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(Sun Chronicle)   Police chief faces class action suit over policy of arresting anybody who has been drinking   (thesunchronicle.com) divider line 77
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2012-09-25 01:53:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: MrBallou: Gyrfalcon: MrBallou: Isn't this the ultimate goal of continually lowering the BAC limits for DUI? They can't make it illegal to buy or drink alcohol, but they can make it illegal to have it in your body.

Nice try, but only when you're DRIVING. These folks weren't driving. They'd been drinking, and weren't impaired enough to be arrested unless they were driving, which they weren't.

That's my point. The law is really only intended for when you're driving, but it's being applied (with varying success) in other situations more and more often. Hence the article.

Or as Ron White said: "I wasn't drunk in pub-lick. I was drunk in a BAR. Those guys made me drunk in pub-lick, arrest them!"

I love Ron White, and I've been tossed out of a bar once or twice, too. It was a series of youthful indiscretions.

Did you wind up with a strange alias that came back to haunt you decades later?


No, but, oddly enough, I have been called both mashed and fried on occasion.
 
2012-09-25 02:09:32 PM

priapic_abandon: Nice uniform, he looks like the dictator of a very small country.

[bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com image 400x672]



Hermann Goering designed the hat.
 
2012-09-25 02:09:47 PM
In the past the Irvine Amphitheatre (now Verizon Wireless Amp.) have kept police out by disallowing firearms in the venue alltogether. There may be some undercover in there, but somehow I doubt it. They probably wet their pants before they make it past the first few scary looking individuals.
 
2012-09-25 02:17:34 PM

Insatiable Jesus: priapic_abandon: Nice uniform, he looks like the dictator of a very small country.

[bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com image 400x672]


Hermann Goering designed the hat.


All he needs now are some tanks and he's all set to invade Poland.
 
2012-09-25 02:24:21 PM
Actually, the powers that be are adding a new crime to their DUI enforcement activities. Breathing 0.05 is now called "Impaired Driving." They have your car towed and hit you with a $250 fine plus towing and storage charges. Your cab ride home puts your financial set-back at $500 or more. Check with your local authorities for details.

A typical DUI costs $10,000 out here on the left coast. Industries have grown up around the phenom. You got your lawyers, and the mandatory traffic school scam, community service B.S. and a hike in your insurance rates.

The whole DUI thing is not about public safety, but simply a fund-raising device for local and state governments, lawyers, etc.

What about the smoking ban in taverns and pubs? One can drink inside but you can't smoke, so you go outside where you can smoke but can't drink. At my local joint it is sometimes hard to get a drink, because the waitress and bartender are outside smoking. (Meanwhile, down the block at the Korean Bar-B-que place, every table has frigging hibachi smoking away! With vent hoods, yeah, but the place is stilled filled with smoke.)

The hard line on DUI and smoking is killing the bar/restaurant business. The current depression isn't helping, but what a priggish society. Pro Tip: If you do go out for a few, park far away from the pub. My minimum is three blocks. Call it 0.08 of prevention.
 
2012-09-25 02:28:18 PM

enik: Heh, O'Leary -- the cop probably lost his entire family to alcoholism so he's now on a one-man prohibition crusade. Sorry dude, the guys from Maine took a bus, you're going to have a lot of trouble proving that they were a danger to anyone.


It's all about talking to their women. Locals don't like that. Starts a lot of problems.

/talks to anyone
 
2012-09-25 02:31:10 PM

Gyrfalcon: MrBallou: Isn't this the ultimate goal of continually lowering the BAC limits for DUI? They can't make it illegal to buy or drink alcohol, but they can make it illegal to have it in your body.

Nice try, but only when you're DRIVING. These folks weren't driving. They'd been drinking, and weren't impaired enough to be arrested unless they were driving, which they weren't.

Or as Ron White said: "I wasn't drunk in pub-lick. I was drunk in a BAR. Those guys made me drunk in pub-lick, arrest them!"


They were guilty of Riding a Bus Under the Influence. RBUI, it's a tragedy and an epidemic.
 
2012-09-25 02:33:03 PM
As somebody that was in protective custody during the recent Contryfest concert there, I completely agree with this and will jump on any class action ASAP if announced. The cops were completely ridiculous and out of line and I really could not believe that in any way this was American. My respect for all cops dropped that day, as it was quite apparent that cops really do not know nor respect common rights and that they actually revel in trampling them.
 
2012-09-25 02:34:53 PM

caddisfly: Yikes, I feel for the plaintiff in this case. The guy organized a private bus from Maine, probably spent a lot of money to make it happen, and was .07 when he was arrested. He was probably held in some makeshift holding cell in the stadium where he could just barely make out what songs were being played. Concert over he gets shuttled to jail before being released with no charges.

Man would I be pissed.


Not to mention the fact that this is Springsteen, and they probably had to hold him on site until the end of the show before they could transport him to lock-up.

Springsteen shows go on for 4 - 5 hours or even longer.
 
2012-09-25 02:36:29 PM
We all have to keep in mind, this was a convergence of a couple of things: Up here we have a history of breaking things and killing people after a couple of drinks.
1. At that very location, a New York Jets fan was thrown off the back. Of the stadium. He might have deserved it, but we don't need dead Jets fans bleeding their filth on our concrete. Arrest any potential outlander who may be thrown from the back of the stadium before it gets ugly. The new stadium has a foot bridge, a couple stories high, no high fence or safety net. Recipe for disaster.

2. Where is Bruce Springsteen from? Would you not agree that the Boss himself, likely a Giants or Jets fan, is at risk in Foxboro of being thrown off of our stadium? Foxboro is NOT Your Hometown, Bruce.

3 The country music concert: We can all agree that anyone listening to country music deserves to be thrown off the aforementioned footbridge. There were 60,000 people there! I'd happily be the one tossing these buffoons, but can you imagine the blood of 60,000 country music fans staining our stadium? Of course not. They're gross and their blood is like poison. The police were right to make an early example of these 1000 mouth breathing jerkoffs and keep the rest of the herd in check.

/they actually were caged like a herd, people were climbing the fence and some were escaping. People paid whatever for the tickets, $100 for parking, missed the shows, and people missed rides home. Cops can be heavy handed, but the equal and opposite and somewhat deserving group consists of a few attendees who ruin it for everyone else.
 
2012-09-25 02:37:39 PM

EdNortonsTwin: In the past the Irvine Amphitheatre (now Verizon Wireless Amp.) have kept police out by disallowing firearms in the venue alltogether. There may be some undercover in there, but somehow I doubt it. They probably wet their pants before they make it past the first few scary looking individuals.


Why the hell would a police officer want to take a gun into a crowded amphitheatre? In any shooting situation, you'd end up with results even worse than the incident at the Empire State building last month, where the cops accidentally shot NINE bystanders. Bringing a gun into an amphitheatre is just negligent.
 
2012-09-25 02:39:34 PM
That's why I only drink at home. A LOT.
/Proud member of DAMM

//Drunks Against Mad Mothers.
 
2012-09-25 03:06:42 PM

GanjSmokr: /I will still have to try scotch and mountain dew on ice tonight just to confirm it's as terrible as it sounds...


That was my reaction to hearing that combo, and now it has replaced Coke as my go-to mixer.
 
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2012-09-25 03:15:11 PM

stuffy: Looks like they borrowed that uniform from 1940s Germany.


I certainly won't deny that they were terrible for what they did, but the Germans did have style...
 
2012-09-25 03:16:09 PM

pute kisses like a man: downstairs: Everyday it seems there's an article confirming that I... as a drunk... made the right decision to move to a city where drinking in public is encouraged, and you can get booze at a drive-thru.

cheers!

/ feels the same way. having gone on vacation a few times in my life, drinking in other cities in america feels foreign and like you're a criminal just for existing. plus, no to-go cups.
// this country is so funny about freedom. it lets hardened killers run free because of a poorly executed search, but it completely derails any notion of freedom for someone who might be having a good time not hurting anybody.



Cheers back atcha!
 
You have no idea how many times I've been in bars outside New Orleans... had to go outside for a smoke (which I don't mind)... and brought out my drink.  The looks on people faces were like I was attempting murder!
 
2012-09-25 03:37:21 PM

caddisfly: Yikes, I feel for the plaintiff in this case. The guy organized a private bus from Maine, probably spent a lot of money to make it happen, and was .07 when he was arrested. He was probably held in some makeshift holding cell in the stadium where he could just barely make out what songs were being played. Concert over he gets shuttled to jail before being released with no charges.

Man would I be pissed.


The irony is that if he had been driving, they would have had to let him go.
 
2012-09-25 03:47:30 PM

MrBallou: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: MrBallou: Isn't this the ultimate goal of continually lowering the BAC limits for DUI? They can't make it illegal to buy or drink alcohol, but they can make it illegal to have it in your body.

It certainly is for MADD.

This is why I only drink at home. Alone.

So alone...


sounds like my sex life
 
2012-09-25 04:28:55 PM
Wait...there are country music fans in Massachusetts?? Seriously?? I am calling wicked pisser shenanigans on that...
 
2012-09-25 04:41:38 PM

JohnCarter: Wait...there are country music fans in Massachusetts?? Seriously?? I am calling wicked pisser shenanigans on that...


can you freakin believe it? At the shopping area at that stadium there's a Toby Keith bar of some kind...In Massachusetts! The Mayans are on the way, kids.

/I would drive a bus off a cliff if Toby Keith were on it. I'd look him straight in the eye as we were going over the edge. Gritted teeth smile all the way down.
 
2012-09-25 05:04:54 PM

porkloin: What about the smoking ban in taverns and pubs? One can drink inside but you can't smoke, so you go outside where you can smoke but can't drink. At my local joint it is sometimes hard to get a drink, because the waitress and bartender are outside smoking.


www.globalnerdy.com
/hot
 
2012-09-25 06:50:29 PM

The Larch: EdNortonsTwin: In the past the Irvine Amphitheatre (now Verizon Wireless Amp.) have kept police out by disallowing firearms in the venue alltogether. There may be some undercover in there, but somehow I doubt it. They probably wet their pants before they make it past the first few scary looking individuals.

Why the hell would a police officer want to take a gun into a crowded amphitheatre? In any shooting situation, you'd end up with results even worse than the incident at the Empire State building last month, where the cops accidentally shot NINE bystanders. Bringing a gun into an amphitheatre is just negligent.


Have you ever BEEN to Irvine Amphitheater? Just driving past it on the 405 South you need an armed escort and an armored personnel carrier.
 
2012-09-25 10:17:14 PM
i.imgur.com

That uniform and pose just reeks of "Gestapo".

/must be a fun town
 
2012-09-25 11:02:42 PM

priapic_abandon: Nice uniform, he looks like the dictator of a very small country.


And so well tailored...
 
2012-09-25 11:48:29 PM
...and the link, like our rights and freedom, is dead.
 
2012-09-26 03:22:39 AM

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 300x504]

That uniform and pose just reeks of "Gestapo".

/must be a fun town


SS? Is that a skull on his hat?
 
2012-09-26 06:49:37 AM

Whiskey Dickens: Ika7734:
All by yourself?
With nobody Else?


/One bourbon
//One shot
///One beer

This had better be one of the subtlest trolls I've ever seen.
Also, you do know that you're referencing the wrong song, right?


Sorry, I haven't slept well for over a week....
/And my best friends wife is funny
 
2012-09-26 11:44:36 AM

Intoxoman: wambu: [i.imgur.com image 300x504]

That uniform and pose just reeks of "Gestapo".

/must be a fun town

SS? Is that a skull on his hat?


Perhaps an image of a jackboot on the back of a drunk's neck.
 
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