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(WWSB ABC 7)   Police chief takes the time to remind homeowners in gated communities that the gates they pay all that extra money for are pretty much useless   (mysuncoast.com) divider line 95
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2012-09-25 09:16:45 PM
Keep your valuables in a huge gun safe that weighs a ton.
Problem solved.
 
Slu
2012-09-25 09:51:53 PM
My Dad lives in a gated community inside a bigger gated community in Florida. It is hilarious. The guards are all about a thousand years old. You could literally walk briskly and evade them.
 
2012-09-25 09:55:28 PM
Wasn't Zimmerman doing a neighborhood watch for a gated community that had a lot of break-ins?
 
2012-09-25 09:56:20 PM

vudukungfu: Keep your valuables in a huge gun safe that weighs a ton.
Problem solved.


A guy I know on a gun forum had a 1000+ pound safe that was bolted to his wall stolen earlier this year. Several dozen guns including a good number of (registered) silencers and a few machine guns were gone. As far as I know they haven't been recovered.
 
2012-09-25 09:57:13 PM

vudukungfu: Keep your valuables in a huge gun safe that weighs a ton.
Problem solved.


Most of my anti-theft solutions involves discreetly bolting valuables down with security screws, heavy furniture (The TV is screwed onto the Oak TV cabinet, which is in turn bolted to the floor.) or the gun safe you mentioned.

Of course, if I ever decide to move, I'd rather sell everything - the costs of moving it all would be prohibitively expensive.

/ If you really want the heavy wooden furniture, knowing how to do woodwork is heaven-sent.
 
2012-09-25 09:58:06 PM

aevert: A guy I know on a gun forum had a 1000+ pound safe that was bolted to his wall stolen earlier this year. Several dozen guns including a good number of (registered) silencers and a few machine guns were gone. As far as I know they haven't been recovered.


The fu---

Seriously?!
 
2012-09-25 10:00:53 PM
As dumb as the vast majority of criminals are, they do generally have a stupidly cunning ability to evaluate risk to reward ratios. Risk goes up phenomenally the more they're exposed on the ground. Prolonged ground exposure for a criminal is bad so, yeah, the gated community provides better protection than non-gated. But the police chief in the article has good points.

Farkin on a golf course, under the stars, however, is good. I recommend it, from well-remembered and appreciated experiences.
 
2012-09-25 10:01:11 PM
A gate is nothing without a wall. And you need good guards (not wal mart greeters) or good cameras. And the latter would probably work better with no gate than a gate without a wall (assuming a few robbers are dumb enough to leave a license plate number visible).
 
2012-09-25 10:04:24 PM
What does a gated community keep out?

Zombies?
 
2012-09-25 10:04:51 PM
hiphopwired.com
It's not for keeping the darkies out, it's for trapping them in. - George Zimmerman
 
2012-09-25 10:05:00 PM
Gated communities are worthless. Gated communities with no solicitation signs at the gate are moderately useful. They keep out ice cream trucks and their demonic music. You can also call the cops on door-to-door salesmen and have them removed for trespassing.

As for real crime? Yeah, they do nothing.
 
2012-09-25 10:06:35 PM

aevert: vudukungfu: Keep your valuables in a huge gun safe that weighs a ton.
Problem solved.

A guy I know on a gun forum had a 1000+ pound safe that was bolted to his wall stolen earlier this year. Several dozen guns including a good number of (registered) silencers and a few machine guns were gone. As far as I know they haven't been recovered.


A safe on the ground floor can be pulled out with a heavy-duty dolly-style lifter.

Generally you should put your gun safe on the second+ floor or in the basement with some stairs that can't take the safe's weight between it and the entrance.

Or, you know, not collect things that organized crime finds particularly desirable in the first place. Pretty sure not having weapons with a full-auto switch won't perceptibly degrade your standard of living unless you are a gangster in the first place.
 
2012-09-25 10:08:53 PM
Yeah uh, I'm a pretty little flower, like a prom date - maybe?
Enjoy the silence, are you for supper?
Turtles. Now lets go dream about little breaded chicken fingers.

Easy as pie to get into a gated community.
 
2012-09-25 10:10:18 PM
As a (thankfully) former HOA president, I think the best thing I did during my tenure was resist the shrill calls that constantly came in to build a fence/gate around our complex. Would have cost us a ton and made us NO safer...it's just security theater. The crime stats from the other complexes nearby that *did* have gates proved this out, but some people just don't listen.
 
2012-09-25 10:11:46 PM
Be weary of grubby looking bicyclist with kiddie carts. Roll and Go.
 
2012-09-25 10:12:10 PM
Zombies can't get through them
 
2012-09-25 10:12:18 PM
I bet people that live in gated communities are really fun to be around.
 
2012-09-25 10:12:55 PM

aevert:
A guy I know on a gun forum had a 1000+ pound safe that was bolted to his wall stolen earlier this year. Several dozen guns including a good number of (registered) silencers and a few machine guns were gone. As far as I know they haven't been recovered.


He works for the DEA, doesn't he?
 
2012-09-25 10:13:42 PM

fusillade762: What does a gated community keep out?

Zombies?


Poor people. Not the criminal sort, but the property value-lowering sort.
 
2012-09-25 10:14:49 PM
Reported by: Trevor Shirley



Is this Ric Romero's new pseudonym?
 
2012-09-25 10:14:59 PM

Jim_Callahan: aevert: vudukungfu: Keep your valuables in a huge gun safe that weighs a ton.
Problem solved.

A guy I know on a gun forum had a 1000+ pound safe that was bolted to his wall stolen earlier this year. Several dozen guns including a good number of (registered) silencers and a few machine guns were gone. As far as I know they haven't been recovered.

A safe on the ground floor can be pulled out with a heavy-duty dolly-style lifter.

Generally you should put your gun safe on the second+ floor or in the basement with some stairs that can't take the safe's weight between it and the entrance.

Or, you know, not collect things that organized crime finds particularly desirable in the first place. Pretty sure not having weapons with a full-auto switch won't perceptibly degrade your standard of living unless you are a gangster in the first place.


I forget the exact story and it looks like the original thread has been deleted, but from what I remember he had shown his collection to a friend he mistakenly trusted. Friend was able to get some help from someone else who had the proper tools and they stole it while he was at work. I'm not sure what floor his safe was on.

Why shouldn't he collect fun guns? Organized crime has much easier ways of getting F/A guns and silencers than taking the time to befriend someone on the off chance they have what they're looking for, form a relationship, and then steal the safe. These aren't the kind of things you advertise owning around town.
 
2012-09-25 10:15:01 PM

lazymojo: I bet people that live in gated communities are really fun to be around.


more fun than the poor people who try to get in.
 
2012-09-25 10:15:06 PM

Jim_Callahan: aevert: vudukungfu: Keep your valuables in a huge gun safe that weighs a ton.
Problem solved.

A guy I know on a gun forum had a 1000+ pound safe that was bolted to his wall stolen earlier this year. Several dozen guns including a good number of (registered) silencers and a few machine guns were gone. As far as I know they haven't been recovered.

A safe on the ground floor can be pulled out with a heavy-duty dolly-style lifter.

Generally you should put your gun safe on the second+ floor or in the basement with some stairs that can't take the safe's weight between it and the entrance.

Or, you know, not collect things that organized crime finds particularly desirable in the first place. Pretty sure not having weapons with a full-auto switch won't perceptibly degrade your standard of living unless you are a gangster in the first place.


After working for Rent-A-Center back in the day, I cringe at the idea of removing a 1000 lb safe using a dolly. I know it's possible but jesus!
 
2012-09-25 10:15:06 PM
As the former prez of an HOA, the worst decision I ever made was to install fences and gates. Cost a lot of money, the gate to the parking lot broke often, and it wasn't unusual to see a car idling by the gate waiting for someone with an opener to open the gate.

Peeps, if you own a condo get your ass on the board. Or at least get on the board. Your HOA can seriously screw your finances over.
 
2012-09-25 10:19:14 PM

Dinjiin: Gated communities are worthless. Gated communities with no solicitation signs at the gate are moderately useful. They keep out ice cream trucks and their demonic music. You can also call the cops on door-to-door salesmen and have them removed for trespassing.

As for real crime? Yeah, they do nothing.


Real crime? Have you seen the prices those guys charge for ice cream?
 
2012-09-25 10:20:05 PM

lantawa: Farkin on a golf course, under the stars, however, is good. I recommend it, from well-remembered and appreciated experiences.


RIMMER: You did it on a golf course, and you weren't a member?
LISTER: 'Course I wasn't.
RIMMER: You didn't pay any green fees or anything?
LISTER: It was just a place to go.
RIMMER: I used to play golf. I hate people who abuse the facilities. I
hope you raked the sand back nicely before you left. That'd be a hell
of a lie to get into, wouldn't it? Competition the next day, and your
ball lands in Lister's buttock crevice. You'd need more than a niblick
to get that one out.
 
2012-09-25 10:23:24 PM
csb...I live in a gated community. The thing about our family that makes us a bit unusual in the community is that we don't really have much of value that can be easily hauled off. My wife hardly has any jewelry. We have precious metals and other collectibles, but we keep them in a vault away from our home. I guess the only thing they might be able to get some decent money for is my stereo system - McIntosh components and Martin Logan speakers - but they'd probably have to have some sort of vehicle to get away with it. Our furniture is pricey as well, but they'd need a moving van and a lot of time to take it.

Our house got broken into a few years ago, but the only things they took were a couple of game consoles, games, and a small container that we put our spare change in. Laptops, iPads and iPods were locked away in our safe (the safe is mounted in the floor in cement) or with us when they broke in. They tried to take one of our TVs off the wall but they gave up. Those bastards must have known the alarm code (we think we know who did it, but the cops couldn't really pin anything on him). We also discovered that our dog isn't a very good watchdog, but we still love her anyway.
 
2012-09-25 10:24:18 PM
I had a coworker who's house was emptied while she was at work a couple of months ago. They took literally everything, even the appliances and bed frames. The neighbors apparently saw the guys loading the truck, thought it was odd that they hadn't mentioned moving, and didn't say anything until the family got home. Not much use making friends with the neighbors if the neighbors are stupid I guess.

/With a couple of guys and a dolly there's really not much you can't move.
 
2012-09-25 10:27:30 PM
My mom just moved into a gated community in Sarasota, one with a small lake. One guy has a paddle boast on the lake and was telling me that he's caught kids trying to steal it twice this year. He finally had to chain it to the dock with a logging chain.
 
2012-09-25 10:29:42 PM

Jim_Callahan: in the basement with some stairs that can't take the safe's weight between it and the entrance


How do you get the safe into the basement without using the stairs that can't take the weight?
 
2012-09-25 10:33:32 PM

KidneyStone: Jim_Callahan: in the basement with some stairs that can't take the safe's weight between it and the entrance

How do you get the safe into the basement without using the stairs that can't take the weight?


Simple: watch as it breaks the stairs, then rebuild the stairs.
 
2012-09-25 10:33:51 PM

Jim_Callahan: Or, you know, not collect things that organized crime finds particularly desirable in the first place.


Which means money, guns, precious metals, jewels, electronics, assorted valuables or anything "nice".
Its a great ideal to live by if you're Diogenes, but I suspect its not going to work for most people.

/Around here they've even been ripping the copper out of peoples walls.
/I don't think there's a bottom tier for most thieves.
 
2012-09-25 10:34:41 PM
Ah, gated communities... taking everything that sucks about HOAs and turning it up to 11.

The folks who host my gaming group live in a gated community. They're changing the (already-onerous) parking rules to make them even more hostile for people who wish to entertain in their homes (and their guests)
 
2012-09-25 10:34:57 PM
As a due paying member of an HOA I freaking LOVE knowing who is knocking at my door. It is worth the $390 a quarter to have armed guards screening visitors. So what if the guards are really creepy?
Plus....pool is pretty nice too.
 
2012-09-25 10:36:58 PM
I live in Florida in a gated community so I am getting a kick................seriously, if you want the gate and fence thing to work you have to have competent guards. We have resident stickers on our cars to get in. If you want friends over you have to provide the guards with a name and they have to show ID when they arrive. Also defeats my personal pet peeve the unannounced drop in. PITA for when you have company but worth it. No burglaries. We had somebody come over the fence and break into some cars but that's about it.

And this

kevinatilusa: fusillade762: What does a gated community keep out?

Zombies?

Poor people. Not the criminal sort, but the property value-lowering sort.

 
2012-09-25 10:38:15 PM
 
2012-09-25 10:39:34 PM

Atomic Spunk: csb...I live in a gated community. The thing about our family that makes us a bit unusual in the community is that we don't really have much of value that can be easily hauled off. My wife hardly has any jewelry. We have precious metals and other collectibles, but we keep them in a vault away from our home. I guess the only thing they might be able to get some decent money for is my stereo system - McIntosh components and Martin Logan speakers - but they'd probably have to have some sort of vehicle to get away with it. Our furniture is pricey as well, but they'd need a moving van and a lot of time to take it.

Our house got broken into a few years ago, but the only things they took were a couple of game consoles, games, and a small container that we put our spare change in. Laptops, iPads and iPods were locked away in our safe (the safe is mounted in the floor in cement) or with us when they broke in. They tried to take one of our TVs off the wall but they gave up. Those bastards must have known the alarm code (we think we know who did it, but the cops couldn't really pin anything on him). We also discovered that our dog isn't a very good watchdog, but we still love her anyway.


McIntosh components aren't of much value? Then why the hefty price tag?

/I kid
//just jealous, really
 
2012-09-25 10:41:26 PM

KidneyStone: Jim_Callahan: in the basement with some stairs that can't take the safe's weight between it and the entrance

How do you get the safe into the basement without using the stairs that can't take the weight?


The transporter in Cargo Bay 2.
 
2012-09-25 10:42:59 PM

Red Shirt Blues: I live in Florida in a gated community so I am getting a kick................seriously, if you want the gate and fence thing to work you have to have competent guards. We have resident stickers on our cars to get in. If you want friends over you have to provide the guards with a name and they have to show ID when they arrive. Also defeats my personal pet peeve the unannounced drop in. PITA for when you have company but worth it. No burglaries. We had somebody come over the fence and break into some cars but that's about it.

And this

kevinatilusa: fusillade762: What does a gated community keep out?

Zombies?

Poor people. Not the criminal sort, but the property value-lowering sort.


I bet the illegal alien gardeners just show up in a landscaping truck and are waved right on thru.

Ditto for Fed-Ex, UPS, and USPS.
 
2012-09-25 10:44:07 PM

A Gentile in Boca: As a due paying member of an HOA I freaking LOVE knowing who is knocking at my door. It is worth the $390 a quarter to have armed guards screening visitors. So what if the guards are really creepy?
Plus....pool is pretty nice too.


Yep... You definitely sound like the type of jackass that lives in a gated community. Armed guards, eh? What they gonna do, shoot anyone who tries to trespass? 390 bucks a quarter, wow, you really are a sucker.
 
2012-09-25 10:45:26 PM
sounds like a super fun place to live, if you're a mushroom.

"What does a gated community keep out? If somebody wants to get in they're gonna get in," said homeowner George Soderberg, who always takes precautions even though he and his wife live in a gated community. "We lock all the doors and windows, obviously, we generally shut the blinds," said Soderberg.
 
2012-09-25 10:47:04 PM

geoduck42: lantawa: Farkin on a golf course, under the stars, however, is good. I recommend it, from well-remembered and appreciated experiences.

RIMMER: You did it on a golf course, and you weren't a member?
LISTER: 'Course I wasn't.
RIMMER: You didn't pay any green fees or anything?
LISTER: It was just a place to go.
RIMMER: I used to play golf. I hate people who abuse the facilities. I
hope you raked the sand back nicely before you left. That'd be a hell
of a lie to get into, wouldn't it? Competition the next day, and your
ball lands in Lister's buttock crevice. You'd need more than a niblick
to get that one out.


Have embarrassed myself laughing very loudly at this in a very quiet office.
 
2012-09-25 10:47:55 PM
Wait, so if hordes of poor people want to take suburbanite's stuff, they can just do it?
 
2012-09-25 10:54:12 PM
I have a gate in front of my driveway in my LOWER middle-class neighborhood (i.e., the meth-heads are two blocks over).

The bike lock I use to secure the two gate halves is of sturdier metal than the gate.

Makes me feel good, though.
 
2012-09-25 10:54:42 PM

mcreadyblue: Red Shirt Blues: I live in Florida in a gated community so I am getting a kick................seriously, if you want the gate and fence thing to work you have to have competent guards. We have resident stickers on our cars to get in. If you want friends over you have to provide the guards with a name and they have to show ID when they arrive. Also defeats my personal pet peeve the unannounced drop in. PITA for when you have company but worth it. No burglaries. We had somebody come over the fence and break into some cars but that's about it.

And this

kevinatilusa: fusillade762: What does a gated community keep out?

Zombies?

Poor people. Not the criminal sort, but the property value-lowering sort.

I bet the illegal alien gardeners just show up in a landscaping truck and are waved right on thru.
No we have a landscaping company. A ton of money goes into landscaping. Can not vouch for their employment policies....

Ditto for Fed-Ex, UPS, and USPS.

Yes
 
2012-09-25 10:55:58 PM
Doesn't stop there.

Metro Police bust grow house in Las Vegas Country Club Link
 
2012-09-25 10:57:16 PM
Rich people are just as foolish as everyone else. More at eleven...
 
2012-09-25 10:58:57 PM
"What does a gated community keep out?"

George Zimmerman tells me it's supposed to be effective against People Not Like Us.
 
2012-09-25 11:05:04 PM

Coelacanth: Doesn't stop there.

Metro Police bust grow house in Las Vegas Country Club Link


You see that's one reason I live in a guarded gated community. No cops cruise through on a regular basis. Nobody is going to be dealing out of their home here. The landscaping provides for a high level of privacy. So if you have a spare walk in closet and say maybe three high end LED grow lights that's your business and nobody is going to know.
 
2012-09-25 11:10:29 PM
We don't live in a pretentious gated community; however, our house is the first house to pass into our neighborhood, and all of the neighbors know that I am armed and can be dangerous when myself or family are targeted. I am constantly thanked for my vigilance and marksmanship, with pies and gifts of nubile daughters (which I decline - I don't like pie).

Seriously, the crime rate in my area is nil, after the last of the ner' do wells were run out years ago, and the word got out that the Sheriff will be called only to collect the bodies.

/off my Dog damned lawn.
 
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