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(My Fox Phoenix)   Phoenix mayor lives off food stamp budget for a week, finds out his actions have consequences to people other than him. "Occasionally I'd have a cup of coffee and skip a meal in order to make it through"   (myfoxphoenix.com) divider line 227
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2012-09-25 02:06:46 PM
I have a modest proposal. Why don't we simply find ways to temporarily or permanently disable the parts of the brain that tell poor people that they're hungry? It might cost more initially but the savings would pay off over the long run, and think of how much misery we'd be sparing them.
 
2012-09-25 02:06:47 PM

Godscrack: Yeah, nice clothes mayor. I bet he drove to to Basha's in his SUV.

He should try taking a bus, or walking to the store.

What? No Basha's near your house?

Now go to the stores that are closest to you, and take what you get.

Aww, they don;t have 'organic' or healthier versions of the food you like. Tough shiat.

What? who will watch the kids? Take them with you.

What? It's a bad neighborhood?

What? you're disabled and can't get to a store?

What? What? What?


Last time I was in a Basha's, that $29 would have gotten me a half package of ramen and the stink eye from the cashier. I think the only other "grocery" store in AZ that was more expensive than Basha's was AJ's. Of course, this was about 10 years ago, so since then they may have gotten their heads out of their asses and realized that charging 1 1/2 to 2 times more than Frys or Safeway isn't going to work in a bad economy.
 
2012-09-25 02:07:08 PM

Kuta: Number 2: You have the right to food money
Providing of course you
Don't mind a little
Humiliation, investigation
And if you cross your fingers
Rehabilitation!



know your rights.

You have the right
 
2012-09-25 02:07:58 PM

Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB


That was my first snarky thought, too (see my comment above). However, there are some people in this country who legitimately cannot work, or work enough, for whatever reason. What would your [final] solution be for them? Yes; the lazy can starve for all I care, but circumstances, man!
 
2012-09-25 02:08:14 PM
It sucks, I've been there trying to feed a family of four, but I've kept many of my frugal ways from when I was on food stamps.

I spent just $67 for an entire weeks worth of food for myself, my wife, and a 8 and 6 year old.

Granted we have a huge garden, bake our sweets instead of buying them, and buy beans and rice and flour in bulk, but I still feel kick ass when I can keep my food bill low.
 
2012-09-25 02:09:39 PM

Pud: Now if we could only convince a few Congress Critters to live off of Social Security and Medicaid alone for a year we might actually get somewhere.


How about we force them to give up insurance for a decade. When one of them gets needs a triple bypass and has to either not have it treated or pony up a few hundred thousand dollars, perhaps they'll gain some perspective.
 
2012-09-25 02:09:53 PM
Heh... Feeding a family of three on 60 bucks a week. No food stamps.

Aldi Supermarkets for the win!
 
2012-09-25 02:11:51 PM

Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB


But I thought President Fart was keeping everyone from getting jobs? What happened to all of that?

You're way off message here.
 
2012-09-25 02:11:58 PM

Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB



Jesus Saves.


/Try the veal
 
2012-09-25 02:12:15 PM

unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.


There are other things. I am not on food stamps but I spend less than 200 dollars a month on food. I have a garden, I can things. The other day I went fishing and caught about 10 pounds of crappie in two hours total cost to me? 3 dollars for the minnows 12 bucks for a license for the entire year and a few dollars in gas saved me 200 dollars at the store.

People think the only way you can eat is to go to the store and buy it. Food from the store usually sucks anyway.
 
2012-09-25 02:13:16 PM

highendmighty: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

That was my first snarky thought, too (see my comment above). However, there are some people in this country who legitimately cannot work, or work enough, for whatever reason. What would your [final] solution be for them? Yes; the lazy can starve for all I care, but circumstances, man!


Well I'm sort of leaning toward social Darwinism for the lazy ones. The truly disabled and the children we should take care of as a society. I don't think that they represent the majority of the parasites though.
 
2012-09-25 02:13:44 PM

mrexcess: I have a modest proposal. Why don't we simply find ways to temporarily or permanently disable the parts of the brain that tell poor people that they're hungry? It might cost more initially but the savings would pay off over the long run, and think of how much misery we'd be sparing them.


Wouldn't it be easier to disable the "I've got mine, fark you" part of politicians' brains? There's a lot fewer politicians than poor people, so the initial cost would be lower, and once they stopped being power-hungry sociopaths, they might actually do some good.
 
2012-09-25 02:14:25 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

But I thought President Fart was keeping everyone from getting jobs? What happened to all of that?

You're way off message here.


No, he's just handing out Obama bucks. It's easier to walk to the mail box than it is to ride the bus to a job.
 
2012-09-25 02:14:55 PM
Am I the only one who thought he came off as a callous douche who only reluctantly acknowledged any difficulty? His biggest acknowledgement was:


"The goal of the challenge was to make elected leaders more understanding when making decisions that affect people living in difficult circumstances.

'I think it worked in that regard, I think it will make me a better policy maker," Mayor Stanton said.'"


Which to me reads like "yeah yeah, whatever, I couldn't eat junk food, boohoo... but yes, I'm totally a better mayor for it. Vote for Greg Stanton: The People's Mayor!"
 
2012-09-25 02:15:19 PM

Kibbler: Some nitwit on Fark once gave me a long spiel about he made minimum wage, and supported his family, and put himself through school, and didn't take out any school loans, and didn't accept any government aid of any kind, and what's more, he liked it, it made him feel proud and happy to do it.

One of his asinine points was that he could eat beans and rice two meals a day every day, with nothing else, and he was so super-smart that he knew where to buy them for like, 75 cents a truckload.

That pretty much ended any desire to debate economics with people here; someone will always step forward to claim the mantle of Bootstrappy the Great.


Here he is.
 
2012-09-25 02:15:31 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB


Jesus Saves.


/Try the veal


DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB


Jesus Saves.


/Try the veal


I sees what you did there.

+1 internets
 
2012-09-25 02:18:30 PM

Silly Jesus: highendmighty: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

That was my first snarky thought, too (see my comment above). However, there are some people in this country who legitimately cannot work, or work enough, for whatever reason. What would your [final] solution be for them? Yes; the lazy can starve for all I care, but circumstances, man!

Well I'm sort of leaning toward social Darwinism for the lazy ones. The truly disabled and the children we should take care of as a society. I don't think that they represent the majority of the parasites though.


If you're so damn bootstrappy and you work so many damn jobs how come you're on this board trolling ALL THE DAMN TIME?? When do you actually DO this work you brag about so often?
 
2012-09-25 02:18:45 PM

I alone am best: unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.

There are other things. I am not on food stamps but I spend less than 200 dollars a month on food. I have a garden, I can things. The other day I went fishing and caught about 10 pounds of crappie in two hours total cost to me? 3 dollars for the minnows 12 bucks for a license for the entire year and a few dollars in gas saved me 200 dollars at the store.

People think the only way you can eat is to go to the store and buy it. Food from the store usually sucks anyway.


My apartment has no dirt other than what I buy to put in a pot. I tried a container garden but I live in Savannah and I'd have to water them several times a day (brutal sun and heat) and my porch is on a different story than any source of water.

I don't have a car because I can't legally drive, and live downtown. So I can't get to a place to fish without spending so much it wouldn't really save anything.

I live cheap most of the time but have multiple medical bills and have to keep fairly regular doctors appointments for my medications. I'm not on food stamps, because my parents help me, but seriously. Yes, there are some great ways to stretch a budget. No, that doesn't mean those tricks are available for everyone.

/also, fishing would probably be ill advised with cataplexy
 
2012-09-25 02:18:59 PM
I would love to have $29 a week for food. Right now I'm at $18-$20. (It was $16/ week before the Sentry up the street was replaced by a Piggly-Wiggly.)

It's really not that difficult if you live in a city. No meat and check sales fliers. Sure I have to walk 35 minutes to get day-old loaves of bread, but I'm not cutting into my savings much.

I also go shopping to further away stores after job interviews as long as I have a bus transfer.
 
2012-09-25 02:22:53 PM

Teufelaffe: mrexcess: I have a modest proposal. Why don't we simply find ways to temporarily or permanently disable the parts of the brain that tell poor people that they're hungry? It might cost more initially but the savings would pay off over the long run, and think of how much misery we'd be sparing them.

Wouldn't it be easier to disable the "I've got mine, fark you" part of politicians' brains? There's a lot fewer politicians than poor people, so the initial cost would be lower, and once they stopped being power-hungry sociopaths, they might actually do some good.


Adderall for everyone!

I don't think they make drugs that treat sociopathy yet. Maybe ecstasy?
 
2012-09-25 02:23:05 PM
Teufelaffe
Wouldn't it be easier to disable the "I've got mine, fark you" part of politicians' brains?

Politicians would never go along with this. The poor, on the other hand, don't have much choice. What are they going to do, hire lawyers?

There's a lot fewer politicians than poor people, so the initial cost would be lower, and once they stopped being power-hungry sociopaths, they might actually do some good.

Why the either/or? I think it's an equally sensible approach in either case. And while we're at it, can we do something about those kids and their saggy pants? Just a little zip zap here and there and the streets could be so much cleaner.
 
2012-09-25 02:23:58 PM

TheGogmagog: Hero tag? According to FWD:FW:FW: my father in law, It's endless free food if you are poor.


Yup. And prisoners have it even better since they have a guaranteed place to stay and free medical care.
 
2012-09-25 02:24:57 PM

doloresonthedottedline: can't afford bus fare for trips like that (definitely not cab fare).


When shopping at the local supermarket, the wife and I saw an obviously low-income woman get out of a cab and make them wait while she shopped. When we walked out after doing our shopping, the cab was still there, meter running.

It's hard to know whether people are just godawful stupid, or they simply have no other way. I'm sure it's both at one time or another.
 
2012-09-25 02:27:58 PM
When I was in school and could only work a few shifts a week I used to budget $90 a month for groceries and about $30 a month for take-out/restaurants. It farking sucked. The extra budget for take-out wasn't the smartest way to spend money, but it allowed me to go out with friends and for a few nights a month not feel like I was as strapped for cash as I was. But the habits of cheap eating will stick with you for a long time. I still only buy things that are on sale, eat breakfast and lunch from out-of-date items at work and get most of my groceries at Aldi.

I will never look down on anyone for using food stamps. I've been there, and I don't know their circumstances.
 
2012-09-25 02:28:08 PM

doloresonthedottedline: I alone am best: unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.

There are other things. I am not on food stamps but I spend less than 200 dollars a month on food. I have a garden, I can things. The other day I went fishing and caught about 10 pounds of crappie in two hours total cost to me? 3 dollars for the minnows 12 bucks for a license for the entire year and a few dollars in gas saved me 200 dollars at the store.

People think the only way you can eat is to go to the store and buy it. Food from the store usually sucks anyway.

My apartment has no dirt other than what I buy to put in a pot. I tried a container garden but I live in Savannah and I'd have to water them several times a day (brutal sun and heat) and my porch is on a different story than any source of water.

I don't have a car because I can't legally drive, and live downtown. So I can't get to a place to fish without spending so much it wouldn't really save anything.

I live cheap most of the time but have multiple medical bills and have to keep fairly regular doctors appointments for my medications. I'm not on food stamps, because my parents help me, but seriously. Yes, there are some great ways to stretch a budget. No, that doesn't mean those tricks a ...


I understand that my direct situation does not apply to everyone. If the people that could do something did it there would be more to go around for those who do actually need more.
 
2012-09-25 02:28:13 PM
TIL that ramen is covered by food stamps.
 
2012-09-25 02:29:46 PM

Silly Jesus: From what I've seen, most of the moochers and parasites could stand to lose a few pounds anyway.


I don't think Anne Romney is fat.
 
2012-09-25 02:31:25 PM

Silly Jesus: HotWingConspiracy: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

But I thought President Fart was keeping everyone from getting jobs? What happened to all of that?

You're way off message here.

No, he's just handing out Obama bucks. It's easier to walk to the mail box than it is to ride the bus to a job.


I don't even know what the fark that means.
 
2012-09-25 02:32:37 PM

I alone am best: doloresonthedottedline: unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.

Except to buy in bulk, you have to have a way to get it home. I can't legally drive because I have narcolepsy. I walk to the store. I cannot carry a 50 lb bag of rice home walking, and most of the time I can't afford bus fare for trips like that (definitely not cab fare).

They invented these things back in the day. They are called wagons. Check craigslist.


Assuming you mean the rolly carts, I live in the historic district of Savannah. I'd rather live on ramen than try to roll a cart on the brick streets and sidewalks. I twist my ankle several times a week, last thing I need is a cart with all my groceries bouncing all over, breaking shiat and spilling into the road.

If you mean a horse and buggy, I don't have access to stables.

If you mean a red wagon, I.. Hmm. I'm not sure how that would work in Kroger. Or on the bricks. Or on all the things I'd have to lift it over to get it inside the gate at my apartment and get it either in and out of the basement storage or up to the third story where my kitchen is
 
2012-09-25 02:34:08 PM

doloresonthedottedline: Except to buy in bulk, you have to have a way to get it home. I can't legally drive because I have narcolepsy. I walk to the store. I cannot carry a 50 lb bag of rice home walking, and most of the time I can't afford bus fare for trips like that (definitely not cab fare).


Yeah, when I was living on that budget I didn't have a car either. Fortunately I had friends who would take me places if I asked nicely.

Gyrfalcon: The problem is that you need toiletries, dish soap, paper products, cleaning supplies...those can really eat up your grocery budget.


Food stamps won't cover these items.

Invisible Dynamite Monkey: You also have to be able to afford to buy in bulk each week. Sure this week chicken thighs are on sale and you should stock up. But you need to still buy everything else you need to make it through the week. Do you buy extra cheap chicken at the expense of skipping breakfast for a week? You have to plan really well if you want to purchase in bulk and navigating the sales at your local supermarket.


A) Plan ahead, and B) $50 a month on ground beef or chicken breasts doesn't mean you have to buy bulk. That's a lot of beef or chicken. Yeah you're going to have to do some meals without meat, but seriously, I wasn't laying out how to eat like a king on $200, I was pointing out that one person can survive on that amount.

Honestly eating rice and frozen veggies two meals a day would drive me insane. But if you're looking at survival sustenance, it works.
 
2012-09-25 02:34:53 PM

wee: I used to live on $35/week for food. It sucks, but it can be done. You'll wind up hating beans and rice, though. And you'll also discover every possible way to cheaply cook potatoes. I think the only "dish" I still eat from those days is peas tossed in some hot mustard. Add in a half a bacon strip crumbled up, it's pretty a good snack.

I didn't eat cheese for like three years. And forget things like beef (except for a pot roast once in a while) or potato chips. A $5 deli chicken can really go a long way if you're creative. If you do it right, all you have left over is a pile of boiled bones...


Some of my college friends used to eat like this, and could manage $32/week, but I would never want to have to eat like they did every day. They allowed themselves generic cereal with milk for breakfast and lunch, and for dinner, alternated between noodles with beans and noodles with bulk cheese for dinner. As a splurge, on the weekend, they'd buy the cheapest cut of beef in the grocery store. Obviously, they could've done cheaper by cutting that luxury, but I can understand why they didn't, especially since the entire exercise was just a point of pride in living cheaply rather than out of necessity.
 
2012-09-25 02:39:35 PM
I don't recall when the then/than thing became such a common error.

Than again, I was younger than, I think, or maybe its just...whatever
 
2012-09-25 02:42:16 PM

wee: I used to live on $35/week for food. It sucks, but it can be done. You'll wind up hating beans and rice, though. And you'll also discover every possible way to cheaply cook potatoes. I think the only "dish" I still eat from those days is peas tossed in some hot mustard. Add in a half a bacon strip crumbled up, it's pretty a good snack.

I didn't eat cheese for like three years. And forget things like beef (except for a pot roast once in a while) or potato chips. A $5 deli chicken can really go a long way if you're creative. If you do it right, all you have left over is a pile of boiled bones...


Yep, well, you covered about everything (add lentils) so...

/down to the "pile of boiled bones"
//we grow most of our own veggies during the summer now... it's a nice change of pace to completely fill up on fresh tomatoes and eggplant. I did make beans and rice last week, but wish fresh homegrown tomato and peppers and onion and not eating it out of necessity but because I wanted to... it was actually awesome
 
2012-09-25 02:45:23 PM

doloresonthedottedline: My apartment has no dirt other than what I buy to put in a pot. I tried a container garden but I live in Savannah and I'd have to water them several times a day (brutal sun and heat) and my porch is on a different story than any source of water.

I don't have a car because I can't legally drive, and live downtown. So I can't get to a place to fish without spending so much it wouldn't really save anything.

I live cheap most of the time but have multiple medical bills and have to keep fairly regular doctors appointments for my medications. I'm not on food stamps, because my parents help me, but seriously. Yes, there are some great ways to stretch a budget. No, that doesn't mean those tricks are available for everyone.



Not to mention that I alone am best neglected to include the cost of his cooler, fishing pole and cleaning knife and original garden set-up costs in his calculations.
 
2012-09-25 02:45:42 PM

doloresonthedottedline:
If you mean a red wagon, I.. Hmm. I'm not sure how that would work in Kroger. Or on the bricks. Or on all the things I'd have to lift it over to get it inside the gate at my apartment and get it either in and out of the basement storage or up to the third story where my kitchen is


It might be a little bit of extra work but if your looking at a little bit of extra work or being hungry a little bit of extra work will look pretty good.

No store is going to stop you from bring in a wagon. If you can fit into the gate you can fit the wagon in. They don't weigh that much when they are empty it would be easy to take it from the basement to the first floor or vice versa.

It sounds to me like the area you live in is not condusive to your lifestyle.
 
2012-09-25 02:47:20 PM

gerrymander: Was this another one of those bullshiat "challenges" that doesn't allow the use of salt and spices already present in the household, or the resale of items purchased with food program money, or any of the other things people on government food assistance programs actually do?


Well, he's not including the cell phones, Xboxes and rims that Fark informs me are attached to every poor person at all times either.
 
2012-09-25 02:55:09 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: You need to talk to your realtor, buddy. I just got a nice 3 bedroom, 3 1/2 bath, garlic salt and Season All town house for under $200k. And its only 10 minutes from Metro.


Actually my house is having problems with Brazilian Pepper Trees (invasive species in Florida), my house does indeed come with spices. If you like pink peppercorns.

/Brazilian pepper trees. Sounds like a lot! How many zeros in a Brazilian?
//also comes with Jerusalem Cherries and Angel's Trumpet, if you want to end it all quickly.
 
xcv
2012-09-25 02:56:05 PM

doloresonthedottedline: I alone am best: doloresonthedottedline: unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.

Except to buy in bulk, you have to have a way to get it home. I can't legally drive because I have narcolepsy. I walk to the store. I cannot carry a 50 lb bag of rice home walking, and most of the time I can't afford bus fare for trips like that (definitely not cab fare).

They invented these things back in the day. They are called wagons. Check craigslist.

Assuming you mean the rolly carts, I live in the historic district of Savannah. I'd rather live on ramen than try to roll a cart on the brick streets and sidewalks. I twist my ankle several times a week, last thing I need is a cart with all my groceries bouncing all over, breaking shiat and spilling into the road.

If you mean a horse and buggy, I don't have access to stables.

If you mean a red wagon, I.. Hmm. I'm not sure how that would work in Kroger. Or on the bricks. Or on all the things I'd have to lift it over to get it inside the gate at my apartment and get it either in and out of the basement storage or up to the third story where my kitchen is


Lazy parasite, why haven't you asked your parents for money to buy ownership of a successful business already?
 
2012-09-25 02:56:20 PM

Nadie_AZ:

I keep thinking of people in legislatures who want to do away with many of these programs. How do you get those people to even remotely understand?


Because the programs are not working but the left is against reforming them even trying new ones. The only thing the left can argue is that we need to throw more money at them:

In FY 2011, federal spending on means-tested welfare, plus state contributions to federal programs, reached approx. $940 billion. The federal share will come to around $695 billion, or 74 percent, while state spending will be around $250 billion, or 26 percent.

Combined federal and state means-tested welfare is now the second-largest category of overall government spending in the nation. It is exceeded only by the combined cost of Social Security and Medicare. Welfare spending is greater than the cost of public education and is greater than spending on national defense.

There are 69 means-tested programs operated by the federal government provide a wide variety of benefits. They include:

•12 programs providing food aid;

•10 housing assistance programs;

•10 programs funding social services;

•9 educational assistance programs;

•8 programs providing cash assistance;

•8 vocational training programs;

•7 medical assistance programs;

•3 energy and utility assistance programs; and,

•2 child care and child development programs.

Social Security, Medicare, veterans programs, unemployment insurance, and workmen's compensation are not considered means-tested aid and are not included in this list

Only 70 cents of each dollar budgeted for government assistance goes not to the poor, but to the members of the welfare bureaucracy and others serving the poor.

In FY 2011, total means-tested spending going to families with children was about $470 billion. If this sum were divided equally among the lowest-income one-third of families with children (around 14 million families), the result would be around $33,000 per low-income family with children. 

Link

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2012-09-25 02:56:32 PM

YouAreItNoTagBacks: THIS. Along with better funding, more education (for both recipients and the general public), access to healthy food, etc....



All the booths at my neighborhood farmer's market now accept EBT cards. They implemented it this summer. Thought that was awesome, especially since the area is on the edge of another poor neighborhood that has few options in terms of healthy food.
 
2012-09-25 03:05:12 PM

I alone am best: doloresonthedottedline:
If you mean a red wagon, I.. Hmm. I'm not sure how that would work in Kroger. Or on the bricks. Or on all the things I'd have to lift it over to get it inside the gate at my apartment and get it either in and out of the basement storage or up to the third story where my kitchen is

It might be a little bit of extra work but if your looking at a little bit of extra work or being hungry a little bit of extra work will look pretty good.

No store is going to stop you from bring in a wagon. If you can fit into the gate you can fit the wagon in. They don't weigh that much when they are empty it would be easy to take it from the basement to the first floor or vice versa.

It sounds to me like the area you live in is not condusive to your lifestyle.


I moved here from rural Kentucky.
I can walk to a grocery store, a pharmacy, and a few cheap take-out places.
I have a bus system.
The weather is great for walking everywhere.
The area I live is very low crime and safe for walking and people are incredibly helpful and polite, I've had tons of offers to help carry my groceries when people saw me struggling or to help me home when I had cataplexy in public.

You'd have a hard time finding a better place for me to live.

But I have to take Adderall which kills my appetite and narcolepsy gives me a low metabolism, so I tend to stretch my budget by just eating way less, and getting really cheap stuff from the Kroger bakery section when it marked down about to go back, or the cheap bags of candy, to get enough calories. And take vitamins.
 
2012-09-25 03:06:42 PM

Cotton Rinkenbolts: YouAreItNoTagBacks: THIS. Along with better funding, more education (for both recipients and the general public), access to healthy food, etc....


All the booths at my neighborhood farmer's market now accept EBT cards. They implemented it this summer. Thought that was awesome, especially since the area is on the edge of another poor neighborhood that has few options in terms of healthy food.


Same here.... It's a great move. We've also got folks like this doing amazing work (albeit on a small scale).
 
2012-09-25 03:08:06 PM

xcv: doloresonthedottedline: I alone am best: doloresonthedottedline: unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.

Except to buy in bulk, you have to have a way to get it home. I can't legally drive because I have narcolepsy. I walk to the store. I cannot carry a 50 lb bag of rice home walking, and most of the time I can't afford bus fare for trips like that (definitely not cab fare).

They invented these things back in the day. They are called wagons. Check craigslist.

Assuming you mean the rolly carts, I live in the historic district of Savannah. I'd rather live on ramen than try to roll a cart on the brick streets and sidewalks. I twist my ankle several times a week, last thing I need is a cart with all my groceries bouncing all over, breaking shiat and spilling into the road.

If you mean a horse and buggy, I don't have access to stables.

If you mean a red wagon, I.. Hmm. I'm not sure how that would work in Kroger. Or on the bricks. Or on all the things I'd have to lift it over to get it inside the gate at my apartment and get it either in and out of the basement storage or up to the third story where my kitchen is

Lazy parasite, why haven't you asked your parents for money to buy ownership of a successful busines ...


The funny thing is, I'm actually working on starting a business. Because just about any other job would be very difficult with narcolepsy. I'm still very good at a lot of things, but most jobs would be incredibly difficult if not impossible. Managing a business is the one thing I'm most qualified for, but you have to work up to it.

So I'm working on a business plan for a restaurant back home. If it works, I have a life I can be proud if and work hard at. If it fails, my only other real option is bankruptcy and disability anyway, so fark it. Nothin to lose!
 
2012-09-25 03:09:30 PM

unlikely: Baby Face Fister: I was on food stamps and was getting $200 a month and unless you do a lot of shopping at the Dollar Store you wont make it for a month.

$200 a month is extremely possible. It's just not luxury.

A 50 pound bag of rice costs $44 at the asian food market here. A 12 ounce bag of frozen vegetables is $1 at the grocery store. 60 bags of veggies and a bag of rice per month and you've cracked $110 plus tax. And I seriously doubt you can eat 50 lbs of rice in a month.

Add in a couple cartons of milk, a pound of butter, and you're at $125. Get cereal to go with the milk @$4 a box, figure six boxes for a month, you're at $150. That should cover basic sustenance for a month. Add in $3/lb ground beef or a few chicken breasts for protein and you're still well below your $200 mark.


This is so farking farked up. I literally did most of what you described above for more than a year when I was first starting out and never did it occur to me that I was roughing it.

My food budget was $120 per month and I know because I kept track of all my finances. And at the time I was full-time mechanical engineer living by myself and earning a good salary and I thought $120 was plenty for one person per month unless they live in some place that's a food desert. Oh, and about affording luxuries, I was able to afford all sorts of food luxuries like using olive oil and sesame oil instead of cheap vegetable oil. I was able to buy Jasmine rice instead of cheap rice. I was able to buy breakfast luxuries like milk and boxed cereal such as Total Raisin Bran instead of only oatmeal and grits and toast. I was able to supplement my meals with seasonal fresh fruits and vegetables. Home made deserts like red bean pudding or roasted bananas. Vitamins. All doable. All of that and more on a budget of $120 bucks a month with a standard deviation of $25. Under the normal food access circumstances that the majority of Americans live under, a person struggling to feed themselves with a whole $200 per month would have to be making a lot of unthrifty mistakes.  Mistakes like wasting their money on cups of ramen noodles and other cheap preprocessed food thinking that they're saving money.
 
2012-09-25 03:15:05 PM
doloresonthedottedline: You should try dog food, I hear that it's way cheaper. It's also perfectly fit for human consumption, the FDA certifies it as such. Not tasty, but then again that's just a luxury not a necessity.
 
2012-09-25 03:20:34 PM

gerrymander: Was this another one of those bullshiat "challenges" that doesn't allow the use of salt and spices already present in the household, or the resale of items purchased with food program money, or any of the other things people on government food assistance programs actually do?


How dare poor people use salt! Those entitled pricks!
 
2012-09-25 03:22:29 PM

SN1987a goes boom: gerrymander: Was this another one of those bullshiat "challenges" that doesn't allow the use of salt and spices already present in the household, or the resale of items purchased with food program money, or any of the other things people on government food assistance programs actually do?

How dare poor people use salt! Those entitled pricks!


According to Fox News 99% of "poor" households have salt and pepper.
 
2012-09-25 03:23:40 PM

hasty ambush: Because the programs are not working but the left is against reforming them even trying new ones. The only thing the left can argue is that we need to throw more money at them:


The Right isn't proposing anything to make these programs more efficient or effective. They propose nothing more than dramatic budget cuts. They aren't proposing new programs to assist. They'd rather insult those who must rely on them.
 
2012-09-25 03:30:58 PM

oldass31: My food budget was $120 per month and I know because I kept track of all my finances. And at the time I was full-time mechanical engineer living by myself and earning a good salary and I thought $120 was plenty for one person per month unless they live in some place that's a food desert. Oh, and about affording luxuries, I was able to afford all sorts of food luxuries like using olive oil and sesame oil instead of cheap vegetable oil. I was able to buy Jasmine rice instead of cheap rice. I was able to buy breakfast luxuries like milk and boxed cereal such as Total Raisin Bran instead of only oatmeal and grits and toast. I was able to supplement my meals with seasonal fresh fruits and vegetables. Home made deserts like red bean pudding or roasted bananas. Vitamins. All doable. All of that and more on a budget of $120 bucks a month with a standard deviation of $25. Under the normal food access circumstances that the majority of Americans live under, a person struggling to feed themselves with a whole $200 per month would have to be making a lot of unthrifty mistakes. Mistakes like wasting their money on cups of ramen noodles and other cheap preprocessed food thinking that they're saving money.



Pretty much this.   I'm not sure why my food budget is right now because I'm dealing with some financial issues where my income is completely random from my business.
 
But just off the top of my head... we made pasta last night, sauce made from scratch.  Probably cost me and the wife $3 total.  And it made dinner for 2, plus at least 2 lunches as leftovers.  And totally healthy.  That's $0.75/meal.
 
And when it comes to pasta, there are a million variations... so its not something we ever get bored of eating almost every night.  Yeah, some variations cost a bit more... but we're talking a few bucks more for something that will make *at least* 4 meals.
 
We'll buy a whole chicken for like $6 or so.  Maybe grill it for one dinner for two... but the leftovers stretch to at least 3 more dinners (tacos, encheladas, tostadas) for like $5-7 more in ingredients.
 
I'll admit we do take out when we can, because we live near so many awesome restaurants.  But I can live without that if need be.
 
Really, its not that hard.  Hell, even when times weren't as tight, and we just didn't feel like going out and wanted to stay away from the bar/restaruant scene (we have great friends, but they can go through phases of high drama)... we'd find ourselves basically feeding ourselves for dollars per day.
 
2012-09-25 03:32:04 PM

Madbassist1: Silly Jesus: highendmighty: Silly Jesus: CSB

I applied for 7 jobs over the course of the previous three months. I interviewed for 5 of them and was offered 4 of them. Get a farking job. You can eat much better with more money. Quit biatching about how little you are able to mooch off of others. If the food is free, you SHOULD'NT be getting a huge amount...maybe that way you'll be encouraged to get a damn job. I'm going to take a second job (part-time) soon solely in order to fully fund my Roth IRA and throw a little in a Money Market account. You can biatch and moan about your rice and beans or you can go out and do something about it. I have no pity for parasites.

CSB

That was my first snarky thought, too (see my comment above). However, there are some people in this country who legitimately cannot work, or work enough, for whatever reason. What would your [final] solution be for them? Yes; the lazy can starve for all I care, but circumstances, man!

Well I'm sort of leaning toward social Darwinism for the lazy ones. The truly disabled and the children we should take care of as a society. I don't think that they represent the majority of the parasites though.

If you're so damn bootstrappy and you work so many damn jobs how come you're on this board trolling ALL THE DAMN TIME?? When do you actually DO this work you brag about so often?


In the wee hours. I also have a lot of downtime at work.
 
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