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(NJ.com)   Did you just win the lottery? Don't want to be murdered by relatives looking to get their hands on your big pile of cash? The New Jersey State Assembly has the solution to your problem   (nj.com) divider line 133
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2012-09-25 11:03:40 AM
Won't this just mean they'll wait a year?
 
2012-09-25 11:07:32 AM

machoprogrammer: Won't this just mean they'll wait a year?


Sure, but a year ought to be plenty of time to get your poop in a group and have things set up so you can't just give money away. "Can I have a couple grand?" "Sorry man, it's all in CD's. Can't help you."
 
2012-09-25 11:07:36 AM

machoprogrammer: Won't this just mean they'll wait a year?


You have time to get your shiat together and get used to having that money in a year. After a year, that isn't "extra" money, that's "your" money.
 
2012-09-25 11:07:40 AM
Murder will be illegal in New Jersey?
 
2012-09-25 11:07:43 AM
Basically, yes. I want to say that the state of Delaware allows absolute anonymity, but I'm not 100% sure.
 
2012-09-25 11:08:08 AM
www.pariscine.com

Oh Shiat! I won the lottery! To a Parallel dimension before they kill us!
 
2012-09-25 11:09:19 AM
What if you're related to Shirley Jackson?
 
2012-09-25 11:11:16 AM
Given the headline I expected the story to be something about New Jersey keeping the money themselves. This is the home of Tony Soprano after all.
 
2012-09-25 11:11:19 AM
There was one lottery winner once that had a brilliant solution. When they were announced as the winners, they made a statement of something to the effect of "Yes, we will be donating some of this to charities of our choice. Any charity that solicits us will be disqualified." I'm sure they had the same rules in effect for family, etc.
 
2012-09-25 11:13:06 AM
I have no doubt that if I won my ex wife would try to have me killed. The first two things I'd buy is the best damned body armor possible and a pair of .45s
 
2012-09-25 11:13:41 AM
I know it's hard to say no to family, but I've always wondered why these lottery winners don't give a set amount to the people they want to give it to and let the receivers know that's all they're going to get so they'd better use it wisely.

I don't play the lottery, so it would never happen to me, but I've always said if I came into a huge jackpot that's what I'd do. My siblings and parents would receive a set amount and that's it.
 
2012-09-25 11:14:35 AM
So, a Witless Protection Program?
 
2012-09-25 11:15:02 AM

Smeggy Smurf: I have no doubt that if I won my ex wife would try to have me killed. The first two things I'd buy is the best damned body armor possible and a pair of .45s


as well as two burly, well trained men to use them for you.
 
2012-09-25 11:15:26 AM
Or, you could claim it anonymously. You know; either or.
 
2012-09-25 11:15:33 AM

Gunderson: What if you're related to Shirley Jackson?


Then you invest all your money in throwable stone futures?
 
2012-09-25 11:16:23 AM
You can be anonymous for life if you wish in the UK (and the winnings aren't taxed.... and the jackpot advertised is the amount paid, in full, within 24 hours).
 
2012-09-25 11:18:46 AM

StrandedInAZ: I know it's hard to say no to family, but I've always wondered why these lottery winners don't give a set amount to the people they want to give it to and let the receivers know that's all they're going to get so they'd better use it wisely.

I don't play the lottery, so it would never happen to me, but I've always said if I came into a huge jackpot that's what I'd do. My siblings and parents would receive a set amount and that's it.


Exactly. My mother in law is terrible with money and my sister is worse. I would give each of them some (reasonably large) amount of money and tell them that that was it. They get no more, ever again. I might even put it in an annuity so that there was a maximum they could withdraw every year.
 
2012-09-25 11:19:07 AM
"Everybody wanted my money," the Ocean County woman told the website Bankrate.com in 2004. "Everybody had their hand out. I never learned one simple word in the English language - 'no.'"

This is why if I won the lottery most of my relationships would immolate nearly immediately. I'd be wielding "no's" like a cudgel.
 
2012-09-25 11:19:29 AM
First rule of massive lottery winnings in States that require disclosure is to change your name and strongly consider moving.
Even if you're otherwise together and have an angelic set of friends and family, there is no shortage of tangentially-related opportunists, scum and cons who will generate problems.
 
2012-09-25 11:19:36 AM
FTFA: "I never learned one simple word in the English language - 'no.'"

Definitely sounds like somebody else's fault. Better lobby for legislation.

/farking loser. you don't deserve money.
 
2012-09-25 11:21:28 AM

Lord Dimwit: StrandedInAZ: I know it's hard to say no to family, but I've always wondered why these lottery winners don't give a set amount to the people they want to give it to and let the receivers know that's all they're going to get so they'd better use it wisely.

I don't play the lottery, so it would never happen to me, but I've always said if I came into a huge jackpot that's what I'd do. My siblings and parents would receive a set amount and that's it.

Exactly. My mother in law is terrible with money and my sister is worse. I would give each of them some (reasonably large) amount of money and tell them that that was it. They get no more, ever again. I might even put it in an annuity so that there was a maximum they could withdraw every year.


That's when they kidnap and murder you in attempt to get more. Duh!
 
2012-09-25 11:21:58 AM

dcigary: There was one lottery winner once that had a brilliant solution. When they were announced as the winners, they made a statement of something to the effect of "Yes, we will be donating some of this to charities of our choice. Any charity that solicits us will be disqualified." I'm sure they had the same rules in effect for family, etc.


I kinda liked how the one of the winners were "presented" during that $500 Million+ Mega Millions drawing: Just put the check in front of their faces so that no one would know who they were.

I can understand why states would want to show who won a monster jackpot just to show that everything is on the up-and-up. Too many people, however, instead of seeing a winner see a mark they can get money from.
 
2012-09-25 11:22:05 AM
Neat idea, though the criticism (people have a year's head start if they scammed someone out of a lottery winning) is also valid.

Given that here (Ontario) we had more than one case of convenience store clerks helpfully checking numbers for elderly lottery players, scanning a dummy ticket instead, telling them they didn't win and pocketing the tickets, I can see where this might make that problem a bit harder to notice. Wait a year to claim the prize, get another year being nameless, hope that nobody puts two and two together by then.
 
2012-09-25 11:22:29 AM

ringersol: First rule of massive lottery winnings in States that require disclosure is to change your name and strongly consider moving.
Even if you're otherwise together and have an angelic set of friends and family, there is no shortage of tangentially-related opportunists, scum and cons who will generate problems.


THIS
 
2012-09-25 11:22:53 AM
so New Jersey doesn't allow blind trusts?
 
2012-09-25 11:23:20 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: machoprogrammer: Won't this just mean they'll wait a year?

Sure, but a year ought to be plenty of time to get your poop in a group and have things set up so you can't just give money away. "Can I have a couple grand?" "Sorry man, it's all in CD's. Can't help you."



That would be the smart thing to do. Here's the problem: most lottery players, and therefore most lottery winners, aren't smart.

Going from poor trash to rich trash doesn't magically take away the trash part, or their trashy friends and family...

Many states will let a blind trust claim the win. This is a good way to stay relatively anonymous. It is possible, with some digging, to discover the beneficiaries, but on the lottery website and most press clippings it will just say "ABC Trust" is the winner and possibly the lawyer or accountant that manages it, and they're not going to talk.
 
2012-09-25 11:23:25 AM

iheartscotch: Or, you could claim it anonymously. You know; either or.


Depends on the state; NY won't let you do that.

Kind of a pain especially if you're in a certain neighborhood and you don't want anyone to know.
 
2012-09-25 11:23:30 AM
1. Win Lottery
2. Disappear
3. ???
4. PROFIT!
 
2012-09-25 11:23:43 AM

Gunderson: What if you're related to Shirley Jackson?


You REALLY don't want the slip of paper with the charcoal dot on it.
 
2012-09-25 11:25:15 AM
Or, you could just get it in an annuity so you literally don't have a huge lump sum of cash to give out to people.

"Sorry, I quit working and use my annuity to live on and pay off debt. I'm no richer than you are, I just don't have to work for the next 30 years."

God, winning the lottery would be so depressing. You'd have nothing to do all day.
 
2012-09-25 11:25:50 AM
Here's what you do:

1. Move! Tell no one, not even family, were you live
2. Change your phone numbers and email addresses
3. Have mail forwarded to your attorney
4. Tell no one you've won the lottery
5. Don't start spending gobs of cash, making yourself conspicuous

This won't stop the pros who troll for lottery winners, since anyone can be found from a number of on-line sources, but it will stop that old college buddy you haven't heard from in 20 years.
 
2012-09-25 11:25:54 AM

PallMall: ringersol: First rule of massive lottery winnings in States that require disclosure is to change your name and strongly consider moving.
Even if you're otherwise together and have an angelic set of friends and family, there is no shortage of tangentially-related opportunists, scum and cons who will generate problems.

THIS


Seconded. I wonder if there's some type of program that you can get an advance to (in effect) move without anyone noticing. Then, after everything done, have you announced as the winner so you'll be somewhere else when the leeches start coming out of the woodwork.
 
2012-09-25 11:26:18 AM
One of my coworkers won 10 mil a few years back. Only thing I've ever asked him for was a few weeks notice before he booked my 2 week expense paid trip to Amsterdam... he said no problem, but he hasn't let me know its coming yet either. I'm good with that. He's always up for buying a round of good beer at the bar...
 
2012-09-25 11:26:18 AM

Fubini: God, winning the lottery would be so depressing. You'd have nothing to do all day.


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2012-09-25 11:27:25 AM
If I won the lottery I'd disappear so farkin' fast nobody would even remember that I was ever here.
 
2012-09-25 11:27:26 AM
If I were to win a large enough sum, a small remote island somewhere would then become mine, along with solemn territory status. Said island would then be armed to the teeth against any and all uninvited guests. Would frequently visit the mainland for supplies then return to my fortress of solitude.

/and stay off my lawn
 
2012-09-25 11:28:06 AM

Fubini: Or, you could just get it in an annuity so you literally don't have a huge lump sum of cash to give out to people.

"Sorry, I quit working and use my annuity to live on and pay off debt. I'm no richer than you are, I just don't have to work for the next 30 years."

God, winning the lottery would be so depressing. You'd have nothing to do all day.


chrismarsh.us

I'd find something to do once I'm rich. A hobby, a passion...hell even being on FARK 24/7.
 
2012-09-25 11:28:12 AM
If you win a large lottery jackpot... take a vacation for AT LEAST a year.

During that time, plan your estate. Set up trust(s), annuities, investments, etc. If you plan on giving your family any, set up an annuity to issue payments and keep your distance.

Although you've heard it numerous times... even your family and life-long friends will change dramatically due to large sums of money being brought into mix. This of course is on a scale - those who are already well off and surrounded by well off folks are less likely to go crazy. Poorer folks should take extra caution.

Idiots murder people over $20. Thinking they have a shot at big $$$ makes you a much bigger target.
 
2012-09-25 11:28:45 AM

imtheonlylp: If I were to win a large enough sum, a small remote island somewhere would then become mine, along with solemn territory status. Said island would then be armed to the teeth against any and all uninvited guests. Would frequently visit the mainland for supplies then return to my fortress of solitude.


Newsletter plz.
 
2012-09-25 11:28:53 AM

Rwa2play: iheartscotch: Or, you could claim it anonymously. You know; either or.

Depends on the state; NY won't let you do that.

Kind of a pain especially if you're in a certain neighborhood and you don't want anyone to know.


That's dumb. That makes no sence. I'd guess I'd form a corperation, make myself CEO, and claim it like that.

/ I don't know if that would work or not; as I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tv
 
2012-09-25 11:29:09 AM
shavethewhales: so New Jersey doesn't allow blind trusts?

Came here to say this. Pretty sure blind trusts are allowed in NJ and they are the cornerstone to lotto privacy. That, and not telling ANYONE you won.
 
2012-09-25 11:30:41 AM

Rwa2play: Seconded. I wonder if there's some type of program that you can get an advance to (in effect) move without anyone noticing. Then, after everything done, have you announced as the winner so you'll be somewhere else when the leeches start coming out of the woodwork.


Sure... for $500,000, I'll help you disappear.
 
2012-09-25 11:31:05 AM

aurorous: Given the headline I expected the story to be something about New Jersey keeping the money themselves. This is the home of Tony Soprano after all.



I hate to be the one to break it to you, but Tony Soprano isn't actually a real person at all. He's something that someone made up in order to frighten children. Very much like Santa Claus or the Easter Bastard.
 
2012-09-25 11:31:27 AM

abhorrent1: Fubini: God, winning the lottery would be so depressing. You'd have nothing to do all day.

[notsureifserious.jpg]


Serious. I know a guy who took a 30-year annuity option and quit his job. He's been living off that money for the majority of his life at this point. His annuity ends in a year or two, he's 55-60ish, he's overweight, he's used to sleeping in to 11 every day, and worst of all, he doesn't really have any useful skills (he was a carpenter or something before he won). As far as I know, he wasn't wise enough to save any of it.

I'm not sure what he's going to do - spend the next 20 years working at a supermarket?
 
2012-09-25 11:31:53 AM

Fubini: God, winning the lottery would be so depressing. You'd have nothing to do all day.


If I won the lottery, I would have lots of thing to do all day.

It just wouldn't be a job.
 
2012-09-25 11:32:22 AM
I know I'm setting myself up to be called jealous or whiny or whatever, but when I read stories of people who blow that much money and end up in poverty or bankrupt, all I want to do is tell them go to fark themselves. Hard.

Winning that much money, even a cool million, changes your life. For most people, a million dollars can wipe out all their debt and give them an opportunity to start their lives over. Then you have selfish pricks like these people who lose everything and whine about how difficult and hard it was. Screw you, I have no sympathy for you.

If you win that much money and you start a business and lose it, fine. You tried to do something, it didn't work out, nice try. But for people who just blow it on nothing (cars, homes, giving it away to every person with their hand out), just go die already, you've proven you are a waste of carbon.
 
2012-09-25 11:32:51 AM

Rwa2play: Seconded. I wonder if there's some type of program that you can get an advance to (in effect) move without anyone noticing. Then, after everything done, have you announced as the winner so you'll be somewhere else when the leeches start coming out of the woodwork.


Easy rent a corporate long term apartment in a city in a different state where you have no relatives, get a disposable cell phone, rent a car, rent a post office box at a UPS store and set up forwarding to your temporary apartment, then claim your prize you should be able to get 30-90 days of anonymity then you can slowly start coming back to life. Also set up a corporation to claim the prize and place it in a brand new business account.
 
2012-09-25 11:34:31 AM

Fubini: I'm not sure what he's going to do - spend the next 20 years working at a supermarket?


Easy come, easy go!
 
2012-09-25 11:34:40 AM

portnoyd: shavethewhales: so New Jersey doesn't allow blind trusts?

Came here to say this. Pretty sure blind trusts are allowed in NJ and they are the cornerstone to lotto privacy. That, and not telling ANYONE you won.


Every state has different rules on anonymity. A few (like Delaware) allow complete anonymity if you want. Some states allow you to opt out of the photo op and not release your name in the press release, but they'll release your info to anybody that requests it. Some states allow trusts, some don't. And even some of the states that allow trusts still make it possible to see who's behind it. And then there's some states that require you to do the photo op, press conference, and all that crap.
 
2012-09-25 11:35:02 AM

Gordon Bennett: Very much like Santa Claus or the Easter Bastard.


Y'know, when you're speed-reading through comments and you hit that last word, whatever's in your mouth comes out your nose.

/now nobody's gonna eat that sandwich.
 
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