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2012-09-26 01:09:22 AM

Flaming Yawn: TheGogmagog: Hero tag? According to FWD:FW:FW: my father in law, It's endless free food if you are poor.

Yup. And prisoners have it even better since they have a guaranteed place to stay and free medical care.


About 20 years ago in Ontario, the Conservative party, lead by Mike Harris (qualification - golf pro) had proposed cutting welfare at one point. A report was ordered by the government to prove that these cuts would be possible without harm to those receiving them. The report, by the provincial government's own agency, stated that the nutritional requirement could not met under the plan. The plan, in one part, called for macaroni, no cheese. Subsequently, the Premiere was pelted with macaroni at public appearances.
 
2012-09-26 03:55:21 AM

eagles95: Gyrfalcon: highendmighty: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

That was my first snarky thought, too (see my comment above). However, there are some people in this country who legitimately cannot work, or work enough, for whatever reason. What would your [final] solution be for them? Yes; the lazy can starve for all I care, but circumstances, man!

Must be nice.

I've applied for nearly 30 jobs in the past month, and got exactly two interviews and no call backs. Does CSB-er have any advice for me, or am I just not doing it "right"?

You aren't bootstrappy enough?


I guess. Right now I have just about enough bootstraps to hang myself.

I might do it, but it would leave my mom on the hook for my student loans, and that's not really fair.
 
2012-09-26 04:58:18 AM

Frederick: Silly Jesus: Bathia_Mapes: Gyrfalcon: unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.

Both are true. The agency I worked for had lots of people on SSA/SSI and they had $30-40 a week for food. You can stretch it a long way buying bulk items, sale items and stuff like day-old bread.

The problem is that you need toiletries, dish soap, paper products, cleaning supplies...those can really eat up your grocery budget.

A couple of other issues would be not being able to buy in bulk because 1) You don't have the necessary fridge/freezer/cupboard space to store all these foodstuffs and 2) Getting all that home from the store. Especially difficult if you don't live near a large chain supermarket that tends to be cheaper than the corner grocery/bodega. If you don't have a car, getting all that stuff home on public transportation can be very difficult.

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So you're one of those "empathy is for the weak" kind of people....

I bet you think you've never been helped in your life.


Nah, I just don't like forced empathy.
 
2012-09-26 05:00:43 AM

kg2095: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

Perhaps you are exceptionally motivated and good at interviews. You're not so much boot strappy as you are lucky. You are lucky to have the talent to enable you to perform well in interviews. You are lucky not to be suffering any depression or anxiety that saps your ability to compete. You are lucky not to suffer from social phobia which makes it damn near impossible to sell yourself in an interview. You seriously don't know how lucky you are compared to many of those you piss on from above.

I applied for at least 10 jobs every 2 weeks for over a year before I found a job. This is despite having a lot of experience as a computer programmer in .NET and SQL Server. I suffer from social phobia and atypical depression. These conditions make it hard to apply for jobs and a nightmare to attend an interview.

It was only once I was put on medication to treat these illnesses that I had a chance in the job market - I was employed in an $80K per year job within 4 weeks of starting on Parnate.

The only reason I could get any treatment when I was unemployed and destitute was because I live in a country that has a government subsidized health care system. Otherwise I'm not sure I would even be alive now.

So think about that next time you heap shiat on someone for not being as talented or just plain lucky as you are. I am of cou ...


I don't categorize my success, or the success of others, as luck. Thanks though.
 
2012-09-26 05:30:57 AM

Silly Jesus: Bathia_Mapes: Gyrfalcon: unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.

Both are true. The agency I worked for had lots of people on SSA/SSI and they had $30-40 a week for food. You can stretch it a long way buying bulk items, sale items and stuff like day-old bread.

The problem is that you need toiletries, dish soap, paper products, cleaning supplies...those can really eat up your grocery budget.

A couple of other issues would be not being able to buy in bulk because 1) You don't have the necessary fridge/freezer/cupboard space to store all these foodstuffs and 2) Getting all that home from the store. Especially difficult if you don't live near a large chain supermarket that tends to be cheaper than the corner grocery/bodega. If you don't have a car, getting all that stuff home on public transportation can be very difficult.

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I for one wasn't asking for empathy, forced or otherwise. I was merely pointing out that buying in bulk isn't an option for everyone due to the circumstances I listed.
 
2012-09-26 07:48:02 AM

Godscrack: Nadie_AZ: They wont even get close.

I keep thinking of people in legislatures who want to do away with many of these programs. How do you get those people to even remotely understand?

They're favorite tactic is to use the image of young, able bodied minorities who just want a free ride. So they use this image to paint all FS recipients with the same brush. All of the focus is on minorities as the abusers.

Most of it is political. And with the election of America's first black (mixed, whatever) president, the wealthy right is furious and they want blood.

So everyone ends up paying for the discrimination. Like elderly white people, disabled people and especially veterans.


^THIS
 
2012-09-26 08:30:24 AM

Silly Jesus: Are all poor children fed, clothed and housed now?


If they live in the United States of America, and they aren't, then we all should be ashamed of ourselves...everyone of us.

/also thanks for the non-answer earlier.
 
2012-09-26 09:19:57 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: So tell, us , before these awful government programs existed, were those private charities adequately addressing the needs of the poor? Were all poor children fed clothed and housed?


Are they now? There are no 100% effective programs It is a question which is a more efficient way to get help to the poor. With government you have only 30 cents of every allocated dollar reaching the intended recipient (civil service empolyees are expensive) while the private sector averages 70-75 cents of every dollar getting to the intended recipient.

citation
 
2012-09-26 09:25:48 AM

gerrymander: Citrate1007: gerrymander: Was this another one of those bullshiat "challenges" that doesn't allow the use of salt and spices already present in the household, or the resale of items purchased with food program money, or any of the other things people on government food assistance programs actually do?

Exactly, because spices and staples are free, plus the black market for goods readily available in grocery stores has a 3000% markup.

/you're a farking idiot

Hey, thanks for the ad hominem, you and the others! Here's the thing: salt and one spice (pepper) ARE free -- or so close as to make no odds. Really. You can go into almost any fast food restaurant and snag a week's worth of either. No need to spend a third of your pauper's budget on a few month's worth of them. Or do you think that poor people are just too principled to do so?

And that's presuming you sprung fully-emerged from the head of some angry god into an adult life of poverty, with no one who would give you a salt/pepper shaker set -- not a mother or aunt, not a local food pantry, not a church program for the poor, not the same damn kitchen you still use after losing your job and requiring food assistance.

Then again, maybe your experience is different from mine. Tell me -- do the people you know/have heard of that have gone on government food programs thrown out all the food and spices from their kitchen when they did?

The rules on the "can you live on $X dollars" challenges I looked in to are ridiculously restrictive, to the point of not not coming anywhere close to what people on government assistance programs do. They are designed to make people fail -- and fail DIFFERENTLY than the people truly receiving government assistance. That makes them bad models, and foolish games. Holding them up as validation for anything but one's own do-gooder affirmation is a waste of time.


If you're advocating theft as necessary to survive on food stamps then I believe the point of the article has been made.
 
2012-09-26 09:56:33 AM

wee: CptnSpldng: Beef heart & liver is well under $2.00/lb but I gotta admit that pork liver is ghastly.

Chicken thighs are pretty cheap, and actually taste like something. Though I ate a lot of game meat back then...


Fixes most anything

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2012-09-26 12:23:05 PM

Citrate1007: If you're advocating theft as necessary to survive on food stamps then I believe the point of the article has been made.


I'm advocating a ready means of subverting the rules of a silly game -- a game which (to the extent of my research) is far more restrictive than what the government requires of food stamp program recipients. It doesn't have to be theft. What makes more sense on a known short duration limited food expense budget?

A) Buying a salt & pepper shaker with a six months' worth of each set from the grocery at $5,
B) Buying an order of fries and grabbing 5-6 packs of the "free to customers" condiments for $1, or
C) Using the salt and pepper you've previously purchased?

Presuming you want to play fair by stupid rules, C) is out but B) isn't.
 
2012-09-26 02:08:49 PM

rewind2846: You have a car? Break out a calculator and figure how much it costs you to keep that car... insurance, registration, payments, gas, repairs, that kind of thing. Now you can reduce the gas costs because you only get to use that car twice a month, just to go grocery shopping. All other costs stay constant.

Now consider that woman in the cab. She obviously doesn't have a car. If she lives within a mile of the store, even with the meter running she may not spend more than $30 - $40 on that trip.every two weeks. That $60 - $80 may get her a month of cheap car insurance, if she had a good driving record and drove a beater with liability only on the policy. Of course that beater will cost her more in maintenance, so any insurance savings will probably be cancelled out.

Depending on how long she keeps the cab driver waiting, she may actually come out ahead on the deal.


You're missing the point. If a person is dirt poor, they should be taking the BUS to the grocery store, or getting a ride from a friend. If they must take a cab, they should take two cabs - one to the store, one home. Then they don't have to pay for the cab to sit there for a minimum of thirty minutes. Or they could walk, if they're close enough. But the waiting cab is the worst of all possible options.
 
2012-09-26 03:12:40 PM

Gyrfalcon: highendmighty: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

That was my first snarky thought, too (see my comment above). However, there are some people in this country who legitimately cannot work, or work enough, for whatever reason. What would your [final] solution be for them? Yes; the lazy can starve for all I care, but circumstances, man!

Must be nice.

I've applied for nearly 30 jobs in the past month, and got exactly two interviews and no call backs. Does CSB-er have any advice for me, or am I just not doing it "right"?


He'll have to give you that advice later; he has to be at work in 26 minutes.
 
2012-09-26 04:19:19 PM

winterbraid: Gyrfalcon: highendmighty: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

That was my first snarky thought, too (see my comment above). However, there are some people in this country who legitimately cannot work, or work enough, for whatever reason. What would your [final] solution be for them? Yes; the lazy can starve for all I care, but circumstances, man!

Must be nice.

I've applied for nearly 30 jobs in the past month, and got exactly two interviews and no call backs. Does CSB-er have any advice for me, or am I just not doing it "right"?

He'll have to give you that advice later; he has to be at work in 26 minutes.


I already went today, actually.
 
2012-09-26 07:32:41 PM

Silly Jesus: winterbraid: Gyrfalcon: highendmighty: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

That was my first snarky thought, too (see my comment above). However, there are some people in this country who legitimately cannot work, or work enough, for whatever reason. What would your [final] solution be for them? Yes; the lazy can starve for all I care, but circumstances, man!

Must be nice.

I've applied for nearly 30 jobs in the past month, and got exactly two interviews and no call backs. Does CSB-er have any advice for me, or am I just not doing it "right"?

He'll have to give you that advice later; he has to be at work in 26 minutes.

I already went today, actually.


No you didn't. You're unemployed.
 
2012-09-26 07:48:56 PM

winterbraid: Silly Jesus: winterbraid: Gyrfalcon: highendmighty: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

That was my first snarky thought, too (see my comment above). However, there are some people in this country who legitimately cannot work, or work enough, for whatever reason. What would your [final] solution be for them? Yes; the lazy can starve for all I care, but circumstances, man!

Must be nice.

I've applied for nearly 30 jobs in the past month, and got exactly two interviews and no call backs. Does CSB-er have any advice for me, or am I just not doing it "right"?

He'll have to give you that advice later; he has to be at work in 26 minutes.

I already went today, actually.

No you didn't. You're unemployed.


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2012-09-26 11:39:46 PM

midigod:

Depending on how long she keeps the cab driver waiting, she may actually come out ahead on the deal.

You're missing the point. If a person is dirt poor, they should be taking the BUS to the grocery store, or getting a ride from a friend. If they must take a cab, they should take two cabs - one to the store, one home. Then they don't have to pay for the cab to sit there for a minimum of thirty minutes. Or they could walk, if they're close enough. But the waiting cab is the worst of all possible options.


Not everyone has friends that will do that for them, and it's a b*tch for people, especially if they are elderly, to carry two weeks worth of groceries on the bus. Just think about how much two gallons of milk weighs, then imagine that you're in your 70's and you have to hike that from the supermarket to the bus stop along with all the other stuff, then on the bus, then however far you have to walk home. Add a handicap like a bad hip, arthritis or some high blood pressure, and even a younger person might have trouble.

People who make judgements like this really need to stop projecting their lives onto others, and assuming that just because they did X then everyone can/should/would do X themselves. I'm fortunate enough to have a car, two degrees and a decent job, but the last thing I'm ever going to assume is that anyone can or should do what I did or how I did it.

If you really want to know what's going on in someone's life, ask, don't assume. This person is making the choice which is probably the most advantageous for her and her situation.
 
2012-09-27 01:16:20 AM

Frederick: Silly Jesus: Bathia_Mapes: Gyrfalcon: unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.

Both are true. The agency I worked for had lots of people on SSA/SSI and they had $30-40 a week for food. You can stretch it a long way buying bulk items, sale items and stuff like day-old bread.

The problem is that you need toiletries, dish soap, paper products, cleaning supplies...those can really eat up your grocery budget.

A couple of other issues would be not being able to buy in bulk because 1) You don't have the necessary fridge/freezer/cupboard space to store all these foodstuffs and 2) Getting all that home from the store. Especially difficult if you don't live near a large chain supermarket that tends to be cheaper than the corner grocery/bodega. If you don't have a car, getting all that stuff home on public transportation can be very difficult.

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So you're one of those "empathy is for the weak" kind of people....

I bet you think you've never been helped in your life.



Didn't post the picture but I did live on that kind of budget with no car and no phone in a 385 sq ft apartment for 5 years. So I do honestly think if you can't figure out how to surmount the "i have no car" problem you're probably not actually iN that position and you're posing it as an intentionally obtuse hypothetical.
 
2012-09-27 01:18:14 AM
'Cuz anyone actually living in that situation figures out how to do things really quickly.
 
2012-09-27 12:22:42 PM

rewind2846: midigod: doloresonthedottedline: can't afford bus fare for trips like that (definitely not cab fare).

When shopping at the local supermarket, the wife and I saw an obviously low-income woman get out of a cab and make them wait while she shopped. When we walked out after doing our shopping, the cab was still there, meter running.

It's hard to know whether people are just godawful stupid, or they simply have no other way. I'm sure it's both at one time or another.

You have a car? Break out a calculator and figure how much it costs you to keep that car... insurance, registration, payments, gas, repairs, that kind of thing. Now you can reduce the gas costs because you only get to use that car twice a month, just to go grocery shopping. All other costs stay constant.

Now consider that woman in the cab. She obviously doesn't have a car. If she lives within a mile of the store, even with the meter running she may not spend more than $30 - $40 on that trip.every two weeks. That $60 - $80 may get her a month of cheap car insurance, if she had a good driving record and drove a beater with liability only on the policy. Of course that beater will cost her more in maintenance, so any insurance savings will probably be cancelled out.

Depending on how long she keeps the cab driver waiting, she may actually come out ahead on the deal.


I cut a car out of my life to save money and because I live close to work. I have had to take taxis for groceries.

I don't understand why she had the guy wait with the meter running, a grocery store can call a taxi for you (at least in my area).
 
2012-09-27 12:24:39 PM

unlikely: Didn't post the picture but I did live on that kind of budget with no car and no phone in a 385 sq ft apartment for 5 years. So I do honestly think if you can't figure out how to surmount the "i have no car" problem you're probably not actually iN that position and you're posing it as an intentionally obtuse hypothetical.


Yeah, read rewind2846's response to midigod above. Stop assuming that because YOU were able to succeed in a given situation that everyone else can do the same if they just try hard enough. For example, if I were to lose my car or somehow become unable to drive, I wouldn't have any options. There is no public transportation where I live, the closest friends share one vehicle between them and both work full time (and live 15 miles from me), and the closest grocery store to me is 8 miles away on winding roads with asshole drivers and no shoulder to walk on. I could try to move to a place in town, but everybody out here wants first, last, and deposit, and rent is high, so even a 300 sq ft studio shiathole would mean $2000+ to move in (and that wouldn't even include the cost of the move itself...remember, no car). But by all means, tell us how you'd totally figure something out.
 
2012-09-27 12:40:18 PM

Teufelaffe: But by all means, tell us how you'd totally figure something out.


So you're saying you have a car and haven't had to try to figure out other options, and if your car died tomorrow you'd just be forced to... what? Start eating exclusively at restaurants?
 
2012-09-27 04:16:33 PM

rewind2846: People who make judgements like this really need to stop projecting their lives onto others,


You need to stop thinking you know me based on someone else who obviously hurt you.

I didn't say she had to use the bus. I only pointed out that there were many options other than the single most expensive option, including using two cabs, which would have been perfectly applicable in her situation.

Read shortymac for the right answer, the same one I suggested.

Teufelaffe: Stop assuming that because YOU were able to succeed in a given situation that everyone else can do the same if they just try hard enough. For example, ....But by all means, tell us how you'd totally figure something out.


I figured it out for you, and so did shortymac. And I have been in that exact situation, so I'm perfectly capable of speaking from experience. And yet, you still didn't address the solution that she obviously had in her own circumstance. Stop assuming you're so righteous and caring in thinking there are no options, and look at the actual, no-penalty solution proposed. 

But certainly, I'm the judgmental one for proposing several solutions including at least one that requires no situational modification, and you both are so very righteous in exclaiming that there's never a better way to do something.
 
2012-09-27 04:55:06 PM

midigod: Teufelaffe: Stop assuming that because YOU were able to succeed in a given situation that everyone else can do the same if they just try hard enough. For example, ....But by all means, tell us how you'd totally figure something out.

I figured it out for you, and so did shortymac. And I have been in that exact situation, so I'm perfectly capable of speaking from experience. And yet, you still didn't address the solution that she obviously had in her own circumstance. Stop assuming you're so righteous and caring in thinking there are no options, and look at the actual, no-penalty solution proposed. 

But certainly, I'm the judgmental one for proposing several solutions including at least one that requires no situational modification, and you both are so very righteous in exclaiming that there's never a better way to do something.


You're missing the point. Your solution might have been tenable, it might not have been, we don't know because we don't know the specifics of the situation. This is not "exclaiming that there's never a better way to do something", this is "hey, you don't know all the details, so perhaps you should stop acting like you have the answer." Sure, maybe she could have taken two cabs. Or maybe the cabbie was her grandson and the ride was gratis. Or maybe she lives in an assisted living facility that has a taxi budget, but limits the total number of taxi rides that residents can take in a week/month (my mom lives in such a place). There are any number of reasons that what she was doing was the best solution for her, so stop being an arrogant prick and assuming that you know better when you don't have all the facts.
 
2012-09-27 06:26:27 PM

Teufelaffe: Or maybe the cabbie was her grandson and the ride was gratis. Or maybe she lives in an assisted living facility that has a taxi budget, but limits the total number of taxi rides that residents can take in a week/month (my mom lives in such a place). There are any number of reasons that what she was doing was the best solution for her, so stop being an arrogant prick and assuming that you know better when you don't have all the facts.


Wow, that's a stretch. I had a feeling you would try to deflect through any means, no matter how remote. Maybe the cabbie was an alien who was trying to have sex with her. I guess I didn't think of that either. She wasn't elderly, and required no assistance. Sorry I neglected to mention that she was able-bodied, I really didn't think that was necessary, given the context. Since I was there, it turns out I have more facts than you do. You've proven that you are going to remain deliberately obtuse.
 
2012-09-27 06:45:11 PM

midigod: Teufelaffe: Or maybe the cabbie was her grandson and the ride was gratis. Or maybe she lives in an assisted living facility that has a taxi budget, but limits the total number of taxi rides that residents can take in a week/month (my mom lives in such a place). There are any number of reasons that what she was doing was the best solution for her, so stop being an arrogant prick and assuming that you know better when you don't have all the facts.

Wow, that's a stretch. I had a feeling you would try to deflect through any means, no matter how remote. Maybe the cabbie was an alien who was trying to have sex with her. I guess I didn't think of that either. She wasn't elderly, and required no assistance. Sorry I neglected to mention that she was able-bodied, I really didn't think that was necessary, given the context. Since I was there, it turns out I have more facts than you do. You've proven that you are going to remain deliberately obtuse.


I give one scenario that is easily within the realm of possibility (cabbie is a relative) and one that I've experienced personally and that's a "stretch"? Stop thinking you have all the f*ucking answers for situations you don't have all the facts about. Cripes, it's like talking to a dammed teenager...you don't know everything, you don't have all the answers, your "solutions" may not work for everyone, and you're not better than other people just because you can make assumptions about their life situation.

Tell you what, next time you see something like that and start to assume shiat, just punch yourself in the balls. It will be just as useful as your assumptions about other people's lives, and if you do it enough you'll either learn to stop making those assumptions or you'll eliminate your ability to breed. Either way, the world will become a better place.
 
2012-09-28 12:08:23 PM

rewind2846: I alone am best:
People think the only way you can eat is to go to the store and buy it. Food from the store usually sucks anyway.

Yeh... I can just see the legions of poor people with their fishing poles in the east river in new york... or off the Jersey shore... or maybe off the piers in LA or the cliffs in Oceanside in San Diego after the 100th toxic sewage spill of the year... ever see that three-eyed fish on the Simpsons that lives in the river by the nuke plant? There's worse stuff out there, if there's any of it that's still alive. And you do NOT want to eat it

What is it with these morans and their "I do it, so everyone can do it!" spew?
Here's a hint - everyone doesn't live where you live. Everyone can't do what you do. Everyone isn't you.


THIS JUST IN ALL POOR PEOPLE ARE HELPLESS!!!!

If you would have bothered to read the thread I had stated that my situation isn't the same as everyone, but don't let that stop you. I am from Michigan. A large portion of poor people in my state have easy access to fishing, hunting and making their own gardens.

If the people who could do that stuff would do it then it would leave more for those who cant which was also stated in a previous post.

Additionally you can eat fish from the east river in NYC.

It may only be advised to eat up to 5 meals a month but that is still almost a week or supplementing your food budget. Quit making excuses.
 
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