of people used GHB as a legitimate sleep aid and nutritional supplement. It's got "recreational" use too, where the reported effects are stimulation and euphoria.

But the capacity to be a "date-rape drug"- and GHB was the original "date-rape drug" IIRC- seems more or less busted to me. It requires an exceptionally large mass/volume for sedation, it's got a very salty taste, and causes carbonation to dump out when added. So it might work in a Bloody Mary, but how often does a Bloody Mary get offered as a "hello" drink at a club?? There's scant evidence that it was ever used for "date-rape", and it's got all the hallmarks of a media panic.


Remind me never to go drinking with you...
 
2012-09-26 02:16:48 PM
Looks like a case of gay bias to me. The guy has lives a party-hard lifestyle when he's not at work and now the police are sleeved-out by the gay principal and are doing their best to ruin him.
 
2012-09-26 02:20:36 PM
FTFA: "The sting that led to Lewis' arrest was set up after the interagency Santa Clara County Specialized Enforcement Team received information that Lewis was involved in drugs and frequented the dating site, California Department of Justice spokeswoman Michelle Gregory said. "

Somebody ratted on him.... *reads further*

Since Lewis' arrest, Barbara Friedenbach, a veteran teacher and curriculum developer with the school district, has taken over as interim principal at Montague.

Is that so? Based on the same amount of evidence the cops had when they found the cameras, I would have to say Babs dropped a dime on the idiot to get his job. Little fiefdom politics are very harsh.... wouldn't put it past anyone stuck in a flunky admin role after 20 years. heh.

Anyway, I think this guy got reamed pretty bad (all puns aside). Never got the chance to get his act together, and was basically entrapped into being arrested. In fact, at the meeting place, he apparently didn't even have any drugs on him. So it's solicitation, yet he's charged now with five felonies for drug sales?

I feel safer having this guy off the streets now. Thank goodness old Lou was able to work that overtime.

Even though this dude was "dirty", I honestly hope he gets all this crap thrown out, and gets ordered into rehab until long after the shakes go away.
 
2012-09-26 02:25:53 PM

splat the whale: splat.


Stop trying to make "splat" work.
 
2012-09-26 02:33:49 PM

quietwalker: I dunno. The guy sounds sketchy as hell, and he's obviously a criminal - fine However, I think the police overstepped their boundaries here, and this story is blown out of proportion.

What was he being nailed on? Originally, solicitation charges plus drugs. These are misdemeanors (1/4 oz of meth = misdemeanor, obviously personal use size only, prostitution also a misdemeanor). Then what happens? Police search his entire apartment and find a closet of not-in-use video cameras. Never mind that they're 'spy' cams. They have nothing to do with prostitution or drugs, but someone has a feeling about it, so into the santa bag they go.

Then they confiscate 3 computers, and 'numerous hard drives' - because those two things are never together - just in case they appear to have been used for the video cameras they found, that - let me point out - are not illegal to own and do not appear to be part of a crime as far as anyone can tell. They also mention that they went through his cell phone, gotta assume they took that too.

What's next? Is his TV any good? He got any tablets? Anything good in the fridge? They found car keys on his person, and since you can't tell just by looking if it's a stolen key or not! Maybe it's got an outstanding parking ticket! They better confiscate all the cars in the parking lot. You know, until they sort it all out.

I'm pretty pro-cop, but I'm way more pro-personal freedoms. I'm fairly sure the police aren't allowed to just take personal property without legal reason by just saying, "I've got a feeling there might be some crime on this thing, especially here around the edges," - even when they've got the guy on drug and prostitution charges already.


Not sure if serious...

He was arrested on multiple accounts of FELONY possession - not misdemeanor. They also found ecstasy and GHB in his apartment - not just meth. He also probably used his computer to access the dating site, so it can be searched. The GHB and ecstasy often indicate some sort of sex crime. If they found a gun (legal to own, but can be used in a crime) would they be able to run ballistics on it? Since he was selling drugs, I'm going to say yes.
 
2012-09-26 02:46:00 PM
mimg.ugo.com
Maybe he just wanted to put the unmasking of Kick Ass on the internet...
 
2012-09-26 02:47:47 PM

suburbanguy: Not sure if serious...

He was arrested on multiple accounts of FELONY possession - not misdemeanor. They also found ecstasy and GHB in his apartment - not just meth. He also probably used his computer to access the dating site, so it can be searched. The GHB and ecstasy often indicate some sort of sex crime. If they found a gun (legal to own, but can be used in a crime) would they be able to run ballistics on it? Since he was selling drugs, I'm going to say yes.


Not sure if serious...
 
2012-09-26 02:51:00 PM

special20: splat the whale: splat.

Stop trying to make "splat" work.


No.

:)
 
2012-09-26 02:57:34 PM

suburbanguy: He was arrested on multiple accounts of FELONY possession - not misdemeanor. They also found ecstasy and GHB in his apartment - not just meth. He also probably used his computer to access the dating site, so it can be searched. The GHB and ecstasy often indicate some sort of sex crime. If they found a gun (legal to own, but can be used in a crime) would they be able to run ballistics on it? Since he was selling drugs, I'm going to say yes.


If it was licensed and legal, I don't see why. Arrested != convicted. Even if certain things often go hand in hand like weapons and drugs, turning every arrest into a fishing expedition for every possible charge isn't exactly what's intended by a warrant. Such a gun wouldn't be evidence in any of the crimes he was charged with anyway.

If you're doing a search, as the warrant provides, and you find something obviously illegal - ie: more drugs, child porn, illegal weapons, etc. then by all means seize it as evidence. That $20 in his wallet that "might be drug profit" you don't get to do anything with because possessing a $20 bill isn't illegal, nor is their any plain indication that it was involved in anything illegal. Example: seize the GHB and ecstasy and add them to the possession charge; they don't somehow expand the warrant to cameras.

Now on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if every warrant issued these days doesn't include cameras and computers just because they provide a wealth of information about everything you could be investigating. Drug warrant? Look for pictures of drugs. Weapon warrant? Look for pictures of weapons, etc.
 
2012-09-26 02:58:29 PM

Max Awesome: Looks like a case of gay bias to me. The guy has lives a party-hard lifestyle when he's not at work and now the police are sleeved-out by the gay principal and are doing their best to ruin him.


let's forget that he's a elementary school principal who, at the very least, uses meth and focus on him be a poor gay man whose being persecuted.
 
2012-09-26 03:11:55 PM

Max Awesome: Looks like a case of gay bias to me. The guy has lives a party-hard lifestyle when he's not at work and now the police are sleeved-out by the gay principal and are doing their best to ruin him.


In the Bay Area? Doesn't seem likely.
 
2012-09-26 03:27:57 PM

ProfessorOhki: suburbanguy: He was arrested on multiple accounts of FELONY possession - not misdemeanor. They also found ecstasy and GHB in his apartment - not just meth. He also probably used his computer to access the dating site, so it can be searched. The GHB and ecstasy often indicate some sort of sex crime. If they found a gun (legal to own, but can be used in a crime) would they be able to run ballistics on it? Since he was selling drugs, I'm going to say yes.

If it was licensed and legal, I don't see why. Arrested != convicted. Even if certain things often go hand in hand like weapons and drugs, turning every arrest into a fishing expedition for every possible charge isn't exactly what's intended by a warrant. Such a gun wouldn't be evidence in any of the crimes he was charged with anyway.

If you're doing a search, as the warrant provides, and you find something obviously illegal - ie: more drugs, child porn, illegal weapons, etc. then by all means seize it as evidence. That $20 in his wallet that "might be drug profit" you don't get to do anything with because possessing a $20 bill isn't illegal, nor is their any plain indication that it was involved in anything illegal. Example: seize the GHB and ecstasy and add them to the possession charge; they don't somehow expand the warrant to cameras.

Now on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if every warrant issued these days doesn't include cameras and computers just because they provide a wealth of information about everything you could be investigating. Drug warrant? Look for pictures of drugs. Weapon warrant? Look for pictures of weapons, etc.


Prepare to be unsurprised.

I interned with a public defender once, and I got to peruse a lot of discovery documents; among them the "search warrant" for a suspected killer's car and apartment. It was quite literally a boilerplate document that allowed them to look for ANYTHING WHATSOEVER and was about three pages long. It would have been shorter and more accurate if it said "This warrant authorizes the cops to seize anything they want wherever they find it."

Bear in mind that in this case they had the murder weapons--they got left in the body, gruesomely enough--and a plethora of evidence taken off the suspect that pretty well sewed up the case, all of which was acquired BEFORE the warrant. But it authorized them to search every possible closet, drawer, box, container, cabinet, shelf, envelope, case, suitcase; and to seize things like any hard drive, computer, disk, floppy disk, flash drive, thumb drive, CD, CD burner, DVD, software specified and unspecified...and on and on.

Now, I GUESS that satisfies the letter of the requirement of particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. but I question whether it satisfies the spirit of the law, you know?
 
2012-09-26 03:37:56 PM
anyone know his stickam account name?
 
2012-09-26 03:41:34 PM
I don't trust anyone without eyebrows.
 
2012-09-26 04:16:40 PM
FTA:...I took control of the cameras as possible evidence to crimes we may find on his computer, i.e. videos," Mountain View police Officer Wahed Magee wrote in the report.

OK, now, that is just one awesome name right there.
 
2012-09-26 04:32:37 PM

special20: splat the whale: splat.

Stop trying to make "splat" work happen.


thewallmachine.com
 
2012-09-26 04:34:27 PM

godxam: Max Awesome: Looks like a case of gay bias to me. The guy has lives a party-hard lifestyle when he's not at work and now the police are sleeved-out by the gay principal and are doing their best to ruin him.

let's forget that he's a elementary school principal who, at the very least, uses meth and focus on him be a poor gay man whose being persecuted.


Yes because all drug users are bad. No other facts are relevant, right retard?
 
Skr
2012-09-26 04:38:22 PM
Love the Old Navy level of fading on the lettering on his correctional uniform. It really brings the trendy outfit together.
 
2012-09-26 05:27:17 PM
animationanomaly.com
 
2012-09-26 05:37:29 PM
FTFA: In addition to the cameras and computer agents found, a police dog named Zeus helped locate about a quarter-ounce of methamphetamine, seven Ecstasy pills, several vials of the date-rape drug, 50 plastic baggies, a scale with traces of meth on it, and a syringe without a needle that could be used to dole out precise amounts of the liquid date-rape drug.

Okay, so quantities of contraband drugs that indicate personal use. Naughty, naughty.

But OMG! wait -- he also had cameras, computers, a scale, plastic baggies and a syringe that might be used for something nefarious?

Well, holy shiat. Lock him up and throw away the key!

50 plastic baggies? That bastard.
 
2012-09-26 05:37:59 PM

suburbanguy: quietwalker: I dunno. The guy sounds sketchy as hell, and he's obviously a criminal - fine However, I think the police overstepped their boundaries here, and this story is blown out of proportion.

What was he being nailed on? Originally, solicitation charges plus drugs. These are misdemeanors (1/4 oz of meth = misdemeanor, obviously personal use size only, prostitution also a misdemeanor). Then what happens? Police search his entire apartment and find a closet of not-in-use video cameras. Never mind that they're 'spy' cams. They have nothing to do with prostitution or drugs, but someone has a feeling about it, so into the santa bag they go.

Then they confiscate 3 computers, and 'numerous hard drives' - because those two things are never together - just in case they appear to have been used for the video cameras they found, that - let me point out - are not illegal to own and do not appear to be part of a crime as far as anyone can tell. They also mention that they went through his cell phone, gotta assume they took that too.

What's next? Is his TV any good? He got any tablets? Anything good in the fridge? They found car keys on his person, and since you can't tell just by looking if it's a stolen key or not! Maybe it's got an outstanding parking ticket! They better confiscate all the cars in the parking lot. You know, until they sort it all out.

I'm pretty pro-cop, but I'm way more pro-personal freedoms. I'm fairly sure the police aren't allowed to just take personal property without legal reason by just saying, "I've got a feeling there might be some crime on this thing, especially here around the edges," - even when they've got the guy on drug and prostitution charges already.

Not sure if serious...

He was arrested on multiple accounts of FELONY possession - not misdemeanor. They also found ecstasy and GHB in his apartment - not just meth. He also probably used his computer to access the dating site, so it can be searched. The GHB and ecstas ...


Actually serious.

I did read the article; the original case was about him soliciting prostitution and there was discussion about meth, like I said. So it makes sense that a warrant (if one was required) would include searching for drugs - that's reasonable. The amounts found were misdemeanor levels, but according to random google, santa clara is known for treating all drug crimes as felony, even at misdemeanor levels (personal use, like 7 pills of E and a quarter of a gram of meth), and forces you to fight them. Okay, so they trump it up, but let's be honest, it's personal use - they didn't uncover any evidence that he was actively selling them, and he barely had enough for a weekend.

I can understand the computer being taken as well, though it's probably completely unnecessary. Random unattached hard drives, cell phone, and other devices classified as computers? I dunno.

Then randomly taking spy cams? No evidence whatsoever it has anything to do with a crime? That's illegal seizure right there.

Let's pretend this is you for a second. You're speeding and a cop pulls you over. Okay, you were breaking the law, fair cop. LEO looks in your car window and sees a child seat in the back. Takes it, just in case. Just in case what? Doesn't matter. Maybe he saw a movie about child seats being used to smuggle drugs. Apparently just feeling a bit apprehensive and coming up with a scenario where it could be used in a criminal way is enough. Also takes your jesus head bobble from the dashboard. You never know. Could be gang related.

This is obviously a stupid example, but I don't see any difference in the justification from the article, or my straw man. That's where my problem comes in.
 
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