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(Gothamist)   Get a ticket while riding your bike in NYC? That's 3 points on your driver's license   (gothamist.com) divider line 108
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2012-09-25 06:34:32 PM  
We need a separate points system for cyclists, and after you rack up 11 points we break both of your legs.
 
2012-09-25 06:56:21 PM  
This is why I'd take the subway.
 
2012-09-25 07:28:54 PM  
In most states, cyclists are subject to many of the same laws and penalties as motorists. I had friends in central PA get points on their drivers' licenses for riding their bikes the wrong way on one-way streets and blowing stop signs.
 
2012-09-25 07:41:42 PM  
I've always wondered what happens if the state tries to assess points on someone's driver's license for a cycling infraction and then finds out that they have no driver's license.
 
2012-09-25 08:43:09 PM  
Pedalestrians this time
Pedestrains next time.
 
2012-09-25 08:57:50 PM  

2xhelix: In most states, cyclists are subject to many of the same laws and penalties as motorists. I had friends in central PA get points on their drivers' licenses for riding their bikes the wrong way on one-way streets and blowing stop signs.


Oops. I better stop doing that.
 
2012-09-25 08:58:42 PM  

TwistedIvory: I've always wondered what happens if the state tries to assess points on someone's driver's license for a cycling infraction and then finds out that they have no driver's license.


I presume they'd impound the bicycles.
 
2012-09-25 08:58:50 PM  
Good.
 
2012-09-25 08:59:06 PM  
Now that's how you do a troll headline.
 
2012-09-25 08:59:35 PM  

TwistedIvory: I've always wondered what happens if the state tries to assess points on someone's driver's license for a cycling infraction and then finds out that they have no driver's license.



www.gonzotimes.com
 
2012-09-25 09:00:02 PM  
So much for the "we have to follow the same rules" idiocity

/a coworker made that word up
 
2012-09-25 09:00:23 PM  
What are these "points" you speak of?

/we don't have such tardness in WA

//never gotten a single ticket
 
2012-09-25 09:00:57 PM  
i.imgur.com
Disapproves
 
2012-09-25 09:01:13 PM  
eff NYC. In every hole.
 
2012-09-25 09:03:18 PM  
We had a dude here who got points on his license for having his elbow out the window...


As a passenger...

/CSB
 
2012-09-25 09:04:13 PM  
So if your drivers license is suspended you can't ride your bike?
 
2012-09-25 09:04:30 PM  
I fail to see anything wrong with this.

/cyclist
 
GBB
2012-09-25 09:05:44 PM  

TwistedIvory: I've always wondered what happens if the state tries to assess points on someone's driver's license for a cycling infraction and then finds out that they have no driver's license.


Simple, they create an "account" using the information from the citation and assign the points to that account. If you were to go and get a driver's license, it will have the points already assigned to it and you'd probably end up with an instant suspension.

At least, that's how it's done in Florida, but I don't know if citations on a bike even means anything.
 
2012-09-25 09:07:21 PM  

TwistedIvory: I've always wondered what happens if the state tries to assess points on someone's driver's license for a cycling infraction and then finds out that they have no driver's license.


This. Even if they take away your driver's license, you can keep riding the bike, right?
 
2012-09-25 09:08:12 PM  
Good.

/cyclist
 
2012-09-25 09:10:08 PM  
Forget points. If you really want to punish them, send them back home to Ohio.
 
2012-09-25 09:10:47 PM  
Good. Nothing irks me more than cyclists that don't obey traffic laws. Second to that are traffic lights on sensors that don't detect bikes. I hate dismounting to use the crosswalk.
 
2012-09-25 09:12:12 PM  

TwistedIvory: I've always wondered what happens if the state tries to assess points on someone's driver's license for a cycling infraction and then finds out that they have no driver's license.


My thoughts exactly.
 
2012-09-25 09:15:46 PM  

t3knomanser: Good. Nothing irks me more than cyclists that don't obey traffic laws. Second to that are traffic lights on sensors that don't detect bikes. I hate dismounting to use the crosswalk.


I dislike an unnecessary dismount as much as the next guy.
 
2012-09-25 09:16:01 PM  
To the cyclist saying Good, the problem is the disparity in the punishment. Why should motor vehicle drivers and some cyclists get points for breaking traffic laws but other cyclists (those with out licenses) and pedestrians not get points?

/I agree that 99% of cyclists make the rest of us look bad
//jay walkers, and those who block the box are the bane of DC traffic.
 
2012-09-25 09:16:03 PM  
This isn't the craziest thing, either. You can have your driver's license revoked for driving about ANYTHING when drunk, even non motorized. People have gotten their licenses suspended for riding electric wheel chairs because they were paraplegics.
 
2012-09-25 09:21:33 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: We need a separate points system for cyclists, and after you rack up 11 points we break both of your legs.


As a cyclist, I endorse your proposal.

/I confuse motorists...
//...by stopping at red lights and stop signs.
 
2012-09-25 09:21:34 PM  
This is actually kinda funny. I don't ride my bike as much as I used to, but I know people who use their bike as their only means of transportation. Give them points, take away their drivers license no big deal. They are hardcore bike riders. Funny thing about a BUI (bicycling under the influence) is that they'll still take away your drivers license. No big deal, just get on your bikes and ride.
 
2012-09-25 09:22:55 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: What are these "points" you speak of?

/we don't have such tardness in WA

//never gotten a single ticket


We don't really do points in Illinois. Traffic violations have a points value, but that only determines how long your license gets suspended after you have three violations in a year.
 
2012-09-25 09:27:38 PM  
Hey, guess what? It's the same for watercraft (at least in Idaho). Speed on a jetski is no different than speeding in a car.
 
2012-09-25 09:28:15 PM  
I bike for my commute/use it to make trips to the grocery store and I have to say that my life got immeasurably safer after I decided to treat my bike like it was a motorcycle and obey all the traffic rules. I was never one to ride my bike on the sidewalk and I always made sure it was safe to blow red lights, but now it's amazing how easier it has become.
 
2012-09-25 09:28:53 PM  

Hrist: This isn't the craziest thing, either. You can have your driver's license revoked for driving about ANYTHING when drunk, even non motorized. People have gotten their licenses suspended for riding electric wheel chairs because they were paraplegics.


I wonder if someone could successfully sue over having their license revoked for a ?UI offense that doesn't involve a motor vehicle... I mean, equal protection and all that. You can't suspend a driver's license that hasn't been issued, can you?
 
2012-09-25 09:30:03 PM  

LemSkroob: Forget points. If you really want to punish them, send them back home to Ohio New Jersey.


FTFY
 
2012-09-25 09:32:31 PM  

keoki82: 2xhelix: In most states, cyclists are subject to many of the same laws and penalties as motorists. I had friends in central PA get points on their drivers' licenses for riding their bikes the wrong way on one-way streets and blowing stop signs.

Oops. I better stop doing that.


Especially if the stop sign is under the age of consent.
 
2012-09-25 09:34:37 PM  

twat_waffle: I wonder if someone could successfully sue over having their license revoked for a ?UI offense that doesn't involve a motor vehicle...


Doubtful. If you're operating a vehicle on a public right-of-way, you're subject to the rules of that right-of-way. If the rules say "operating a vehicle under the influence = license suspension", and also say, "non-motorized vehicles do not require a license", there's no real conflict.
 
2012-09-25 09:36:24 PM  

No Such Agency: Good.

/cyclist


Yep. Time to crack down on cycling scofflaws. The traffic laws may may be automobile-based, but until that changes we cyclists need to obey them.
 
2012-09-25 09:38:12 PM  
combine years of city dwellers pissed off by bicyclists who are rude and states in need of revenue and we are looking at license plates and registration for bikes any day now. $$$ cha-ching.
 
2012-09-25 09:39:37 PM  

Jonny.the.Q: This is actually kinda funny. I don't ride my bike as much as I used to, but I know people who use their bike as their only means of transportation. Give them points, take away their drivers license no big deal. They are hardcore bike riders. Funny thing about a BUI (bicycling under the influence) is that they'll still take away your drivers license. No big deal, just get on your bikes and ride.


Fat-bottomed girls, you make the rockin' world go 'round!
 
2012-09-25 09:40:39 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I bike for my commute/use it to make trips to the grocery store and I have to say that my life got immeasurably safer after I decided to treat my bike like it was a motorcycle and obey all the traffic rules. I was never one to ride my bike on the sidewalk and I always made sure it was safe to blow red lights, but now it's amazing how easier it has become.


Biking on a sidewalk is, far far far and away, the most dangerous thing you can do, especially if you are expecting right of way or expecting to cross a street as a "pedestrian" on a walk signal.
 
2012-09-25 09:41:35 PM  
AND THAT IS ONE TO GROW ON, FOLKS
 
2012-09-25 09:45:51 PM  
Great idea in principle but the implementation needs some work, as evidenced by this clusterfark of a case.

Perhaps license cyclists with a separate license. If you get pulled over and your cycling license has been suspended / revoked then you go to jail just as someone driving a car on a suspended license would.

They are wanting to use the road and be treated as equals, right?
 
2012-09-25 09:46:22 PM  
I've never understood how a pig can catch a cyclist in the first place. Do they actually stop when asked to by an authority figure? Fark that, keep riding motherfarker. Make the fatty run.
 
2012-09-25 09:55:13 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I've never understood how a pig can catch a cyclist in the first place. Do they actually stop when asked to by an authority figure? Fark that, keep riding motherfarker. Make the fatty run.


Like that
 
2012-09-25 09:55:38 PM  
It's almost as if cyclists are subject to the same laws as motor vehicle drivers.

/who knew?
 
2012-09-25 10:01:16 PM  
I don't really care if bikes stop at red lights and stop signs or not, as long as they don't endanger other people by not doing so. Typically, they don't.

However, I also have no issue with them getting tickets for failure to yield to pedestrians and see no reason why they shouldn't get points on their license if they have one.

There's a spot near me where a pedestrian walking lane crosses a bike lane. There's a huge crosswalk painted and signs on both sides saying Bikes Stop for Pedestrians. I've seen 3 people hit by bikes there this year. That's just from walking by there twice a day; it's not like I'm sitting at the spot waiting to see a collision. I hear bitter complaints from biking friends when they put a cop there for a few hours every once in a while.
 
2012-09-25 10:02:20 PM  
TwistedIvory: I've always wondered what happens if the state tries to assess points on someone's driver's license for a cycling infraction and then finds out that they have no driver's license.?

Remember, points are also associated with fines. And if there's one thing states know how to figure out, it's how to collect fines.
 
2012-09-25 10:02:34 PM  
bikes use the same roads, can break the same rules
and can cause worse accidents... just be glad there's no forced-at-fault clauses for bikes in accidents.

Would suck to get sued for damages while waiting for your whole body to heal because your bike cracked the oil pan and spilled antifreeze on the road.

Something like 18,000 bucks worth of fines and damages.

and your insurance would go up.
so don't get a license in new yak if you're gonna ride a bike there
tada!
 
2012-09-25 10:06:12 PM  
I don't really care if bikes stop at red lights and stop signs or not, as long as they don't endanger other people by not doing so. Typically, they don't.

I almost squished two bikers because I had a green arrow left turn, and they just cruised through their red light without stopping.

That's the kind of shiat that's just stupid.

// Bad bikers want to be treated as vehicles, except for when it's convenient for them to ignore vehicle laws. Then they expect everyone else to make corrections because of their mistakes.

// Doesn't run lights or stop signs while biking.
 
2012-09-25 10:08:29 PM  

Dragonflew: I fail to see anything wrong with this.

/cyclist


Yeah, me either. The Tokyo police have started cracking down and enforcing the rules for cyclists, but it's still sporadic.

A few weeks back, they were stopping every cyclist in the middle of the morning rush hour. Not to check for safety violations, but to pass out handfuls of safety flyers, reflectors and other doo-dads. Thanks, but I'm now either stuck blocking traffic until I can stuff all this crap into my backpack, dumping it all into the street and littering, or maneuvering one-handed through traffic until there's space to over.

/csb
 
2012-09-25 10:17:35 PM  
As previously stated, you can get points on your license, including for DUI, for operating/riding pretty much anything. There are reports (clicky pops) of people getting DUIs on horses.
 
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