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2012-09-25 01:38:25 PM  

Rent Party: gulogulo: killershark: This. I totally understand why Green Bay felt they were robbed of a win, but it wouldn't have come down to a final call if the Packers actually played well last night. There were plenty of botched ref calls but letting your QB get sacked eight times in one half is on you.

No one's denying that the offensive line was terrible. But, that doesn't make the call any less highway robbery. They HAD scored points enough to win. They should not have lost it from that hail mary pass.

They scored a bunch of those points off blown calls. The Seahawks should have never had to toss that Hail Mary, had the refs not spotted the Packers 9 points.


The only blown call was the phantom PI, and I forget the players involved. Hands to the face was legit I think. Although I never really know how that penalty is supposed to work.
 
2012-09-25 01:38:35 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: pacified: Hey Green Bay, if you can only score 12 points, you don't "deserve" anything. 12 pts? WTF? Is that not a single touchdown?.

I am afraid you just disqualified yourself from discussing this. Go to the Entertainment tab instead.


At a glance it looks like they kicked 4 field goals, which is a reasonable assumption. Twelve points is a rare amount to score.
 
2012-09-25 01:38:55 PM  

Droog8912: BeesNuts: tallguywithglasseson: Also feel kinda bad (and kinda lulz) for people playing against Golden Tate in their fantasy leagues, who lost because of that call.

I farking have Romo AND Ogletree in my team. Week 1 was nice, btw :p

When that ref threw his hat under Ogletree's farking foot I damn near stuck my head in the oven. wtf is that shiat man. I squeaked a win out with like 5 points or so but fark's sake. I still don't even understand what the ref was *doing*, let alone why he chose to do it right then and there.

As someone who isn't a Dallas fan, that shiat was hilarious. I fully expect to see gifs of that everywhere with banana peels being tossed.


Oh man, yeah that was some good prat-falling there. At the time, though, all I saw was TWELVE POINTS PLUS YARDAGE WOOOOOooo-the fark? WHAT THE FARK!? -replay- WHAT THE ACTUAL FARK!!?

Now? Funny as all hell.
 
2012-09-25 01:39:23 PM  

BeesNuts: tallguywithglasseson: Also feel kinda bad (and kinda lulz) for people playing against Golden Tate in their fantasy leagues, who lost because of that call.

I farking have Romo AND Ogletree in my team. Week 1 was nice, btw :p

When that ref threw his hat under Ogletree's farking foot I damn near stuck my head in the oven. wtf is that shiat man. I squeaked a win out with like 5 points or so but fark's sake. I still don't even understand what the ref was *doing*, let alone why he chose to do it right then and there.


I believe when an offensive player goes out of bounds on a play, the ref throws his hat as a signal that he is not an "eligible player" to do anything during the play (until he "reestablishes himself in the field of play"). They normally throw the hat out of bounds.

Of course, Ogletree didn't go out of bounds so lord only knows why the guy threw his hat at all.
 
2012-09-25 01:40:32 PM  
The whole game was a crapfest to the point that I don't think you can really determine that either team deserved to win. As a Seahawks fan, I am glad for the "w" but am not thrilled about how it went down. I'm not out taunting Packers fans, or trying to pretend that it was a purely legitmate win. I really don't think there is anything wrong with having some happiness that your team won. Seahawks D kicked alot of ass without the refs help. There are things for a fan to be happy about, and plenty to be pissed over.

For me the bottom line is 1) if You are a Seattle fan, you enjoy the win perhaps a little sheepishly. 2) if you are a Green Bay fan, you have legitimate reasons for being angry, but I don't think it's fair to say the game was stolen from you if you consider how much of the game was reffed the fark up. Neither team had enough opportunity to say with certainty that they deserved the win, but either win/lose you just accept it and work on next week which leads to 3) Bring back refs now please.
 
2012-09-25 01:41:40 PM  
Of course Russell Wilson thought they won on the field. If the officials only a couple yards away couldn't tell what chance does a 5'11 QB stand?
 
2012-09-25 01:42:26 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: Zoophagous: gulogulo: Zoophagous: Bad calls are part of the game, deal with it.

This is what a Seahawks fan will tell themselves to justify a win they didn't deserve. This was beyond a simple "bad call."

As I don't play for the Seahawks I don't deserve anything. I am just a fan. However the Seahawks put themselves in a position to win.

They sacked Rodgers 9 times. 9. They held the Packers to less than 300 yards total offense. The Seattle defense dominated the Packers for 3 of 4 quarters. The Seattle defense held the Packers to 12 points.

The Packer defense could have ended the game with a simple 1st down in the final two minutes. Instead they allowed Brandon Browner to knife in and force a fumble resulting in a loss inside the 5 yard line.

The Packers lost and deserved to lose. They let the game come down to a hail mary with time running out.

Stop whining.

The Packers held the Seahawks to less yards and 7 points before the final play, yet it's the Packers who are blamed for not scoring more points? Who knew that offense was all that mattered, and a stellar defensive performance (by both teams) doesn't count?

The Packers likely would have ended the game on the interception that was overturned on a patently incorrect roughing the passer call. So that's 1.

Then the terrible PI call on 1st and 4,432 where Sidney Rice climbed Sam Shields like an oak tree, and DPI was flagged, greatly improving field position even though the Seahawks didn't score. So that's 2.

Then the Packers intercepted the ball in the end zone. So that's 3.

So three times the Packers likely ended the game, only to be screwed. What is the required number of plays to make before the refs don't matter? It must be at least four. Damn them, only getting three.


The Pack's scoring drive was extended by a BS DPI call as well as at least 3 uncalled blatant holding penalties on their O-Line. The bad calls were prevalent as soon as the 2nd half kick came off Haushka's foot.
 
2012-09-25 01:42:44 PM  

scoughlin: As a Seahawks fan, I'm sad they had to win in that fashion because not many people going to recognize yet that we're a pretty damn good team. In both ESPN and SI's power rankings, GB is still above us. Our defense is nasty and held what was a top three offense last year to 12 points. We hung around with the Packers with our rookie QB that still has a lot of learning to do. Once he gets comfortable, this team is a super bowl contender. It might not be this year, but it won't be far off. I'm willing to admit that last call was bullshiat and GB should have won the game, but the Seahawks thoroughly dominated them for most of the game.


The Seahawk defense is good but the offense if pretty abysmal. Check GB's Defensive ranking from last year.
 
2012-09-25 01:43:21 PM  

SlothB77: Go to Here

At 1:05 Tate has both feet down in the end zone, but only his left arm on the ball. His right arm is flailing. Jennings has complete possession of the ball, but neither of his feet are on the ground.

At 1:07, Jennings' second foot touches the ground. At this point, both players have their arms wrapped around the ball and secured it. Tie possession goes to the received, assuming their was no offensive pass interference, Touchdown is the correct call.


Well, I suppose your interpretation is correct if Tate is allowed to catch Jennings and get credit for it.
 
2012-09-25 01:43:30 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: The Packers held the Seahawks to less yards and 7 points before the final play, yet it's the Packers who are blamed for not scoring more points? Who knew that offense was all that mattered, and a stellar defensive performance (by both teams) doesn't count?


To be fair, the game, in the absence of the refs, came down to the GB O-line. You might as well put tackle dummies or sleds on the field. They haven't been able to protect Rogers since he first set foot on the field and they aren't getting any better. If anything, they are getting progressively worse. That would be the story of this game if GB had won, and if we weren't talkin about refs *every day*.

/Somehow, Aaron Rogers kept it together and kept going out there, despite getting sacked on nearly 25% of his possessions. Meanwhile, much credit to the defense who responded to this anemic offense by holding the Seahawks to a single touchdown.
//Oh, and this new batch of zebras are the worst rookies since Ryan Leaf.
 
2012-09-25 01:44:03 PM  

IAmRight: I do like that people are complaining about a 50/50 call instead of the litany of blatantly awful calls/non-calls that constituted the entire second half.


Yeah, the final play might not be "50/50", but at least it's a judgement call. What in the bloody hell was the ref looking at when he called DPI on that 1st and 37? The defender never did anything. It's the calls like that that really show how bad this is.
 
2012-09-25 01:44:12 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: Rent Party: gulogulo: killershark: This. I totally understand why Green Bay felt they were robbed of a win, but it wouldn't have come down to a final call if the Packers actually played well last night. There were plenty of botched ref calls but letting your QB get sacked eight times in one half is on you.

No one's denying that the offensive line was terrible. But, that doesn't make the call any less highway robbery. They HAD scored points enough to win. They should not have lost it from that hail mary pass.

They scored a bunch of those points off blown calls. The Seahawks should have never had to toss that Hail Mary, had the refs not spotted the Packers 9 points.

The only blown call was the phantom PI, and I forget the players involved. Hands to the face was legit I think. Although I never really know how that penalty is supposed to work.


The blown PI spotted the Packers 7 that they shouldn't have had. That alone was enough to change the outcome.

But overturning the spot on Roger's run was bogus, too. There is no angle that doesn't show his knee down with the ball over the line, and you need "incontrovertible visual evidence" to overturn a call on the field. That spotted the Packers another three points.

Had this game been officiated correctly, the Packers would have been gutstomped by a defense that is looking more and more like the '85 Bears. There would have been no Hail Mary to cause such wailing and gnashing of teeth. There would have been a bunch of Marshawn Lynch between the tackles runs, and our Midget Rookie QB taking a knee twice.

Game over.
 
2012-09-25 01:44:28 PM  

Droog8912: SkittlesAreYum: pacified: Hey Green Bay, if you can only score 12 points, you don't "deserve" anything. 12 pts? WTF? Is that not a single touchdown?.

I am afraid you just disqualified yourself from discussing this. Go to the Entertainment tab instead.

At a glance it looks like they kicked 4 field goals, which is a reasonable assumption. Twelve points is a rare amount to score.


That's my point - at a glance. If you're going to come discuss a game, you'd better bother to either watch it or at least read it up on it. Hell, just looking at the box score will tell you the Packers did score a TD.
 
2012-09-25 01:45:47 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: IAmRight: I do like that people are complaining about a 50/50 call instead of the litany of blatantly awful calls/non-calls that constituted the entire second half.

Yeah, the final play might not be "50/50", but at least it's a judgement call. What in the bloody hell was the ref looking at when he called DPI on that 1st and 37? The defender never did anything. It's the calls like that that really show how bad this is.


The defender had a handful of Rice's jersey, which I think was where they justified DPI, but the correct call there was no call. Both players committed interference penalties on that play.
 
2012-09-25 01:46:31 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: BeesNuts: tallguywithglasseson: Also feel kinda bad (and kinda lulz) for people playing against Golden Tate in their fantasy leagues, who lost because of that call.

I farking have Romo AND Ogletree in my team. Week 1 was nice, btw :p

When that ref threw his hat under Ogletree's farking foot I damn near stuck my head in the oven. wtf is that shiat man. I squeaked a win out with like 5 points or so but fark's sake. I still don't even understand what the ref was *doing*, let alone why he chose to do it right then and there.

I believe when an offensive player goes out of bounds on a play, the ref throws his hat as a signal that he is not an "eligible player" to do anything during the play (until he "reestablishes himself in the field of play"). They normally throw the hat out of bounds.

Of course, Ogletree didn't go out of bounds so lord only knows why the guy threw his hat at all.


That's the explanation I heard when it happened. And the conclusion I drew when I watched the play again.

"Oh that makes sense. Weird place to throw his hat though. waitasec... The line is never closer than 2 feet from Ogle's foot. We're back to wtf territory again. gooooood work..."

I don't suppose you've heard any alternate theories at all? Maybe the ref had the TB defense on his fantasy squad?
 
2012-09-25 01:46:56 PM  

Rent Party: SkittlesAreYum: Rent Party: gulogulo: killershark: This. I totally understand why Green Bay felt they were robbed of a win, but it wouldn't have come down to a final call if the Packers actually played well last night. There were plenty of botched ref calls but letting your QB get sacked eight times in one half is on you.

No one's denying that the offensive line was terrible. But, that doesn't make the call any less highway robbery. They HAD scored points enough to win. They should not have lost it from that hail mary pass.

They scored a bunch of those points off blown calls. The Seahawks should have never had to toss that Hail Mary, had the refs not spotted the Packers 9 points.

The only blown call was the phantom PI, and I forget the players involved. Hands to the face was legit I think. Although I never really know how that penalty is supposed to work.

The blown PI spotted the Packers 7 that they shouldn't have had. That alone was enough to change the outcome.

But overturning the spot on Roger's run was bogus, too. There is no angle that doesn't show his knee down with the ball over the line, and you need "incontrovertible visual evidence" to overturn a call on the field. That spotted the Packers another three points..


I could not disagree more. The replay showed that Rodgers knee didn't hit until after the ball did, and the ball didn't move afterwards. Other angles showed the ball hit the turf at the first down marker. Combining the two results in an easy overturn.
 
2012-09-25 01:47:44 PM  
The NFL could easily solve this problem overnight but instead they could care less about the integrity of the game and think they can get away with replacement refs. Apparently they are right as people continue to go to the games and controversial calls like this just make the games even more popular. If fans continue to buy the product that the NFL thinks they can get away with then they have no one to blame but themselves.
 
2012-09-25 01:48:16 PM  

Treygreen13: The NFL just released a statement supporting the decision.


Maximum trolling!!!
 
2012-09-25 01:48:48 PM  
Anything that pisses Wisconsin off should be considered a win for the rest of the nation.
 
2012-09-25 01:49:32 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: Rent Party: SkittlesAreYum: Rent Party: gulogulo: killershark: This. I totally understand why Green Bay felt they were robbed of a win, but it wouldn't have come down to a final call if the Packers actually played well last night. There were plenty of botched ref calls but letting your QB get sacked eight times in one half is on you.

No one's denying that the offensive line was terrible. But, that doesn't make the call any less highway robbery. They HAD scored points enough to win. They should not have lost it from that hail mary pass.

They scored a bunch of those points off blown calls. The Seahawks should have never had to toss that Hail Mary, had the refs not spotted the Packers 9 points.

The only blown call was the phantom PI, and I forget the players involved. Hands to the face was legit I think. Although I never really know how that penalty is supposed to work.

The blown PI spotted the Packers 7 that they shouldn't have had. That alone was enough to change the outcome.

But overturning the spot on Roger's run was bogus, too. There is no angle that doesn't show his knee down with the ball over the line, and you need "incontrovertible visual evidence" to overturn a call on the field. That spotted the Packers another three points..

I could not disagree more. The replay showed that Rodgers knee didn't hit until after the ball did, and the ball didn't move afterwards. Other angles showed the ball hit the turf at the first down marker. Combining the two results in an easy overturn.


That's incorrect. Rodger's knee hit before the ball was down, but a 1st down was correct in that the ball was over the line when his knee hit. It doesn't metter whether the ball hits the ground, but rather how far upfield the ball is when the knee hits. The knee ends the play, but the ball was over the line at the time the knee hit. It was called correctly on the review.
 
2012-09-25 01:49:36 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: Zoophagous: gulogulo: Zoophagous: Bad calls are part of the game, deal with it.

This is what a Seahawks fan will tell themselves to justify a win they didn't deserve. This was beyond a simple "bad call."

As I don't play for the Seahawks I don't deserve anything. I am just a fan. However the Seahawks put themselves in a position to win.

They sacked Rodgers 9 times. 9. They held the Packers to less than 300 yards total offense. The Seattle defense dominated the Packers for 3 of 4 quarters. The Seattle defense held the Packers to 12 points.

The Packer defense could have ended the game with a simple 1st down in the final two minutes. Instead they allowed Brandon Browner to knife in and force a fumble resulting in a loss inside the 5 yard line.

The Packers lost and deserved to lose. They let the game come down to a hail mary with time running out.

Stop whining.

The Packers held the Seahawks to less yards and 7 points before the final play, yet it's the Packers who are blamed for not scoring more points? Who knew that offense was all that mattered, and a stellar defensive performance (by both teams) doesn't count?

The Packers likely would have ended the game on the interception that was overturned on a patently incorrect roughing the passer call. So that's 1.

Then the terrible PI call on 1st and 4,432 where Sidney Rice climbed Sam Shields like an oak tree, and DPI was flagged, greatly improving field position even though the Seahawks didn't score. So that's 2.

Then the Packers intercepted the ball in the end zone. So that's 3.

So three times the Packers likely ended the game, only to be screwed. What is the required number of plays to make before the refs don't matter? It must be at least four. Damn them, only getting three.


Three different plays where the refs got something wrong AND the result if they had gotten it right would have turned the tide of the game, ya say?

Doubt you were weeping tears for THAT game.

/you got screwed
//it makes me giggle
///not enough though, you only lost a game
 
2012-09-25 01:50:55 PM  

Rent Party: gutstomped by a defense that is looking more and more like the '85 Bears.


The '85 Bears? Yeah, I don't remember the 85 bears giving up 20 points in a loss to the Cardinals.
 
2012-09-25 01:51:02 PM  
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2012-09-25 01:51:20 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: SkittlesAreYum: Zoophagous: gulogulo: Zoophagous: Bad calls are part of the game, deal with it.

This is what a Seahawks fan will tell themselves to justify a win they didn't deserve. This was beyond a simple "bad call."

As I don't play for the Seahawks I don't deserve anything. I am just a fan. However the Seahawks put themselves in a position to win.

They sacked Rodgers 9 times. 9. They held the Packers to less than 300 yards total offense. The Seattle defense dominated the Packers for 3 of 4 quarters. The Seattle defense held the Packers to 12 points.

The Packer defense could have ended the game with a simple 1st down in the final two minutes. Instead they allowed Brandon Browner to knife in and force a fumble resulting in a loss inside the 5 yard line.

The Packers lost and deserved to lose. They let the game come down to a hail mary with time running out.

Stop whining.

The Packers held the Seahawks to less yards and 7 points before the final play, yet it's the Packers who are blamed for not scoring more points? Who knew that offense was all that mattered, and a stellar defensive performance (by both teams) doesn't count?

The Packers likely would have ended the game on the interception that was overturned on a patently incorrect roughing the passer call. So that's 1.

Then the terrible PI call on 1st and 4,432 where Sidney Rice climbed Sam Shields like an oak tree, and DPI was flagged, greatly improving field position even though the Seahawks didn't score. So that's 2.

Then the Packers intercepted the ball in the end zone. So that's 3.

So three times the Packers likely ended the game, only to be screwed. What is the required number of plays to make before the refs don't matter? It must be at least four. Damn them, only getting three.

Three different plays where the refs got something wrong AND the result if they had gotten it right would have turned the tide of the game, ya say?

Doubt you were weeping tears for THAT game.

/you got screwed
//it makes m ...


I've talked about this with my Vikings fan friends. Vikings deserved to win that game, and it was some awful officiating. I've never told a Vikes fan they can't complain about that game.
 
2012-09-25 01:52:34 PM  
This is not about the last bad call in a game filled with bad calls.

Wilson is right.
Seattle beat the Packers.

You can go back to any bad call (including 3 that extended two of GB scoring drives!), and argue outcome.
The last bad call is just the easy one to pick on.

BOTH teams had crappy calls and had the same disadvantage throughout the game. It wasn't just ONE play.
Seattle deserved this win just as GB deserved the loss.

And also...
nobody would give this much of a shiat if it was the Seahawks who had the final call blown.

/get over it
//get rid of the Scabs
 
2012-09-25 01:54:21 PM  

seumasokelly:

That's incorrect. Rodger's knee hit before the ball was down, but a 1st down was correct in that the ball was over the line when his knee hit. It doesn't metter whether the ball hits the ground, but rather how far upfield the ball is when the knee hits. The knee ends the play, but the ball was over the line at the time the knee hit. It was called correctly on the review.


That's how you rule a spot, but the ball wasn't over the line. The yellow line on TV isn't definitive.
 
2012-09-25 01:54:46 PM  
SkittlesAreYum:
Then the terrible PI call on 1st and 4,432 where Sidney Rice climbed Sam Shields like an oak tree, and DPI was flagged, greatly improving field position even though the Seahawks didn't score. So that's 2.

Not to mention the facemask committed by Rice on that play, which wasn't called.
 
2012-09-25 01:55:07 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: Jim from Saint Paul: SkittlesAreYum: Zoophagous: gulogulo: Zoophagous: Bad calls are part of the game, deal with it.

This is what a Seahawks fan will tell themselves to justify a win they didn't deserve. This was beyond a simple "bad call."

As I don't play for the Seahawks I don't deserve anything. I am just a fan. However the Seahawks put themselves in a position to win.

They sacked Rodgers 9 times. 9. They held the Packers to less than 300 yards total offense. The Seattle defense dominated the Packers for 3 of 4 quarters. The Seattle defense held the Packers to 12 points.

The Packer defense could have ended the game with a simple 1st down in the final two minutes. Instead they allowed Brandon Browner to knife in and force a fumble resulting in a loss inside the 5 yard line.

The Packers lost and deserved to lose. They let the game come down to a hail mary with time running out.

Stop whining.

The Packers held the Seahawks to less yards and 7 points before the final play, yet it's the Packers who are blamed for not scoring more points? Who knew that offense was all that mattered, and a stellar defensive performance (by both teams) doesn't count?

The Packers likely would have ended the game on the interception that was overturned on a patently incorrect roughing the passer call. So that's 1.

Then the terrible PI call on 1st and 4,432 where Sidney Rice climbed Sam Shields like an oak tree, and DPI was flagged, greatly improving field position even though the Seahawks didn't score. So that's 2.

Then the Packers intercepted the ball in the end zone. So that's 3.

So three times the Packers likely ended the game, only to be screwed. What is the required number of plays to make before the refs don't matter? It must be at least four. Damn them, only getting three.

Three different plays where the refs got something wrong AND the result if they had gotten it right would have turned the tide of the game, ya say?

Doubt you were weeping tears for THAT game.

/you got ...


Then please continue your biatching about last night, as it is warnted.
 
2012-09-25 01:56:15 PM  

Treygreen13: Rent Party: gutstomped by a defense that is looking more and more like the '85 Bears.

The '85 Bears? Yeah, I don't remember the 85 bears giving up 20 points in a loss to the Cardinals.


Yeah, they gave up 27 to the Bucks instead.

And I think you mean the 3-0 Cardinals.
 
2012-09-25 01:58:16 PM  

Rent Party: seumasokelly:

That's incorrect. Rodger's knee hit before the ball was down, but a 1st down was correct in that the ball was over the line when his knee hit. It doesn't metter whether the ball hits the ground, but rather how far upfield the ball is when the knee hits. The knee ends the play, but the ball was over the line at the time the knee hit. It was called correctly on the review.

That's how you rule a spot, but the ball wasn't over the line. The yellow line on TV isn't definitive.


I'm aware that ESPN doesn't get to decide 1st downs. The call on the review was correct.
 
2012-09-25 02:00:23 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: Rent Party: SkittlesAreYum: Rent Party: gulogulo: killershark: This. I totally understand why Green Bay felt they were robbed of a win, but it wouldn't have come down to a final call if the Packers actually played well last night. There were plenty of botched ref calls but letting your QB get sacked eight times in one half is on you.

No one's denying that the offensive line was terrible. But, that doesn't make the call any less highway robbery. They HAD scored points enough to win. They should not have lost it from that hail mary pass.

They scored a bunch of those points off blown calls. The Seahawks should have never had to toss that Hail Mary, had the refs not spotted the Packers 9 points.

The only blown call was the phantom PI, and I forget the players involved. Hands to the face was legit I think. Although I never really know how that penalty is supposed to work.

The blown PI spotted the Packers 7 that they shouldn't have had. That alone was enough to change the outcome.

But overturning the spot on Roger's run was bogus, too. There is no angle that doesn't show his knee down with the ball over the line, and you need "incontrovertible visual evidence" to overturn a call on the field. That spotted the Packers another three points..

I could not disagree more. The replay showed that Rodgers knee didn't hit until after the ball did, and the ball didn't move afterwards. Other angles showed the ball hit the turf at the first down marker. Combining the two results in an easy overturn.


That hasn't traditionally been enough though. The old refs were pretty conservative about overturning calls, and when multiple angles had to be combined like that, or multiple visual cues had to be monitored across multiple angles, the ruling typically remained unchanged. Unfortunately there's no hard and fast rule about what "incontrovertible video evidence" is, so like most calls, it's up to the officials' discretion. Since the old officials had meetings like... every farking week. Meetings in which they broke down tape as much as the players and coaches do and examine the calls they made. Meetings in which, over the course of years and years, have manifested themselves in relative consistency.

The old refs represent a significant investment on the part of the NFL. This strikes me as bad business.
 
2012-09-25 02:00:52 PM  

Rent Party: Yeah, they gave up 27 to the Bucks instead.

And I think you mean the 3-0 Cardinals.


The 85 Bears lost to the Miami Dolphins and gave up 38 points. Just pump the brakes on comparing a 2*-1 team to the '85 Bears.
 
2012-09-25 02:03:13 PM  

machoprogrammer: To me, as a Packers fan, the worst part is Tate and Wilson acting like they actually made the play and the play was not made by the refs. At least make a statement like "It was a close call and we got the benefit of the doubt", not one saying you made the fantastic play.


I don't know what you're talking about.
 
2012-09-25 02:05:35 PM  

Rent Party: SkittlesAreYum: Rent Party: gulogulo: killershark: This. I totally understand why Green Bay felt they were robbed of a win, but it wouldn't have come down to a final call if the Packers actually played well last night. There were plenty of botched ref calls but letting your QB get sacked eight times in one half is on you.

No one's denying that the offensive line was terrible. But, that doesn't make the call any less highway robbery. They HAD scored points enough to win. They should not have lost it from that hail mary pass.

They scored a bunch of those points off blown calls. The Seahawks should have never had to toss that Hail Mary, had the refs not spotted the Packers 9 points.

The only blown call was the phantom PI, and I forget the players involved. Hands to the face was legit I think. Although I never really know how that penalty is supposed to work.

The blown PI spotted the Packers 7 that they shouldn't have had. That alone was enough to change the outcome.

But overturning the spot on Roger's run was bogus, too. There is no angle that doesn't show his knee down with the ball over the line, and you need "incontrovertible visual evidence" to overturn a call on the field. That spotted the Packers another three points.

Had this game been officiated correctly, the Packers would have been gutstomped by a defense that is looking more and more like the '85 Bears. There would have been no Hail Mary to cause such wailing and gnashing of teeth. There would have been a bunch of Marshawn Lynch between the tackles runs, and our Midget Rookie QB taking a knee twice.

Game over.


Thanks, Splat hasn't laughed that hard in years, maybe since '85. The Niners have a better D and they're in the same division.
 
2012-09-25 02:08:19 PM  

splat the whale: Rent Party: SkittlesAreYum: Rent Party: gulogulo: killershark: This. I totally understand why Green Bay felt they were robbed of a win, but it wouldn't have come down to a final call if the Packers actually played well last night. There were plenty of botched ref calls but letting your QB get sacked eight times in one half is on you.

No one's denying that the offensive line was terrible. But, that doesn't make the call any less highway robbery. They HAD scored points enough to win. They should not have lost it from that hail mary pass.

They scored a bunch of those points off blown calls. The Seahawks should have never had to toss that Hail Mary, had the refs not spotted the Packers 9 points.

The only blown call was the phantom PI, and I forget the players involved. Hands to the face was legit I think. Although I never really know how that penalty is supposed to work.

The blown PI spotted the Packers 7 that they shouldn't have had. That alone was enough to change the outcome.

But overturning the spot on Roger's run was bogus, too. There is no angle that doesn't show his knee down with the ball over the line, and you need "incontrovertible visual evidence" to overturn a call on the field. That spotted the Packers another three points.

Had this game been officiated correctly, the Packers would have been gutstomped by a defense that is looking more and more like the '85 Bears. There would have been no Hail Mary to cause such wailing and gnashing of teeth. There would have been a bunch of Marshawn Lynch between the tackles runs, and our Midget Rookie QB taking a knee twice.

Game over.

Thanks, Splat hasn't laughed that hard in years, maybe since '85. The Niners have a better D and they're in the same division.


And 5 timeouts.

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2012-09-25 02:09:32 PM  

Treygreen13: Rent Party: Yeah, they gave up 27 to the Bucks instead.

And I think you mean the 3-0 Cardinals.

The 85 Bears lost to the Miami Dolphins and gave up 38 points. Just pump the brakes on comparing a 2*-1 team to the '85 Bears.


The Seattle defense sacked the League MVP 9 times. The #3 offense in all of football came up with a combined 58 yards for their top three receivers. Barring two bad calls, the Packers scored three points against them. Their top rusher had 45 yards, and most of that came in the 2nd half where the Packers were forced to bring in 3 Tight Ends to keep the Hawks defensive line at bay.

That defense is farking awesome.
 
2012-09-25 02:10:50 PM  

pacified: Hey Green Bay, if you can only score 12 points, you don't "deserve" anything. 12 pts? WTF? Is that not a single touchdown?

Pathetic.

Maybe Rodgers should stop doing so many TV commercials and be a QB.


12 Goddamn points? That's it?

You can't say Goddamn on the radio.

Ahh, nobody's listening.
 
2012-09-25 02:12:59 PM  

Rent Party: Treygreen13: Rent Party: Yeah, they gave up 27 to the Bucks instead.

And I think you mean the 3-0 Cardinals.

The 85 Bears lost to the Miami Dolphins and gave up 38 points. Just pump the brakes on comparing a 2*-1 team to the '85 Bears.

The Seattle defense sacked the League MVP 9 times. The #3 offense in all of football came up with a combined 58 yards for their top three receivers. Barring two bad calls, the Packers scored three points against them. Their top rusher had 45 yards, and most of that came in the 2nd half where the Packers were forced to bring in 3 Tight Ends to keep the Hawks defensive line at bay.

That defense is farking awesome.


The Seahawks also have won one game this season, out of three. They have one loss and one travesty of a game that should be stricken from the record books.

Any comparison to the 85 Bears is ridiculous.
 
2012-09-25 02:18:15 PM  

born_yesterday: machoprogrammer: To me, as a Packers fan, the worst part is Tate and Wilson acting like they actually made the play and the play was not made by the refs. At least make a statement like "It was a close call and we got the benefit of the doubt", not one saying you made the fantastic play.

I don't know what you're talking about.

 


Phenomenal.
 
2012-09-25 02:19:41 PM  
What happened to Rodgers in the first quarter is ENTIRELY the fault of a bad call in the 4th.

Suck on it Packer Backers, suck it long and hard.

LOL
 
2012-09-25 02:26:13 PM  

Rent Party: The Seattle defense sacked the League MVP 9 times. The #3 offense in all of football came up with a combined 58 yards for their top three receivers. Barring two bad calls, the Packers scored three points against them. Their top rusher had 45 yards, and most of that came in the 2nd half where the Packers were forced to bring in 3 Tight Ends to keep the Hawks defensive line at bay.


Sounds like a Winner to me.


LOL
 
2012-09-25 02:26:25 PM  
The Seahawks dominated the game. The TD drive by the Pack was helped by a godawful PI call where Chancellor didn't even touch the receiver. Their FG drive had another godawful call, the hands to the face call, I think. Without those calls, the conversation would be about the the Seahawks D just basically smushed the Packers under their heels. Final score 7-3.
 
2012-09-25 02:27:16 PM  

Zoophagous: They sacked Rodgers 9 times.



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2012-09-25 02:27:24 PM  
You should have seen the level of butthurt at the Clink last night. Epic.
 
2012-09-25 02:29:13 PM  

Treygreen13: Rent Party: Treygreen13: Rent Party: Yeah, they gave up 27 to the Bucks instead.

And I think you mean the 3-0 Cardinals.

The 85 Bears lost to the Miami Dolphins and gave up 38 points. Just pump the brakes on comparing a 2*-1 team to the '85 Bears.

The Seattle defense sacked the League MVP 9 times. The #3 offense in all of football came up with a combined 58 yards for their top three receivers. Barring two bad calls, the Packers scored three points against them. Their top rusher had 45 yards, and most of that came in the 2nd half where the Packers were forced to bring in 3 Tight Ends to keep the Hawks defensive line at bay.

That defense is farking awesome.

The Seahawks also have won one game this season, out of three. They have one loss and one travesty of a game that should be stricken from the record books.

Any comparison to the 85 Bears is ridiculous.


They have won 2 games. They beat the Packers hands down. Without the assistance of the referees, the Packers score 3 points last night. That is how good that defense is.
 
2012-09-25 02:34:21 PM  

Rent Party: They have won 2 games. They beat the Packers hands down. Without the assistance of the referees, the Packers score 3 points last night. That is how good that defense is.


And without the assistance of the referees, the Seahawks won. At least the Packers were "helped" into scoring position. The Seahawks were literally gifted a win. Not to mention the referees swallowing the whistle on that little smug prick Golden Tate's fail for the 2nd straight week.

I'm already sick of talking about this. The refs need to come back so we don't have to argue who was helped more prominently into the position to win.
 
2012-09-25 02:35:05 PM  
*with the assistance, typo'd my past remark
 
2012-09-25 02:36:03 PM  
These are not the crappy calls you're looking for...
 
2012-09-25 02:36:29 PM  
What amuses me is that the Packer's fans sound like the Hawk fans after the Super Bowl.
 
2012-09-25 02:42:29 PM  

Rent Party: They have won 2 games.


Yep. That's it.
 
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