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(The Citizen)   The little racist journalist and his white dog are allowed back in the Swedish library. Blistering Barnacles   (thelocal.se) divider line 50
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2012-09-25 12:17:44 PM  
Everybody's a little racist
 
2012-09-25 12:17:54 PM  
Tits.

/That is all
 
2012-09-25 12:19:13 PM  
Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2012-09-25 12:20:40 PM  
So Steven Spielberg is a racist now? I'll believe it when I see it...
 
2012-09-25 12:20:52 PM  

mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist


I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.
 
2012-09-25 12:23:21 PM  

CygnusDarius: mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.


because obviously the most "racist" people are also the most scientific, and are willing to alter their views when presented clear scientific evidence and move forward with their lives.
 
2012-09-25 12:24:18 PM  

farbekrieg: because obviously the most "racist" people are also the most scientific, and are willing to alter their views when presented clear scientific evidence and move forward with their lives.


Sadly, this.

/Now, if you excuse me
//I'll go cry in a corner, and listen to Morrisey
 
2012-09-25 12:25:44 PM  

CygnusDarius: mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.


No, I mean racist. There's a song and everything.
 
2012-09-25 12:28:38 PM  
Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-25 12:28:59 PM  
CygnusDarius Smartest
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2012-09-25 12:20:52 PM


mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.




There are no "races". There are no "people" or "society". There are only individuals
We are all one with Mother Earth
Blessed be.
 
2012-09-25 12:29:19 PM  
'Xenophobia' can be somehow scientifically defined. Racism, however, cannot. Because in the case of racism, you'd have to assemble a list of aspects of a person, that constitutes their 'race'. Which doesn't exist.
 
2012-09-25 12:30:23 PM  

evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x271]


O.O

Sweet baby jesus making love to Budha in a loveshack while Allah tapes it and John Smith gives him a reach-around.

/How many hells have I just condemned myself for that phrase?
 
2012-09-25 12:36:45 PM  

doubled99: CygnusDarius Smartest
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2012-09-25 12:20:52 PM


mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.



There are no "races". There are no "people" or "society". There are only individuals
We are all one with Mother Earth
Blessed be.


I need you to pass that bong over my direction, please...
 
2012-09-25 12:38:03 PM  

TXEric: doubled99: CygnusDarius Smartest
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2012-09-25 12:20:52 PM


mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.



There are no "races". There are no "people" or "society". There are only individuals
We are all one with Mother Earth
Blessed be.

I need you to pass that bong over my direction, please...


You know, I've never smoke any, mostly because I don't smoke at all, I never got the habit.

Now, brownies? I'd try it, maybe.
 
2012-09-25 12:39:36 PM  

CygnusDarius: evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x271]

O.O

Sweet baby jesus making love to Budha in a loveshack while Allah tapes it and John Smith gives him a reach-around.

/How many hells have I just condemned myself for that phrase?


Logistically that's not possible.

If JC is giving it to Bhuddah then he is the only person who can give a courtesy tug to Big B.
John Smith can't be giving a "reach around" to either of them. He can whack off himself, Bhuddah, or Allah though...
 
2012-09-25 12:40:50 PM  

CygnusDarius: mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.


Hmm you're from Mexico, did you try that line out when you jumped a fence in Arizona?

/I kid because I love
//if it wasn't for the local Mexican market I'd have had no idea on all the options I had for purchasing "flaming peppers of death and destruction"
 
2012-09-25 12:41:14 PM  
Banning any book serves no purpose but further our ignorance. However, this would probably be the last Tintin book I would buy because it is rather crude In style and content, which is understandable considering he had not fine tuned it yet.

While on the subject, I hated Steven Speilbergs treatment.
 
2012-09-25 12:42:02 PM  

CygnusDarius: TXEric: doubled99: CygnusDarius Smartest
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2012-09-25 12:20:52 PM


mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.



There are no "races". There are no "people" or "society". There are only individuals
We are all one with Mother Earth
Blessed be.

I need you to pass that bong over my direction, please...

You know, I've never smoke any, mostly because I don't smoke at all, I never got the habit.

Now, brownies? I'd try it, maybe.


Yes. Makes me harken back to the halcyon days of the 70's...

BTW, I am in need of a plate of brownies just to put up with this damned WoW ad campaign.
Not quite as annoying as that stupid dancing Yoda freak from last time, but Kee-rist, it's a pain in the ass.

/I know, AdBlock, etc...
 
2012-09-25 12:43:58 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: 'Xenophobia' can be somehow scientifically defined. Racism, however, cannot. Because in the case of racism, you'd have to assemble a list of aspects of a person, that constitutes their 'race'. Which doesn't exist.


imageshack.us
 
2012-09-25 12:49:57 PM  

ha-ha-guy: CygnusDarius: mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.

Hmm you're from Mexico, did you try that line out when you jumped a fence in Arizona?

/I kid because I love
//if it wasn't for the local Mexican market I'd have had no idea on all the options I had for purchasing "flaming peppers of death and destruction"


LOL, I'd love to, but I don't wanna wear pink pajamas.

/Not all peppers are flaming
//Some are explosive
///And some are good eatin'
 
2012-09-25 12:54:26 PM  

evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!


To be fair, King Pirate Boots doesn't sound to fair himself.

I'm pretty sure, though, the people under their rule found them to be taxing people. I mean, those Belgian Waffles were apparently worth an arm and a leg, and those damn Belgians didn't even send the waffles. You thought Native Americans got screwed... The natives there didn't even get the Great State of Oklahoma, or an arm/leg refund, for that matter.
 
2012-09-25 12:56:06 PM  
Just because race is a social construct doesn't mean it's not real.
 
2012-09-25 12:59:51 PM  

AR 15-6: evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

To be fair, King Pirate Boots doesn't sound to fair himself.

I'm pretty sure, though, the people under their rule found them to be taxing people. I mean, those Belgian Waffles were apparently worth an arm and a leg, and those damn Belgians didn't even send the waffles. You thought Native Americans got screwed... The natives there didn't even get the Great State of Oklahoma, or an arm/leg refund, for that matter.


When it comes to the European colonists, the Spaniards were the 'nicer' ones (from what I've read).

/The worst were the French
 
2012-09-25 01:03:42 PM  

Bad_Seed: Just because race is a social construct doesn't mean it's not real.


Ok, I'll bite that statement... You mean we can't explain that?
 
2012-09-25 01:08:12 PM  

AR 15-6: Bad_Seed: Just because race is a social construct doesn't mean it's not real.

Ok, I'll bite that statement... You mean we can't explain that?


No, I mean that just because something is invented by humans doesn't mean it's not real.
 
2012-09-25 01:09:15 PM  

CygnusDarius: AR 15-6: evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

To be fair, King Pirate Boots doesn't sound to fair himself.

I'm pretty sure, though, the people under their rule found them to be taxing people. I mean, those Belgian Waffles were apparently worth an arm and a leg, and those damn Belgians didn't even send the waffles. You thought Native Americans got screwed... The natives there didn't even get the Great State of Oklahoma, or an arm/leg refund, for that matter.

When it comes to the European colonists, the Spaniards were the 'nicer' ones (from what I've read).

/The worst were the French


The experience of Vietnam and Northern African suggests you may be correct.
 
2012-09-25 01:14:14 PM  

Bad_Seed: Just because race is a social construct doesn't mean it's not real.


No, but it makes it damn hard to define what 'racism' is in an objective manner. That's all.
 
2012-09-25 01:16:37 PM  

evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x271]


Different times. Not defending it, but when society as a whole believes there is nothing wrong with those caricatures, there is no impetus for an artist to feel any compunction in drawing them.
 
2012-09-25 01:17:42 PM  

Fano: CygnusDarius: AR 15-6: evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

To be fair, King Pirate Boots doesn't sound to fair himself.

I'm pretty sure, though, the people under their rule found them to be taxing people. I mean, those Belgian Waffles were apparently worth an arm and a leg, and those damn Belgians didn't even send the waffles. You thought Native Americans got screwed... The natives there didn't even get the Great State of Oklahoma, or an arm/leg refund, for that matter.

When it comes to the European colonists, the Spaniards were the 'nicer' ones (from what I've read).

/The worst were the French

The experience of Vietnam and Northern African suggests you may be correct.


Belgium.
Link
 
2012-09-25 01:18:16 PM  

gunga galunga: evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x271]

Different times. Not defending it, but when society as a whole believes there is nothing wrong with those caricatures, there is no impetus for an artist to feel any compunction in drawing them.


This. Hell, we still have it, but it's more passive-aggressive at this rate.
 
2012-09-25 01:20:20 PM  

CygnusDarius: When it comes to the European colonists, the Spaniards were the 'nicer' ones (from what I've read).

/The worst were the French



I thought the rankings generally went from best to worst:

1. British
2. Spanish
3. Dutch
4. Italian
5. French
6. Belgian

The Italians were just as ill-intentioned as the French and Belgians, they just weren't as good at it.
 
2012-09-25 01:24:34 PM  
Matt Lauer has a little white dog?
 
2012-09-25 01:27:57 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Bad_Seed: Just because race is a social construct doesn't mean it's not real.

No, but it makes it damn hard to define what 'racism' is in an objective manner. That's all.


You mean as in "Birthers are racist", "No, they're not, your the real racist for suggesting that they are racist."

Or, sticking with Tintin, is this racist?
www.freeimagehosting.net

I don't see how defining race naturalistically helps us to objectively define what is racist. We have no problem in identifying sex objectively (apart form a few ambiguous cases), but there's no real consensus on what is and isn't sexist.
 
2012-09-25 01:30:24 PM  

mainsail: Belgium.
Link


This text is now purple: CygnusDarius: When it comes to the European colonists, the Spaniards were the 'nicer' ones (from what I've read).

/The worst were the French


I thought the rankings generally went from best to worst:

1. British
2. Spanish
3. Dutch
4. Italian
5. French
6. Belgian

The Italians were just as ill-intentioned as the French and Belgians, they just weren't as good at it.


Damn, and here I thought the French were brute bastards when it came to conquest. I guess you can't make waffles without destroying people's lives.

Also, where do the Portuguese fall in all of this?.
 
2012-09-25 01:33:38 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: 'Xenophobia' can be somehow scientifically defined..


wat.
 
2012-09-25 01:44:38 PM  
The man in the yellow hat with his monkey approves.
 
2012-09-25 01:46:42 PM  

CygnusDarius: mainsail: Belgium.
Link

This text is now purple: CygnusDarius: When it comes to the European colonists, the Spaniards were the 'nicer' ones (from what I've read).

/The worst were the French


I thought the rankings generally went from best to worst:

1. British
2. Spanish
3. Dutch
4. Italian
5. French
6. Belgian

The Italians were just as ill-intentioned as the French and Belgians, they just weren't as good at it.

Damn, and here I thought the French were brute bastards when it came to conquest. I guess you can't make waffles without destroying people's lives.

Also, where do the Portuguese fall in all of this?.


I believe the Ports suck more just ruling themselves at the moment...
 
2012-09-25 01:48:26 PM  
Might as well post some more racist Tintin panels.
www.freeimagehosting.net

Later on Tintin becomes chief of a village, after chasing away the old, corrupt chief. 
www.freeimagehosting.net

Still, we might be able to civilize them a little... 
www.freeimagehosting.net
 
2012-09-25 01:49:37 PM  

CygnusDarius: mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.


Call it what you want. But it exists.

Link 

What is clear, though, is that human populations are genetically different, and can be diagnosed as genetically different using multiple pieces of DNA. Thus, although you may not be able to determine the geographic origin of a single person simply by looking at her morphology, you may be able to do that pretty accurately by combining information from lots of genes.
 
2012-09-25 01:56:02 PM  
I really like Hergé's depiction of the Congolese on the train, dressed in fancy European clothing. The album was drawn in the 30s, I know that in the 50s there was a big trend for Congolese men to dress like dandies. I wonder if he's depicting a precursor of it, or if he just made it up.

Here's a recent Congolese depiction:
www.caacart.com
 
2012-09-25 01:58:14 PM  

keypusher: CygnusDarius: mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.

Call it what you want. But it exists.

Link 

What is clear, though, is that human populations are genetically different, and can be diagnosed as genetically different using multiple pieces of DNA. Thus, although you may not be able to determine the geographic origin of a single person simply by looking at her morphology, you may be able to do that pretty accurately by combining information from lots of genes.


Yes, but our differences between each of us are no more different than a Pomerian is different from a St. Bernarnd.

What most call 'race' is nothing else but a centuries-long version of dog breeding.
 
2012-09-25 02:08:37 PM  

CygnusDarius: keypusher: CygnusDarius: mike_d85: Everybody's a little racist

I think the term xenophobic should be more apropos, because racism applies that we are substantially different, when it's been proven with science (thank you Human Genome Project) that there is no such thing as race, just a different composition of proteins.

Call it what you want. But it exists.

Link 

What is clear, though, is that human populations are genetically different, and can be diagnosed as genetically different using multiple pieces of DNA. Thus, although you may not be able to determine the geographic origin of a single person simply by looking at her morphology, you may be able to do that pretty accurately by combining information from lots of genes.

Yes, but our differences between each of us are no more different than a Pomerian is different from a St. Bernarnd.

What most call 'race' is nothing else but a centuries-long version of dog breeding.


There's a heck of a lot of difference between a Pomeranian and a St. Bernard.
 
2012-09-25 02:11:24 PM  

evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x271]


You know, those caricatures are so far removed from reality, that I wouldn't be able to tell they were supposed to be africans if I hadn't already known.
 
2012-09-25 02:22:07 PM  
Racism:

rac·ism - noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm

1: a belief white people belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2: racial prejudice or discrimination discrimination by white people

3: anything EVERYTHING that white people do that non-whites don't agree with
 
2012-09-25 02:32:32 PM  

genner: There's a heck of a lot of difference between a Pomeranian and a St. Bernard.


Yes, but they're both Canis lupus familiaris.
 
2012-09-25 03:08:01 PM  

CygnusDarius: mainsail: Belgium.
Link

This text is now purple: CygnusDarius: When it comes to the European colonists, the Spaniards were the 'nicer' ones (from what I've read).

/The worst were the French


I thought the rankings generally went from best to worst:

1. British
2. Spanish
3. Dutch
4. Italian
5. French
6. Belgian

The Italians were just as ill-intentioned as the French and Belgians, they just weren't as good at it.

Damn, and here I thought the French were brute bastards when it came to conquest. I guess you can't make waffles without destroying people's lives.

Also, where do the Portuguese fall in all of this?.



I'm curious about this - I'll always heard that the French were comparatively benign to the Indians, at least in Canada, since the trappers needed the Indians' help (mainly because it was mostly private enterprise that drove the colonization of Quebec, since the French crown was too busy slaughtering their protestants to care about expansion into the New World, at least at the start.) Of course, the French in Africa might be a different story, I know they were brutal in Algeria, but that was more during the Algerian push for independence, rather than the actual colonizing of the place.

And I don't think the Brits or Spanish were angels as far as their colonial habits with the natives. But yeah, the Belgians were total bastards in the Congo.
 
2012-09-25 03:13:21 PM  
This seems like a gross oversimplification of the ethnic depictions in the Tintin stories. The early ones were certainly rife with horrible stereotypes, but Herge's style (and his politics) evolved over time; he became a diligent researcher, and went to great lengths to portray cultures accurately in his work.
 
2012-09-25 04:19:26 PM  

Greystoke: This seems like a gross oversimplification of the ethnic depictions in the Tintin stories. The early ones were certainly rife with horrible stereotypes, but Herge's style (and his politics) evolved over time; he became a diligent researcher, and went to great lengths to portray cultures accurately in his work.


This. For anyone interested in learning more about Herge and Tintin, I highly recommend the Michael Farr books.

/Spent age 4-9 in Belgium, so yes, I'm a shame-free Tintin fanboy, and my son is too
 
2012-09-25 07:37:56 PM  
Herge eventually realized how bad it was and distanced himself from Tintin in the Congo.

Apparently Belgium's occupation of the Congo was so bad, the other European powers denounced it and they were far from saints.
 
2012-09-26 02:37:41 AM  

Sirveaux: CygnusDarius: mainsail: Belgium.
Link

This text is now purple: CygnusDarius: When it comes to the European colonists, the Spaniards were the 'nicer' ones (from what I've read).

/The worst were the French


I thought the rankings generally went from best to worst:

1. British
2. Spanish
3. Dutch
4. Italian
5. French
6. Belgian

The Italians were just as ill-intentioned as the French and Belgians, they just weren't as good at it.

Damn, and here I thought the French were brute bastards when it came to conquest. I guess you can't make waffles without destroying people's lives.

Also, where do the Portuguese fall in all of this?.


I'm curious about this - I'll always heard that the French were comparatively benign to the Indians, at least in Canada, since the trappers needed the Indians' help (mainly because it was mostly private enterprise that drove the colonization of Quebec, since the French crown was too busy slaughtering their protestants to care about expansion into the New World, at least at the start.) Of course, the French in Africa might be a different story, I know they were brutal in Algeria, but that was more during the Algerian push for independence, rather than the actual colonizing of the place.

And I don't think the Brits or Spanish were angels as far as their colonial habits with the natives. But yeah, the Belgians were total bastards in the Congo.


It could be argued that in the Americas, things were very different from Africa. For example, no one was worse for the South American natives than the Spaniards while, as you correctly pointed out, the French were pretty good. They never, for example, colonized the natives with claims that the king of France was to be the king of the natives, though they did convert as many as they could to Catholicism. They recognized native nations for what they were, made strategic alliances with some, took sides in some of the local wars, and generally tried to trade with all of them. It was not at all unusual to find a Frenchman living within a native community. A very different behaviour from the English who arrived later.

There is no doubt, however, that the Belgians were the worst European colonizers ever. They were not content with only colonizing the Congo, they actually made it the private property of their king and then proceeded to behave accordingly.

Uncle Tractor: evilsofa: Tintin, racist? Couldn't be!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x271]

You know, those caricatures are so far removed from reality, that I wouldn't be able to tell they were supposed to be africans if I hadn't already known.


...because you live in 2012. To any European or, sadly, African living prior to the mid-1960s, there would have been no doubt that those were Africans, such was the ingrained ignorance.
 
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