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2012-09-25 02:20:22 PM

The Southern Dandy: OK, so he can't roll down the window, but he can still tie his dog to the roof, right?


I the 1960's, I would allow my dog to ride in the back of the pickup, he loved it. Today they get seat-belts just like everyone else. You can not measure the past by today's standards.
 
2012-09-25 02:21:49 PM

Mikey1969: epoch_destroi: Mikey1969: Gyrfalcon: What makes me doubt it was a joke is the fact that he kept going with it. A real "joke" would have been "Yeah, the cabin filled with smoke; too bad they couldn't roll the windows down to get some air." PERIOD. Romney kept on going and going with it, like someone genuinely trying to get why the passengers couldn't let the smoke out.

Yep, none of what you would see from someone delivering a joke, "dry" or not, I agree. Oh well, it doesn't surprise me though. We DO seem to have hurt epoch_destroi's feelings, though.

Naw, I just have time before class to kill. ;)

StandUp 101?


Today? Advanced Haskell and Formal Logic.
 
2012-09-25 02:22:42 PM
FTA: "Gravity tends to keep air molecules concentrated near the ground..."

WTF is an "air molecule?"
 
2012-09-25 02:23:10 PM

epoch_destroi: JackieRabbit: smitty04: JackieRabbit: He isn't "Dubya Dumb," but he's no scholar either.

He earned a Bachelor of Arts from Brigham Young University and, in 1975, a joint Juris Doctor and Master of Business Administration from Harvard University. Can you top that? Joint degrees is damn difficult.

One does not need necessarily to be brilliant to earn a degree from Harvard. There are other ways to get in and get a degree, as many wealthy lads have discovered after daddy pulled the right strings. He's obviously smart. But never be overly impressed with a MBA (though Harvard has a rather good program). Many schools offer these for going to school on Saturdays for a year. The law degree from Harvard is more impressive; that isn't easy. But these are both professional - not academic - degrees. Hence my comment he's no scholar.

Y'know what? I agree. He's not a scholar, and that's really obvious.

But is being a scholar a requirement for being the president? Is the only 'right' way to view things through an academic lens?

/Full disclosure-- I'm not only a scholar, I'm pursuing two degrees at once at a celebrated liberal arts college! I just don't think that academia is the only way to learn to process and think about the world around us critically.


No, I'm not suggesting that a president needs to be a scholar. One scholar, Newt Gingrich, attempted the trick and that didn't work (and thank goodness; he would have been a horrible president). The closest we have come to having a scholar as president in many years is Jimmy Carter, who, while a brilliant and effective governor, proved to be much too detailed-oriented and "blue sky" of a thinker to be a really outstanding president.
 
2012-09-25 02:23:44 PM
Please, let Romney take a flight on a plane with a window he can open at 30,000 feet. Please let him do this today if possible.
 
2012-09-25 02:24:01 PM

epoch_destroi: neenerist: epoch_destroi: What I am here to argue is that he made a damn joke....

You appear here to argue that, contrary to the evidence of my own senses, that video (not a story) shows he delivered the line in a manner most would interpret as an obvious joke. Even if you're right about the intent, it displays a bizarre disconnect with how people perceive him and an inability to express himself with the clarity demanded of the highest office.

On the other hand "believe what I tell you, not what you see" has become a core Republican campaign motif.

Except...I saw the video? And he's clearly joking? Maybe it's a cultural thing-- a northern/upper class-to-rich humor style, but I have a lot of friends who deliver jokes exactly like that. We just have a very dry sense of humor, almost British in style.


I am not enamored with Romney but I try to keep an open mind when a candidate speaks 'cuz you never know when you will hear something you agree/disagree with from either side that may change how you feel about them. If I already have my mind made up I am sabotaging my own ability to make an informed decision.

I came into this after reading the transcript thinking he made a joke...A bad joke in poor taste and possibly with a poor delivery that did not translate well, much akin to my dry innappropriate sense of humor. (I make fun of terrible things)

I really don't see anything in the video that necessarily screams "THIS IS A JOKE". His expression never really goes from concern>fear>joke>ok back to serious...it is just well....(and I hate to be cliche') smug.

So now I am torn as to whether it is a joke or not.

What is NOT in question is that either way, it does further lower my opinion of him. 

Oh wait you said " a northern/upper class-to-rich humor style, but I have a lot of friends who deliver jokes exactly like that. We just have a very dry sense of humor, almost British in style." soooooo..... troll?
 
2012-09-25 02:24:56 PM

JackieRabbit: epoch_destroi: JackieRabbit: smitty04: JackieRabbit: He isn't "Dubya Dumb," but he's no scholar either.

He earned a Bachelor of Arts from Brigham Young University and, in 1975, a joint Juris Doctor and Master of Business Administration from Harvard University. Can you top that? Joint degrees is damn difficult.

One does not need necessarily to be brilliant to earn a degree from Harvard. There are other ways to get in and get a degree, as many wealthy lads have discovered after daddy pulled the right strings. He's obviously smart. But never be overly impressed with a MBA (though Harvard has a rather good program). Many schools offer these for going to school on Saturdays for a year. The law degree from Harvard is more impressive; that isn't easy. But these are both professional - not academic - degrees. Hence my comment he's no scholar.

Y'know what? I agree. He's not a scholar, and that's really obvious.

But is being a scholar a requirement for being the president? Is the only 'right' way to view things through an academic lens?

/Full disclosure-- I'm not only a scholar, I'm pursuing two degrees at once at a celebrated liberal arts college! I just don't think that academia is the only way to learn to process and think about the world around us critically.

No, I'm not suggesting that a president needs to be a scholar. One scholar, Newt Gingrich, attempted the trick and that didn't work (and thank goodness; he would have been a horrible president). The closest we have come to having a scholar as president in many years is Jimmy Carter, who, while a brilliant and effective governor, proved to be much too detailed-oriented and "blue sky" of a thinker to be a really outstanding president.


That's...really reasonable and well-written! I totally agree. :)
 
2012-09-25 02:26:10 PM

wiredroach: FTA: "Gravity tends to keep air molecules concentrated near the ground..."

WTF is an "air molecule?"


Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%

Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%

Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%

Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%

Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818%

Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002%

Helium -- He -- 0.000524%

Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114%

Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005%

Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087%

Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007%

Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002%

Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001%

Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace

Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace

Reference: CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, edited by David R. Lide, 1997.
 
2012-09-25 02:26:21 PM

2KanZam: epoch_destroi: neenerist: epoch_destroi: What I am here to argue is that he made a damn joke....

You appear here to argue that, contrary to the evidence of my own senses, that video (not a story) shows he delivered the line in a manner most would interpret as an obvious joke. Even if you're right about the intent, it displays a bizarre disconnect with how people perceive him and an inability to express himself with the clarity demanded of the highest office.

On the other hand "believe what I tell you, not what you see" has become a core Republican campaign motif.

Except...I saw the video? And he's clearly joking? Maybe it's a cultural thing-- a northern/upper class-to-rich humor style, but I have a lot of friends who deliver jokes exactly like that. We just have a very dry sense of humor, almost British in style.

I am not enamored with Romney but I try to keep an open mind when a candidate speaks 'cuz you never know when you will hear something you agree/disagree with from either side that may change how you feel about them. If I already have my mind made up I am sabotaging my own ability to make an informed decision.

I came into this after reading the transcript thinking he made a joke...A bad joke in poor taste and possibly with a poor delivery that did not translate well, much akin to my dry innappropriate sense of humor. (I make fun of terrible things)

I really don't see anything in the video that necessarily screams "THIS IS A JOKE". His expression never really goes from concern>fear>joke>ok back to serious...it is just well....(and I hate to be cliche') smug.

So now I am torn as to whether it is a joke or not.

What is NOT in question is that either way, it does further lower my opinion of him. 

Oh wait you said " a northern/upper class-to-rich humor style, but I have a lot of friends who deliver jokes exactly like that. We just have a very dry sense of humor, almost British in style." soooooo..... troll?


...notttt a troll. But maybe my/my friend's humor style is far rarer than I had thought? Or Fark is full of people who purposely misunderstand things to create gaffes....

...could be both, hahhaa.
 
2012-09-25 02:27:50 PM

epoch_destroi: tblax: epoch_destroi: Mikey1969: epoch_destroi: Are libs so ignorant of dry humor?

Name 10 conservative-leaning comedians

And since you asked:

Bill Cosby
Adam Sandler
Drew Carey
Ben Stein
Kelsey Grammer

Jeff Foxworthy
Larry the Cable Guy
Bill Engvall
Ron White
David Angelo


I only find fault with 2 of the names... Ben Stein IS funny, has acted in movies and had his little game show, but I'd never call him a comedian. Same with Kelsey Grammer. He's funny, but he's a comic actor, not a comedian.
 
2012-09-25 02:29:01 PM

stonicus: epoch_destroi: tblax: epoch_destroi: Mikey1969: epoch_destroi: Are libs so ignorant of dry humor?

Name 10 conservative-leaning comedians

And since you asked:

Bill Cosby
Adam Sandler
Drew Carey
Ben Stein
Kelsey Grammer
Jeff Foxworthy
Larry the Cable Guy
Bill Engvall
Ron White
David Angelo

I only find fault with 2 of the names... Ben Stein IS funny, has acted in movies and had his little game show, but I'd never call him a comedian. Same with Kelsey Grammer. He's funny, but he's a comic actor, not a comedian.


That's a fair interpretation-- I took it a little looser, perhaps; I assumed he meant 'comic/comedian' rather than specifically 'stand-up comedian'.
 
2012-09-25 02:30:18 PM
I could find two more if that would provide you with some peace of mind. ;) But I doubt that would provide any.
 
2012-09-25 02:34:35 PM
Oh hai, DJ Kittypie here with some appropriately grotesque and funny music for the thread.

Cuz somebudy don't speeky Engrish too gud round here.
 
2012-09-25 02:36:37 PM
NSFW MUSIC TOO!!!!

sorry, dumb cat forgot tag
 
2012-09-25 02:41:12 PM

Kittypie070: Oh hai, DJ Kittypie here with some appropriately grotesque and funny music for the thread.

Cuz somebudy don't speeky Engrish too gud round here.




...nice racist imitation of a Chinese accent. christ on a cracker.
 
2012-09-25 02:53:06 PM

JackieRabbit: You know, I actually kind of feel sorry for Mitt Romney. To begin, he really isn't that smart. He isn't "Dubya Dumb," but he's no scholar either. Next, Romney is not a conservative and never has been. He's actually a rare thing in the GOP these days: a slightly left-leaning moderate. When he threw his hat into the ring for the GOP nomination a lot of centrist Republicans and independents were please, since he offered a change to vote for someone who was not only an experienced and successful business man, but was a rather good governor. When Romney started, he really did sound like Mitt Romney: reasonable and balanced. But when it became apparent that he would be the nominee, the GOP strategists started to reel him in and insist that he embrace the tea party conservative platform. Romney has done this and it has become obvious that it has induced something of a cognitive dissonance in him. He keeps flubbing so badly because he really doesn't believe in the bullshiat he has to spew in order to placate the "GOP base." Well, the base was placated rather early on and now Romney's false conservative positions are coming back to haunt him (a la 47%). Barack Obama is now leading in every national poll of registered voters (by an average of three percent and the gap is widening rapidly) and we haven't even had the first debate yet. Those debates will be Romney's downfall. He simply cannot debate Obama on substance, since he has none. They hope is that he will be able to rattle "Mr. Cool" Obama. But that's a dim hope, since on one has succeeded in this yet.

If Romney keeps screwing up as badly as he has (he cannot afford to go safe; he must be aggressive and highly visible) and if he can't get control of his staff, to stop their in-fighting, we could be looking at an Obama mini-landslide, or at least a clear mandate. As soon as the GOP started moving him to the right, he should have bucked. This was his and John McCain's biggest mistake.


I wouldnt feel too sorry for him. I don't think the tea party reeled him is as much as he went courting their support to make sure he'd clinch the nomination. The Tea Party seemed to be running an anybody but Romney campaign. Cain, Bachman, Santorum. I think the Tea party would have been happy with any of those over Romney.
 
2012-09-25 02:58:24 PM

smitty04: The Southern Dandy: OK, so he can't roll down the window, but he can still tie his dog to the roof, right?

I the 1960's, I would allow my dog to ride in the back of the pickup, he loved it. Today they get seat-belts just like everyone else. You can not measure the past by today's standards.


I don't judge by anyone's standards but my own, but there's a huge difference between letting your dog ride in the back of the pickup driving into town and putting your dog in a crate, strapping it to the roof of your car and driving cross country.
 
2012-09-25 02:59:15 PM

JackieRabbit: smitty04: JackieRabbit: He isn't "Dubya Dumb," but he's no scholar either.

He earned a Bachelor of Arts from Brigham Young University and, in 1975, a joint Juris Doctor and Master of Business Administration from Harvard University. Can you top that? Joint degrees is damn difficult.

One does not need necessarily to be brilliant to earn a degree from Harvard. There are other ways to get in and get a degree, as many wealthy lads have discovered after daddy pulled the right strings. He's obviously smart. But never be overly impressed with a MBA (though Harvard has a rather good program). Many schools offer these for going to school on Saturdays for a year. The law degree from Harvard is more impressive; that isn't easy. But these are both professional - not academic - degrees. Hence my comment he's no scholar.


So, just for clarity :: President Obama also earned a J.D. from Harvard (but not in addition to an M.B.A.). Does he also represent a non-scholar, because his is not an "academic" degree?

Stated another way -- If one guy with 2 advanced "professional" degrees != a scholar, then another guy with fewer than 2 advanced "professional" degrees must also != a scholar. Right?? Shirley you see the issue.

/ Heave to, and stand by to hoist the petard!
 
2012-09-25 03:06:30 PM

gilgigamesh: luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp

"Partly true" because "his tone and phrasing were obviously intended to be tongue in cheek"? The hell?

If he was joking, he deadpans it. I actually was sure he was joking until I saw the video last night. Now I don't know. It's a matter of conjecture. So I don't know how Snopes purports to get inside Mitt's positronic net and make a ruling based on his intent.


A "deadpan" delivery of an intentionally humourous statement nonetheless requires appropriate inflection and wording to be appropriately understood as an effort at levity. Mr. Romney's statement lacked both the inflection and the wording of such an attempt. I am prepared to accept that Mr. Romney's statement was intended in jest, but I nonetheless maintain that it was stated improperly.
 
2012-09-25 03:16:38 PM
What i find funny is all of you assuming that all planes are pressurized when in fact the vast majority are not. You only need it when traveling above about 10k feet. In fact most airlines have windows that can be opened in the cockpit. Granted not when pressurized.....but silly people like you all assume so much. Also tae a lot of miliatry aircraft are not pressurized....its bad when a breach of the hull occurs....but gee i guess you silly people dont know nearly as much as you think.
 
2012-09-25 03:33:43 PM

maxximillian: I wouldnt feel too sorry for him. I don't think the tea party reeled him is as much as he went courting their support to make sure he'd clinch the nomination. The Tea Party seemed to be running an anybody but Romney campaign. Cain, Bachman, Santorum. I think the Tea party would have been happy with any of those over Romney.


It wasn't the Tea Party who reeled him in. It was the GOP leadership. Obviously, Romney holds the tea partiers in the lowest of disdain. Now, the GOP didn't want Bachman, Cain or Santorum. They wanted Romney because of his potential to appeal to moderate independents and cross-over right-leaning Democrats. But, they didn't want to lose the tea partiers, who have become so large a constituent of their based. So between the time when the other candidates dropped out and the convention, Romney was slowly shifted to the right. As this happened, the extreme right wing became more comfortable with him, but he started losing ground with moderates.

In reality, the GOP leadership wouldn't piss on a tea partier if he was on fire. All they want from them is their votes. Then they become deadbeats to be ignored again.
 
2012-09-25 03:39:30 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Should have paid extra for a plane with those little drop-down emergency oxygen masks


are you crazy, man!?! oxygen masks? some terrorist could use those to start a bomb!!! I don't know exactly how ... but they do!!!
 
2012-09-25 03:42:27 PM

Dimensio: gilgigamesh: luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp

"Partly true" because "his tone and phrasing were obviously intended to be tongue in cheek"? The hell?

If he was joking, he deadpans it. I actually was sure he was joking until I saw the video last night. Now I don't know. It's a matter of conjecture. So I don't know how Snopes purports to get inside Mitt's positronic net and make a ruling based on his intent.

A "deadpan" delivery of an intentionally humourous statement nonetheless requires appropriate inflection and wording to be appropriately understood as an effort at levity. Mr. Romney's statement lacked both the inflection and the wording of such an attempt. I am prepared to accept that Mr. Romney's statement was intended in jest, but I nonetheless maintain that it was stated improperly.




Leslie Nielsen was a master of the comedic deadpan delivery. It was the combination of the delivery with the overall context of the scene that made it hilarious.

Mitt Romney, on the other hand, was not trying to be funny.
 
2012-09-25 03:44:26 PM

pute kisses like a man: valkore: FTFA: At 35,000 ft. (11,000 m), the typical altitude of a commercial jet, the air pressure drops to less than a quarter of its value at sea level, and the outside temperature drops below negative 60 degrees Fahrenheit (negative 51 degrees Celsius), according to The Engineering Toolbox. Exposed to such conditions, you would quickly die.

So if you're up in the air at 35,000 feet and a window blows out, you'll have plenty of oxygen from the mask to breathe until you quickly freeze to death. Or does it take a while for the cabin temperature to change in this scenario? I'm sure there are reams of data out there about this subject.

at what altitude did the flying fortresses fly? I remember reading stories about gunners, after their little bubbles were bursted, having their blood freeze while it fell from their body to the floor. and they survived somehow.

although, that was probably more than 15,000 feet lower. man, being a gunner in a bomber sounded like a really shiatty job.


I remember reading a story where the belly gunner was stuck in his bubble and the pilot couldn't get the landing gears up (all due to battle damage). so in order to land the plane, they had to ... well ... turn the belly gunner into a skid mark.

//war is hell
 
2012-09-25 03:54:54 PM

aesirx: I remember reading a story where the belly gunner was stuck in his bubble and the pilot couldn't get the landing gears up (all due to battle damage). so in order to land the plane, they had to ... well ... turn the belly gunner into a skid mark.


Jeeze... I'm pretty sure I'd need therapy after that if I were that pilot.
 
2012-09-25 03:59:18 PM
I've seen the tape and it doesn't seem like he's joking. We've all seen badly delivered jokes, unfunny jokes, jokes with bad timing, jokes from somebody uncomfortable telling a joke but doing it because it's in the speech, etc. But no matter how badly delivered, you realize that the person was trying to tell a joke. This Romney comment, there's no sense that he's trying to tell a joke but doing a poor job of it. It really doesn't seem like a joke attempt.
 
2012-09-25 04:07:54 PM
wow.. if someone is going to release an article to show why Romney is an idiot, it better be a competent article, this one fell short...

the line about keeping the cabin pressurized so passengers get enough oxygen is fine, but the next line about how its also for maintaining temperature is misleading and should have just been left off.

the phrase "air molecules" is also misleading, and anyone with any science class under their belt knows that air is composed of a combination of molecules, namely N2 and O2 as has already been pointed out here.

then gravity is responsible for density decreasing as you get higher in altitude, but is only part of the story because temperature also decreases with altitude due to distance from the warm earth surface. Both of these are responsible for the lower temperature and pressure at 30,000ft.

so yes, the danger of opening a window is exposing passengers to atmospheric conditions at 30,000 ft and has nothing to do with air speed, though it would be loud I'd imagine, I'd be more worried about breathing than hearing.

anyway, my two cents, probably better ways to say it still.. any meteorologists here?
 
2012-09-25 04:09:38 PM
Gravity tends to keep air molecules concentrated near the ground, so the atmosphere thins out as you go up.

Meh, gravity is just a theory... Teach the controversy!
 
2012-09-25 04:24:39 PM

smitty04: Reference: CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, edited by David R. Lide, 1997.


Right...air comprises a bunch of kinds of molecules, but there is no "air molecule." Might as well have said something like "that building is composed of steel atoms."
 
2012-09-25 04:25:03 PM

RobSeace: Gravity tends to keep air molecules concentrated near the ground, so the atmosphere thins out as you go up.

Meh, gravity is just a theory... Teach the controversy!


Da Grabity man is trying to keep you down main! You gotsa fight back against this oppression of our bruthas!
 
2012-09-25 04:31:55 PM

Ishidan: HideMonkey: luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp

Dang. I was kind of enjoying thinking he'd stepped on his dick again. But that video looks like he was trying to make a joke.

Well then his delivery sucks, and it wasn't funny.


Give him a break, man... It's like when Data was first learning about humor... It took him a while to get it and be able to make anyone else laugh...

/Someone send Joe Piscapo to meet with Romney, stat!
 
2012-09-25 04:34:41 PM
This is petty.
 
2012-09-25 04:39:01 PM

smitty04: wiredroach: FTA: "Gravity tends to keep air molecules concentrated near the ground..."

WTF is an "air molecule?"

Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%

Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%

Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%

Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%

Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818%

Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002%

Helium -- He -- 0.000524%

Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114%

Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005%

Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087%

Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007%

Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002%

Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001%

Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace

Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace

Reference: CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, edited by David R. Lide, 1997.


This is a democracy. Nitrogen is obviously the winner.
 
2012-09-25 04:52:55 PM

cman: Weaver95: I honestly can't tell if Romney is simply ignorant or if he just doesn't realize what he sounds like to other people....

Ignorance. I cannot fathom any other possibility


fathom this: his point was that there should be some way to clear smoke out of a cabin once the plan has reached a low enough altitude to be safe
 
2012-09-25 05:19:28 PM
I would argue that Mitt is a solid man who is capable of many gut-worthy thoughts.

Unlike the elitist Obama Mitt is a man who can and will do his own laundry on demand, long sleeves and all.

Middle class, he could be fuzzy on that, he chose a random low number between 200 and 250k, that works.

And why can't jet airplanes have roll down windows in case of fire, it only makes sense, necessity is the mother of invention after all.

If some states see the best care for the uninsured, who are we to say that is a bad policy. Are you an elitiist who thinks you can factually say one policy works and one does not. That sounds elitist to me.

Mitt was smart enough to not go into production but saw the future was in finance.

Early on offered young Chinese women opportunities in Chinese factories making American goods a long time before Steve jobs did.

Mitt is capable of smart, solid decisions that come straight from the gut. Mitt is the the man and does not overthink things like Obama does.

I bet he knows enough to delegate disaster relief to his secretaries without oversight in the even of regional emergencies as well.
 
2012-09-25 05:32:45 PM

threedingers: Shadowknight: Headso: I like to make fun of Romney as much as the next lib but were the comments he made done so jokingly or something? I am not familiar with this one...

That's what I'm asking. I know he actually said the words. But I want to hear how he said them. The inflection used, you know? Because I've said things a lot like this in thick sarcasm.

Yeah, he was attempting to make a joke. About a potentially life threatening situation that his wife was in, and done so in his typically awkward, uncomfortable manner, but a joke nonetheless.


Agreed. Anyone who is not a total Tool who listens to the tape IN CONTEXT will know this.

All the hysteria over this says a lot more about the people doing it than it does about Romney.
 
2012-09-25 05:40:36 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: threedingers: Shadowknight: Headso: I like to make fun of Romney as much as the next lib but were the comments he made done so jokingly or something? I am not familiar with this one...

That's what I'm asking. I know he actually said the words. But I want to hear how he said them. The inflection used, you know? Because I've said things a lot like this in thick sarcasm.

Yeah, he was attempting to make a joke. About a potentially life threatening situation that his wife was in, and done so in his typically awkward, uncomfortable manner, but a joke nonetheless.

Agreed. Anyone who is not a total Tool who listens to the tape IN CONTEXT will know this.

All the hysteria over this says a lot more about the people doing it than it does about Romney.


It certainly says something about the people defending him...
 
2012-09-25 06:22:33 PM

epoch_destroi: Except...I saw the video? And he's clearly joking? Maybe it's a cultural thing-- a northern/upper class-to-rich humor style, but I have a lot of friends who deliver jokes exactly like that. We just have a very dry sense of humor, almost British in style.


Uh, no. While I agree that he appeared to be attempting a joke, it was in no way "British in style". It wasn't dry humour, it was poorly timed, with unamusing subject matter and weak delivery. The crass and unfunny always retreat to the dryness of their jokes being the reason that they don't get a laugh when in reality it's simply that they're not funny in the slightest. All you've said here is that you hang out with some really unfunny people.
 
2012-09-25 06:38:55 PM

Free_Chilly_Willy: Weaver95: you wanted to believe that Mitt was the golden child sent to save the Republican party's legislative agenda.

I was never a fan of Romney, my vote for him is purely and vote against the administration and their policies. I am voting FOR Paul Ryan however.


Talk about out of the pan and into the fire; you'd be better off supporting R-Money the Paul-90Sux
 
2012-09-25 07:03:11 PM
Dear Free_Chilly_Willy:

This is a friendly note from Kittypie to you.

If you don't like Romney, then vote Gary Johnson.

If you vote for Ryan you are going to have Romney glued onto Ryan
whether you want him or not and you have said that you do not.

Vote Gary Johnson!

:3
 
2012-09-25 07:03:40 PM
Frankly, I'm stunned. First the "rape rape" bio-defense gaffe, then this "I don't understand why they don't allow airliner passengers to open the windows." Double facepalm. True, the above statements were made by two separate people, but the retardation and pure moranicy still shines forth. Not only is he out of touch with the working man and woman, but apparently out of touch with reality as well. And no..I'm not voting for him, and even before the gaffs I had planned not to. One has to wonder if Toby Zegler had been his speechwriter and he said this in public, what would Toby have done? I believe his head would have exploded.
 
2012-09-25 07:45:57 PM

Free_Chilly_Willy: I was never a fan of Romney, my vote for him is purely and vote against the administration and their policies.


I know it's been beaten to death, but this, RIGHT HERE, is what is wrong with American politics. God forfarking bid we find someone CAPABLE of RUNNING A GODDAMN COUNTRY, let's just get the current moron out of office, we'll deal with the next moron in four years.

/NOT necessarily an endorsement for Ron Paul
//Rhetorical question- who was our last "good" president? I'd say FDR, if only to confuse people who think he was a member of the same Republican party as Nixon and Reagan...
 
2012-09-25 07:47:12 PM
Misread the headline as saying "plate windows", was very confused.
 
2012-09-25 08:19:20 PM
Wait, this is from Yahoo! "News"? Seems a little "out of left field" for them, ifyouknowhatimean...

Yahoo! News, news for Yahoos. I literally die a little bit inside whenever I read the comment threads. And that's coming from Fark. (And yes, I know what "literally" means. Yahoo! news gave me cancer.)
 
2012-09-25 08:43:16 PM

leonel: Yeah I'm no fan of Romney myself but I admit I haven't seen the video and don't know if it was a joke or not now.


Do we really want a President that can't tell a joke? Seriously, socializing is the next most important thing after 'resist pushing the red candy like button' and not spilling your martini after knocking back a few. Um... wait a minute. Romney's Mormon, he'll never make it in international relations. Think of the embarrassment, Putin wheeling Romney back up to the white house in a shopping cart at 4am.
 
2012-09-25 08:43:52 PM

reillan: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: threedingers: Shadowknight: Headso: I like to make fun of Romney as much as the next lib but were the comments he made done so jokingly or something? I am not familiar with this one...

That's what I'm asking. I know he actually said the words. But I want to hear how he said them. The inflection used, you know? Because I've said things a lot like this in thick sarcasm.

Yeah, he was attempting to make a joke. About a potentially life threatening situation that his wife was in, and done so in his typically awkward, uncomfortable manner, but a joke nonetheless.

Agreed. Anyone who is not a total Tool who listens to the tape IN CONTEXT will know this.

All the hysteria over this says a lot more about the people doing it than it does about Romney.

It certainly says something about the people defending him...


Strange as it may seem to your brainwashed little mind, Truth does not depend on politics. Have you, you know, actually listened to the whole tape?
 
2012-09-25 09:42:19 PM
Apparently Mitt Romney's lack of clearly articulated domestic and foreign policy ideas are much less of a liability to him than something he said about an airplane. I see we are under no compulsion to educate the public on governance and policy this election cycle.

Joke didn't "land." Also, Ann didn't die, so Mitt didn't have to dip into his harem of sister wives. Now can we please move on and actually consider some issue that has any relevance or use vis-a-vis the US presidency?

I'm just imagining Lewis Black having a conniption or Dennis Miller ranting about the insanity of debating whether a comment about airplane windows was a joke or not. 40 or so days until an election and Rachel Maddow is doing the hard investigative work on airplane windows. Snopes is debunking airplane window comments. Republicans are defending Mitt Romney's airplane window joke. Embassies are burning, $16,000,000,000,000 in debt, gay marriage issues are divisive and problematic, government-mandated medical insurance, marijuana legalization, Iran is threatening to unleash a nuclear holocaust, people are unemployed, food and gas prices are increasing while salaries are not, the Fed is printing money like they're playing a game of farking Monopoly, and we're talking about farking airplane windows???

Peace, I'm outta here. I'm going to the hospital to get treatment for the aneurysm that just burst in my brain. I seriously cannot handle this level of idiocy.
 
2012-09-25 10:32:48 PM

JackieRabbit: ...(quite intelligent commentary)....

If Romney keeps screwing up as badly as he has (he cannot afford to go safe; he must be aggressive and highly visible) and if he can't get control of his staff, to stop their in-fighting, we could be looking at an Obama mini-landslide, or at least a clear mandate. As soon as the GOP started moving him to the right, he should have bucked. This was his and John McCain's biggest mistake.


I read your comments and kept wanting to jump in where you were totally wrong, but you've really answered all of the questions I felt you raised with your further comments. Intelligent stuff, well done.

It's the same in Australia. We have an unpopular Labor (ie social-democrat) government, and a conservative opposition leader who turns a hell of a lot of people off. Admittedly, our society is about half-a-step to the left of US society on most issues. We also have a relatively centrist moderate politician who is part of the conservative party (called the Liberal party, just to confuse Americans, but it's a centre-right grouping) who previously led the Liberal party in opposition, and who seemed somewhat unpalatable to conservative business leaders but would have been much more popular with the electorate had he lead the opposition to an election. He seems to be the equivalent fo the 'true' Romney you describe (is also a multi-millionaire after a lucrative business career). But unlike Romney, at least as you describe him, our guy is true to his values on most issues.

If you can't be true with the electorate about yourself, it's indicative of some major problems. Your description of this as Romney's (and McCain's) biggest mistake is excellent.
 
2012-09-26 01:50:06 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: I know he was thinking of his wife and her choking on smoke, but "letting oxygen in" is the dumbest thing to do when you suspect there is a fire.


I wonder if airplanes have oxygen tanks.
 
2012-09-26 02:06:02 AM
FTFA: Update: Romney was joking. The New York Times' Ashley Parker, who wrote the original report about the Beverly Hills fundraiser that quickly got spread around the Web, told New York Magazine today that Romney had been joking. Parker said that while her report didn't explicitly indicate Romney was joking, "it was clear from the context" that he was.

That's it? Lame, lame, lame!
 
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