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2012-09-25 02:16:25 PM  
I did find one customer who had noticed the calorie labels: Dick Nigon of Sterling, Va. He and his wife, Lea, had stopped by McDonald's after seeing an exhibit at the Renwick Gallery. Dick had ordered for the couple, noticed the calorie labels and liked them.

"I like that you have the information before you order," he told me, when I asked about the labels. "It's better than some kind of government health mandate in Obamacare."
I told him that the calorie labels were, in fact, a government health mandate in Obamacare.

"Well that changes things a bit," he responded. "I thought this was more of a voluntary sort of thing. Now I'm not quite sure how I feel about it."


What's dumber: the notion that MacDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of "Obama" changes his mind?
 

This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2012-09-25 02:21:32 PM  
It's hard to imagine how different our politics would be if people understood their own beliefs better.
 
2012-09-25 02:42:40 PM  
I were fer it until I were agin it!
 
2012-09-25 02:43:28 PM  

DamnYankees: It's hard to imagine how different our politics would be if people understood their own beliefs better.


This.

If you ask Americans about specific policies without naming them they are generally in favor of a more socialist society, but if you ask them if they want a more socialist society they say no.
 
2012-09-25 02:45:08 PM  

Egoy3k: DamnYankees: It's hard to imagine how different our politics would be if people understood their own beliefs better.

This.

If you ask Americans about specific policies without naming them they are generally in favor of a more socialist society, but if you ask them if they want a more socialist society they say no.


If people actually understood and voted their beliefs the upcoming election would be a tight race between Obama and Jill Stein.
 
2012-09-25 02:45:44 PM  

impaler: I did find one customer who had noticed the calorie labels: Dick Nigon of Sterling, Va. He and his wife, Lea, had stopped by McDonald's after seeing an exhibit at the Renwick Gallery. Dick had ordered for the couple, noticed the calorie labels and liked them.

"I like that you have the information before you order," he told me, when I asked about the labels. "It's better than some kind of government health mandate in Obamacare."
I told him that the calorie labels were, in fact, a government health mandate in Obamacare.

"Well that changes things a bit," he responded. "I thought this was more of a voluntary sort of thing. Now I'm not quite sure how I feel about it."

What's dumber: the notion that MacDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of "Obama" changes his mind? 

This is why we can't have nice things.


Most people just don't care about being logically consistent. It's hard and feels bad. It is much easier to just be against Obama and blame him for everything. Seriously. It feels good, and there's no laws against harboring a deeply uneducated resentment against Obama for things that aren't even true. It's much easier to live in that frame of mind rather than actually think about anything.
 
2012-09-25 02:46:49 PM  
Keep your government hands off my product labeling.
 
2012-09-25 02:47:14 PM  
To be fair, if you've ever been to Stirling, Virginia this is not surprising.
 
2012-09-25 02:49:31 PM  

Egoy3k: DamnYankees: It's hard to imagine how different our politics would be if people understood their own beliefs better.

This.

If you ask Americans about specific policies without naming them they are generally in favor of a more socialist society, but if you ask them if they want a more socialist society they say no.


Debs wept.
 
2012-09-25 02:49:37 PM  
As one of my favorite bloggers succinctly summed up: "What's dumber: the notion that McDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of Obama' changes his mind?"

At McDonald's, wherever the term "calories" is used should be replaced with the phrase "Sol-Roths".
 
2012-09-25 02:49:51 PM  
here's a helpful guide to all the things you shouldn't like cuz a black guy made them, even though it's totally about something else and I'm the real racist
Link
 
2012-09-25 02:49:54 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Egoy3k: DamnYankees: It's hard to imagine how different our politics would be if people understood their own beliefs better.

This.

If you ask Americans about specific policies without naming them they are generally in favor of a more socialist society, but if you ask them if they want a more socialist society they say no.

If people actually understood and voted their beliefs the upcoming election would be a tight race between Obama and Jill Stein.


Yeah Obama would be the GOP's golden boy for sure. Well if he weren't so damned set in his ways about constantly being black anyway.
 
2012-09-25 02:50:01 PM  

Egoy3k: DamnYankees: It's hard to imagine how different our politics would be if people understood their own beliefs better.

This.

If you ask Americans about specific policies without naming them they are generally in favor of a more socialist society, but if you ask them if they want a more socialist society they say no.


I had this discussion with my mother-in-law a while back. She thinks that "Socialism" means, by definition, a dictatorship. Not "some socialist countries had dictators" or "socialism is likely to lead to dictatorship" but "socialism is a type of government in which a dictator rules."

(Nevermind that it's not a type of government at all...)

I tried to explain to her how she was incorrect. She simply could not understand it.

She's a semi-devout Cathloic (in that she got a divorce and doesn't think Catholocism is the only correct religion, but cried when my wife and I had a secular wedding). i finally said "okay, where I gew up, one of the Protestant churches had a billboard that talked about how the Pope is in league with Satan. A lot of the people attending that church agree with that."

"But that's not true! They just don't know what Catholocism is! They've just been fed that line since they were young!"

"Well, there ya go."
 
2012-09-25 02:51:08 PM  

Esc7: impaler: I did find one customer who had noticed the calorie labels: Dick Nigon of Sterling, Va. He and his wife, Lea, had stopped by McDonald's after seeing an exhibit at the Renwick Gallery. Dick had ordered for the couple, noticed the calorie labels and liked them.

"I like that you have the information before you order," he told me, when I asked about the labels. "It's better than some kind of government health mandate in Obamacare."
I told him that the calorie labels were, in fact, a government health mandate in Obamacare.

"Well that changes things a bit," he responded. "I thought this was more of a voluntary sort of thing. Now I'm not quite sure how I feel about it."

What's dumber: the notion that MacDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of "Obama" changes his mind? 

This is why we can't have nice things.

Most people just don't care about being logically consistent. It's hard and feels bad. It is much easier to just be against Obama and blame him for everything. Seriously. It feels good, and there's no laws against harboring a deeply uneducated resentment against Obama for things that aren't even true. It's much easier to live in that frame of mind rather than actually think about anything.


True but, unfortunately, a democracy requires a well-educated and informed electorate to avoid coming apart at the seams.
 
2012-09-25 02:51:09 PM  
I have a Facebook friend who posted how since her utility bill was really tough to pay due to screw ups, she cannot wait to see how the government deals with healthcare.

I hate people
 
2012-09-25 02:51:32 PM  
I vow to only eat at places too small to be forced to post their calories by the ACA.

J/K, I don't read the menus anyways.
 
2012-09-25 02:52:52 PM  

TimonC346: I have a Facebook friend who posted how since her utility bill was really tough to pay due to screw ups, she cannot wait to see how the government deals with healthcare.

I hate people


But being billed by private insurance companies is just a breeze and never screwed up?
 
2012-09-25 02:53:39 PM  
"What's dumber: the notion that McDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of Obama' changes his mind?"

Ya think maybe "Obama" wasn't the operative term there, but that "government mandate" was?
 
2012-09-25 02:53:52 PM  
You can lead an idiot from derp
but they'll still run back and drink it.
 
2012-09-25 02:55:51 PM  

Egoy3k: DamnYankees: It's hard to imagine how different our politics would be if people understood their own beliefs better.

This.

If you ask Americans about specific policies without naming them they are generally in favor of a more socialist society, but if you ask them if they want a more socialist society they say no.


From this I deduce that name-calling is an effective political strategy.
 
2012-09-25 02:56:51 PM  

jigger: "What's dumber: the notion that McDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of Obama' changes his mind?"

Ya think maybe "Obama" wasn't the operative term there, but that "government mandate" was?


I bet that guy was fine with the government mandate that required food be refrigerated and the government mandate that required expired food be disposed of and the government mandate that required the food preparation areas had to be clean.
 
2012-09-25 02:56:53 PM  

TimonC346: I have a Facebook friend who posted how since her utility bill was really tough to pay due to screw ups, she cannot wait to see how the government deals with healthcare.

I hate people


It's the DMV argument. 'The government can't even run the DMV, can you imagine how bad things will be now that Obama has completely taken over all health care???'
 
2012-09-25 02:57:53 PM  

Wellon Dowd: To be fair, if you've ever been to Stirling, Virginia this is not surprising.


I grew up just up the road in Great Falls. Only reason I ever heard to cross the border into Loudoun County was to shoot a deer or have it mounted.
 
2012-09-25 02:59:38 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I had this discussion with my mother-in-law a while back. She thinks that "Socialism" means, by definition, a dictatorship. Not "some socialist countries had dictators" or "socialism is likely to lead to dictatorship" but "socialism is a type of government in which a dictator rules."

(Nevermind that it's not a type of government at all...)


Well it least it sounds as if she might eventually understand your point. I have had real face to conversations with people (and many encounters on Fark) trying to explain to them that socialism does not equal Nazis. See in their warped perception since the Nazi party was called the national socialist party socialists must be Nazis.
 
2012-09-25 02:59:49 PM  
We have an entire segment of the population conditioned to automatically hate anything Obama does.

Nice.

//Cue the "BBBBut Bush Derangement Syndrome"
 
2012-09-25 03:01:08 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Esc7: impaler: I did find one customer who had noticed the calorie labels: Dick Nigon of Sterling, Va. He and his wife, Lea, had stopped by McDonald's after seeing an exhibit at the Renwick Gallery. Dick had ordered for the couple, noticed the calorie labels and liked them.

"I like that you have the information before you order," he told me, when I asked about the labels. "It's better than some kind of government health mandate in Obamacare."
I told him that the calorie labels were, in fact, a government health mandate in Obamacare.

"Well that changes things a bit," he responded. "I thought this was more of a voluntary sort of thing. Now I'm not quite sure how I feel about it."

What's dumber: the notion that MacDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of "Obama" changes his mind? 

This is why we can't have nice things.

Most people just don't care about being logically consistent. It's hard and feels bad. It is much easier to just be against Obama and blame him for everything. Seriously. It feels good, and there's no laws against harboring a deeply uneducated resentment against Obama for things that aren't even true. It's much easier to live in that frame of mind rather than actually think about anything.

True but, unfortunately, a democracy requires a well-educated and informed electorate to avoid coming apart at the seams.


Correct. Mountains of correct. For me this means one of our top priorities should be public education, and within that education, explanation of how to be a good citizen.

We don't need everyone to understand all parts of public policy, but we at least need the voters to understand logical arguments. You can skate by on an uninformed public within a dictatorship or monarchy, but sooner or later, in a democracy, it will bite you in the ass.
 
2012-09-25 03:02:46 PM  

impaler: "I like that you have the information before you order," he told me, when I asked about the labels. "It's better than some kind of government health mandate in Obamacare."
I told him that the calorie labels were, in fact, a government health mandate in Obamacare.

"Well that changes things a bit," he responded. "I thought this was more of a voluntary sort of thing. Now I'm not quite sure how I feel about it."

What's dumber: the notion that MacDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of "Obama" changes his mind?


I don't know why the author assumes that "the mere mention of Obama changes his mind." As I read it, the exchange goes like this:

Man: I like the nutrition labeling. I'm glad McDonald's does that voluntarily.
Author: It's not voluntary. It's required by Obamacare.
Man: "I'm not quire sure how I feel about" the government forcing restaurants to do this. I like that it exists, but I'd prefer if they chose to do it voluntarily. I might rather have no mandate and thus no information, rather than have information I like but only because the government forces McDonalds to do it.
 
2012-09-25 03:03:13 PM  
To be fair, labeling the food hasn't had much of an affect on alot of people until they find out they get sick.

My wife has Gestational Diabetes because we waited until we were in our 30's to have kids and having labels on the food is quite helpful.

My wife used to ways 97 pounds and is now 33 weeks pregnant and ways 120 lbs so it's not because we were out of shape and over weight.

It turns out that i've been eating a diabetes friendly diet since i moved away from my southern Oklahoma family members and started cooking my own food here in Tulsa.

With the exception of my beef jerky & little debby snacks that i've put off for the remainder of my wifes's pregancy.

It's probably why i've only gone from a 32 to a size 33 pants.

Now that i have all that information, i will pay attention to the labeling and be helpful with my friends who do not understand them because like me they went to rural crappy oklahoma schools that didn't explain anything, but how to make a steer and run the wishbone offense in the 1990's.
 
2012-09-25 03:03:31 PM  

Lord Dimwit: jigger: "What's dumber: the notion that McDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of Obama' changes his mind?"

Ya think maybe "Obama" wasn't the operative term there, but that "government mandate" was?

I bet that guy was fine with the government mandate that required food be refrigerated and the government mandate that required expired food be disposed of and the government mandate that required the food preparation areas had to be clean.


Hard to tell, he was eating at McDonalds.
 
2012-09-25 03:04:43 PM  

meat0918: We have an entire segment of the population conditioned to automatically hate anything Obama does.

Nice.

//Cue the "BBBBut Bush Derangement Syndrome"


It isn't Bush's fault that one of the only good things he did was unpronounceable. And by like, you know, competent English speakers, not just himself.
 
2012-09-25 03:05:03 PM  

Lord Dimwit: jigger: "What's dumber: the notion that McDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of Obama' changes his mind?"

Ya think maybe "Obama" wasn't the operative term there, but that "government mandate" was?

I bet that guy was fine with the government mandate that required food be refrigerated and the government mandate that required expired food be disposed of and the government mandate that required the food preparation areas had to be clean.


Probably not. If you told him that the government mandated it, that guy would probably say "Well, I don't know how I feel about it now."
 
2012-09-25 03:05:06 PM  
"Well that changes things a bit," he responded. "I thought this was more of a voluntary sort of thing. Now I'm not quite sure how I feel about it."

Yeah, because it's not McDonald's fault for not putting the info up there before it was mandated, that would make your statement at least consistent with your belief. Instead it's about pure partisanship.
 
2012-09-25 03:08:05 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I bet that guy was fine with the government mandate that required food be refrigerated and the government mandate that required expired food be disposed of and the government mandate that required the food preparation areas had to be clean.


Nope, only when all that was voluntary, as soon as it became a mandate, he was against it. please try to keep up.

What, are you some kind of 'Dimwit'? ;-)
 
2012-09-25 03:13:32 PM  

jigger: "What's dumber: the notion that McDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of Obama' changes his mind?"

Ya think maybe "Obama" wasn't the operative term there, but that "government mandate" was?


I hardly see how that makes it any better. He liked it because it was good information to know. But because government mandates are bad, he'd prefer to go back to not knowing that information as long as it means that a bad government mandate is struck from the books? The fact that he liked knowing the information is pretty solid evidence in favor of a government mandate being good.
 
2012-09-25 03:15:15 PM  
As one of my favorite bloggers succinctly summed up: "What's dumber: the notion that McDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of Obama' changes his mind?"

Mmmmm. Greasy ass-food.
/obligatory
 
2012-09-25 03:15:23 PM  

Egoy3k: Lord Dimwit: I had this discussion with my mother-in-law a while back. She thinks that "Socialism" means, by definition, a dictatorship. Not "some socialist countries had dictators" or "socialism is likely to lead to dictatorship" but "socialism is a type of government in which a dictator rules."

(Nevermind that it's not a type of government at all...)


Well it least it sounds as if she might eventually understand your point. I have had real face to conversations with people (and many encounters on Fark) trying to explain to them that socialism does not equal Nazis. See in their warped perception since the Nazi party was called the national socialist party socialists must be Nazis.


So what your saying is that Hitler godwinned us all?
 
2012-09-25 03:16:37 PM  

theknuckler_33: jigger: "What's dumber: the notion that McDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of Obama' changes his mind?"

Ya think maybe "Obama" wasn't the operative term there, but that "government mandate" was?

I hardly see how that makes it any better. He liked it because it was good information to know. But because government mandates are bad, he'd prefer to go back to not knowing that information as long as it means that a bad government mandate is struck from the books? The fact that he liked knowing the information is pretty solid evidence in favor of a government mandate being good.


No. Not at all. What the hell are you smoking?
 
2012-09-25 03:16:54 PM  

theknuckler_33: I hardly see how that makes it any better. He liked it because it was good information to know. But because government mandates are bad, he'd prefer to go back to not knowing that information as long as it means that a bad government mandate is struck from the books? The fact that he liked knowing the information is pretty solid evidence in favor of a government mandate being good.


I think you're hitting on the major disconnect in perspective that exists between certain types of people. You're saying that because an outcome is desirable, the means to achieve that outcome must be good, ie the ends justify the means. Some people believe that the ends don't always justify the means, even if the outcome is something they desire for themselves.
 
2012-09-25 03:18:12 PM  

Uzzah: impaler: "I like that you have the information before you order," he told me, when I asked about the labels. "It's better than some kind of government health mandate in Obamacare."
I told him that the calorie labels were, in fact, a government health mandate in Obamacare.

"Well that changes things a bit," he responded. "I thought this was more of a voluntary sort of thing. Now I'm not quite sure how I feel about it."

What's dumber: the notion that MacDonald's would voluntarily tell customers the calorie count of their greasy-ass food, or the way that the mere mention of "Obama" changes his mind?

I don't know why the author assumes that "the mere mention of Obama changes his mind." As I read it, the exchange goes like this:

Man: I like the nutrition labeling. I'm glad McDonald's does that voluntarily.
Author: It's not voluntary. It's required by Obamacare.
Man: "I'm not quire sure how I feel about" the government forcing restaurants to do this. I like that it exists, but I'd prefer if they chose to do it voluntarily. I might rather have no mandate and thus no information, rather than have information I like but only because the government forces McDonalds to do it.


You don't think that bolded part is pretty farking stupid? It pretty much emphasizes that corporations will fark you in the ass if it adds an extra dollar to the bottom line.
 
2012-09-25 03:18:44 PM  
You know, I would apologize for the rest of my Goddamn generation, but I am on the right side of this fight. I surely don't have that long to go, would like to make it another 20 or so, but I really feel sorry for what is coming.

I have never seen people this divided and stubborn, not even during the Viet Nam era. Unbelievable.

Stupid people voting against their own best interests.

They say we get the government we deserve, but there are some decent people here on Fark. Most of you don't deserve it. Time to split this country up.
 
Ant
2012-09-25 03:19:02 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I bet that guy was fine with the government mandate that required food be refrigerated and the government mandate that required expired food be disposed of and the government mandate that required the food preparation areas had to be clean.


Nope. Let the market decide! When all your customers get sick and die, you'll have no more customers. Ta Da! The market always corrects itself.
 
2012-09-25 03:21:06 PM  

theknuckler_33: You don't think that bolded part is pretty farking stupid? It pretty much emphasizes that corporations will fark you in the ass if it adds an extra dollar to the bottom line.


Dude, it's McDonald's. Is there anyone with an IQ above 60 that believes McDonald's serves nutritious, low calorie food? If people wanted nutritious, low calorie food from McDonald's, they would serve that. People go to McDonald's for disgusting grease-filled "food".
 
2012-09-25 03:23:26 PM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Stupid people voting against their own best interests.


Are they sacrificing for the greater good? 

Ayn Rand wants you to think of yourself first, maybe by voting only for your own interests. 

That's what you want, right? What Ayn Rand wants?
 
2012-09-25 03:24:14 PM  
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And I thought it was going to be this guy.
 
2012-09-25 03:25:15 PM  

jigger: theknuckler_33: You don't think that bolded part is pretty farking stupid? It pretty much emphasizes that corporations will fark you in the ass if it adds an extra dollar to the bottom line.

Dude, it's McDonald's. Is there anyone with an IQ above 60 that believes McDonald's serves nutritious, low calorie food? If people wanted nutritious, low calorie food from McDonald's, they would serve that. People go to McDonald's for disgusting grease-filled "food".


Right, but there are plenty of "health food" restaurants that soak everything in butter. People go there thinking that they're eating healthy, low-calorie food and the restaurant does nothing to disabuse them of this notion. If the restaurant were required to post the calorie counts of its food, it would soon either cease to be considered a "healthy" restaurant or would actually have to make itself healthy.

That's one of the main problems this legislation is trying to address. People don't carry calorimeters with them; they have to take the restaurant's word that something is "healthy". Now they can make an informed decision. Of course, informed consumers are apparently somehow anathema to the free market, but I digress.
 
2012-09-25 03:26:47 PM  

jigger: theknuckler_33: I hardly see how that makes it any better. He liked it because it was good information to know. But because government mandates are bad, he'd prefer to go back to not knowing that information as long as it means that a bad government mandate is struck from the books? The fact that he liked knowing the information is pretty solid evidence in favor of a government mandate being good.

I think you're hitting on the major disconnect in perspective that exists between certain types of people. You're saying that because an outcome is desirable, the means to achieve that outcome must be good, ie the ends justify the means. Some people believe that the ends don't always justify the means, even if the outcome is something they desire for themselves.


We aren't talking about strangling a crying baby to save the group of hidden refugees here pal.
It's the government doing what a government SHOULD be doing. They are guaranteeing we have the information we have to make our own choices. As opposed to say simply outlawing all the stuff that's bad for us, or on the other hand allowing totally anarchy.
 
2012-09-25 03:27:55 PM  

jigger: theknuckler_33: I hardly see how that makes it any better. He liked it because it was good information to know. But because government mandates are bad, he'd prefer to go back to not knowing that information as long as it means that a bad government mandate is struck from the books? The fact that he liked knowing the information is pretty solid evidence in favor of a government mandate being good.

I think you're hitting on the major disconnect in perspective that exists between certain types of people. You're saying that because an outcome is desirable, the means to achieve that outcome must be good, ie the ends justify the means. Some people believe that the ends don't always justify the means, even if the outcome is something they desire for themselves.


Perhaps, but I'm looking at this particular situation in a vacuum, not making a general statement that the ends always justify the means. But some mandates clearly are good. Food labels on the stuff you buy in the grocery stores have been around for decades. Food manufacturers would take them off in a second if they could. We have serious problems with the cost of healthcare in this country and food labels are one, albeit small, way to help keep consumers informed of what they are putting in their pit holes. I have high blood pressure and need to monitor closely my sodium intake. Do you have any idea how much sodium is in 1 serving of soup that comes from a can? It is STAGGERING. In fact, you can make the argument that food label mandates have created jobs because since that time, whole new businesses have been created that specialize in producing low sodium, low fat, low calorie foods for the health conscious consumer.
 
2012-09-25 03:28:51 PM  

jigger: theknuckler_33: You don't think that bolded part is pretty farking stupid? It pretty much emphasizes that corporations will fark you in the ass if it adds an extra dollar to the bottom line.

Dude, it's McDonald's. Is there anyone with an IQ above 60 that believes McDonald's serves nutritious, low calorie food? If people wanted nutritious, low calorie food from McDonald's, they would serve that. People go to McDonald's for disgusting grease-filled "food".


It didn't only effect McDonald's.
 
2012-09-25 03:30:29 PM  
Right wingers: Let the free market decide!! People can make their informed decisions pressuring companies to change and do what consumers want.

Others: OK, so then can we make companies give that information so consumers can actually make these informed decisions you say are good?

Right wingers: NO!
 
2012-09-25 03:30:32 PM  

Lord Dimwit: jigger: theknuckler_33: You don't think that bolded part is pretty farking stupid? It pretty much emphasizes that corporations will fark you in the ass if it adds an extra dollar to the bottom line.

Dude, it's McDonald's. Is there anyone with an IQ above 60 that believes McDonald's serves nutritious, low calorie food? If people wanted nutritious, low calorie food from McDonald's, they would serve that. People go to McDonald's for disgusting grease-filled "food".

Right, but there are plenty of "health food" restaurants that soak everything in butter. People go there thinking that they're eating healthy, low-calorie food and the restaurant does nothing to disabuse them of this notion. If the restaurant were required to post the calorie counts of its food, it would soon either cease to be considered a "healthy" restaurant or would actually have to make itself healthy.

That's one of the main problems this legislation is trying to address. People don't carry calorimeters with them; they have to take the restaurant's word that something is "healthy". Now they can make an informed decision. Of course, informed consumers are apparently somehow anathema to the free market, but I digress.


I don't know about "fully informed consumers" being at the heart of the free market. But savvy consumers make a market healthier and it seems like those concerned with their own health would find ways to ensure their own health, like asking the restaurant for a calorie count of their recipes and not just trusting the snazzy sign that says "healthy."

Besides, just because you have a calorie count up doesn't mean what you get on your plate has the calories listed. Are there going to be government inspectors coming in doing spot check with bomb calorimeters? No.

If you trust the calorie count on the sign you're just as foolish as trusting the "healthy!" on the sign. If you really care that much about the calorie count, don't eat out. Who knows what's in that food.
 
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