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2012-09-25 10:19:47 PM  
As a NYC pedestrian and driver, I approve of all enforcement efforts. The city spent lots of money constructing bike lines on major avenues, constricting vehicular traffic, only to get bikers blowing through red lights, riding the wrong way and clipping pedestrians. Fark em.

Got an evil joy a couple weeks ago, a biker sped going the wrong way through a light- and got slammed to the ground by someone's car door. Laughed my ass off.

/Was I wrong?
//Should I have done that?
 
2012-09-25 10:19:53 PM  

sorebones: Now that's how you do a troll headline.


I don't think anyone read TFA to find out that this is a clerical/administrative error.
 
2012-09-25 10:20:08 PM  

Jonny.the.Q: This is actually kinda funny. I don't ride my bike as much as I used to, but I know people who use their bike as their only means of transportation. Give them points, take away their drivers license no big deal. They are hardcore bike riders. Funny thing about a BUI (bicycling under the influence) is that they'll still take away your drivers license. No big deal, just get on your bikes and ride.


Funny thing: I don't own a car but I drive at work.

I obey stop signs etc as a biker but I might hop on a sidewalk at pedestrian speeds on that one block where the bike lane ends, crazy turns begin, and only two doors on that block for people to emerge from. Yeah, I could get points on my license. And until people in cars get regularly pulled over for not respecting laws re: driving near bikers - haven't seen one yet here - I'm illegally yet slowly riding that block.
 
2012-09-25 10:21:23 PM  
A friend of mine in jr. high got ticketed for speeding on his one speed bike. He was riding on a sidewalk when he came to a trailer park. It was fenced with a gate. You had to stop, open the gate and go through, ride or walk to the other side and go out the gate. The fence ran right on top of the curb of the city street and you walked or biked on the trailer park street with a posted speed limit of 5 mph. The city street was posted at 25 mph. A cop pulled up on him as he left the park and cited him for going 10 mph.

Twelve years old and he gets a speeding ticket. He was pissed.
 
2012-09-25 10:22:14 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Jonny.the.Q: This is actually kinda funny. I don't ride my bike as much as I used to, but I know people who use their bike as their only means of transportation. Give them points, take away their drivers license no big deal. They are hardcore bike riders. Funny thing about a BUI (bicycling under the influence) is that they'll still take away your drivers license. No big deal, just get on your bikes and ride.

Funny thing: I don't own a car but I drive at work.

I obey stop signs etc as a biker but I might hop on a sidewalk at pedestrian speeds on that one block where the bike lane ends, crazy turns begin, and only two doors on that block for people to emerge from. Yeah, I could get points on my license. And until people in cars get regularly pulled over for not respecting laws re: driving near bikers - haven't seen one yet here - I'm illegally yet slowly riding that block.


It's against the law where you are to "drive near bikers" WTF is that all about?
 
2012-09-25 10:27:40 PM  
I thought California was a horrible nanny state....

Too bad the Ramones weren't around to make NYC Uber Alles...So much material...

California Uber Alles 

Watch out for the skinny jean secret police...

Bloomberg wants to be dictator one day...
 
2012-09-25 10:34:42 PM  

e lo: There are reports (clicky pops) of people getting DUIs on horses.


That's bizarre. Where I'm from, you can't get a DUI on horseback if you can demonstrate that the horse is navigating for itself (it knows where home is). It's a common designated driver scenario in rural areas.
 
2012-09-25 10:39:46 PM  
Anyone who pulls out the license during a "bike stop" is a moron and should have the points added.
 
2012-09-25 10:46:59 PM  

Aulus: A friend of mine in jr. high got ticketed for speeding on his one speed bike. He was riding on a sidewalk when he came to a trailer park. It was fenced with a gate. You had to stop, open the gate and go through, ride or walk to the other side and go out the gate. The fence ran right on top of the curb of the city street and you walked or biked on the trailer park street with a posted speed limit of 5 mph. The city street was posted at 25 mph. A cop pulled up on him as he left the park and cited him for going 10 mph.

Twelve years old and he gets a speeding ticket. He was pissed.


What would happen if he gave the cops a fake name? How would the cop know? What would happen if he didn't pay it?
 
2012-09-25 10:48:36 PM  
I guess that means all children below the age to have a drivers license are guilty of operating a motor vehicle without a license. Way to make kid even fatter.
 
2012-09-25 10:57:43 PM  

Hrist: This isn't the craziest thing, either. You can have your driver's license revoked for driving about ANYTHING when drunk, even non motorized. People have gotten their licenses suspended for riding electric wheel chairs because they were paraplegics.


Hate to tell you this, but those have motors in them.
 
2012-09-25 10:58:36 PM  

Job Creator: As a NYC pedestrian and driver, I approve of all enforcement efforts. The city spent lots of money constructing bike lines on major avenues, constricting vehicular traffic, only to get bikers blowing through red lights, riding the wrong way and clipping pedestrians. Fark em.

Got an evil joy a couple weeks ago, a biker sped going the wrong way through a light- and got slammed to the ground by someone's car door. Laughed my ass off.

/Was I wrong?
//Should I have done that?


YouTube?
 
2012-09-25 11:01:27 PM  

andyfromfl: Aulus: A friend of mine in jr. high got ticketed for speeding on his one speed bike. He was riding on a sidewalk when he came to a trailer park. It was fenced with a gate. You had to stop, open the gate and go through, ride or walk to the other side and go out the gate. The fence ran right on top of the curb of the city street and you walked or biked on the trailer park street with a posted speed limit of 5 mph. The city street was posted at 25 mph. A cop pulled up on him as he left the park and cited him for going 10 mph.

Twelve years old and he gets a speeding ticket. He was pissed.

What would happen if he gave the cops a fake name? How would the cop know? What would happen if he didn't pay it?



True. However, he was so flustered by it, he gave them his real name and address. I suppose if he didn't pay then, it would be off to the county boys' ranch.
 
2012-09-25 11:02:10 PM  
"Asinine" tag is for the cyclist in question, and for subby. When a pedestrian is lawfully in a crosswalk, ALL VEHICLES YIELD, period.
 
2012-09-25 11:03:20 PM  
Fine? Sure. Points? No. That results in punishment that is too inconsistent.
 
2012-09-25 11:09:44 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: "Asinine" tag is for the cyclist in question, and for subby. When a pedestrian is lawfully in a crosswalk, ALL VEHICLES YIELD, period.


I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, I stop when I'm on my bike, and I think other folks on bikes should stop. It's the law, and it's polite. Not every guy walking across the street wants to have bikes whizzing past him. On the other hand, bikes are much more maneuverable and can stop faster than cars. So the guy crossing the street probably wasn't in any danger when this happened (if the cyclist's statement has any truth to it at all).
 
2012-09-25 11:13:34 PM  

Dimensio: /I confuse motorists...
//...by stopping at red lights and stop signs.


This happens to me at stop signs a lot. Most of the time I just wave them through, once I figure out that they don't expect me to know what a stop sign means. I'll admit that, on bad days, I've shouted at them for not driving. Not my finest moment.
 
2012-09-25 11:13:38 PM  
That is another reason to carry two ID's around.. I carry the Driver License for when I am driving and I use my Passport Card for everything else. The Passport Card doesn't have my address on it unlike the Driver License. The Passport Card is legal ID everywhere and is federally vetted. (Under federal law the passport card trumps other ID's). And yes I did get in a "fight" with a cop who demanded my "driver license" as ID for something unrelated to driving a vehicle. I refused and he got pissed... But his supervisor gave him a swift lesson on that.
 
2012-09-25 11:18:06 PM  
fat cheeto eating car driving bastards.

If a bike runs a stop sign and runs into a car, he might dent your precious life sized hot wheels car.

If a car runs a stop sign and runs into a bike, biker is dead.

What is it about driving a car that turns people into dillholes. You actively try to run over pedestrians and somehow think it's the pedestrian's fault because he was jaywalking.

There's an imbalance of power here. The pedestrian or biker is just moving around.

The car driver is in control of a ton of fast steel, which in incorrectly used is a death machine.

Tail gating, emotional outbursts, constant honking on the horn, road rage, texting while driving, and it's these same car drivers that want to run over every bicyclist breaking the law.

Well I'm not stopping at a dumb stop sign on my bicycle. And if you try to kill me with your four wheel death machine, I'll sue you. So you better make it permanent if you are aiming for me.
 
2012-09-25 11:18:47 PM  
Find the politicians responsible for this and then check their publicly-available campaign contribution disclosures. I wonder if any auto insurance companies made contributions recently. No, I actually don't wonder.
 
2012-09-25 11:18:48 PM  
I've walked the streets of NYC for 30+ years: I look three ways to Sunday and these people still aim at me.
/funny is when you see a messenger down on Sixth Ave..and you walk over him! Laughing!

/it's called the taxi slash!!!
 
2012-09-25 11:20:20 PM  

Aulus: A friend of mine in jr. high got ticketed for speeding on his one speed bike. He was riding on a sidewalk when he came to a trailer park. It was fenced with a gate. You had to stop, open the gate and go through, ride or walk to the other side and go out the gate. The fence ran right on top of the curb of the city street and you walked or biked on the trailer park street with a posted speed limit of 5 mph. The city street was posted at 25 mph. A cop pulled up on him as he left the park and cited him for going 10 mph.


Down the street from where I once lived, a cop wrote several tickets against people for speeding, not wearing a seat-belt and/or talking on a cell phone while "driving". The only problem was was it was in a parking lot of a mall... which is on private property.... and, well.... the police has no jurisdiction to write tickets. The mall owner basically ordered all the tickets to be expunged and the cop was banned from going on that property under a no trespass-order. Sucked for the cop because he was told before not to ticket people on in the parking lot and the next grocery store was miles away.
 
2012-09-25 11:25:23 PM  

bonerici: fat cheeto eating car driving bastards.

If a bike runs a stop sign and runs into a car, he might dent your precious life sized hot wheels car.

If a car runs a stop sign and runs into a bike, biker is dead.

What is it about driving a car that turns people into dillholes. You actively try to run over pedestrians and somehow think it's the pedestrian's fault because he was jaywalking.

There's an imbalance of power here. The pedestrian or biker is just moving around.

The car driver is in control of a ton of fast steel, which in incorrectly used is a death machine.

Tail gating, emotional outbursts, constant honking on the horn, road rage, texting while driving, and it's these same car drivers that want to run over every bicyclist breaking the law.

Well I'm not stopping at a dumb stop sign on my bicycle. And if you try to kill me with your four wheel death machine, I'll sue you. So you better make it permanent if you are aiming for me.


A jerk on a bicycle almost T boned me by running a stop sign when I was on my bicycle. I had the right of way, and only avoided the collision by expecting him to web a scofflaw jerk. I braked, and did a track stand as he rode in front of me. "Hey, nice stop at the stop sign there" I said as he rode away. Without even turning around, he flipped me off, and kept on riding. Some people on bicycles deserve to get run over.
 
2012-09-25 11:29:09 PM  

HotWingAgenda: e lo: There are reports (clicky pops) of people getting DUIs on horses.

That's bizarre. Where I'm from, you can't get a DUI on horseback if you can demonstrate that the horse is navigating for itself (it knows where home is). It's a common designated driver scenario in rural areas.


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Agrees.
 
2012-09-25 11:29:53 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: "Asinine" tag is for the cyclist in question, and for subby. When a pedestrian is lawfully in a crosswalk, ALL VEHICLES YIELD, period.


Pffft! NYC.  Despite the bike lanes, almost nobody follows the the rules of the road.
 
2012-09-25 11:30:50 PM  

MrBentor: That is another reason to carry two ID's around.. I carry the Driver License for when I am driving and I use my Passport Card for everything else. The Passport Card doesn't have my address on it unlike the Driver License. The Passport Card is legal ID everywhere and is federally vetted. (Under federal law the passport card trumps other ID's). And yes I did get in a "fight" with a cop who demanded my "driver license" as ID for something unrelated to driving a vehicle. I refused and he got pissed... But his supervisor gave him a swift lesson on that.


Name and address. All you have to give a cop.

/driver's license is for driving - it's a license that says you are allowed to drive and what kinds of vehicles you are allowed to drive - but US citizens are not required to carry ID at all times.
//not yet, anyway
 
2012-09-25 11:45:13 PM  

PyroStock: HotWingAgenda: e lo: There are reports (clicky pops) of people getting DUIs on horses.

That's bizarre. Where I'm from, you can't get a DUI on horseback if you can demonstrate that the horse is navigating for itself (it knows where home is). It's a common designated driver scenario in rural areas.

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Agrees.


It's funny that you should mention that...a friend of mine's parents lives way out in rural country. The nearest store is about 30 minutes away by road, but about 20 minutes away by horse. There's actually a trail through the woods that leads there. If she gets on the horse and walks towards the trail, the horse will walk all the way to the store by itself. Then when she gets back on, all the way back. She said she should get drunk and it would be awesome, but was afraid she'd lose her way. There were a lot of trails there apparently, but the horse knew.
 
2012-09-25 11:52:46 PM  

bonerici: Well I'm not stopping at a dumb stop sign on my bicycle. And if you try to kill me with your four wheel death machine, I'll sue you. So you better make it permanent if you are aiming for me.


We have an accord
www.infamouskidd.com
 
2012-09-25 11:55:47 PM  
Cars here generally stop at red lights, but it seems that stop signs are still optional.
 
2012-09-26 12:11:49 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Jonny.the.Q: This is actually kinda funny. I don't ride my bike as much as I used to, but I know people who use their bike as their only means of transportation. Give them points, take away their drivers license no big deal. They are hardcore bike riders. Funny thing about a BUI (bicycling under the influence) is that they'll still take away your drivers license. No big deal, just get on your bikes and ride.

Funny thing: I don't own a car but I drive at work.

I obey stop signs etc as a biker but I might hop on a sidewalk at pedestrian speeds on that one block where the bike lane ends, crazy turns begin, and only two doors on that block for people to emerge from. Yeah, I could get points on my license. And until people in cars get regularly pulled over for not respecting laws re: driving near bikers - haven't seen one yet here - I'm illegally yet slowly riding that block.


THIS.

Our city seems to have a war on cyclists, but I don't think I've ever seen a motorist get nailed for not giving proper space. Our city buses tailgate us (and sometimes run over us... no kidding), and no one gives a damn.

Someone in a local forum for our newspaper was commenting on cyclists and how they should use up more of the lane and not scootch to the side, so motorists will realize they need to make a lane change. Well, that's very fine and all, but I know exactly what happens: you enrage the motorists behind you (even though you're legally taking up the lane), and then they get even MORE aggressive. The couple of times I've tried it, I've had people cut me off and honk at me, and the other time, someone actually got around me and then slammed on their brakes.

//jerk cyclists tick me off though, cause road rage
//both jerk motorists and cyclists should be nailed. Hard. These are people's lives your messing with.
 
2012-09-26 12:14:08 AM  

andyfromfl: What would happen if he gave the cops a fake name? How would the cop know? What would happen if he didn't pay it?


Fake name will turn the three points he deserved into 'obstruction', 'failure to obey', and a nice shiny set of handcuffs if the cop doesn't believe you. Oh, and you still get the three points.

Best to tell the truth.
 
2012-09-26 12:21:43 AM  

bonerici: fat cheeto eating car driving bastards.

If a bike runs a stop sign and runs into a car, he might dent your precious life sized hot wheels car.

If a car runs a stop sign and runs into a bike, biker is dead.

What is it about driving a car that turns people into dillholes. You actively try to run over pedestrians and somehow think it's the pedestrian's fault because he was jaywalking.

There's an imbalance of power here. The pedestrian or biker is just moving around.

The car driver is in control of a ton of fast steel, which in incorrectly used is a death machine.

Tail gating, emotional outbursts, constant honking on the horn, road rage, texting while driving, and it's these same car drivers that want to run over every bicyclist breaking the law.

Well I'm not stopping at a dumb stop sign on my bicycle. And if you try to kill me with your four wheel death machine, I'll sue you. So you better make it permanent if you are aiming for me.


I'l not aiming for you, but if your dumb ass runs into me, be aware that replacing and paint matching a panel costs about a thousand bucks
 
2012-09-26 12:21:49 AM  

PyroStock: HotWingAgenda: e lo: There are reports (clicky pops) of people getting DUIs on horses.

That's bizarre. Where I'm from, you can't get a DUI on horseback if you can demonstrate that the horse is navigating for itself (it knows where home is). It's a common designated driver scenario in rural areas.

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Agrees.


I'll see you that and raise:

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2012-09-26 12:23:07 AM  
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2012-09-26 12:48:53 AM  

2xhelix: In most states, cyclists are subject to many of the same laws and penalties as motorists. I had friends in central PA get points on their drivers' licenses for riding their bikes the wrong way on one-way streets and blowing stop signs.


That would imply that you need a drivers license to ride a bike, which any 10 year old will tell you ain't true.

The simple answer is to give the cop bogus information.

Get pulled over by cops while riding your 10 speed.

"Do you have any ID?"

"No."

"What is your name and address?"

"My name is Rezzi Dent, and I live at 1313 Mockingbird Lane."

Then go on about your business.
 
2012-09-26 12:56:30 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: I've never understood how a pig can catch a cyclist in the first place. Do they actually stop when asked to by an authority figure? Fark that, keep riding motherfarker. Make the fatty run.


I've seen cops basically ambush a cyclist down the street after they took off from another cop.

CSB:
We were at the Arch here in St Louis for some fireworks when a cyclist came peddling like a bat out of hell right by us. A Cop up the path chucked his baton into the front spokes of the bike and the rider went ass over the handle bars.
Next thing you know there are about six cops all over the guy.
 
2012-09-26 01:06:49 AM  

2xhelix: In most states, cyclists are subject to many of the same laws and penalties as motorists. I had friends in central PA get points on their drivers' licenses for riding their bikes the wrong way on one-way streets and blowing stop signs.


YOUR FRIENDS ARE PENN STATERS!!!! Yup, if the cop is in a bad mood and near the end of the month they will sit on calder ally (which is one way and only lightly traveled by cars)and ticket everyone going the wrong way. biking on College Ave or Beaver Ave (2 other one ways,paralel to calder heavily trafficked) is a death sentence for cyclists. Atherton too. terrified to bike on that road.
 
2012-09-26 01:32:32 AM  
Good. Triple the fines, too. Tired of delivery guys plowing through crosswalks.
 
2012-09-26 01:34:13 AM  
Both as a motorist and a pedestrian (I drive at work but walk/take the bus in my off time) I have to agree with the NYPD on this. As much as I despise the NYPD and Bloomberg, I see bikers every day blow through stoplights and signs, not yield the right of way, and ride down crowded sidewalks; often with a bike lane just a few feet away. I can do without Bloomberg's crusades against soda, smoking, fatty food, and anything remotely fun, but it is nonetheless refreshing to see the bicycle brigade held accountable just like motorists
 
2012-09-26 01:36:23 AM  

KrispyKritter: combine years of city dwellers pissed off by bicyclists who are rude and states in need of revenue and we are looking at license plates and registration for bikes any day now. $$$ cha-ching.


Actually many cities already do require registration of bikes, it's just seen as too expensive to enforce
 
2012-09-26 01:59:56 AM  
Makes sense. If you can't handle a bicycle you should be riding the MTA.
 
2012-09-26 03:03:37 AM  
Lets go after jaywalkers next.
 
2012-09-26 03:31:10 AM  

twat_waffle: Hrist: This isn't the craziest thing, either. You can have your driver's license revoked for driving about ANYTHING when drunk, even non motorized. People have gotten their licenses suspended for riding electric wheel chairs because they were paraplegics.

I wonder if someone could successfully sue over having their license revoked for a ?UI offense that doesn't involve a motor vehicle... I mean, equal protection and all that. You can't suspend a driver's license that hasn't been issued, can you?


They don't suspend your license, they suspend your driving privilege, and YES, they can do so whether or not you have a license.

You will not be able to apply for a driver's license as long as your privilege is suspended.
 
2012-09-26 04:44:48 AM  
One other thing: yes, a lot of cyclists ride like morons, endangering others, but a lot of automobile drivers whine like little babies about things that are none of their business. I think it's a mix of conservative-authoritarian brain structure, and the propensity for people locked up in cars to think the entire outside world is one big inconvenience to them.

For example: if you get angry because a cyclist runs a stop sign and makes you slam on your brakes to avoid hitting them, or makes a little old lady jump out of the way to keep from getting hit, yes you're right to be angry because he's the asshole.

If you get angry because you see a cyclist run a stop sign at an empty intersection from a full city block away, or because a cyclist creeps through a red light when nobody's coming while you have to wait, then YOU'RE the asshole. Quit acting like a child, and mind your own farking business.

Also, here's a tip for driving in the city. If you're in a car and you get to a four-way stop a second or two before a cyclist who's coming from the right or left.... GO. Take your farking turn. Do not count to five, wait for the biker to stop, and then wave him through. You may think you're doing him a favor, but really you're inconveniencing everyone.
 
2012-09-26 07:09:23 AM  
RE: the pic in the article of the skinny guy riding the skinny bike:

Just a couple of days ago a young skinny hipster asshole on a bike, riding with his hands in his pockets just missed slamming into me by a 1/4". He turned around to give me the finger when I yelled at him and he slammed into the back of a bus and went ass over tin cups. I know the guy, we go to the same bar downtown and I am good friends with his ex-girl friend. I ran over to see if he was ok but he just hurled abuse at me, the bus driver and a cop. His bike is toast and I can't wait to see how black and blue his face is the next time I see him.
 
2012-09-26 07:22:03 AM  

GBB: TwistedIvory: I've always wondered what happens if the state tries to assess points on someone's driver's license for a cycling infraction and then finds out that they have no driver's license.

Simple, they create an "account" using the information from the citation and assign the points to that account. If you were to go and get a driver's license, it will have the points already assigned to it and you'd probably end up with an instant suspension.

At least, that's how it's done in Florida, but I don't know if citations on a bike even means anything.


Pretty much the same here in Georgia; if you don't have a driver's license but somehow commit a traffic offense and either plead out/pay the fine or are found guilty, the system generates an OLN (operator license number) and attaches it to your vital info. When you finally do get your license, your driving history will reflect the offenses prior to your license date. Blew my mind the first time I saw it during the course of my job; guy with a driving offense in 1997 didn't get his first license until 1999.
 
2012-09-26 07:44:20 AM  

Z-clipped: If you get angry because you see a cyclist run a stop sign at an empty intersection from a full city block away, or because a cyclist creeps through a red light when nobody's coming while you have to wait, then YOU'RE the asshole. Quit acting like a child, and mind your own farking business.


You're not allowed to run stop signs or red likes as a bike. Wanna ride on the street? Follow the laws.

/WAAAAAAAAAAHAMBULANCE! I NEED A WAAAAAAAAAAAAHAMBULANCE!
//WHY SHOULD I GET IN TROUBLE FOR BREAKING THE LAW!
 
2012-09-26 07:45:36 AM  

Rent Party: 2xhelix: In most states, cyclists are subject to many of the same laws and penalties as motorists. I had friends in central PA get points on their drivers' licenses for riding their bikes the wrong way on one-way streets and blowing stop signs.

That would imply that you need a drivers license to ride a bike, which any 10 year old will tell you ain't true.

The simple answer is to give the cop bogus information.

Get pulled over by cops while riding your 10 speed.

"Do you have any ID?"

"No."

"What is your name and address?"

"My name is Rezzi Dent, and I live at 1313 Mockingbird Lane."

Then go on about your business.


NYC has stop and identify laws. They can arrest you if you don't provide ID.

/but PLEASE! encourage cyclists to lie to the police, It will be a good laugh.
 
2012-09-26 10:23:26 AM  

lordargent: I don't really care if bikes stop at red lights and stop signs or not, as long as they don't endanger other people by not doing so. Typically, they don't.

I almost squished two bikers because I had a green arrow left turn, and they just cruised through their red light without stopping.

That's the kind of shiat that's just stupid.


Yes, it is.

There is a ghost bike that I go past every day. A woman named Diva de Loayza was riding her bicycle one morning, and she blew through a red light and got hit by a woman driving a minivan and killed. Ms. de Loayza was not wearing a helmet. The police did not ticket or file charges against the driver of the minivan because the driver did nothing wrong. Yet the ghost bike says "Killed by a car".

No.

What killed Diva de Loayza was her own stupidity. She didn't obey the traffic laws, and didn't wear a helmet (which likely would have saved her life), and yet she is treated as a saint who could do no wrong in the local biking community, to the point where they maintain her 'ghost bike'. 

Don't end up like her. Obey the traffic laws. Wear a helmet.
 
2012-09-26 10:46:45 AM  
So a driver's license isn't needed to ride a bike.
And if you don't have one, then no biggie.
But if you do have a DL, then you get points? The fark?

Whenever I rode my bike (as a kid. Now that I am all grown up, I actualy use a grown-up vehicle), I stayed the fark off the road. I either rode on sidewalks (which even in Charlotte, NC, was mostly empty of peds.) or the grass on the side of the road. Sure I might have legal right to be in the road, but the cars are bigger and faster than me. I rather not be hit, than have a moral victory of 'being in the right' but paralysed.
 
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