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2012-09-25 11:39:20 AM  
Who is John Fart?
 
2012-09-25 11:47:57 AM  
Herpdedoooo!

/this should be the accepted, and most used retort for such 'articles'.
 
2012-09-25 11:56:19 AM  
What if somebody kept banging the drums of war and nobody answered? Truly, the Republicans have the worst strategists on the planet for this election.
 
2012-09-25 12:02:24 PM  

MrBallou: What if somebody kept banging the drums of war and nobody answered? Truly, the Republicans have the worst strategists on the planet for this election.


They're really trying to make hay a scandal with the "bump in the road" comment that the President used in the 60 Minutes interview. They still haven't figured out that they're not gonna win against this President on foreign policy, but bless their hearts, they just keep trying.
 
2012-09-25 12:54:55 PM  
Is this where I can point out that all spending bills originate in the GOP-controlled House which hasn't even tried to pass a budget? Is this where I also note that 'passing a budget' doesn't just mean getting the House to vote on it, it means putting together a document that gets through the Senate too and gets the President's signature?

The GOP controls the start point for the budget and therefore the debt. Why aren't they trying to do something besides passing 31 bills overturning HCR?

Also:

i575.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-25 12:58:26 PM  
All the GOP true believers are going to "Go Galt" as soon as their SSI Disability checks arrive and their Medicaid-paid Hoverounds are fully charged.
 
2012-09-25 01:07:07 PM  
Given the fact that
a) Israel is an ally
b) We are the world's policeman
c) There are states that have the destruction of Israel in the forefront of their mind
d) This is an issue that has been going on for thousands of years, not since 1950's

Yes, this is a bump in the road.
 
2012-09-25 01:13:46 PM  
But...but...Repu...Demo....

Quit mindlessly blowing sunshine at your team and hold them all accountable.
 
2012-09-25 01:20:01 PM  

Spad31: But...but...Repu...Demo....

Quit mindlessly blowing sunshine at your team and hold them all accountable.


See GAT_00's post and adjust for reality.
 
2012-09-25 01:31:24 PM  

unlikely: Spad31: But...but...Repu...Demo....

Quit mindlessly blowing sunshine at your team and hold them all accountable.

See GAT_00's post and adjust for reality.


Heh. You're blowing sunshine for GAT? Heh. Noted.
 
2012-09-25 01:58:54 PM  

Spad31: Heh. You're blowing sunshine for GAT? Heh. Noted.


I know, I feel dirty too.

But in this case "Both sides are bad" is way too simplistic a response and his link is easily confirmed with minimal research.

So yeah, I'm inclined to discard the Nickelback argument.
 
2012-09-25 02:14:43 PM  
Rupert Murdock owns newspapers and TV networks in Europe too.

/not really foreign news source
 
2012-09-25 02:15:23 PM  
A fiscal horror? I think you're overstating it just a slight bit.
 
2012-09-25 02:15:31 PM  
hey england, hows the economy doing for you guys since you decided to go the austerity route in a recession?

oh really? your economy is dead in the water? well then, thanks for the advice and good luck with that!
 
2012-09-25 02:17:06 PM  
This is the worst and most dangerous economic thing ever! Grr, arg, flargle.
 
2012-09-25 02:17:12 PM  
When the debt gets to 133%, 140% of GDP, then we can panic.

At this point, we raise taxes on the people who can most afford it, and let inflation and GDP growth bring the debt percentage down to manageable levels.
 
2012-09-25 02:18:53 PM  

unlikely: Spad31: Heh. You're blowing sunshine for GAT? Heh. Noted.

I know, I feel dirty too.

But in this case "Both sides are bad" is way too simplistic a response and his link is easily confirmed with minimal research.

So yeah, I'm inclined to discard the Nickelback argument.


Hmm, I didn't know you were one of my detractors. That's disappointing.
 
2012-09-25 02:20:57 PM  
Asked by David Letterman on The Late Show to explain all those zeros on America's debt clock, displayed at the Republicans' convention, Obama replied: "I don't remember what the number was, precisely." Offering the president a clue, the veteran chat-show host suggested "about $10 trillion", at which point Obama switched effortlessly to praising the budget surplus of Bill Clinton and sailed off to safety.

This is what the author is calling a 'blunder' and insulting to the 'nation's collective intelligence' and should have been widely reported?

Are you farking kidding me???
 
2012-09-25 02:21:02 PM  
i1125.photobucket.com

/Shamelessly stolen from maxheck.
 
2012-09-25 02:22:03 PM  

Spad31: unlikely: Spad31: But...but...Repu...Demo....

Quit mindlessly blowing sunshine at your team and hold them all accountable.

See GAT_00's post and adjust for reality.

Heh. You're blowing sunshine for GAT? Heh. Noted.


HEH! No he's blowing sunshine for reality. While I agree that there are too many cheerleaders who won't hold their "team" accountable, this is not one of those times. The reality is that every time a Republican brings up the debt, the budget, and reducing spending and points at Obama, they are being willfully ignorant of the reality of the situation.
 
2012-09-25 02:22:55 PM  
GOP: OMG!!! The debt is too high
Rational people: Lets raise taxes on Capital Gains and Dividends
GOP: OMG!!! Socialism!!!
 
2012-09-25 02:24:49 PM  
...the man in charge of the world's biggest economy emerged virtually unscathed from his casual confession on CBS that he did not know how much the US owes

"I don't remember what the number was precisely" != "Hurr Durr what's a deficit?" 

But history teaches us that a Republican in the Oval Office is no guarantee of fiscal prudence.

[niccage]

Republicans don't seem to have a lot of use for history or teachers.
 
2012-09-25 02:25:44 PM  
Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.
 
2012-09-25 02:26:06 PM  
Oh wow. It's the dramatic debt-induced peal-clutching routine again.
Save it for people who give a shiat.
 
2012-09-25 02:26:38 PM  
Dear Random British Person.
The POTUS can't do what you seem to think he can do, by virtue of the separation of powers outlined in the US Constitution.
He has 535 people to contend with, a good number of which are (at the best of times) like idiot children.
Go back to your ass-fuel traditional breakfasts with which to produce more worthwhile commentary.
Best
Random American Person.
 
2012-09-25 02:27:42 PM  
I'd rather a shrug than the flat-out mooning we got from Gee Dub at his play-ranch.
 
2012-09-25 02:28:07 PM  

joonyer: Spad31: unlikely: Spad31: But...but...Repu...Demo....

Quit mindlessly blowing sunshine at your team and hold them all accountable.

See GAT_00's post and adjust for reality.

Heh. You're blowing sunshine for GAT? Heh. Noted.

HEH! No he's blowing sunshine for reality. While I agree that there are too many cheerleaders who won't hold their "team" accountable, this is not one of those times. The reality is that every time a Republican brings up the debt, the budget, and reducing spending and points at Obama, they are being willfully ignorant of the reality of the situation.


I don't disagree. My original comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. You can relax and breathe a little. GATand I disagree on some stuff, but that's to be expected. It's all good. I'd still ahve him over for beers and steaks.
 
2012-09-25 02:30:36 PM  

quatchi: Republicans don't seem to have a lot of use for history false realities or teachers elitists.


FTFTruth!
 
2012-09-25 02:32:00 PM  

Spad31: I don't disagree. My original comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. You can relax and breathe a little. GATand I disagree on some stuff, but that's to be expected. It's all good. I'd still ahve him over for beers and steaks.


I like how you try to cover up for your mistake by saying your original post wasn't directed at anyone, when in reality the response wasn't to your original post, but to the "Heh. You're blowing sunshine for GAT? Heh. Noted."

Care to explain what you meant by that, then?
 
2012-09-25 02:37:09 PM  
Is this the thread where people explain how being $16T in debt is actually a good thing?
 
2012-09-25 02:37:30 PM  
So Romney insults half the country and Obama can't recall an exact number. BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME!
 
2012-09-25 02:38:58 PM  

GanjSmokr: Is this the thread where people explain how being $16T in debt is actually a good thing?


Nope, wrong thread. See ya!
 
2012-09-25 02:39:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Spad31: I don't disagree. My original comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. You can relax and breathe a little. GATand I disagree on some stuff, but that's to be expected. It's all good. I'd still ahve him over for beers and steaks.

I like how you try to cover up for your mistake by saying your original post wasn't directed at anyone, when in reality the response wasn't to your original post, but to the "Heh. You're blowing sunshine for GAT? Heh. Noted."

Care to explain what you meant by that, then?


Sure. GAT and I have a long history of poking at each other. You clearly know this. You've been here long enough. Don't feign ignorance. Just 'cause he and I tweak each other doesn't mean my post to unlikely was anything other than a comment in a thread. I made no mistake; I covered up nothing. I don't give one flip whether you blow sunshine at GAT as well. I'm sure he's flattered. GAT, heh...pretty cool you've become the focal point unintentionally in this. Enjoy!

Cameron, relax and breathe. You'll be okay. Go look for ulterior motives elsewhere.
 
2012-09-25 02:39:36 PM  

GanjSmokr: Is this the thread where people explain how being $16T in debt is actually a good thing?


Elect Mitt Romney and $16T debt will cease to matter, just like deficits didn't matter when george w. bush was president.
 
2012-09-25 02:39:51 PM  
For being one of our closest allies, England really doesn't seem to understand how things work over here.

Protip: a president is not a monarch. He doesn't do or control everything. Things like budgets are created in one of the two halves of the legislative branch, which then go through the other half and then to the president. The president also has no control over things like the price of oil.
 
2012-09-25 02:41:33 PM  
Jeff Randall
The Daily Telegraph's editor at large is the premier commentator on British business and pulls no punches in his sharp analysis.


i14.photobucket.com

I say .... ripping yarn, old bean. Top hole!
 
2012-09-25 02:43:19 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: GanjSmokr: Is this the thread where people explain how being $16T in debt is actually a good thing?

Elect Mitt Romney and $16T debt will cease to matter, just like deficits didn't matter when george w. bush was president.


No thanks. Obamney/Robama is not my pick.

I'm backing the politicians who think it's actually a problem, not the ones who either don't know or don't care what the number is.
 
2012-09-25 02:43:42 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: GanjSmokr: Is this the thread where people explain how being $16T in debt is actually a good thing?

Elect Mitt Romney and $16T debt will cease to matter, just like deficits didn't matter when george w. bush was president.


Do people still say, "Oh snap?"

/Your pimp hand is true.
 
2012-09-25 02:50:32 PM  
The options aren't "it's good" and "it's the worst catastrophe." There's a middle ground.
 
2012-09-25 02:53:09 PM  
Let's take the Very Serious Advice of the Very Serious Party that tripled the debt, then doubled it. No, thank you. We're all set here.
 
2012-09-25 02:56:52 PM  

GAT_00: unlikely: Spad31: Heh. You're blowing sunshine for GAT? Heh. Noted.

I know, I feel dirty too.

But in this case "Both sides are bad" is way too simplistic a response and his link is easily confirmed with minimal research.

So yeah, I'm inclined to discard the Nickelback argument.

Hmm, I didn't know you were one of my detractors. That's disappointing.


I don't think I'm actively anyone's detractor. Well, that's not true, but if I mention any of his alts in a thread the post gets deleted.

"I feel dirty too" is a generic response, I think it's funny. I *always* think it's funny. Right up there with "I know... I'm scared too" as a response to genuine complements.

As for responding to your posts - if you go back through places I've responded to you, you'll find I've gone on the content of the posts. Sometimes your posts are top of the list, sometimes you kind of round the bend into WTF territory, and I don't think I've been shy about saying so.

FWIW, I have you farkied with Cyberluddite, miss diminutive, Weaver, Whidbey, LT, Mordant, TMLO and a few others as "always worth reading".

And lest there be any confusion, I was saying Spad there had the Nickelback argument (both sides are bad) and your post was the one that was based in reality.
 
2012-09-25 02:59:13 PM  

GanjSmokr: Is this the thread where people explain how being $16T in debt is actually a good thing?


It's like this. Do you want a multi-trillion-dollar economic collapse to hit you all at once and cripple your potential for growth, or do you want to spread that out over 10-20 years?
 
2012-09-25 03:00:09 PM  
Shrugged?

GanjSmokr: No thanks. Obamney/Robama is not my pick.

I'm backing the politicians who think it's actually a problem, not the ones who either don't know or don't care what the number is.



Only Gary Johnson is promising a balanced budget right out of the gate.
Of course, that is the budget he would send to Congress. There is no way in hell they would approve a 40% reduction in Federal spending.

We really are screwed.
 
2012-09-25 03:00:26 PM  
Nothing will be done until after the election, and the action has to come from Congress.
 
2012-09-25 03:03:21 PM  

GanjSmokr: Lee Jackson Beauregard: GanjSmokr: Is this the thread where people explain how being $16T in debt is actually a good thing?

Elect Mitt Romney and $16T debt will cease to matter, just like deficits didn't matter when george w. bush was president.

No thanks. Obamney/Robama is not my pick.

I'm backing the politicians who think it's actually a problem, not the ones who either don't know or don't care what the number is.


Because Obama not knowing the exact number off the top of his head at that exact moment means he doesn't care about it.

/both sides bad, vote Republican
 
2012-09-25 03:04:25 PM  

unlikely: FWIW, I have you farkied with Cyberluddite, miss diminutive, Weaver, Whidbey, LT, Mordant, TMLO and a few others as "always worth reading".


Well thanks. And yeah, I honestly don't always bother with putting a whole lot of thought into it, there honestly isn't much of a point a lot of the time. And I don't mind if you think I'm out there sometimes, I'm quite aware I have more than a few unpopular opinions. Doesn't bother me in the slightest, I'm quite used to holding minority opinions, and in most things if people can convince me I'm really out there I will change my mind. I'm not going to change my mind simply because I'm in the minority though, or refrain from speaking my mind on unpopular topics, which gets me probably most of the WTF territory.

And also, for what it's worth, you're in my bright green color so your posts always get noticed, though I notice my 'always worth reading' list has no overlap with yours. That's funny.
 
2012-09-25 03:05:07 PM  

Arkanaut: GanjSmokr: Is this the thread where people explain how being $16T in debt is actually a good thing?

It's like this. Do you want a multi-trillion-dollar economic collapse to hit you all at once and cripple your potential for growth, or do you want to spread that out over 10-20 years?


If I actually believed that it was going to be fixed over the next 10-20 years, I'd take that of course... but I don't think it will be fixed, or even patched, or anything. Nothing that anyone is doing or saying gives me any reason to think I'm wrong here.

I think it's going to continue to get worse and the proverbial can will be kicked down the proverbial road until the economic collapse is unavoidable.

Just MHO, of course and I hope I'm completely wrong.
 
2012-09-25 03:07:30 PM  

unlikely: GAT_00: unlikely: Spad31: Heh. You're blowing sunshine for GAT? Heh. Noted.

I know, I feel dirty too.

But in this case "Both sides are bad" is way too simplistic a response and his link is easily confirmed with minimal research.

So yeah, I'm inclined to discard the Nickelback argument.

Hmm, I didn't know you were one of my detractors. That's disappointing.

I don't think I'm actively anyone's detractor. Well, that's not true, but if I mention any of his alts in a thread the post gets deleted.

"I feel dirty too" is a generic response, I think it's funny. I *always* think it's funny. Right up there with "I know... I'm scared too" as a response to genuine complements.

As for responding to your posts - if you go back through places I've responded to you, you'll find I've gone on the content of the posts. Sometimes your posts are top of the list, sometimes you kind of round the bend into WTF territory, and I don't think I've been shy about saying so.

FWIW, I have you farkied with Cyberluddite, miss diminutive, Weaver, Whidbey, LT, Mordant, TMLO and a few others as "always worth reading".

And lest there be any confusion, I was saying Spad there had the Nickelback argument (both sides are bad) and your post was the one that was based in reality.


Yeah, dude, I got that. All good. Both sdes ARE bad, IMHO, and I stand by that. I'd run all the farkers out of town on a rail. Vote accordingly. Or not.

We've accomplished an epic threadjack.
 
2012-09-25 03:09:31 PM  

PonceAlyosha: A fiscal horror? I think you're overstating it just a slight bit.


This article sounds concerned.
 
2012-09-25 03:12:47 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: GanjSmokr: Lee Jackson Beauregard: GanjSmokr: Is this the thread where people explain how being $16T in debt is actually a good thing?

Elect Mitt Romney and $16T debt will cease to matter, just like deficits didn't matter when george w. bush was president.

No thanks. Obamney/Robama is not my pick.

I'm backing the politicians who think it's actually a problem, not the ones who either don't know or don't care what the number is.

Because Obama not knowing the exact number off the top of his head at that exact moment means he doesn't care about it.

/both sides bad, vote Republican


OR we could stop voting for "bad"...

"Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil." - Garcia, Jerry 

Recently, I really don't get too worked up about this partisan political crap anymore. They are going to do what they do without my permission. Just like they always do and always will. I just don't get upset about it anymore - not worth it.
 
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