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2012-09-25 12:03:43 PM
So now that he knows you can't roll windows down on airplanes, do we need to let him know how not to solve the "I guess my dog can't stick his head out on flights, how do I get him the fresh air and breeze he wants" dilemma that is sure to come up sooner rather than later?
 
2012-09-25 12:03:48 PM

smitty04: Decompression has been exaggerated in the movies.


Hell, from what we know, 2001 has it right: your body could survive a brief stint in a vacuum. (Depending on who you ask, you'd have 10-30 sec. until you go unconscious.)
 
2012-09-25 12:04:34 PM

JackieRabbit: Langdon Alger: the reason you don't "just open the emergency exit door" is that I hear it's pretty hard to do that during normal cruising altitude in a pressurized cabin as mentioned by others. Also another biggie, is that a terrorist wants CONTROL over the aircraft to reach what ever he or she's goal is. Goals could b: fly into building to kill innocent people for your "cause", use a weapon of some sort to scare people to do your bidding (free hostages, bags of money, etc.)

It is actually impossible to open the emergency exit at altitude. The door opens inward and the pressure difference between the pressurized cabin and outside presses the door against its seals. More, when the cabin is pressurized, the latching mechanism is locked and will not operate.


Cool. I didn't look into the technical side of it but on assumption and context clues I was saying that opening the door does not allow a terrorist control the situation to reach the specific goal in mind. Hole or door open on plane usually results in some very odd situations where the outcome is very unpredictable.
 
2012-09-25 12:04:35 PM

ijit: And this clown is running for President! Who is dumber, him or the ass-clowns that are supporting him?!


People who refuse to vote for a blah person.
 
2012-09-25 12:05:09 PM

fluffy2097: fireclown: Speaking of decompression, I'm continuously amazed that people don't open that emergency door. It seems like a really, really easy way to mess with an airplane. Don't need no bomb, don't need no tools. Just will.

They open inwards. Good luck making that budge while the cabin is pressurized.


Let's see, cabin pressure at cruising altitude is typically the equivalent of approx 5,000', or 14 psi. Exterior pressure at 35,000' is approx 3.5 psi, a pressure differential of 10.5 psi. The cabin door is say, 72" x 48" (just my SWAG) for an area of 3,456 in2, which would require 3,456x10.5=36,288 lb of force to open.
 
2012-09-25 12:05:31 PM

cman: fireclown: Speaking of decompression, I'm continuously amazed that people don't open that emergency door. It seems like a really, really easy way to mess with an airplane. Don't need no bomb, don't need no tools. Just will.

It is impossible to open a door at 32,000 feet with cruising speed. To open a door midflight pilots have to slow down quite a bit.


Not sure if serious. It's not a speed thing, it's an air presure thing. Inside the cabin the air is at ~8000 feet, outside is at, well, 32,000 feet. The air pushing on the door won't let you pull it inward.
 
2012-09-25 12:05:39 PM

Free_Chilly_Willy: reillan: Yeah... reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Weaver95: but enough about fox news, right?

His comments are hardly news worthy. More for the late night comedy trash and John Stewart crowd, oh wait that is where most liberals get their "news" from anyway. Never mind.


So you are saying Romney isn't newsworthy?
 
2012-09-25 12:05:55 PM

HideMonkey: luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp

Dang. I was kind of enjoying thinking he'd stepped on his dick again. But that video looks like he was trying to make a joke.


See?

But because it was Romney, you all jumped on this and screamed, "There's NO WAY it could be a joke! He's a robot!"

What's more robotic-- Romney making a damn joke when he's often criticized for 'humorlessness', or the identical automatic response of libs/dems whenever he opens his mouth?

The egg's on your face, libs.
 
2012-09-25 12:06:41 PM

evaned: smitty04: Decompression has been exaggerated in the movies.

Hell, from what we know, 2001 has it right: your body could survive a brief stint in a vacuum. (Depending on who you ask, you'd have 10-30 sec. until you go unconscious.)


Having your lungs and eyes rupture due to gasses boiling out of solution is not my idea of my final 30 seconds of life.
 
2012-09-25 12:06:51 PM

HideMonkey: luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp

Dang. I was kind of enjoying thinking he'd stepped on his dick again. But that video looks like he was trying to make a joke.


Well then his delivery sucks, and it wasn't funny.
 
2012-09-25 12:07:22 PM

Free_Chilly_Willy: reillan: Yeah... reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Weaver95: but enough about fox news, right?

His comments are hardly news worthy. More for the late night comedy trash and John Stewart crowd, oh wait that is where most liberals get their "news" from anyway. Never mind.



You don't think a presidential candidate being dumb enough to say something so farking retarded to a newspaper is newsworthy?
 
2012-09-25 12:08:22 PM

Weaver95: ...Mitt is having a LOT of problems trying to not sound like an asshole.


If it quacks like a duck..... He appears immune to intellectual curiosity.
 
2012-09-25 12:08:26 PM

Free_Chilly_Willy: reillan: Yeah... reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Weaver95: but enough about fox news, right?

His comments are hardly news worthy. More for the late night comedy trash and John Stewart crowd, oh wait that is where most liberals get their "news" from anyway. Never mind.




The Daily Show is a better news source than Fox News... so... there's that...
 
2012-09-25 12:08:53 PM
At 35,000 ft. (11,000 m), the typical altitude of a commercial jet, the air pressure drops to less than a quarter of its value at sea level, and the outside temperature drops below negative 60 degrees Fahrenheit (negative 51 degrees Celsius), according to The Engineering Toolbox. Exposed to such conditions, you would quickly die.

Which is a good thing, because 15,000 ft lower you have other things to worry about.

images.wikia.com
 
2012-09-25 12:09:09 PM

Ishidan: HideMonkey: luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp

Dang. I was kind of enjoying thinking he'd stepped on his dick again. But that video looks like he was trying to make a joke.

Well then his delivery sucks, and it wasn't funny.


First: "it's not a joke! he clearly doesn't know anything about airplanes how can he lead our country!!!11"
then: "well it wasn't FUNNY!"

omg, it was a politician making an amusing aside. HOW DARE HE NOT SPLIT YOUR SIDES WITH LAUGHTER, clearly he is satan/antichrist/hitler incarnate and incapable of leading the country! We should only hire comedians to be president! Comedian airline technicians!



/friggin a'.
 
2012-09-25 12:09:29 PM

big pig peaches: It's more likely Romney simply has the comedic timing of an eggplant.


That sir is an insult to the eggplant community.
 
2012-09-25 12:09:32 PM

evaned: smitty04: Decompression has been exaggerated in the movies.

Hell, from what we know, 2001 has it right: your body could survive a brief stint in a vacuum. (Depending on who you ask, you'd have 10-30 sec. until you go unconscious.)


It's that last bit that gets you. Please ask Payne Stewart whether the risks of decompression are exaggerated.
 
2012-09-25 12:10:25 PM
For fark's sake, you could have an open window on an airplane at cruising altitude and you'd maintain pressure just fine.

Don't believe me?
 
2012-09-25 12:10:30 PM

Shadowknight: I have only read the quote, and never actually saw a video of Romney saying this. So, was he saying it humorously or sarcastically? Because even I would have done that. Or did he mean it sincerely?

Because with the other idiocy going on into the Rmoney camp lately, it could really go any which way.


Have we previously heard Romney employ actual sarcasm?
 
2012-09-25 12:10:34 PM

platedlizard: fireclown: Speaking of decompression, I'm continuously amazed that people don't open that emergency door. It seems like a really, really easy way to mess with an airplane. Don't need no bomb, don't need no tools. Just will.

I don't think those doors can open when the outside pressure is significantly lower than the inside.


There you go! There's a reason for that.
 
2012-09-25 12:10:37 PM

Free_Chilly_Willy: I have never seen the main stream media act in such a blatant and hostile way to a Presidential canindate.

Yes, Romney had a slip of the brain when saying that windows should be able to lower on airplanes, but the constant hammering the media is doing with regard to this comment is sickening.

Where is the media on the administration's failure to fix the economy, its capitulation to Iran on nuclear weapons, its failure to secure a proper democracy for Egypt?


epoch_destroi: FormlessOne: Why are you surprised that the Republican offering for "Leader of the Free World" thinks they should've just opened the window to let the smoke out of a pressurized cabin? I'm surprised Brawndo isn't sponsoring his friggin' campaign yet.

Wow, lay off of Romney already! I can't believe this is even a news article. Somehow, I don't think knowing the inner workings of airplane windows has much to do with LEADING THE FREE WORLD. If this news story were about Obama, you'd be fussing about FAWX NEWZ, but since it's about Romney it clearly means he's an out-of-touch moron? Shame on you.

 
2012-09-25 12:11:35 PM

Barbecue Bob: Free_Chilly_Willy: I have never seen the main stream media act in such a blatant and hostile way to a Presidential canindate.

Yes, Romney had a slip of the brain when saying that windows should be able to lower on airplanes, but the constant hammering the media is doing with regard to this comment is sickening.

Where is the media on the administration's failure to fix the economy, its capitulation to Iran on nuclear weapons, its failure to secure a proper democracy for Egypt?

epoch_destroi: FormlessOne: Why are you surprised that the Republican offering for "Leader of the Free World" thinks they should've just opened the window to let the smoke out of a pressurized cabin? I'm surprised Brawndo isn't sponsoring his friggin' campaign yet.

Wow, lay off of Romney already! I can't believe this is even a news article. Somehow, I don't think knowing the inner workings of airplane windows has much to do with LEADING THE FREE WORLD. If this news story were about Obama, you'd be fussing about FAWX NEWZ, but since it's about Romney it clearly means he's an out-of-touch moron? Shame on you.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-09-25 12:11:41 PM

Shadowknight: I have only read the quote, and never actually saw a video of Romney saying this. So, was he saying it humorously or sarcastically? Because even I would have done that. Or did he mean it sincerely?

Because with the other idiocy going on into the Rmoney camp lately, it could really go any which way.


Yeah I'm no fan of Romney myself but I admit I haven't seen the video and don't know if it was a joke or not now.
 
2012-09-25 12:12:22 PM
My favorite part has to be:
" Because temperature and pressure go hand-in-hand (i.e. low-pressure air feels cold), pressurization is also necessary to keep cabins sufficiently warm."

It's plain wrong, and for this to be listed on yahoo "news" makes it worse. More people will see it, and more people will be come even dumber (or hopefully laugh at this statement). If you're going to write an article about science, at least have a basic understanding of said science.

I hope the dumbass tag was for the author.
 
2012-09-25 12:12:38 PM

danielscissorhands: Corvus: Romney is a complete idiot who has been handed everything in his life and surrounded by yes men.

Similarly, Hirohito didn't know how to use doorknobs.

/true story, bro


That's also because every building he ever lived in had sliding shoji for doors.
 
2012-09-25 12:13:16 PM

lohphat: danielscissorhands: Corvus: Romney is a complete idiot who has been handed everything in his life and surrounded by yes men.

Similarly, Hirohito didn't know how to use doorknobs.

/true story, bro

[citation needed]

I could find no other reference to that observation other than reference to a scene in a movie. Methinks it was artistic license.


It may well have been.

However, with all those servants polishing Hirohito's know, it would not be surprising if he couldn't turn it himself.

I am referring to his door knob.
 
2012-09-25 12:13:16 PM

Ishidan: HideMonkey: luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp

Dang. I was kind of enjoying thinking he'd stepped on his dick again. But that video looks like he was trying to make a joke.

Well then his delivery sucks, and it wasn't funny.


You read his delivery. To my knowledge nobody heard it, so things like intonation were missing.

you fail. People should read that link
 
2012-09-25 12:13:16 PM

threedingers: Yeah, he was attempting to make a joke


I see zero indication that he was. Not a shred of humor. Hell, he didn't even pause for laughter, he threw the sentence in there as an aside. That's not an attempt at humor.
 
2012-09-25 12:14:09 PM

luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp


Well, Snopes jumps the shark. Romney used the same expression and tone describing the danger to his wife's life as he did the plane's window structure. Or a Freudian slip?
 
2012-09-25 12:14:48 PM
newspaper.li
 
2012-09-25 12:15:13 PM

danielscissorhands: lohphat: danielscissorhands: Corvus: Romney is a complete idiot who has been handed everything in his life and surrounded by yes men.

Similarly, Hirohito didn't know how to use doorknobs.

/true story, bro

[citation needed]

I could find no other reference to that observation other than reference to a scene in a movie. Methinks it was artistic license.

It may well have been.

However, with all those servants polishing Hirohito's know, it would not be surprising if he couldn't turn it himself.

I am referring to his door knob.


KNOB>

Damn this phone!
 
2012-09-25 12:15:27 PM

lohphat: Having your lungs and eyes rupture due to gasses boiling out of solution is not my idea of my final 30 seconds of life.


See, this is what I mean: that's lore that would not actually happen.

"If you don't try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness."
Ask an astrophysicist

"In reality, however, animal experiments and human accidents have shown that people can likely survive exposure to vacuum conditions for at least a couple of minutes. Not that you would remain conscious long enough to rescue yourself, but if your predicament was accidental, there could be time for fellow crew members to rescue and repressurize you with few ill effects."
Scientific American
 
2012-09-25 12:15:30 PM
Mitt thinks this is safer:

milesobrien.com
 
2012-09-25 12:15:58 PM
Ewwww, I feel dirty even reading comments from so many people involved in such a gigantic circle jerk.

Assuming for the moment that he said:

"I appreciate the fact that she is on the ground, safe and sound. And I don't think she knows just how worried some of us were. When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no - and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem. So it's very dangerous. And she was choking and rubbing her eyes. Fortunately, there was enough oxygen for the pilot and copilot to make a safe landing in Denver. But she's safe and sound."

A normal interpretation of what he meant by "that" (highlighted above) is that he is referring to "you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft" (also highlighted above). It seems reasonable that one would want people not to die of smoke inhalation in a case in which the cabin fills with smoke, right? His solution is not necessarily for passengers to be able to open windows, that is just an explanation for why people can't do this on their own as they would if the vehicle in which they were traveling was on the ground.

I know, I know, a waste of words to a bunch of true believers who know that anyone who disagrees with them on anything is an idiot and a tea-bagger, anything that is wrong with the world is Bush's Fault®, and any time Obama does exactly what Bush did it is because of the Republicans.
 
2012-09-25 12:17:02 PM

Free_Chilly_Willy: Weaver95: you wanted to believe that Mitt was the golden child sent to save the Republican party's legislative agenda.

I was never a fan of Romney, my vote for him is purely and vote against the administration and their policies. I am voting FOR Paul Ryan however.

Despite my preference of another candidate, anyone who cannot see who the mainstream media is manipulating the "news" to suit is clearly not paying attention.


English! Do you speak it?
 
2012-09-25 12:17:56 PM

NorKnOAd: My favorite part has to be:
" Because temperature and pressure go hand-in-hand (i.e. low-pressure air feels cold), pressurization is also necessary to keep cabins sufficiently warm."

It's plain wrong, and for this to be listed on yahoo "news" makes it worse. More people will see it, and more people will be come even dumber (or hopefully laugh at this statement). If you're going to write an article about science, at least have a basic understanding of said science.

I hope the dumbass tag was for the author.


Well, it was wrong for the wrong reasons. If you take a mass of air and put that same mass in a larger volume, the temperature will indeed go down. If you take that and put it in a smaller volume, the temperature will indeed go up. It is one of the reasons why it's colder the higher you get in the atmosphere. However, they don't pressurize the planes to keep the temperature up, they do it to keep people alive. They have heaters for the temperature. The author was someone who was too busy fantasizing about the person sitting next to them in Chemistry class to understand that.
 
2012-09-25 12:17:57 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: threedingers: Yeah, he was attempting to make a joke

I see zero indication that he was. Not a shred of humor. Hell, he didn't even pause for laughter, he threw the sentence in there as an aside. That's not an attempt at humor.


I"m not sure Romney's humor subroutines are entirely functional. for one thing, Romney keeps laughing at table legs. we're not sure why that happens either, but the database seems to think table legs are absolutely hilarious. so we had to take humor offline and see if we could trace the error. we were under the gun though and had to get him back online ASAP, so the fix was to delete all references to table legs. he honestly doesn't know what they are now, which is something of an obscure issue - I mean how often does a table leg come up in conversation? so we're probably safe in the short term.
 
2012-09-25 12:18:16 PM

leonel: Yeah I'm no fan of Romney myself but I admit I haven't seen the video and don't know if it was a joke or not now.


luvtinayothers posted it, but apparently did not yell it loud enough: Link

Open for your interpretation. But inflection does matter.
 
2012-09-25 12:18:17 PM

Dimensio: Humour is a viable method for reducing tension following a stressful occurrence. If Mr. Romney was attempting humour, his error was in the poor phrasing of his statement and not in making the effort itself.


The point is that most people don't think Romney is actually stupid enough to even make that joke. Did you read the full statement? He starts with the story about his wife, mentions the windows and then immediately go on about how luckily the pilots had enough oxygen to land and did their job well. There's not even really room for a joke, it flows from scary story to dumb statement to a safe outcome...
 
2012-09-25 12:18:25 PM
i729.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-25 12:18:31 PM
www.internetweekly.org
i.qkme.me
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-25 12:19:01 PM
Also:

Why hasn't anyone answered the question about being able to open the E-doors while in flight? Does no one read the thread before commenting?? I'd like to know about the doors, 'cause that IS a major security concern.... (shouldn't they at least be locked, or something?)


{/sarc}
 
2012-09-25 12:20:01 PM

luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp


"Partly true" because "his tone and phrasing were obviously intended to be tongue in cheek"? The hell?

If he was joking, he deadpans it. I actually was sure he was joking until I saw the video last night. Now I don't know. It's a matter of conjecture. So I don't know how Snopes purports to get inside Mitt's positronic net and make a ruling based on his intent.
 
2012-09-25 12:20:54 PM

evaned: lohphat: Having your lungs and eyes rupture due to gasses boiling out of solution is not my idea of my final 30 seconds of life.

See, this is what I mean: that's lore that would not actually happen.

"If you don't try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness."
Ask an astrophysicist

"In reality, however, animal experiments and human accidents have shown that people can likely survive exposure to vacuum conditions for at least a couple of minutes. Not that you would remain conscious long enough to rescue yourself, but if your predicament was accidental, there could be time for fellow crew members to rescue and repressurize you with few ill effects."
Scientific American


Neither of those articles go into detail of what happens to your alveoli in your lungs when exposed to a vacuum. They are thin-walled delicate structures used to exchange gasses. Having ing a vacuum on one side of the membrane will probably cause severe hemmoraging.
 
2012-09-25 12:20:59 PM

luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp


I like how it says "partly true". It's wholly true whether he meant it as a joke or not. The question is: Did he say that?, and the answer is "Yes.", not "Kind of yes". Snopes is really getting scared of this attack on fact checkers, that's for sure. Unfortunately, video is blocked at work, i'm going to try and find it elsewhere.
 
2012-09-25 12:21:53 PM

IAAl: Ewwww, I feel dirty even reading comments from so many people involved in such a gigantic circle jerk.

Assuming for the moment that he said:


So, now it's not a joke?
 
2012-09-25 12:21:57 PM

luvtinayothers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/windows.asp


I'm no fan of the guy but it does look like he was joking. And the way that report cut the words off abruptly suggest they wanted to context to look as bad as it could.
 
2012-09-25 12:22:19 PM

KyDave: jaylectricity: Warthog: There are so many things wrong with this. Not with the details in the article, but with the fact that the article was even necessary.

Not everybody is as smart as you. Matter of fact, just the fact that you know how to use the internet, open register a user name, pay for a subscription and post in a forum puts you ahead of 47% of the country in terms of intelligence.

So: you're implying that 53% of the country are on Fark -- and TF, at that? Unpossible!


No, silly...I mean that 47% of the country couldn't figure out how to even be on TF.
 
2012-09-25 12:22:47 PM

lohphat: evaned: lohphat: Having your lungs and eyes rupture due to gasses boiling out of solution is not my idea of my final 30 seconds of life.

See, this is what I mean: that's lore that would not actually happen.

"If you don't try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness."
Ask an astrophysicist

"In reality, however, animal experiments and human accidents have shown that people can likely survive exposure to vacuum conditions for at least a couple of minutes. Not that you would remain conscious long enough to rescue yourself, but if your predicament was accidental, there could be time for fellow crew members to rescue and repressurize you with few ill effects."
Scientific American

Neither of those articles go into detail of what happens to your alveoli in your lungs when exposed to a vacuum. They are thin-walled delicate structures used to exchange gasses. Having ing a vacuum on one side of the membrane will probably cause severe hemmoraging.


it depends on the circumstances. if you exhale sharply before exposure, odds are you can survive at least a minute without permanent damage. you will not enjoy the experience.
 
2012-09-25 12:23:00 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: threedingers: Yeah, he was attempting to make a joke

I see zero indication that he was. Not a shred of humor. Hell, he didn't even pause for laughter, he threw the sentence in there as an aside. That's not an attempt at humor.


If it were Obama, you'd be applauding his dry delivery. :/

Righties might "cling to [our] guns and religion", but you liberals cling to one interpretation of an event like you'll fall off the monkey bars if you let one thing go. Can't be wrong, though! Nope nope nope. Reality doesn't have a liberal bias; liberals are biased against reality.
 
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