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(The Next Web)   You know that Android Beam data transfer feature Samsung is showing off in its commercials? It can be used to completely wipe your phone. How's that iPhone looking now?   (thenextweb.com) divider line 192
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2012-09-25 11:08:28 AM  
I don't know, let me check my maps.
 
2012-09-25 11:14:58 AM  
eh, still looks over priced and mildly over hyped
 
2012-09-25 11:22:16 AM  
Is this the same hack that the guy demoed on an unpatched 4.0 phone that can't be reproduced? Why yes it is.
 
2012-09-25 11:50:04 AM  
So...don't use the feature with people you don't know? Shocking.
 
2012-09-25 11:56:15 AM  
Oh, man. I'm not sure where I should go with this. Should I accuse this article of being FUD? Should I accuse everyone of being "paid shills" living in their parents' basements? Should I change the subject to something I can more easily win?

Nope. Instead I'll say Samsung needs to patch this ASAP, deal with it honestly, and fairly compensate anyone affected by this issue.
 
2012-09-25 12:03:15 PM  

GAT_00: So...don't use the feature with people you don't know? Shocking.


Except that the same hack also works when it is delivered in many other ways.

An attacker could load the code in a website, SMS, an NFC Android Beam connection or via a QR code, have the user either visit the link or click it on their smartphone and it is possible to completely wipe the device without warning or giving the user the chance to stop it.

It can also be used to lock a SIM card, ensuring that the device's owner cannot operate the device fully.


All you have to do is open an infected webpage or receive a malicious text message and all the data on your phone is erased.

Also, it's been confirmed that it does work on the Galaxy S III.

we have now managed to test this on an AT&T Samsung Galaxy S III and have confirmed it works on the device.
 
2012-09-25 12:09:09 PM  
As an iPhone user, let me be one of the first to say, that I'm sure this is a small bug that Samsung will fix rather shortly.
 
2012-09-25 12:39:31 PM  
How's that iPhone looking? Still really expensive.
 
2012-09-25 12:45:24 PM  
Like an overpriced piece of shiat made by slave labor.
 
2012-09-25 12:54:12 PM  

cretinbob: Like an overpriced piece of shiat made by slave labor.

 
2012-09-25 12:55:06 PM  

cretinbob: Like an overpriced piece of shiat made by slave labor.


And samsungs are made where?
 
2012-09-25 12:57:37 PM  

Lando Lincoln: How's that iPhone looking? Still really expensive.


Isn't the SIII only $50 cheaper?
 
2012-09-25 01:00:38 PM  
i haven't seen any of the commercials, so what does the feature purport to do? transfer data? that doesn't seem very revolutionary.
 
2012-09-25 01:01:06 PM  
 
2012-09-25 01:01:11 PM  

Moopy Mac: Lando Lincoln: How's that iPhone looking? Still really expensive.

Isn't the SIII only $50 cheaper?


$50 cheaper for a more capable device. It would be a pretty easy choice if I was looking, but my Droid 4 is only a few months old.
 
2012-09-25 01:03:48 PM  

GAT_00: Moopy Mac: Lando Lincoln: How's that iPhone looking? Still really expensive.

Isn't the SIII only $50 cheaper?

$50 cheaper for a more capable device. It would be a pretty easy choice if I was looking, but my Droid 4 is only a few months old.


how do you like the droid 4? I'm thinking of going to a 4 from my 2. but I don't want to lose my unlimted data.
 
2012-09-25 01:12:06 PM  

GAT_00: $50 cheaper for a more capable device.


Let's see.

Benchmarks have revealed that the Galaxy S III has a much slower CPU. For instance, the web browser on the iPhone renders the same webpages nearly twice as fast.

Likewise, the S III renders graphics less than half as fast in case you ever want to play games.

Examinations of the screens show that the SIII's screen is only half as bright, in case you might want to use your phone outside in the daylight. Its also has trouble accurately displaying color images.

The SIII has a battery life that is much reduced in comparison to the iPhone, despite having a much larger battery.

It's hardly more capable.
 
2012-09-25 01:12:38 PM  

SuperT: GAT_00: Moopy Mac: Lando Lincoln: How's that iPhone looking? Still really expensive.

Isn't the SIII only $50 cheaper?

$50 cheaper for a more capable device. It would be a pretty easy choice if I was looking, but my Droid 4 is only a few months old.

how do you like the droid 4? I'm thinking of going to a 4 from my 2. but I don't want to lose my unlimted data.


I love the keyboard. Battery life is a little shorter than I'd like, but not badly so. I have no other complaints. I can't really compare it to the Droid 2 though, I upgraded from an LG Ally. I took the Droid 4 over the Razr, trading the keyboard for a slightly smaller screen and lower battery life. But I love that keyboard to death, so no complaints.
 
2012-09-25 01:13:38 PM  
That's one way to spin it, subby. Still a feeble attempt to justify a lackluster iPhone 5...
 
2012-09-25 01:15:29 PM  

Moopy Mac: Lando Lincoln: How's that iPhone looking? Still really expensive.

Isn't the SIII only $50 cheaper?


$50 cheaper for a better product...
 
2012-09-25 01:16:14 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Remote wiping, eh? Sounds intriguing!
 
2012-09-25 01:18:48 PM  
Looks like the last one.
 
2012-09-25 01:21:18 PM  
From what I understand, Samsung has known about this and has patched it in their latest releases.

Link
 
2012-09-25 01:30:49 PM  
Looks cheap.
 
2012-09-25 01:31:21 PM  

BullBearMS: GAT_00: $50 cheaper for a more capable device.

Let's see.

Benchmarks have revealed that the Galaxy S III has a much slower CPU. For instance, the web browser on the iPhone renders the same webpages nearly twice as fast.

Likewise, the S III renders graphics less than half as fast in case you ever want to play games.

Examinations of the screens show that the SIII's screen is only half as bright, in case you might want to use your phone outside in the daylight. Its also has trouble accurately displaying color images.

The SIII has a battery life that is much reduced in comparison to the iPhone, despite having a much larger battery.

It's hardly more capable.


Web page performance is 99% dictated by connection bandwidth. You're going to hang your hat on Fark loading a quarter millisecond faster?

Gaming? Pssshhh. Fine.

Screen brightness is actually somewhat important, but the S3 is plenty bright to use outside, so again, the benefit of having an even brighter screen isn't really serving any functional advantage. And "it has trouble accurately displaying color images"? What? No. Where'd you read that hogwash? Again, sounds like trivial nitpicking.

Battery life? Gonna need to back that up. The S3 battery is pretty damn good. Plus, on the S3 and most other non-Apple devices, you are not limited to the one battery...you can change them out.

The S3 has much better map functionality, has NFC, has a nicer screen in the one way that truly matters (size, rather than a DPI number that no one can notice), and has a superior UI (though that is subjective). In short, aside from gaming performance, the S3 is better in ways that actually matter from a functional and noticeable standpoint...without having to resort to charts to actually quantify them in real world usage.
 
2012-09-25 01:33:53 PM  

SuperT: GAT_00: Moopy Mac: Lando Lincoln: How's that iPhone looking? Still really expensive.

Isn't the SIII only $50 cheaper?

$50 cheaper for a more capable device. It would be a pretty easy choice if I was looking, but my Droid 4 is only a few months old.

how do you like the droid 4? I'm thinking of going to a 4 from my 2. but I don't want to lose my unlimted data.


I went from a Droid 2 to a Droid 4 and am pleased. My main reason to upgrade, though, was 4G speeds. I don't think I would give up unlimited data for the upgrade though unless you aren't hitting your caps. I got the best of all worlds: $69 phone, unlimited data transferred, and access to 4G speeds. Pretty much, my choice was made for me considering the factors.

/although, having the ability to use Chrome as my browser is pretty sweet
 
2012-09-25 01:38:47 PM  

Moopy Mac: Lando Lincoln: How's that iPhone looking? Still really expensive.

Isn't the SIII only $50 cheaper?


To a guy that already has a perfectly fine smart phone, it's really expensive.

I know in the world of Apple, old products are immediately god-awful as soon as newer versions come out.
 
2012-09-25 01:39:04 PM  
Better description of what's going on:

An enterprising hacker has demonstrated how a simple web page can reset various Samsung phones back to the state they left the factory - enabling a click, bump or text to take out a victim's mobe entirely.

The devastating flaw lies in Samsung's dialing software, triggered by the tel protocol in a URL. It isn't applicable to all the company's Android handsets, but those that are vulnerable can have their PIN changed or be wiped completely just by visiting a web page or snapping a bad QR code, or even bonking up against the wrong wireless NFC tag.

The tel protocol is generally used with phone numbers to provide clickable "call me" links on websites: tapping on the hyperlink in the handset's web browser opens up the dialing software and calls the number contained in the link. Such calls aren't made until the fandroid presses a "dial" button, so security is maintained - but some numbers don't require "dial" to be pressed, and it's those which are exploited in this attack.

The best example of an executing number - aka an unstructured supplementary service data message - is *#06#: enter that into just about any GSM phone and it will display the IMEI, the device's serial number. But, importantly, it will do that without one pressing the "dial" button.

That's benign, but try entering (redacted) on a Samsung Galaxy S3 and you'll be rewarded with an impossible-to-cancel factory reset before you can say shudda-bought-an-iPhone.


Actual number/symbol sequence used to wipe a Samsung phone redacted by me.

Surprisingly, many well known websites are publishing exactly what you type in to wipe someone's phone.
 
2012-09-25 01:43:04 PM  
A good ten years ago, I was able to transfer just about anything from one device to another via infrared, which required line of sight and some patience depending on the size of the file.

Then more recently, I could do it faster via bluetooth.

And the last thing (still years ago), was to be able to touch devices to transfer links and some things, but the technology was never exploited.

Just more examples of how Palm screwed up by having technology that was years ahead but failed to advertise it, and now others are finally catching up.
 
2012-09-25 01:43:53 PM  
 
2012-09-25 01:47:19 PM  
The best part of this is that it's tagged spiffy. "Hey, there's a minor bug in S3's that needs to be fixed, affecting one of the features an iPhone doesn't have! That's great!" Maybe Apple really is losing.
 
2012-09-25 01:49:24 PM  
Well, this thread is toast. I strongly advise anyone who doesn't feel like wasting large amounts of time to just leave.
 
2012-09-25 01:50:58 PM  

Dokushin: The best part of this is that it's tagged spiffy. "Hey, there's a minor bug in S3's that needs to be fixed, affecting one of the features an iPhone doesn't have! That's great!" Maybe Apple really is losing.


Insofar as anyone has researched, it's already been patched on US carriers at least, and doesn't affect the latest version for the international versions either.
 
2012-09-25 01:52:04 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Moopy Mac: Lando Lincoln: How's that iPhone looking? Still really expensive.

Isn't the SIII only $50 cheaper?

To a guy that already has a perfectly fine smart phone, it's really expensive.

I know in the world of Apple, old products are immediately god-awful as soon as newer versions come out.


Your comment makes no sense. Shouldn't you just compare the costs of current phones?

I swear, Apple derangement syndrome is worse than anything I used to troll on MacRumors. You guys have real problems.
 
2012-09-25 01:54:04 PM  

BullBearMS: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Battery life? Gonna need to back that up.

It's in the analysis of the Galaxy S III's display problems.

the Brightness is about half of the iPhone 5 due to power limits from the lower power efficiency of OLEDs and concerns regarding premature OLED aging.

The Color Gamut is not only much larger than the Standard Color Gamut, which leads to distorted and exaggerated colors, but the Color Gamut is quite lopsided, with Green being a lot more saturated than Red or Blue, which adds a Green color caste to many images.

Running Time on battery is less than the iPhone 5 due to the lower power efficiency of OLEDs, even given that the Galaxy S III has a much larger battery capacity and much lower Brightness.

The Galaxy S III has a PenTile OLED display, which has only half of the number of Red and Blue sub-pixels as in standard RGB displays, like those on the iPhones. The eye's resolution for color image detail is lower, so this works well for photographic and video image content, but NOT for computer generated colored text and fine graphics because it produces visible pixelation, moiré, and other very visible artifacts, so a PenTile display is not as sharp as its pixel Resolution and PPI would indicate.


That's interesting. According to your link, the iPhone 5 has worse battery life than the iPhone 4... maybe people should hold off on upgrading.
 
2012-09-25 01:55:05 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BullBearMS: GAT_00: $50 cheaper for a more capable device.

Let's see.

Benchmarks have revealed that the Galaxy S III has a much slower CPU. For instance, the web browser on the iPhone renders the same webpages nearly twice as fast.

Likewise, the S III renders graphics less than half as fast in case you ever want to play games.

Examinations of the screens show that the SIII's screen is only half as bright, in case you might want to use your phone outside in the daylight. Its also has trouble accurately displaying color images.

The SIII has a battery life that is much reduced in comparison to the iPhone, despite having a much larger battery.

It's hardly more capable.

Web page performance is 99% dictated by connection bandwidth. You're going to hang your hat on Fark loading a quarter millisecond faster?

Gaming? Pssshhh. Fine.

Screen brightness is actually somewhat important, but the S3 is plenty bright to use outside, so again, the benefit of having an even brighter screen isn't really serving any functional advantage. And "it has trouble accurately displaying color images"? What? No. Where'd you read that hogwash? Again, sounds like trivial nitpicking.

Battery life? Gonna need to back that up. The S3 battery is pretty damn good. Plus, on the S3 and most other non-Apple devices, you are not limited to the one battery...you can change them out.

The S3 has much better map functionality, has NFC, has a nicer screen in the one way that truly matters (size, rather than a DPI number that no one can notice), and has a superior UI (though that is subjective). In short, aside from gaming performance, the S3 is better in ways that actually matter from a functional and noticeable standpoint...without having to resort to charts to actually quantify them in real world usage.


I don't have a dog in this fight (I have a Skyrocket which I'm (usually) more than happy with), but that is a lot of excuses.

/Has 4.1 solved 4.0's apparent need to lock up on a semi-regular basis?
 
2012-09-25 01:55:55 PM  

emocomputerjock: Dokushin: The best part of this is that it's tagged spiffy. "Hey, there's a minor bug in S3's that needs to be fixed, affecting one of the features an iPhone doesn't have! That's great!" Maybe Apple really is losing.

Insofar as anyone has researched, it's already been patched on US carriers at least, and doesn't affect the latest version for the international versions either.


The Verge has already confirmed this works on the AT&T Galaxy S III.

In addition, given the fact that only about 16% of Android devices have been upgraded to the year old Ice Cream Sandwich, there aren't many people running the latest version.
 
2012-09-25 01:59:15 PM  
Slightly taller.
 
2012-09-25 02:00:06 PM  
 
2012-09-25 02:05:07 PM  

BullBearMS: emocomputerjock: Dokushin: The best part of this is that it's tagged spiffy. "Hey, there's a minor bug in S3's that needs to be fixed, affecting one of the features an iPhone doesn't have! That's great!" Maybe Apple really is losing.

Insofar as anyone has researched, it's already been patched on US carriers at least, and doesn't affect the latest version for the international versions either.

The Verge has already confirmed this works on the AT&T Galaxy S III.

In addition, given the fact that only about 16% of Android devices have been upgraded to the year old Ice Cream Sandwich, there aren't many people running the latest version.


For the benefit of anyone coming into this thread for additional information on this, I'll post the following:

The S3 comes with ICS preinstalled. That's not the issue. An OTA patch was released a week ago on all US carriers that resolved this issue. You'd know this if you read the link I posted, in which an AT&T S3 running the latest version does not wipe.
 
2012-09-25 02:06:38 PM  

Moopy Mac: Your comment makes no sense. Shouldn't you just compare the costs of current phones?


No. The question was, "How's that iPhone looking now?" and I answered, "still really expensive." Because I already have a smart phone and the new features offered on the new iPhone coupled with that cost don't even come close to enticing me to get one.
 
2012-09-25 02:07:41 PM  
I hate the hoops you have to jump through to get data onto an iphone, or remove it in some cases. I also hate that the screen is so small. I don't like that the new iphone is too light but I'm going back to the new iphone as soon as I can scrape up the money, I used my upgrade on an android phone with a beautiful big screen so I have to fork out the full amount to get back into iphone.

I never really used android before except on friends phones for a minute or two when they where showing me how awesome they are. good for them but I think they are less than stellar. It's like android was designed to be used with up down left right menu keys instead of touch screens, it's clunky as hell taking 3 or 4 clicks to delete a message.

when I got the thing every time I got a phone call I got a pop up telling me if i liked knowing the city and state the call came from I'd have to start paying for it, or find a free app I guess.

I can't set individual contact text alerts without finding a new app to download

I can't get my email pushed without finding new email apps, now I have four and they don't always work.

the native clock sucks, there is no timer if I wan't to cook a pizza or take a nap and there is no stop watch

my Iphone4 I could go to bed with 25% left on the battery and still have enough juice to wake me up in the morning, it would be around 4%. if I went to bed with 100% I would wake up with 99%, I never even thought about charging it until it hit 30 or 40. with my android device (I know some of this is phone not os) if it gets to 50% I get hives, when I first got it I went to bed at 40% and it didn't wake me up in the morning. I have to charge it every day, I have to keep a charger in my car.

All the apps seem clunky and I seem to have to manually refresh more of them when I re-open them than I did on the iphone even though everyone says iphone can't multi-task. the same apps on iphone are a lot more sleek as well even high profile apps like netflix or bloomberg.

there are other things I can't think of now that I see when I'm using the phone, I do like the way android lets you handle the files even if it's file system is a mess. Iphone has a much better OS in my opinion, they say geeks enjoy Android better, I don't know what it is they do with it but good for them.

I shouldn't have wasted my upgrade but with all the android fanboy hype and the android fanboy "iphone sucks!" I thought it would be at least as good as IOS, I certainly didn't think I would dislike it so.
 
2012-09-25 02:08:14 PM  

emocomputerjock: The S3 comes with ICS preinstalled. That's not the issue. An OTA patch was released a week ago on all US carriers that resolved this issue. You'd know this if you read the link I posted, in which an AT&T S3 running the latest version does not wipe.


An Android fanboy site says it doesn't and The Verge says they have personally confirmed that it does?

Well, that is a puzzler.
 
2012-09-25 02:12:30 PM  

BullBearMS: emocomputerjock: The S3 comes with ICS preinstalled. That's not the issue. An OTA patch was released a week ago on all US carriers that resolved this issue. You'd know this if you read the link I posted, in which an AT&T S3 running the latest version does not wipe.

An Android fanboy site says it doesn't and The Verge says they have personally confirmed that it does?

Well, that is a puzzler.


The Verge didn't post any information regarding the version of software that their phone is using, while the Android site did. Since the Android site has confirmed that they're using the latest version and it's not vulnerable, and has helpfully posted a video proving that while the Verge hasn't, the puzzle should be solved for you.
 
2012-09-25 02:15:58 PM  

emocomputerjock: BullBearMS: emocomputerjock: The S3 comes with ICS preinstalled. That's not the issue. An OTA patch was released a week ago on all US carriers that resolved this issue. You'd know this if you read the link I posted, in which an AT&T S3 running the latest version does not wipe.

An Android fanboy site says it doesn't and The Verge says they have personally confirmed that it does?

Well, that is a puzzler.

The Verge didn't post any information regarding the version of software that their phone is using, while the Android site did. Since the Android site has confirmed that they're using the latest version and it's not vulnerable, and has helpfully posted a video proving that while the Verge hasn't, the puzzle should be solved for you.


So what you're saying is they wouldn't think to update the newest version and test it again?

Nobody in their comments would mention that to them, or tweet it to them or anything of that nature?

Seems legit.

Not.
 
2012-09-25 02:18:18 PM  

FROGSTOMPER: I hate the hoops you have to jump through to get data onto an iphone, or remove it in some cases. I also hate that the screen is so small. I don't like that the new iphone is too light but I'm going back to the new iphone as soon as I can scrape up the money, I used my upgrade on an android phone with a beautiful big screen so I have to fork out the full amount to get back into iphone.

I never really used android before except on friends phones for a minute or two when they where showing me how awesome they are. good for them but I think they are less than stellar. It's like android was designed to be used with up down left right menu keys instead of touch screens, it's clunky as hell taking 3 or 4 clicks to delete a message.

when I got the thing every time I got a phone call I got a pop up telling me if i liked knowing the city and state the call came from I'd have to start paying for it, or find a free app I guess.

I can't set individual contact text alerts without finding a new app to download

I can't get my email pushed without finding new email apps, now I have four and they don't always work.

the native clock sucks, there is no timer if I wan't to cook a pizza or take a nap and there is no stop watch

my Iphone4 I could go to bed with 25% left on the battery and still have enough juice to wake me up in the morning, it would be around 4%. if I went to bed with 100% I would wake up with 99%, I never even thought about charging it until it hit 30 or 40. with my android device (I know some of this is phone not os) if it gets to 50% I get hives, when I first got it I went to bed at 40% and it didn't wake me up in the morning. I have to charge it every day, I have to keep a charger in my car.

All the apps seem clunky and I seem to have to manually refresh more of them when I re-open them than I did on the iphone even though everyone says iphone can't multi-task. the same apps on iphone are a lot more sleek as well even high profile apps like netflix or bloomberg.

there are other things I can't think of now that I see when I'm using the phone, I do like the way android lets you handle the files even if it's file system is a mess. Iphone has a much better OS in my opinion, they say geeks enjoy Android better, I don't know what it is they do with it but good for them.

I shouldn't have wasted my upgrade but with all the android fanboy hype and the android fanboy "iphone sucks!" I thought it would be at least as good as IOS, I certainly didn't think I would dislike it so.


Ill bet you still have a VCR and its blinking 12:00 constantly.
 
2012-09-25 02:18:41 PM  

BullBearMS: emocomputerjock: BullBearMS: emocomputerjock: The S3 comes with ICS preinstalled. That's not the issue. An OTA patch was released a week ago on all US carriers that resolved this issue. You'd know this if you read the link I posted, in which an AT&T S3 running the latest version does not wipe.

An Android fanboy site says it doesn't and The Verge says they have personally confirmed that it does?

Well, that is a puzzler.

The Verge didn't post any information regarding the version of software that their phone is using, while the Android site did. Since the Android site has confirmed that they're using the latest version and it's not vulnerable, and has helpfully posted a video proving that while the Verge hasn't, the puzzle should be solved for you.

So what you're saying is they wouldn't think to update the newest version and test it again?

Nobody in their comments would mention that to them, or tweet it to them or anything of that nature?

Seems legit.

Not.


Aside from, you know, the proof.
 
2012-09-25 02:19:19 PM  

Moopy Mac: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BullBearMS: GAT_00: $50 cheaper for a more capable device.

Let's see.

Benchmarks have revealed that the Galaxy S III has a much slower CPU. For instance, the web browser on the iPhone renders the same webpages nearly twice as fast.

Likewise, the S III renders graphics less than half as fast in case you ever want to play games.

Examinations of the screens show that the SIII's screen is only half as bright, in case you might want to use your phone outside in the daylight. Its also has trouble accurately displaying color images.

The SIII has a battery life that is much reduced in comparison to the iPhone, despite having a much larger battery.

It's hardly more capable.

Web page performance is 99% dictated by connection bandwidth. You're going to hang your hat on Fark loading a quarter millisecond faster?

Gaming? Pssshhh. Fine.

Screen brightness is actually somewhat important, but the S3 is plenty bright to use outside, so again, the benefit of having an even brighter screen isn't really serving any functional advantage. And "it has trouble accurately displaying color images"? What? No. Where'd you read that hogwash? Again, sounds like trivial nitpicking.

Battery life? Gonna need to back that up. The S3 battery is pretty damn good. Plus, on the S3 and most other non-Apple devices, you are not limited to the one battery...you can change them out.

The S3 has much better map functionality, has NFC, has a nicer screen in the one way that truly matters (size, rather than a DPI number that no one can notice), and has a superior UI (though that is subjective). In short, aside from gaming performance, the S3 is better in ways that actually matter from a functional and noticeable standpoint...without having to resort to charts to actually quantify them in real world usage.

I don't have a dog in this fight (I have a Skyrocket which I'm (usually) more than happy with), but that is a lot of excuses.

/Has 4.1 solved 4.0's apparent need to lock up ...


As opposed to making excuses for the iPhone 5 by resorting to trivial specs in the face of actual functional deficiencies?
 
2012-09-25 02:21:22 PM  
done in one.
 
2012-09-25 02:22:36 PM  
Oh great, its this thread again. I'll come back for later for the pages and pages of benchmark graphs.
 
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