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2012-09-26 12:39:55 AM
It's a good question.

A woman I work with, was complaining to me about her ten year old daughter was getting as fat as she is, (the co-worker is farking hippo sized btw) and despite not wanting to get involved in the conversation. I asked, "well, you could control what she eats right?"

She just threw up her arms, and was like, "there's not much I can do"

I didn't say it, but I wanted to whack her across her face and say "You're the parent, try setting an example for your daughter. Make her exercise, eat right and help her loose weight."
 
2012-09-26 12:42:52 AM
 
2012-09-26 12:52:24 AM

strangeluck: A woman I work with


Quite a few reasons...first is that women are working, and not spending 3-5 hours a day shopping and making food. Also, fast food is what the parents have been brought up on..and portion sizes have increased. And after a hard days work, the parents don't feel like fighting with the kids or doing the 'fine, you don't like it...off to bed with you---no tv, no snacks. Kids also don't get enough exercise even compared to 25 years ago..where they'd ride bikes in the 'burbs...or mow grass for pocket money. They're on the 'net or plugged into video game pacifiers.
 
2012-09-26 12:54:07 AM
I thought it was because they simply could not say no to their own child. Killing them with love.
 
2012-09-26 01:06:35 AM

optikeye: strangeluck: A woman I work with

Quite a few reasons...first is that women are working, and not spending 3-5 hours a day shopping and making food. Also, fast food is what the parents have been brought up on..and portion sizes have increased. And after a hard days work, the parents don't feel like fighting with the kids or doing the 'fine, you don't like it...off to bed with you---no tv, no snacks. Kids also don't get enough exercise even compared to 25 years ago..where they'd ride bikes in the 'burbs...or mow grass for pocket money. They're on the 'net or plugged into video game pacifiers.


I understand what you mean, but it sounds more like an excuse than a reason, Plenty of working moms out there who do what they can to keep their kids healthy.
 
2012-09-26 01:06:37 AM
More because they can't say no to themselves with an ounce of self control, how the hell are they supposed to take over and tell a child no (you know, their jobs).
 
2012-09-26 01:09:04 AM
I like how they always make fun of Americans being fatasses, but they have the same earthquaking problem.
 
2012-09-26 01:38:22 AM

optikeye: Also, fast food is what the parents have been brought up on


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2012-09-26 01:46:55 AM

fusillade762: optikeye: Also, fast food is what the parents have been brought up on

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/oblig


Looks like the Michelin man's offspring.

/Also wonder if that kid is even still alive now, damn, to be that big at such a young age.
 
2012-09-26 01:49:56 AM
There are a multitude of reasons. It is not a single issue.

Split families
two working parents
kids dont play outside like they used to
kids dont walk home from school like they used to
school lunches are less healthy
dinners at home are less healthy
some of it is biological

I remember as a kid there was one (1) McDonalds in my town. There are now at least six. Along with a multitude of other fast food places. I read a study previously about how feast and famine periods effect genetics. I'll look for it -it was real interesting; out of Norway, or Sweden I think.
 
2012-09-26 02:00:20 AM

Frederick: There are a multitude of reasons. It is not a single issue.

Split families
two working parents
kids dont play outside like they used to
kids dont walk home from school like they used to
school lunches are less healthy
dinners at home are less healthy
some of it is biological

I remember as a kid there was one (1) McDonalds in my town. There are now at least six. Along with a multitude of other fast food places. I read a study previously about how feast and famine periods effect genetics. I'll look for it -it was real interesting; out of Norway, or Sweden I think.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96verkalix_study
 
2012-09-26 04:16:16 AM
Children these days are less and less sexy!
 
2012-09-26 04:18:16 AM
I wanna be fat so I can eat.
 
2012-09-26 04:21:38 AM

CavalierEternal: FATTY THREAD!


congratulations, that is the worst thing produced by humanity, ever. I need to go look at some concentration camp photos to lighten my mood.

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2012-09-26 04:25:51 AM
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2012-09-26 04:26:46 AM
You know you have a problem when you're on vacation to the US and manage to feel fat.
Damn.


strangeluck:
Looks like the Michelin man's offspring.

/Also wonder if that kid is even still alive now, damn, to be that big at such a young age.


It's from a story in Eastern Europe about kids training to be sumo wrestlers, so make of it what you will.
 
2012-09-26 04:29:51 AM
Because they are terrible parents.
 
2012-09-26 04:31:57 AM
I use real butter and bacon grease when I cook.

we're all fairly skinny people though because most it isn't processed or out of a box

and we're too poor to buy fast food.

broccoli, olive oil, and garlic in the oven for 20 minutes? yes, please.
 
2012-09-26 04:32:02 AM

one small post for man: Because they are terrible parents.


This, nothing more whether they like it or not. If your kid is fat it is your fault. Deal with it.
 
2012-09-26 05:06:41 AM
That blows my mind that the one kid is 127kg. If it's 2.2#/kg, that's like nearly 280#. The kid waaaaay outweighs me and I'm a chub butt right now.

I honestly do think a lot of it has to do with lack of exercise. I only use real cream, butter, full fat cheese, etc., but my weight is usually pretty much under control because I work the back of the house in restaurants. High energy stuff, so I get plenty of exercise. My weight has gone up since the restaurant I was working at closed, but I know I'll lose it again the minute I find a new cooking job, so it doesn't bother me too much. That's key for me, the exercise. I already know I'm not going to change my eating habits so I really do need to stay active or some day they'll have to cut a hole in the side of the house to haul my bloated corpse out and bury me in a piano case or shipping container.
 
2012-09-26 05:10:52 AM

fusillade762: optikeye: Also, fast food is what the parents have been brought up on

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/oblig


He's probably dead by now. Think about that.

Maybe that's what Fat Coworker (referenced above) needs to see.
 
2012-09-26 05:15:03 AM

strangeluck: fusillade762: optikeye: Also, fast food is what the parents have been brought up on

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/oblig

Looks like the Michelin man's offspring.

/Also wonder if that kid is even still alive now, damn, to be that big at such a young age.


Oops, sorry, didn't bother to read ahead. I suck.

Interesting, though, that we use such euphemisms as "big," rather than using a more descriptive, honest word. I'm not interested in shaming a child, but he's not reading this. So: He's not big, he's fat.

Poor kid. farking negligent parents.
 
2012-09-26 05:24:42 AM
Oh wait...

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2012-09-26 05:42:20 AM
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2012-09-26 06:05:47 AM
I'm the active type. I love running, hiking and being out doors. I just have to move. When my kids hit grade school they got into all sorts of activities, soccer, basketball, scouts and so forth. This really ate into my time to be active so I started giving my kids candy and plopping them in front of the tv. Sure they have put on a few pounds but they have a life time to take it off and get fit, I did it
 
2012-09-26 06:10:44 AM
I have the opposite problem with my kids. They are underweight because they refuse to eat anything. Oh they'll whine for chicken nuggets or pizza when we give them a nice plate of roast chicken, potatoes and veggies but we've gotten pretty desensitized to it and have used the "That's your dinner, eat it or don't eat it." line more times than I can count this month.

/It's all undone when they visit the grandparents though, they get spoiled rotten
 
2012-09-26 06:15:11 AM

MoeSzyslak: one small post for man: Because they are terrible parents.

This, nothing more whether they like it or not. If your kid is fat it is your fault. Deal with it.


Having a kid is a huge responsibility. If your not prepared to give up pretty much everything you enjoy to have a baby, then don't have kids.
And parents, we have to stop pushing our choice on our childless friends. Just the opposite, let them know the truth. Having a baby consumes your life; your time, your money, your sleep, and sometimes your sanity. Lets not push our choice on our friends.
 
2012-09-26 06:18:40 AM

optikeye: And after a hard days work,


I think this is a major factor. There was a 50 year period or so in western civilization where life in our culture wasn't as centered on materialism as it is now. A standard, routine 8-hour workweek used to be the norm, and if it didn't get done in that time, it could wait until the next day; now that idea might be thought of as a pipe dream from halcyon days when the psychological needs of human beings came first before doing what it takes at all costs to make a business consume everything it can. You're viewed as lazy if you're not putting in 10 or 12 productive hours a day in many workplaces. I've heard that very sentiment on an NPR segment, and another on the fact that the standard practice of pure down time for lunch breaks is also waning. Etc. Both mother and father are often working beyond 2500 hours per year. We get home and lower tiers of Maslow's hierarchy need to be met.

I understand what you mean, but it sounds more like an excuse than a reason, Plenty of working moms out there who do what they can to keep their kids healthy.

Sure, the odd gem in the rough can handle it, but as you can see, in general most of us are lacking.

Couple our culture's crazed workaholic tendencies with the recent availability of cheap, abundant processed nasty food, and furthermore with its cheap, abundant unbelievably awesome (compared to just 20 years ago) electronic sedentary entertainment, and voila! Fatness ensues.

The period between WWII and what? The 1990s? That was THE window of time to be a human being in our species' history, in western civilization, so long as you were born in the "right" neighborhood...
 
2012-09-26 06:39:12 AM
live fat, die young, leave a fat looking corpse.
 
2012-09-26 06:43:27 AM
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Also, came here for Buffalo Bill reference. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-09-26 06:55:39 AM
I wish someone would do a study to see if there's correlation between parents who monitor/limit their kids TV and video game time and fat kids.

Being sedentary is more of a problem than food intake. If you let your kid sit down in front of a TV or a video game for 5 hours a day they will get fat. If you make them run around and play and be active, I think they are less likely to be fat.

It ain't rocket surgery!
 
2012-09-26 06:56:48 AM

BigBooper: MoeSzyslak: one small post for man: Because they are terrible parents.

This, nothing more whether they like it or not. If your kid is fat it is your fault. Deal with it.

Having a kid is a huge responsibility. If your not prepared to give up pretty much everything you enjoy to have a baby, then don't have kids.
And parents, we have to stop pushing our choice on our childless friends. Just the opposite, let them know the truth. Having a baby consumes your life; your time, your money, your sleep, and sometimes your sanity. Lets not push our choice on our friends.


I concur. This guy is right. Unless you're there, you don't know. And again IF YOUR KIDS ARE FAT IT IS YOUR FAULT. My kid shouldn't have less choices because you suck at feeding your kid. My kid will eat whatever I allow and your bad decisions shouldn't have nothing to do with it. "PB&J all day I don't care what yous say".  Look down at me all you want. At least my kids aren't fat.
 
2012-09-26 07:02:30 AM
Certain foods are an addiction and just like any other addictive substance, can be overcome. If you throw away "conventional wisdom" and get the proper information, permanent weight-loss can happen, along with regaining your health.

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2012-09-26 07:18:44 AM
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/has a friend who complains about her weight constantly, then posts that she had a blue slushy and Moose Tracks ice cream for breakfast.
her timeline reads like this

9:00 I need to start exercsing my clothes are getting tight
9:20 Going to Bojangles for a chicken biscuit anyone wanna roll with me?
9:35 Bogo yeah! I love free food!
11:00 Whats everyone doing for lunch?
1:30 Im thinking Chilis for dinner, anyone interested.
2:45 going to Scheetz for gas and a milkshake! I love their shake machine!
4:00 Heather and Brittany are down for Chilis, we'll be there at 5:30 if you're coming
9:00 Had a great time with my girls, we went to Coldstone Creamery too its sooooo good
10:00 I need to start exercsing my clothes are getting tight.
 
2012-09-26 07:30:54 AM

phillyguy1547: Being sedentary is more of a problem than food intake. If you let your kid sit down in front of a TV or a video game for 5 hours a day they will get fat. If you make them run around and play and be active, I think they are less likely to be fat.


That's a lifestyle correlation. Generally, parents who take an active role in raising their kids raise healthier kids, period. This happens even if "active" is some sort of hyper-religious nuck fugget brainwashing their crotchfruit about the evils of seafood or whatever. Kids can't self-destruct if they're closely supervised. It's actually hard to get a kid fat because they have fast metabolisms and smaller stomachs. The parents who don't give a shiat are the ones who put Mountain Dew in the baby bottle and it's all downhill from there; if the kid's sedentary it's often because they're given nothing to do but that alone doesn't make kids fat.

MoeSzyslak: Unless you're there, you don't know.


Thing is, I've never heard of a case where a kid got fat merely because the parents were lazy or exhausted. In households where the kids get fat, the home itself is a horrific mountain if fail. Sugar is everywhere. The kid is given free, unrestricted access to everything from ice cream to soda, any time of the day. It's not so much that there isn't a single vegetable in the fridge (tho that doesn't help) as it's damn near impossible to find something that isn't junk food. It's all the kid has to eat.
 
2012-09-26 07:55:20 AM
I'm going with a massive conspiracy perpetrated by scooter companies.
 
2012-09-26 08:02:56 AM
i have a cousin who is about 20 years old now and he must weight 300 pounds. he's enormous. his mother (my aunt) is not the most caring or understanding parent in the world, so i could point to his white trash upbringing as the source of his weight problem. but the thing is, he's not an only child. his sister is about 22 or so and she is thin and healthy, and his younger brother is 18 or so and he's normal size, maybe just a bit overweight. they all have the same mother and father and were raised the same, so why is he so gigantic and his siblings aren't? i don't get it.
 
2012-09-26 08:10:18 AM

CavalierEternal: FATTY THREAD!


that is absolutely horrifying. Excuse me while I go and curl up in the fetal position and cry in the shower.
 
2012-09-26 08:10:56 AM

enderthexenocide: i have a cousin who is about 20 years old now and he must weight 300 pounds. he's enormous. his mother (my aunt) is not the most caring or understanding parent in the world, so i could point to his white trash upbringing as the source of his weight problem. but the thing is, he's not an only child. his sister is about 22 or so and she is thin and healthy, and his younger brother is 18 or so and he's normal size, maybe just a bit overweight. they all have the same mother and father and were raised the same, so why is he so gigantic and his siblings aren't? i don't get it.


Gee I don't know, food?
 
2012-09-26 08:12:40 AM

dragonchild: phillyguy1547: Being sedentary is more of a problem than food intake. If you let your kid sit down in front of a TV or a video game for 5 hours a day they will get fat. If you make them run around and play and be active, I think they are less likely to be fat.

That's a lifestyle correlation. Generally, parents who take an active role in raising their kids raise healthier kids, period. This happens even if "active" is some sort of hyper-religious nuck fugget brainwashing their crotchfruit about the evils of seafood or whatever. Kids can't self-destruct if they're closely supervised. It's actually hard to get a kid fat because they have fast metabolisms and smaller stomachs. The parents who don't give a shiat are the ones who put Mountain Dew in the baby bottle and it's all downhill from there; if the kid's sedentary it's often because they're given nothing to do but that alone doesn't make kids fat.

MoeSzyslak: Unless you're there, you don't know.

Thing is, I've never heard of a case where a kid got fat merely because the parents were lazy or exhausted. In households where the kids get fat, the home itself is a horrific mountain if fail. Sugar is everywhere. The kid is given free, unrestricted access to everything from ice cream to soda, any time of the day. It's not so much that there isn't a single vegetable in the fridge (tho that doesn't help) as it's damn near impossible to find something that isn't junk food. It's all the kid has to eat.


Who said anything about lazy or exhausted? Face it if a kid is fat it's the parents fault. Or are you talking about certain nonwhite kids? Apparently science doesn't apply to them and it's the government's fault, not the parents. I hate it when the government makes certain kids fat.

I'm poor so I'm fat is an American phenomenon.
Forgive me but I don't think lack of food or money is the problem .
I'd say something about priorities and culture but I'd be accused of racism so I won't.
No kid ever got fat eating like they do in certain other countries.
 
2012-09-26 08:13:54 AM

enderthexenocide: i have a cousin who is about 20 years old now and he must weight 300 pounds. he's enormous. his mother (my aunt) is not the most caring or understanding parent in the world, so i could point to his white trash upbringing as the source of his weight problem. but the thing is, he's not an only child. his sister is about 22 or so and she is thin and healthy, and his younger brother is 18 or so and he's normal size, maybe just a bit overweight. they all have the same mother and father and were raised the same, so why is he so gigantic and his siblings aren't? i don't get it.


Different people react in different ways to the same thing. If it is down to his upbringing his siblings probably just reacted to it in a different way. Also most parents treat each child differently its often subtle but it is common.
 
2012-09-26 08:14:27 AM

enderthexenocide: i have a cousin who is about 20 years old now and he must weight 300 pounds. he's enormous. his mother (my aunt) is not the most caring or understanding parent in the world, so i could point to his white trash upbringing as the source of his weight problem. but the thing is, he's not an only child. his sister is about 22 or so and she is thin and healthy, and his younger brother is 18 or so and he's normal size, maybe just a bit overweight. they all have the same mother and father and were raised the same, so why is he so gigantic and his siblings aren't? i don't get it.


Middle child syndrome
 
2012-09-26 08:25:45 AM

enderthexenocide: i have a cousin who is about 20 years old now and he must weight 300 pounds. he's enormous. his mother (my aunt) is not the most caring or understanding parent in the world, so i could point to his white trash upbringing as the source of his weight problem. but the thing is, he's not an only child. his sister is about 22 or so and she is thin and healthy, and his younger brother is 18 or so and he's normal size, maybe just a bit overweight. they all have the same mother and father and were raised the same, so why is he so gigantic and his siblings aren't? i don't get it.


Genetics does play a part into metabolism.
 
2012-09-26 08:29:30 AM

MoeSzyslak:
I'm poor so I'm fat is an American phenomenon.
Forgive me but I don't think lack of food or money is the problem .


Food is cheap in the USA and we have various aid programs(food stamps, etc) that make it a priority to get people fed. The problem is that in a lot of poorer areas, especially urban areas, people don't have access to a decent grocery store. So they're eating fast food and whatever the local 7-11 stocks. There's also cultural and educational problems: fat, unhealthy parents don't know how to feed their children a healthy diet, and if the parents are fat and unhealthy the children are unmotivated to change on their own.
 
2012-09-26 08:33:38 AM
My cousins kid is:

12

5'2"

250

on 2 different blood pressure meds

diabetic


I figure he will be blind by 30, dead by 40
 
2012-09-26 08:44:09 AM

enderthexenocide: i have a cousin who is about 20 years old now and he must weight 300 pounds. he's enormous. his mother (my aunt) is not the most caring or understanding parent in the world, so i could point to his white trash upbringing as the source of his weight problem. but the thing is, he's not an only child. his sister is about 22 or so and she is thin and healthy, and his younger brother is 18 or so and he's normal size, maybe just a bit overweight. they all have the same mother and father and were raised the same, so why is he so gigantic and his siblings aren't? i don't get it.


The other two are skinny because the fat one eats it all before they get a chance.
 
2012-09-26 08:53:06 AM

Voiceofreason01: MoeSzyslak:
I'm poor so I'm fat is an American phenomenon.
Forgive me but I don't think lack of food or money is the problem .


Food is cheap in the USA and we have various aid programs(food stamps, etc) that make it a priority to get people fed. The problem is that in a lot of poorer areas, especially urban areas, people don't have access to a decent grocery store. So they're eating fast food and whatever the local 7-11 stocks. There's also cultural and educational problems: fat, unhealthy parents don't know how to feed their children a healthy diet, and if the parents are fat and unhealthy the children are unmotivated to change on their own.


This. I used to live in the downtown Sacramento area and the only grocery stores we had were the corner type stores. They are also frightfully expensive. Unless you were able and willing to make the trek out to the 'burbs you were pretty much stuck paying $7 for a small jar of peanut butter, 3/$1 ramen noodles and 2/$1 packs of cookies. Guess what most of us ate? It wasn't the peanut butter, that's for sure. There's a Safeway now down off of S street (I think, or maybe it's R), and it's right off the light rail line, but depending on what part of downtown you live in, it can still be a bit of a haul to get out there, not to mention Safeway is pretty expensive as far as grocery stores go. It's a major problem in urban areas.

/so grateful to be in the 'burbs now
 
2012-09-26 08:56:10 AM
Same reason their pets are fat. They 'feel bad' only giving them the right amount of food. So they give them a little extra. And some treats. And five Oreos because she asked for them.

And yeah, you could be truly caring and cook a healthy meal, but you want to take the lazy and 'nice' short cut so you ordered pizza again.

And I absolutely do not believe that lack of exercise is the only problem. When you eat TWICE the calories you are supposed to, it is not easy to burn them off. When is the last time a normal person or a child burned 1000 calories through exercise??
 
2012-09-26 08:58:25 AM

enderthexenocide: i have a cousin who is about 20 years old now and he must weight 300 pounds. he's enormous. his mother (my aunt) is not the most caring or understanding parent in the world, so i could point to his white trash upbringing as the source of his weight problem. but the thing is, he's not an only child. his sister is about 22 or so and she is thin and healthy, and his younger brother is 18 or so and he's normal size, maybe just a bit overweight. they all have the same mother and father and were raised the same, so why is he so gigantic and his siblings aren't? i don't get it.


I was a chubster, my older brother was very fit. Both my parents "struggle" with weight but only in the sense that they count calories; neither were fat when I was growing up. Why was I the huge one? Parents were divorced and both working, so we were unsupervised until about 6:30 every night. My brother'd get back from high school sports practice (football, wrestling, baseball) and make at least a meal's worth of food-- chicken fingers, tater tots, pizza, whatever. I figured that as long as I ate less than what he ate I wouldn't have any weight issues. So I was aware of calories and aware that they should be restricted to a point, but I didn't have any idea what that point was. I just figured if I ate less than my brother then I would not get fat.

Problem? He was a 14 year old boy and I was a 9 year old girl. No wonder I turned into a fatty! Fortunately for me, once he went to college I grew out of that phase.
 
2012-09-26 09:07:21 AM

MoeSzyslak: Who said anything about lazy or exhausted?


"Unless you're there, you don't know" from a parent is code for "I'm tired". Well no shiat, but that alone doesn't make a kid fat. To make a kid fat, you have to fail spectacularly.
 
2012-09-26 09:13:42 AM

aintsobad: enderthexenocide: i have a cousin who is about 20 years old now and he must weight 300 pounds. he's enormous. his mother (my aunt) is not the most caring or understanding parent in the world, so i could point to his white trash upbringing as the source of his weight problem. but the thing is, he's not an only child. his sister is about 22 or so and she is thin and healthy, and his younger brother is 18 or so and he's normal size, maybe just a bit overweight. they all have the same mother and father and were raised the same, so why is he so gigantic and his siblings aren't? i don't get it.

The other two are skinny because the fat one eats it all before they get a chance.


I hate to say it, but this is about right. I have 4 kids. The oldest (18) is kinda chubby - but I think we can give her a pass as she has a 4 month old (extremely difficult child - but that's another subject). My 15 yr old son is 140lbs - I was 160 at that age, but I was doing 45lb curls per arm and more active. My 12 yr old daughter is skinny, buy my 9 yr old son is too chubby. He's not technically overweight, but I can see it coming. His older siblings eat Ramen and rice, and he eats multiple hot dogs and all the fixin's. He is active, plays soccer and baseball, but had heart surgery as a baby and has asthma. All the kids know he'll eat anything - which is cool that he doesn't turn his nose up to anything, but I have to constantly remind him before he takes seconds "are you REALLY hungry?"

As a parent it's hard, but one of my good friends has struggled with his weight all his life (hence my lifting weights at 15, it was with him), and my son doesn't look much larger now than my friend did at that age...

Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child already knows.
 
2012-09-26 09:17:54 AM
Whenever I checkout at the grocery store and see a parent with a fat kid, I look at what they are buying and I see why the kid is fat (as well as usually the parents too.)

That being said I don't really feel that it's 100% the parents fault. They are doing the best they can on tight budgets and following lots of BS nutritional advice put out by mainstream news and corporate marketing.

Let's be honest, my kids are not fatties because I have critical thinking skills to actually investigate nutritional myths and studies that are not taught in high school. I let my kids eat whatever and whenever they want at home but my cupboards and fridge is stocked with healthy, real food. I cook breakfast everyday before I go to work for my family, pack healthy lunches for my kids everyday, and I cook simple family dinners almost every night that we sit down as a family to eat. If my kids don't like a veg or something I made, I get them to at least try it because some day they might suddenly like it (This happens a lot)

Start those habits when your kids are young and they won't be fat but in our fast-paced society, what seems normal to me is unreasonable&too much work to most of today's parents.
 
2012-09-26 09:19:56 AM
The problem is that no one feels shame anymore. No one is responsible for their own actions, and calling them on it will get you labeled as a bigot or a "hater" for your "victim shaming".


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2012-09-26 09:22:10 AM

Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...


I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.
 
2012-09-26 09:23:37 AM

Havokmon: Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...

I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.


How tall are you?
 
2012-09-26 09:24:12 AM

WhippingBoy: Havokmon: Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...

I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.

How tall are you?


WhippingBoy: Havokmon: Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...

I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.

How tall are you?


6 foot.
 
2012-09-26 09:24:26 AM
Stupidity and passing along their own bad habits.

I have a great example in my own family. My first cousin and her husband. They're just stupid. She's a dental assistant, he's a McDonald's manager. Their kid is like 16 or 17 now. They live about 800 miles away from me, but I've seen recent pictures of them. She's probably 220, her husband is huge (like 400 huge, easy,) and their son is easily 300.

From an early age, they refused to actually PARENT and let the kid dictate what was fed to him. As a result, at around seventeen years old, he says vegetables and most "normal" food make him gag. My aunt says he literally can't eat vegetables because they make him gag since he was never acclimated to anything but fast food. He won't even eat things like STEAK or ribs. Which takes us to what he's eaten almost his entire life...

This is a very specific list (all this information was told by my aunt, which tells my mother, then I hear about it. My aunt lives right down the street from these fatasses, and she's also to blame because she also buys this shiat and is fat and diabetic herself.)

Chicken McNuggets
Pizza Hut pizza

There it is...two things. That's literally mostly what this kid has been eating since he was a child. His father would bring him home leftover McNuggets from work. His mother works late as does his dad, and his grandmother (my aunt) would also buy him these things when she was looking after him.

Oh, and on the pizza note, it gets even better than that...my parents went up to visit them one summer, and they all ordered pizza. To be exact, my aunt and uncle ordered the pizza for everyone. The pizza arrives, my parents go to get a piece, the pizzas are all plain cheese. My mom asks my aunt why they didn't get any toppings, and she says "Oh, any other toppings make Jimmy (we'll call him Jimmy) gag."

Un-farking-precedented stupidity, if not criminal child neglect. I don't know if he's on any blood pressure meds or anything yet, but he's f'd for life. He'll never lead a completely normal life as a direct result of his parents.
 
2012-09-26 09:24:45 AM
cf.chucklesnetwork.agj.co
 
2012-09-26 09:26:23 AM

optikeye: strangeluck: A woman I work with

Quite a few reasons...first is that women are working, and not spending 3-5 hours a day shopping and making food. Also, fast food is what the parents have been brought up on..and portion sizes have increased. And after a hard days work, the parents don't feel like fighting with the kids or doing the 'fine, you don't like it...off to bed with you---no tv, no snacks. Kids also don't get enough exercise even compared to 25 years ago..where they'd ride bikes in the 'burbs...or mow grass for pocket money. They're on the 'net or plugged into video game pacifiers.


3-5 hours/day shopping and making food? What kind of cooking did you grow up on, upscale French cuisine? Shop for the week on a weekend, cook 5-6 meals, and freeze them. And you don't even have to cook whole meals--cook & freeze the protein & just nuke frozen veggies that night. I do that now--on Sunday cooked up a yankee pot roast, tray of lasagna florentine, veggie burgers, tikka masala (from a Trader Joe's sauce), and cajun shrimp. Froze it all and we just nuke veggies, rice, or whatever & reheat the protein. Took me a total of 6 hours, including the shopping.
 
2012-09-26 09:26:37 AM

Havokmon: WhippingBoy: Havokmon: Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...

I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.

How tall are you?

WhippingBoy: Havokmon: Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...

I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.

How tall are you?

6 foot.


Your BMI calculations sound about right. I would expect someone who is 6' to weight about 180 - 185.
 
2012-09-26 09:30:11 AM
FTFA: "I constantly asked myself 'what am I doing wrong?'"

In most cases like this, it's because you're trying too hard to be your child's friend and not his parent.
 
2012-09-26 09:32:03 AM

ModernLuddite: Children these days are less and less sexy!


I ♥ U
 
2012-09-26 09:32:11 AM

fisker: [i.imgur.com image 197x365]


what.the.fark.is.that
 
2012-09-26 09:32:37 AM
Step 1 : Don't eat fast food
Step 2 : Don't eat processed food
Step 3 : Don't eat too much food
Step 4 : Excercize

Steps 5 and 6 should be going organic and cooking for yourself with ingredients produced as close to you as possible.

Profit is the goal of fast food and food giants. They aren't all that concerned with what you eat so long as they money off of you. Have a garden, try to buy from local farmers who don't pump their livestock full of GM fillers and steroids in "increase yield"
 
2012-09-26 09:32:40 AM

WhippingBoy: Havokmon: WhippingBoy: Havokmon: Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...

I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.

How tall are you?

WhippingBoy: Havokmon: Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...

I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.

How tall are you?

6 foot.

Your BMI calculations sound about right. I would expect someone who is 6' to weight about 180 - 185.


Yeah, and I'm not football player (I work in IT), but I haven't been under 200 for 20 years. I wear a 34' waist jeans, and I'm not a muffin top.
I think the better calculation is the wrist test. In high school we were told if you can touch your thumb and middle finger around your wrist, you were ok. I can do that :)
 
2012-09-26 09:33:30 AM

shakespear: My cousins kid is:

12

5'2"

250

on 2 different blood pressure meds

diabetic


I figure he will be blind by 30, dead by 40


They'll chop off his feet by 25
 
2012-09-26 09:35:34 AM

WhippingBoy: Havokmon: WhippingBoy: Havokmon: Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...

I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.

How tall are you?

WhippingBoy: Havokmon: Havokmon:
Its easy to look at a picture and say that kis is fat, the parents need to do something. It's really hard to look at your own child and tell them they aren't getting another serving because they'll get fat(ter)- the parent gets the heartbreaking look because the child a ...

I have to add the 'standard' BMI calculators are crap. I just did mine and it says I'm 35 lbs overweight - I weigh 215. Yeah, I could lose 10 lbs, my stomach would be totally flat and I'd have a good set of abs - but at 205 it would still say I'm way overweight.

How tall are you?

6 foot.

Your BMI calculations sound about right. I would expect someone who is 6' to weight about 180 - 185.


It still depends on your body type. I'm 6-foot and big-boned. When I was 188, I looked positively skeletal. Also, when I stood up too quickly, I'd get dizzy. Now I'm 206--cheeks & collarbone no longer protrude as much and I don't get dizzy. 

I don't pay attention to the BMI charts. If you're happy with the way you look and you feel healthy, you're fine.
 
2012-09-26 09:36:22 AM
Step 1: Base your diet on items that provide calories, but are nutritionally void (bread, rice, potatoes, pasta)
Step 2: Body craves vitamins, minerals, fats and proteins that it didn't receive in step 1, signals the brain that it is still hungry
Step 3: Go to step 1

The result is that people accumulate more calories than the body can burn, while becoming malnourished. Eat real meat & vegetables, minimally processed.
 
2012-09-26 09:37:43 AM
Laziness. Pure and simple.

It's f*cking laziness.
 
2012-09-26 09:38:11 AM
I have two kids 8 y/o girl and 10 y/o autistic boy; both of average height with a combined weight of 100lbs. We get fast food more than once a week. They have plenty of snacks available when they want. I cook dinner for them and do so short order, meaning if we have it and they both don't want the same thing, then I make them each something different. I use butter and bacon fat profusely in my food. The difference is that they are active. Yeah, the boy likes his PS3, but only spends about 7hrs a week on it. You gotta be doing something pretty farked up if you let your kids get fat.

It isn't food, it's mindset. I eat when I am actually hungry and stop when I am full. I suppose that is leading by example for my kids, but I kill that example by downing a 5th of vodka on a Friday night. I've been a lazy ass for about a year because I have a tumor in my head and it causes occasional dizziness, but even I haven't packed on any extra weight. Why? Because I eat when I am hungry and stop when I am full.
 
2012-09-26 09:38:22 AM
Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.
 
2012-09-26 09:41:02 AM

fisker: [i.imgur.com image 197x365]


Now who the hell would dress up an elephant seal like that? Someone call PETA.
 
2012-09-26 09:41:05 AM

SuperDarly: I have the opposite problem with my kids. They are underweight because they refuse to eat anything. Oh they'll whine for chicken nuggets or pizza when we give them a nice plate of roast chicken, potatoes and veggies but we've gotten pretty desensitized to it and have used the "That's your dinner, eat it or don't eat it." line more times than I can count this month.

/It's all undone when they visit the grandparents though, they get spoiled rotten


I had a talk with my neighbor who loves his kid, but needs to learn discipline.
I told him the things my dad would say, like dress for dinner and eat at the table.
That's what we're having for dinner and you will, too. Or you can have it for breakfast, cold.
No dessert until you finish.
Go outside and play.
One hour of TV a night, choose wisely.
You can be replaced.
You want to run to the store for a candy bar? Go ahead, run.
 
2012-09-26 09:41:28 AM

optikeye: strangeluck: A woman I work with

Quite a few reasons...first is that women are working, and not spending 3-5 hours a day shopping and making food. Also, fast food is what the parents have been brought up on..and portion sizes have increased. And after a hard days work, the parents don't feel like fighting with the kids or doing the 'fine, you don't like it...off to bed with you---no tv, no snacks. Kids also don't get enough exercise even compared to 25 years ago..where they'd ride bikes in the 'burbs...or mow grass for pocket money. They're on the 'net or plugged into video game pacifiers.


This is an example of what a lame justification for bad parenting may look like. As optikeye has pointed out, the only reasonable approach to parenting is to do the absolute minimum for them without letting it interfere with your normal life. Also, having kids is a right and the state should be taking care of them anyway.
 
2012-09-26 09:44:19 AM

KawaiiNot: That being said I don't really feel that it's 100% the parents fault. They are doing the best they can on tight budgets and following lots of BS nutritional advice put out by mainstream news and corporate marketing.


Oh FFS, "Kids should eat Lunchables, ice cream, hot dogs and all the pop they can get their hands on" said no dietician, EVER.
 
2012-09-26 09:44:20 AM
I grew up in a house with two full-time working parents, but my brother and I weren't fat, because our parents didn't feed us garbage for dinner and I learned healthy eating and exercise habits. Now, if you're on welfare, I feel sympathy for you, because garbage food is cheap, but otherwise people who claim they can't feed their family properly because they and their spouse both work are just too lazy/stupid to do so.

There was an article a couple of months ago where this yuppie woman was bragging about her child-raising techniques where her primary weapon against keeping her eight-year-old daughter from getting fat was to not let her eat as much as she wanted at the dinner table. I'd like to tell her "Hey, lady, you're a real biatch for telling your daughter to stop eating dinner when she's still hungry. She's farking 8. If you're 8-year-old is ballooning up, it's not because she's eating too much dinner, it's because you're either feeding her unhealthy crap every night or not letting her run around like an 8-year-old should. Probably both.
 
2012-09-26 09:45:34 AM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


Healthy? No, but a bucket of pretzels keeps you from starving - just eat 3 mid-morning and 3 mid-afternoon. It's not the healthiest snack, but it's quick and easy and IMHO helps you learn/maintain self control cause they're so damn nummy...
 
2012-09-26 09:47:15 AM
I farking HATE fat people. They smell, they gross me out, and they generally breathe with their mouth open. The sad farking part about it is it is all preventable and fixable with just a little discipline and a lifestyle change. But Nooooooooo, they want to look like shiat because double cheeseburgers are for brefkiss.

Harpoon their asses and sell off their blubber.
 
2012-09-26 09:48:21 AM

006deluxe: Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


That's actually one way to stay thin. If you're tired of it, then you'll only eat it when you're hungry.
 
2012-09-26 09:50:42 AM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


Dried fruit? It's expensive though. Personally I love yogurt, though you wouldn't be able to leave that at your desk of course. Granola bars? Not the kind with chocolate and junk in them, just regular granola with just dried raisins in it or something.
 
2012-09-26 09:56:54 AM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


Any kind of fruit/vegetable will do, pretty much. Bananas, apples, dried fruits (be careful though, lots of those get coated in sugar), pears, peaches, etc. You can buy over the weekend and bring in, and your desk will provide a cool, dark environment for anything that needs it.

I'll caution, though - the more variety you have available, the more quickly you'll grow tired of the stuff you do have. When you limit your options, you actually end up enjoying them more and longer.
 
2012-09-26 09:57:36 AM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


I keep celery & hummus in the fridge at work. If you don't have access to a fridge, miso soup is great (just watch the sodium). If you are stuck at your desk and don't have access to anything, then almonds are good or peanut butter w/multi-grain crackers.
 
2012-09-26 10:01:01 AM
Thanks for the suggestions all!!
 
2012-09-26 10:01:26 AM
It doesn't really help when parents don't instill proper nutritional knowledge into their children from an early age, either. I remember my folks telling me about what vitamins were in what fruits and veggies when I was just a little kid, different kinds of fats and why too many carbs is a bad thing, etc. A sense of balance about what you're eating goes a long way.

Oh, and can't afford decent food for your kids? Get off your high horse and apply for some SNAP benefits. The health of your children should outweigh your inflated sense of pride. Not to mention that it's a bit more money stimulating the economy.
 
2012-09-26 10:03:06 AM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


I'm currently on Weight Watchers, so I'm all about the healthy stuff to keep at my desk. The Fiber One brownies are really great and they're only 2 points for me (90 calories each). They make a chocolate peanut butter one that is just awesome!

If you want, I can email some snack suggestions when I get home from work this evening (I can look through the WW website).

Also, *high five* for being in West Chester. I went to WCU and I miss that town a lot!
 
2012-09-26 10:09:28 AM

phillyguy1547: I wish someone would do a study to see if there's correlation between parents who monitor/limit their kids TV and video game time and fat kids.

Being sedentary is more of a problem than food intake. If you let your kid sit down in front of a TV or a video game for 5 hours a day they will get fat. If you make them run around and play and be active, I think they are less likely to be fat.

It ain't rocket surgery!


I disagree. It's much more about how much food you eat. It's really easy to eat 5000 calories in a day, but its really difficult to burn 5000 calories a day. Yes, physical activity plays a role (especially when you consider overall health and fitness), but being not-fat is probably 80% what you eat.
 
2012-09-26 10:11:45 AM

Zeno-25: It doesn't really help when parents don't instill proper nutritional knowledge into their children


All that really did in my family is program us to be afraid of nutritious food. The message that junk food tastes good and healthy food tastes like crap is ubiquitous and overwhelming in society. My mother saying "it's good for you" got us to hate all kinds of foods before we'd even tried them.
 
2012-09-26 10:12:29 AM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


nuts/seeds (but don't get the kind that are coated/roasted in salt and preservatives.. just plain)
 
2012-09-26 10:13:27 AM
Your kids are fat because of you and the example you set.

Also add in processed food, large portions and lazy parents.

/parent.
//kid not fat
///cooks everyday because it is time well spent
 
2012-09-26 10:15:27 AM

stonelotus: Oh wait...

[i1207.photobucket.com image 256x192]


Damn, I'm gonna need more lotion.....
 
2012-09-26 10:19:02 AM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


I like to munch on dried apricots (5 or so) and mixed nuts. I'm also a big fan of banana and peanut butter. Just don't overdo it on the peanut butter. Look at the calorie count. Mango is messy but amazing. If you drink sugared colas or diet colas, try seltzer instead.
 
2012-09-26 10:19:41 AM
Oh and liquid calories
 
2012-09-26 10:20:20 AM
Because modern mothers think that it is beneath them to cook food for their children to eat.

/Dads should cook too
//but they're usually not the ones who screamed and pushed to have a baby in the first place
 
2012-09-26 10:22:17 AM

jimb213: I disagree. It's much more about how much food you eat. It's really easy to eat 5000 calories in a day, but its really difficult to burn 5000 calories a day. Yes, physical activity plays a role (especially when you consider overall health and fitness), but being not-fat is probably 80% what you eat.


I dunno. 5000 calories is about seven double quarter pounders with cheeseLink. That's a lot 'o eatin.

/I agree with you about not eating like an elephant though.
 
2012-09-26 10:23:17 AM
brap jr. is very sensitive about his body so we've taken to call him morbidly jolly so as not to hurt his blubbery feelings.
 
It's fun to watch him sob into his Dunkin Donut holes and slurp down buckets of  Hi-C Grapesplosion at dinner while wifey and I enjoy a nicoise salad and roll our eyes.  God bless that bag of goo, he's our not so little dickens!  It almost pains me to haveto send him away to fat camp for 11.5 months out of the year.
 
2012-09-26 10:23:37 AM
It`s simple, the hole in your head that you call a mouth is larger than the hole in your ass that you call, well, your ass.

You can fit more in the first hole than you can get out of the second hole.

You have to stop putting as much stuff in the first hole to get less fat.

Can I say this any simpler?
 
2012-09-26 10:24:03 AM

MoeSzyslak: BigBooper: MoeSzyslak: one small post for man: Because they are terrible parents.

This, nothing more whether they like it or not. If your kid is fat it is your fault. Deal with it.

Having a kid is a huge responsibility. If your not prepared to give up pretty much everything you enjoy to have a baby, then don't have kids.
And parents, we have to stop pushing our choice on our childless friends. Just the opposite, let them know the truth. Having a baby consumes your life; your time, your money, your sleep, and sometimes your sanity. Lets not push our choice on our friends.

I concur. This guy is right. Unless you're there, you don't know. And again IF YOUR KIDS ARE FAT IT IS YOUR FAULT. My kid shouldn't have less choices because you suck at feeding your kid. My kid will eat whatever I allow and your bad decisions shouldn't have nothing to do with it. "PB&J all day I don't care what yous say".  Look down at me all you want. At least my kids aren't fat.


Plus, PB&J on toasted multi-grain sugarless whole wheat is awesome.

/I never like it as a kid, oddly enough
 
2012-09-26 10:25:19 AM
You have a fat kid & you don't know WHO TO BLAME? Stop taking your precious fat snowflake to McDonald's & start making home cooked healthy meals.
 
2012-09-26 10:31:25 AM

jimb213: It's really easy to eat 5000 calories in a day, but its really difficult to burn 5000 calories a day.


It's about satiety. You think it's easy? Try consuming 5000 calories' worth of butter, and only butter, in one day.

A 20oz bottle of Coke has 275 calories in the form of 75g of sugar. The calories aren't a HUGE amount, but it sates you about as well as water. You can easily eat your 1500-2500 calories in the form of meals and tack on the sugar like it's nothing. Your body evolved to store extra calories, so the tacked-on calories result in tacked-on fat.

One cup of heavy whipping cream has about 800 fat calories (IIRC), but it shuts off your hunger like lightning tripping a breaker. In fact the effect is so extreme that. . . well, I've tried it once (stupid college stunt), and it was awful. It sat in my stomach like a lump of lead the entire day. Not that I'd recommend to anyone, but I can't imagine gaining weight consuming only 800 calories a day.
 
2012-09-26 10:35:56 AM
I've always found this kind of interesting. For those who are interested in it, read "Mindless Eating". It's a quick book to read, but fascinating (to me anyways).

Kids get cues about what to eat from their parents. If their parents have bad habits, the kids pick it up, from facial expressions, choices in foods, and what is readily available on tables and counters. That's why if the parent is overweight, the kids will most likely be, as well.

On top of that, the cheapness of carbohydrate loaded food and fatty foods compared to fresh produce and the like is also a culprit. I have a sibling that has a family on government assistance, and you can't buy produce without sacrificing in other areas as far as amounts that will see your family through for a longer period of time. So I can also understand that. I wonder what the percentage of obesity in people at poverty level or just above vs those above/into wealthier incomes is... that might be kinda interesting to know.
 
2012-09-26 10:39:05 AM
Really? Why do parents, raised in an age of self entitlement and the first true fast food generation that lack self-control and discipline, reproduce and teach their kids the same set of "values"? Really?
 
2012-09-26 10:41:10 AM

fireclown: jimb213: I disagree. It's much more about how much food you eat. It's really easy to eat 5000 calories in a day, but its really difficult to burn 5000 calories a day. Yes, physical activity plays a role (especially when you consider overall health and fitness), but being not-fat is probably 80% what you eat.

I dunno. 5000 calories is about seven double quarter pounders with cheeseLink. That's a lot 'o eatin.

/I agree with you about not eating like an elephant though.


Yeah, I just pulled some large number out of my butt. But when you add 500 or 1000 calories of soda per day, and maybe a nice piece of cheesecake after dinner, and a bunch of chips between meals, maybe a milkshake at lunch, large fries with each meal... it's really easy to get waaaay too many calories. And to burn a serious amount of calories through exercise, you pretty much have to be an elite athlete and train for hours. 30 minutes or an hour on a treadmill (a fairly typical "trying to lose weight" exercise) will burn the equivalent of a coke or two. To lose weight, it's much more effective to not put those excess calories in your body in the first place. Then use exercise as a tool to improve your strength, endurance, flexibility, and overall fitness.
 
2012-09-26 10:42:04 AM
Because the parents are fat.
 
2012-09-26 10:42:29 AM
Is this the thread that I go to to get parenting advice from kids in their 20's who have no children?
 
2012-09-26 10:43:43 AM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


raw almonds, they are usually 3.99 a pound or so and a small handful is rather filling, just have some water nearby as they will probably make you a little thirsty.
 
2012-09-26 10:46:41 AM
I think a lot of working parents just give up and give their kids whatever they will eat for dinner. Also, I think a lot of parents pacify their kids with food like whenever their child is crying or upset they give them something to eat to calm them down.

I know my wife and I have been guilty of just giving in at times. What we ended up doing was making sure we have plenty of decent leftovers and frozen veggies that way on the days when we've both been sitting in traffic for 2 hours _before_ picking up an exhausted and cranky toddler and 6 month old we have a plan to get a halfway decent meal on the table.
 
2012-09-26 10:48:40 AM

mod3072: Is this the thread that I go to to get parenting advice from kids in their 20's who have no children?


Hey man, some of those "kids" are grad students. GRAD STUDENTS!!!!
 
2012-09-26 10:49:07 AM

mod3072: Is this the thread that I go to to get parenting advice from kids in their 20's who have no children?


But they do live in their mom's basement so technically they are just on the receiving end of the parenting.
 
2012-09-26 10:50:20 AM
Recently lost 75lbs and still dropping. Why the weight loss now instead of 25 or 30 years ago? I was born in the late 60s, raised by off the boat Germans who left behind a Dairy Farm in East Germany in the late 40s. I was given farm hand portions, and it was all East German cooking.
Of course I knew 5, 10, and 20 years ago that the way I eat was wrong, but, I was trained to crave what I craved. Breads, Meats, Starches, Dairy.. and lots of it. I was trained to eat farm hand portions even tho there was no farm to work.
My friends eat right. I see them do it. But for some reason, I could not. I had "will power". I dieted. Nothing clicked. Nothing stuck.

What changed it? Going Raw Vegan and Juicing it. I did it for 30 days. Rewired the way my body wanted food, and rewired how I thought about food. I lost 30lbs in 30 days. 2 months off the fast, lost another 10 pounds. Decided to do another 30 days of Raw Vegan Juicing.. lost another 30 pounds. Now, about a month out from the last fast, I lost another 5 pounds and that is from eating "normally".

Now, I don't crave sugar, bread, starches, meats etc.. Portions are now smaller and normal. It took taking my intake to it's most basic level.. nothing but raw plant matter, to change me.

That's it.

CSS
 
2012-09-26 10:52:13 AM
Fat, undisciplined, ignorant parents raising fat, undisciplined ignorant kids?

cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2012-09-26 10:53:52 AM
Whenever the lazy-eyed cashier at the local grocery tries to flirt with me and asks if I have any kids (again) she always mentions how she has to buy all her kids different foods or else they wont eat. She apparently makes at least 3 kinds of dinners a night just to keep them happy. I say bollocks to that. That's what I say.
 
2012-09-26 11:02:40 AM
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2012-09-26 11:02:45 AM
My son, who is 8, was snacking too much around the house. My family has a propensity to be bigger than we should be, so I have to watch it. A few months ago I caught my son raiding the cookie jar (again) and told him to take it easy or he was going to get fat (he's a thick kid, but not fat). Well, long story short he said something about that at school as a joke and his teacher overheard. Next thing I know, the school counselor calls me in to give me parenting lessons on sensitivity and tries to tell me that "God makes some children larger than others and we shouldn't hurt their feeling or make fun of them". This counselor, who is probably a size 14, was dumbfounded when I told her someone should love her enough to tell her to put the cookies down. Sometimes tough love is good love.
 
2012-09-26 11:04:38 AM

Too Pretty For Prison: My son, who is 8, was snacking too much around the house. My family has a propensity to be bigger than we should be, so I have to watch it. A few months ago I caught my son raiding the cookie jar (again) and told him to take it easy or he was going to get fat (he's a thick kid, but not fat). Well, long story short he said something about that at school as a joke and his teacher overheard. Next thing I know, the school counselor calls me in to give me parenting lessons on sensitivity and tries to tell me that "God makes some children larger than others and we shouldn't hurt their feeling or make fun of them". This counselor, who is probably a size 14, was dumbfounded when I told her someone should love her enough to tell her to put the cookies down. Sometimes tough love is good love.


I would never make it as far as even going to the school. I'd tell the counselor to fark off and mind his own business on the phone.
 
2012-09-26 11:11:04 AM

Too Pretty For Prison: This counselor, who is probably a size 14, was dumbfounded when I told her someone should love her enough to tell her to put the cookies down. Sometimes tough love is good love.


that's farking awesome

/of course, now she'll hate you forever
 
2012-09-26 11:23:33 AM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


Rice cakes. They store well, are low calorie and are delicious.
 
2012-09-26 11:24:59 AM

strangeluck: It's a good question.

I didn't say it, but I wanted to whack her across her face and say "You're the parent, try setting an example for your daughter. Make her exercise, eat right and help her loose weight."


Maybe she needs to teach her how to lose weight instead of trying to convey how tightly or loosely her weight is held together?
 
2012-09-26 11:26:17 AM

Clearance for Clarence: Rice cakes are delicious.


LIES
 
2012-09-26 11:29:41 AM
Letting your kid eat junk food. Check
Feeding you kid prepared meals that are just heated up in the microwave. Check
Not knowing how to say NO to your kid. Check
Letting your kid park himself in front of the TV all day and night, Check
Being unable to say: "Go outside nad play and get out of my hair." Check

Get grows into a lard-ass.

"OMG! What did I do wrong!?!?!"
 
2012-09-26 11:42:31 AM
If your child is fat, it's all your fault. You are the parent, you are in control of what your child eats when they're at home. I don't care how tired you are or how busy, you need to make the time to prepare healthy food. If you have to, do all your cooking for the week on the weekend, like casseroles and freeze it, then you just have to pop it in the oven on weeknights. And don't offer treats as comfort, that's a big problem. Then the kid comes to equate sweets with comfort and that begins a whole cycle of eating that is hard to stop. Also, just don't buy the crap, don't have it in your house. I know you say "but I like that stuff, I'm an adult", but your kids don't have the willpower yet to not eat it and if they're hungry, they'll eat whatever is handy. Keep your kitchen stocked with fruits, veggies, milk, etc. If they get hungry enough, they'll eat it. I know, I have two children, my husband and I both work full time, and both my kids are thin. Plus, they have almost always walked or rode their bikes everywhere, so they are doing what kids should do - be active, outside!
 
2012-09-26 11:53:34 AM

Too Pretty For Prison: My son, who is 8, was snacking too much around the house. My family has a propensity to be bigger than we should be, so I have to watch it. A few months ago I caught my son raiding the cookie jar (again) and told him to take it easy or he was going to get fat (he's a thick kid, but not fat). Well, long story short he said something about that at school as a joke and his teacher overheard. Next thing I know, the school counselor calls me in to give me parenting lessons on sensitivity and tries to tell me that "God makes some children larger than others and we shouldn't hurt their feeling or make fun of them". This counselor, who is probably a size 14, was dumbfounded when I told her someone should love her enough to tell her to put the cookies down. Sometimes tough love is good love.


School counselors are probably among the most useless people on the planet. Relatively low IQ's, narcissistic personalities who get their sense of self worth from being able to push children around.
 
2012-09-26 12:09:24 PM

WhippingBoy: Too Pretty For Prison: My son, who is 8, was snacking too much around the house. My family has a propensity to be bigger than we should be, so I have to watch it. A few months ago I caught my son raiding the cookie jar (again) and told him to take it easy or he was going to get fat (he's a thick kid, but not fat). Well, long story short he said something about that at school as a joke and his teacher overheard. Next thing I know, the school counselor calls me in to give me parenting lessons on sensitivity and tries to tell me that "God makes some children larger than others and we shouldn't hurt their feeling or make fun of them". This counselor, who is probably a size 14, was dumbfounded when I told her someone should love her enough to tell her to put the cookies down. Sometimes tough love is good love.

School counselors are probably among the most useless people on the planet. Relatively low IQ's, narcissistic personalities who get their sense of self worth from being able to push children around.


And you apparently need a master's just to be one.
 
2012-09-26 12:10:58 PM
The same reason many people have kids in general - they are losers who want at least someone to look up to them, and/or need them.

Disciplining puts that adoration at risk.
 
2012-09-26 12:11:25 PM

Liese: Clearance for Clarence: Rice cakes are delicious.

LIES


They're not bad with mayonnaise...
 
2012-09-26 12:17:04 PM
Quick story and then I'll read the thread: I saw a kid the other day riding his bike around the town park. He was kind of chubby, so I thought, Good for you, fat kid. Go ride that bike. Then I noticed that he had something in his hands--a bag from the KFC nearby. He rode his bike to one of the picnic tables, sat down, and chowed on his food. All by himself, sitting in the park and eating. And I"m pretty sure it wasn't because he'd missed lunch.

This was in a very small town--the kids are allowed to run the streets freely, and I'm sure their parents give them money sometimes. What are you going to do when your kid eats a bunch of crap, then comes home and eats the same healthy meal that everyone else does? Psst--they aren't going to tell you. Most kids that are ambulatory have access to crap food all day long. And if you think you're going to keep a person with a food addiction away from crappy food, you've never dealt with a person with an addiction.
 
2012-09-26 12:23:59 PM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


Nuts: Macadamia, almonds, walnuts. Preferably not roasted in any nasty vegetable oils.
 
2012-09-26 12:31:41 PM

SweetRoisinDubh: The Fiber One brownies are really great


LIES. They are horrendous and taste like cardboard.
 
2012-09-26 12:33:47 PM
I got fat at about age 12 and even though my parents saw it happening, they didn't address it. They themselves were also getting fat at about the same time.

I think it's different for every family. One of my brothers was never fat, and the other one was fat when we were younger but is thin now.

The reason I'm not thin yet is because I still use food to deal with anxiety. I learned this at a young age from my parents, who do it too.

The reason they didn't get fat until they were older is because the food environment changed in the late 80s/early 90s - portion sizes got larger, everything was injected with corn syrup, etc. We got fat when the food changed. Also, my dad quit smoking around then and promptly gained 20 pounds. So we all gained together.

My parents aren't bad parents. Sometimes I'd like to blame them for my weight but they were doing the best they could. No one talked about "emotional eating" back then or at least when they did, they didn't mention it in conjunction with anxiety. I am learning about it now that I am an adult and I am working to change my ways, but it's really difficult. I've learned to deal with the world by eating for every emotion. I am fundamentally changing the way that I interact with my body and the world around me.

It's not as simple as knowing what to eat.

/CSB
//only 30 pounds overweight, certainly not morbidly obese
 
2012-09-26 12:34:55 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: Sometimes tough love is good love.


My dad called me fat when I was 12. It made my cry, and I told him I was going to be a vegetarian from then on because it was healthier. I'm now 29 and have been about 100 lbs and 5'2" since I was 13. Sometimes you need to tell your kid that it is fat.
 
2012-09-26 12:36:20 PM

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Also, just don't buy the crap, don't have it in your house


There have been some studies to suggest that it's not terrible to have some in the house; just make sure that you don't have too much. It's one thing if you can physically avoid all junk food and chocolate, but we must be honest with ourselves - the majority of us can't. If you've got it in the house on a regular basis, then you are less likely to binge on it than if you don't. I'll see if I can track any down.

My thought is that if I can't avoid sweets or chocolates, then at the very least, I can make my own stuff that is fresh or natural, minimal preservatives and artificial sweeteners, that sort of thing.
 
2012-09-26 12:58:10 PM
Gavin, that comment is only if you've tried everything else to keep your kids, or yourself, from eating a lot of crap. It might not work for everyone, but if you're desperate, you do what you have to do. Out of sight, out of mind, being the operative phrase. And I understand that you can't control what your kids eat when they're not with you, but you can control how they think about food starting from when they're babies. Don't force them to finish their plates, don't force them to eat if they're not hungry, don't use food as a reward or comfort, offer healthy alternatives, and most important, have a good attitude about food yourself, you are the best example of how to eat well.
 
2012-09-26 01:02:22 PM

sweetmelissa31: Too Pretty For Prison: Sometimes tough love is good love.

My dad called me fat when I was 12. It made my cry, and I told him I was going to be a vegetarian from then on because it was healthier. I'm now 29 and have been about 100 lbs and 5'2" since I was 13. Sometimes you need to tell your kid that it is fat.


Same. Tenth grade, I was 6'1 and 190lbs. I was eating a sandwich at the kitchen counter and Dad came over and pinched a handful of flab on my side, laughed at me, and called me chubby. Traumatizing. I lost thirty pounds that month and have been moderately anorexic ever since. Twelve years later I'm still a stick figure.

Also, I like how the article gives numbers for how many calories you should eat without taking any variables into consideration at all. You can't generalize that much and then provide a specific number. It's not informative or even correct.
 
2012-09-26 01:18:33 PM

BigBooper: Having a kid is a huge responsibility. If your not prepared to give up pretty much everything you enjoy to have a baby, then don't have kids.
And parents, we have to stop pushing our choice on our childless friends. Just the opposite, let them know the truth. Having a baby consumes your life; your time, your money, your sleep, and sometimes your sanity. Lets not push our choice on our friends.


I tell every expecting couple I meet the same thing. The first 6 months are a living hell. All work, no reward. The child can't interact in a meaningful way so you pour all your effort into keeping the child clean, warm, fed and comfortable. And you know what you get back? More poop, late night feedings and crying. It gets better when they start smiling and when they are potty trained it actually gets pretty fun.
 
2012-09-26 01:53:06 PM
Parent of a 2 yr old toddler and currently a SAHM...

One parent can also sabotage the efforts of the other...I don't buy sweets or soda or junk food...my husband does. I cook meals with the intention that there will be leftovers...he eats everything left in the pots by the end of the night (e.g. - 3/4 of a 5 lb. chicken, 1/2 a veggie lasagne). He's also a fast food junkie, even when I pack homemade food for him. His mother started working while he was in grade school and he was basically allowed to eat whatever and however much he wanted (lots of frozen dinners) and spend his allowance on candy/soda. I'm hoping my son won't pick up his eating habits (or his drinking habits - 6 beers in a sitting and not drunk). My husband has a superfast metabolism, so he's only about 15-20 lbs overweight, but it's still not a good example to set.

Also, we're broke, so there's probably more carbs involved in our diet than there should be, even if they are whole-grain. I use a fair amount of frozen veggies and cheaper fresh fruit/veggies, but it's still pricey, particularly with a husband who will eat 2-3 lbs of whatever is in front of him at the time.

Even when you are stay-at-home and conscientious, it's not always easy to feed a family or get everyone to cooperate.
 
2012-09-26 02:00:59 PM

006deluxe: Seems like an appropriate thread for this question; Can anyone suggest any healthy snack foods that I can leave at my desk at work that are reasonably cheap? I had been buying a bag of apples to keep at work and snack on throughout the week, but that got a bit old after a few awhile so I want to mix things up a bit.


I bring baby carrots to work to eat mid-morning and keep almonds at my desk for an energy boost in the afternoon.
 
2012-09-26 02:02:45 PM

SquiggsIN: Steps 5 and 6 should be going organic


Why? There's nothing healthier about organic foods.
 
2012-09-26 02:03:37 PM

TaterTot_HotDish: I got fat at about age 12 and even though my parents saw it happening, they didn't address it care. They themselves were also getting fat at about the same time.

I think it's different for every family. One of my brothers was never fat, and the other one was fat when we were younger but is thin now.

The reason I'm not thin yet fat is because I still use food to deal with anxiety. I learned this to use this as an excuse at a young age from my parents, who do it too.

The reason they didn't get fat until they were older is because the food environment changed their metabolism slowed down as they got older, and in the late 80s/early 90s - portion sizes got larger, everything was injected with corn syrup, etc. and they were not capable of simply eating LESS. We got fat when the food changed we ate way more calories than our bodies could burn. Also, my dad quit smoking around then and promptly gained 20 pounds. So we all gained together used that as another excuse to stuff our faces and sit on our asses.


My parents aren't bad parents. Sometimes I'd like to blame them for my weight but they were doing the best they could. as an adult, I know I am the one responsible for my body composition. No one talked about "emotional eating" wasn't a popular excuse back then or at least when they did, they didn't mention it in conjunction with anxiety. I am learning about it now that I am an adult some personal discipline, finally, and I am working to change my ways, but it's really difficult accepting the fact that my actions have consequences. I've learned to deal with the world by eating for every emotion. I am fundamentally changing the way that I interact with my body and the world around me, and if I maintain personal discipline, continue to educate myself about food, and make the right choices, I will finally achieve a body composition that will improve my longevity, and my over all quality of life.

It's not as simple as knowing what to eat. It also takes discipline, which I didn't have, and which parents need to instill in their children.

/CSB
//only 30 pounds overweight, certainly not morbidly obese

 


FTFY

Good luck.
 
2012-09-26 02:05:30 PM
Some people let their kids eat whatever the hell they want, when they want. I'm assuming that's part of the problem.

My mother didn't let us (4 kids) do that, mostly because she was on a pretty tight budget and couldn't afford it. We weren't allowed to hoover up as much food as we could. And she cooked dinner almost every night. Real food, not frozen dinners or takeout pizza.

Today, none of us are what I would call obese. A few of us have a few extra pounds (10-15, maybe), but nothing like the super-sized people I see waddling around all the time.
 
2012-09-26 02:05:51 PM

AverysDad: strangeluck: It's a good question.

I didn't say it, but I wanted to whack her across her face and say "You're the parent, try setting an example for your daughter. Make her exercise, eat right and help her loose weight."

Maybe she needs to teach her how to lose weight instead of trying to convey how tightly or loosely her weight is held together?


THANK YOU.

I seriously don't understand why the difference between lose/loose is so hard to grasp. I've been seeing loose in place of lose a lot lately.
 
2012-09-26 02:17:11 PM

Kali-Ma: Parent of a 2 yr old toddler and currently a SAHM...

One parent can also sabotage the efforts of the other...I don't buy sweets or soda or junk food...my husband does. I cook meals with the intention that there will be leftovers...he eats everything left in the pots by the end of the night (e.g. - 3/4 of a 5 lb. chicken, 1/2 a veggie lasagne).
Even when you are stay-at-home and conscientious, it's not always easy to feed a family or get everyone to cooperate.


As someone who experienced this, I found that packing the leftovers away immediately helped a lot..he'd pick at it if it was there but not go to the effort of unwrapping/re-heating it.
 
2012-09-26 02:24:03 PM
What do you get when you guzzle down sweets?

Eating as much as an elephant eats.

What are you at getting terribly fat?

What do you think will come of that?

I don't like the look of it.
 
2012-09-26 02:56:52 PM
Blame the parents? Sure, they get some of the blame. But, I would put more blame on society as a whole, primarily on the sedentary lifestyle that more and more people lead in combination with the cheapness and easy access of so much junk food and processed food. And I find it hard to blame the parents when they are living the same lifestyle that their children are living.
 
2012-09-26 03:10:07 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: TaterTot_HotDish: I got fat at about age 12 and even though my parents saw it happening, they didn't address it care. They themselves were also getting fat at about the same time.

I think it's different for every family. One of my brothers was never fat, and the other one was fat when we were younger but is thin now.

The reason I'm not thin yet fat is because I still use food to deal with anxiety. I learned this to use this as an excuse at a young age from my parents, who do it too.

The reason they didn't get fat until they were older is because the food environment changed their metabolism slowed down as they got older, and in the late 80s/early 90s - portion sizes got larger, everything was injected with corn syrup, etc. and they were not capable of simply eating LESS. We got fat when the food changed we ate way more calories than our bodies could burn. Also, my dad quit smoking around then and promptly gained 20 pounds. So we all gained together used that as another excuse to stuff our faces and sit on our asses.


My parents aren't bad parents. Sometimes I'd like to blame them for my weight but they were doing the best they could. as an adult, I know I am the one responsible for my body composition. No one talked about "emotional eating" wasn't a popular excuse back then or at least when they did, they didn't mention it in conjunction with anxiety. I am learning about it now that I am an adult some personal discipline, finally, and I am working to change my ways, but it's really difficult accepting the fact that my actions have consequences. I've learned to deal with the world by eating for every emotion. I am fundamentally changing the way that I interact with my body and the world around me, and if I maintain personal discipline, continue to educate myself about food, and make the right choices, I will finally achieve a body composition that will improve my longevity, and my over all quality of life.

It's not as simple as knowin ...



huh. must be nice to live in your world: all thin people are automatically better, more diligent, and more hardworking than fat people. Maybe when I'm thin I'll move there.
 
2012-09-26 03:32:33 PM
You have to set a good example.

Diet and exercise.

Tat'dGreaser: enderthexenocide: i have a cousin who is about 20 years old now and he must weight 300 pounds. he's enormous. his mother (my aunt) is not the most caring or understanding parent in the world, so i could point to his white trash upbringing as the source of his weight problem. but the thing is, he's not an only child. his sister is about 22 or so and she is thin and healthy, and his younger brother is 18 or so and he's normal size, maybe just a bit overweight. they all have the same mother and father and were raised the same, so why is he so gigantic and his siblings aren't? i don't get it.

Gee I don't know, food?


Nature AND nurture
 
2012-09-26 03:59:49 PM

brigid_fitch: It still depends on your body type. I'm 6-foot and big-boned. When I was 188, I looked positively skeletal. Also, when I stood up too quickly, I'd get dizzy. Now I'm 206--cheeks & collarbone no longer protrude as much and I don't get dizzy.


Very few people are truly "big boned". For 90+% of the population, BMI is correct.

Havokmon: My 15 yr old son is 140lbs - I was 160 at that age, but I was doing 45lb curls per arm and more active.


I doubt you were curling 45 lb dumbbells each arm at age 15. Especially at 160 lb, unless you were 5 feet tall.
 
2012-09-26 04:17:12 PM

machoprogrammer: brigid_fitch: It still depends on your body type. I'm 6-foot and big-boned. When I was 188, I looked positively skeletal. Also, when I stood up too quickly, I'd get dizzy. Now I'm 206--cheeks & collarbone no longer protrude as much and I don't get dizzy.

Very few people are truly "big boned". For 90+% of the population, BMI is correct.

Havokmon: My 15 yr old son is 140lbs - I was 160 at that age, but I was doing 45lb curls per arm and more active.

I doubt you were curling 45 lb dumbbells each arm at age 15. Especially at 160 lb, unless you were 5 feet tall.


Hmm now that I think about it, we're both right. I COULD do it, but it wasn't 3 sets of 12 reps. I could do 1 rep of 50lbs.
I didn't mean to imply that. My friend did call my biceps 'tumors' though, cause I had a nice bump on top of them. :)
We were using the 'positive/negative failure' method of building muscle.
 
2012-09-26 04:43:52 PM

brigid_fitch: 3-5 hours/day shopping and making food? What kind of cooking did you grow up on, upscale French cuisine? Shop for the week on a weekend, cook 5-6 meals, and freeze them.


Pretty easy to do if you lived in a rural area where the nearest supermarket was 10 miles away.
And if you grew your veggies or shopped 'fruit stands'. That would include picking veggies, feeding chickens, gathering eggs, tending the garden, canning excess veggie, making biscuits w/gravy, or pancakes, every morning from scratch, making lunch, starting yeast rolls rise in time for dinner, going to butcher for fresh meat, all those peas and beans you got from the garden or truck-farmer---shell them by hand, fried okra means you have to individually slice and batter them, mash potatoes--again peel and from scratch; Then everything gets cooked for the main dinner, and plated in serving dishes for a sit down meal, same for summer lunches, and the dishes had to be washed by hand. And start a loaf of bread every other day to make in the morning to make sandwiches for lunch, a ham would take 3 hours to cook and sliced by hand for sandwiches..etc..etc. Snack food was limited to hand full of potato chips, and sweets would be handmade. The freezer was strictly for cow you had butchered. And you'd be cleaning the kitchen 3 times a day..breakfast,lunch, dinner (were at least the kids would help wash dishes)...TV was limited for the kids to 1-2 hours a night. Casseroles might get frozen..and spaghetti sauce. Even tho that sounds like a fattening diet, you ate mostly veggies and played outside.
 
2012-09-26 05:10:09 PM

TaterTot_HotDish: Hagenhatesyouall: TaterTot_HotDish:

huh. must be nice to live in your world: all thin people are automatically better, more diligent, and more hardworking than fat people. Maybe when I'm thin I'll move there.



Is it easier or harder to run fast in order to avoid getting shot as a fat person, or a thin person?

Who is going to have more energy to remain diligent after climbing a mountain, the thin or fat person?

You wouldn't be able live in "my world", nor would you want to.

Focus on fixing "your world", and work to create the body you are supposed to have. You owe it to yourself, and your family.

I wish you luck on your journey.
 
2012-09-26 06:14:24 PM

TaterTot_HotDish: The reason I'm not thin yet is because I still use food to deal with anxiety.


My neighbor's kid: Why does uncle Barkey smoke?
My neighbor: He smokes because he's nervous.
The kid: What's he nervous about?
 
2012-09-26 08:04:36 PM
Give me a break - dinosaurs are big boned, people are just fat.
 
2012-09-26 08:17:26 PM
Please, subby... Give me a break!

Have you seen how parents raise their kids nowadays? Your kid's misbehaving? Bribe him with a trip to McDonald's. Your kid's sad or in a foul mood? Take him to Chucky Cheese. Your kid's feeling a little peckish because he hasn't eaten since lunch and it's still an hour before you're going out to dinner at Red Lobster? Give him a bag of candy or some chocolate chip cookies to hold him over. Your kid's thirsty after being outside for 10 minutes? Give him a can of soda or a sugary juice box. Your kid need a late night snack to keep him from being hungry at bedtime? Heat up some Hot Pockets for him, and let him wash it down with a chocolate milk.
 
2012-09-26 09:16:28 PM
I eat mostly raw fruits and veggies, and some nuts and seeds for lunch at work. My (obese) boss teases me about it and says my desk looks like a fruit stand, and says that I eat goat food.

Then she eats her gigantic-sized cinnamon roll.

Later she tells me, "I wish I could eat like you."

???Why the hell can't you???
 
2012-09-27 02:20:41 AM

Dogfacedgod: I farking HATE fat people. They smell, they gross me out, and they generally breathe with their mouth open. The sad farking part about it is it is all preventable and fixable with just a little discipline and a lifestyle change. But Nooooooooo, they want to look like shiat because double cheeseburgers are for brefkiss.

Harpoon their asses and sell off their blubber.


Couldn't have said it better myself bro! They stink and they're stupid. Makes me wanna puke.
 
2012-09-27 02:43:58 AM
Kill Fatty: A Modestly Sized ProposalOctober 13, 2009

Overweight people are farking abhorrent, which seems like an obvious and uncontroversial statement, but you cannot turn your head these days without gawking at the vile cascades of shapeless distended flesh that ubiquitously engulf your grotesque countrymen.

Look at these nauseating statistics:
1.33 percent of Americans are overweight, according to the federal government.
2.Another 34 percent are obese, which is even worse.
3.Six percent are "extremely obese," which is code for "must be airlifted by helicopter to leave their goddamned trailers."
4.Nearly a fifth of American children are overweight, three times more than in 1994 when the Internet replaced playing outside, and by "outside" I mean "Super Nintendo Entertainment System."
The horrendous bovine masses cost the rest of us $147 billion per year, twice as much as a decade ago, which is more than enough to cover a universal health care system for people who do not plan on dying from a heart attack by the time they reach the ripe old age of thirty-six. These repulsive fat farks require 41 percent higher medical costs on average, which screws everybody who does not get horny at the thought of KFC's unholy Double Down sandwich. (No bread! Just fried chicken, cheese and bacon! As fatty as three Big Macs! This is exactly why George Washington and Thomas Jefferson risked their farking lives to give Americans freedom!)

We are squandering the precious remnants of our broken economy to keep these worthless sacks of shiat alive; it's not as if they cover their disproportionate share of the tab, which would require actually getting off their colossal asses. Public health experts have proposed taxes on soda and unhealthy food to curb this epidemic, but their "solutions" are a load of ineffective, half-assed bullshiat. Zoning restrictions on fast food "restaurants" and mandatory nutrition labeling have likewise failed; you cannot save people from themselves, especially when they have zero respect for their physical appearance and estimated lifespan.

We are Rome in decadent, self-indulgent decline. The corpulent hordes are never going to willingly sacrifice their extravagant caloric intake-even if it costs a few cents more-which leaves a solitary, mildly objectionable option:

We need to kill the fatties. We need to kill the fatties as soon as humanly possible.

Abandon your sentimental, weak-willed "conscience" and listen to reason; it is imperative-nay, moral-that we purge citizens who refuse to binge and purge. There must be no gutlessness when it comes to eradicating the guts amongst our numbers, no cowardice when it comes to culling our cellulite-ridden comrades. No middle ground exists in this War to the Death; it's either them or us, the Überskinnies or the Högfuchs. Are you on the side of Good Angelic Temperance or Evil Rotund Scum?

You might bristle at the logistics of implementing a modern holocaust of the flabby-bellied untermensch, especially coming from a Jew like myself. Admittedly it raises many questions: can we construct ovens large enough to enclose the average Midwestern family? Would pollution from the smokestacks contribute to global warming more or less than the red meat-heavy diets of these incurable beasts with human faces? And if obesity is genetic, wouldn't this glorious and economical scheme to slaughter the hedonistic chunky swine amount to genocide?

Answer: pretty much, yeah, which is why we should take a cue from our genocidal forefathers and force the overweight onto reservations where no decent person has to look at them anymore.

"Marty," you say, "why do we need to kill the fatties when we can simply work them down to a respectable size in the 'condensation camps'? Isn't slave labor a fantastic workout, especially when you are not fed for weeks at a time?" WELL, FRIEND, JUSTICE MEANS PURE farkING JUSTICE, AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

"Marty," you say, "won't the fatties eat themselves to death anyway?" OF COURSE, BUT NOT SOON ENOUGH FOR MY "TASTE."

"Marty," you say, "what about the fatties who righteously despise themselves and try to lose weight but cannot regardless of their efforts, or who lack access to a gym? They deserve mercy, yes?" TRUE CONFESSION: AFTER COLLEGE I PUT ON 40 POUNDS FROM DRINKING TOO MUCH BEER. YOU KNOW HOW I LOST IT ALL? A PULL-UP BAR, RUNNING SHOES AND SELF-CONTROL; IT'S NOT farkING DIFFICULT. NO GODDAMNED MERCY!

Another excellent question is: how much excess poundage qualifies a whale for extermination?

This is tricky because the Body Mass Index, a formula created 180 years ago that divides weight by height, is a flawed and obsolete indicator of health despite its continued widespread use, as it fails to differentiate between weight from fat and weight from muscle. We need a more precise technique to separate the wheat of society from the chaff of obesity. (According to Wikipedia, chaff is "a waste material ploughed into the soil or burnt," and I could not agree more.) Here is an example of such a progressive method: throw the fatties into the farking ocean; if they float, shoot them immediately. If they don't float, who gives a shiat?

Naturally you might be thinking and/or screaming: "This is elitism! This is classism! This would disproportionately harm the poor, you snide judgmental out-of-touch city-slicker bastard!"

While it's true that underprivileged citizens have higher rates of obesity than the prosperous, which is basically the definition of irony, it's not necessarily because they are underprivileged. An Extra Value Meal costs approximately $6.00 and contains as many as 1,550 calories. Let's try an experiment called Going to the farking Grocery Store!

My grocery store had chicken on sale for $2.50 per pound; one-third of a pound is a decent serving size, so that's $.83 for the meat course. A bag of spinach was $2.50 and contained two servings, so that's $1.25 for an antioxidant-loaded vegetable. A box of vitamin-enriched rice was $1.15 and had three servings, so that's $.38. Holy shiat, I just created a healthy meal, totaling fewer than 300 calories-which takes twenty minutes to cook, by the way, not exactly a massive burden-for less than $2.50, NOT EVEN HALF THE PRICE OF A FECAL VALUE MEAL. You cannot blame the poor for their poverty-due to the recession everyone is poor, including billionaires-but there is no excuse for laziness and therefore obesity.

A final consideration is that, after we commence our Final Solution to the Piggy Problem, we will have millions of bloated carcasses lying around, stinking up the place and blocking public transportation (as if the piggies were not guilty of this before we filled the streets with their sodium-clogged, high-fructose blood syrup). Look on the bright side: as soon as scientists figure out how to refine these corpses into oil, we will have a new source of alternative energy that will not deprive the planet of its limited resources. Everybody wins! Except the Högfuchs! Because they were farking executed!

Jesus Christ, I hate fat people.
 
2012-09-27 06:35:07 AM

Buffet: 1.33 percent of Americans are overweight, according to the federal government.


1.33 percent? Well, what were we all getting worked up over?
 
2012-09-27 07:14:50 AM

dragonchild: Buffet: 1.33 percent of Americans are overweight, according to the federal government.

1.33 percent? Well, what were we all getting worked up over?


LMAO.
 
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