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(My Fox DC)   "It was Glee meets the Russian Revolution, I'm not kidding you. They had giant hammers and sickles and they were waving them around"   (myfoxdc.com) divider line 81
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2012-09-25 10:33:41 AM
"If anything is being celebrated it's the music," she said. "It is what it is. I understand people look at something and choose how to interpret that and I'm just very sorry that it wasn't looked at as just a history lesson."

Any possible sympathy I could've possibly had for this woman went out the window with the use of this phrase.
 
2012-09-25 10:38:07 AM
Goddamn it, news! Why won't you tell me what they played???
 
2012-09-25 10:43:07 AM
Okay. Did some digging. Their show for 2012 is "The Music of Shostakovich."

*sigh*
 
2012-09-25 10:44:26 AM
I've been meaning to start reading a new book: Spies and Commissars? It looked like a really good history of the actual revolution. I admit, I know the causes and the eventual outcome, but the chaos that ensued from the fall of the czar to the rise of Lenin/Stalin must be fascinating

/Also, Leon Trotsky's autobiography is a boring, slow, boring boring book
//Trotsky, however, seems like an interesting guy
///The Trotsky, is a farking awesome movie
 
2012-09-25 10:54:07 AM

Shostie: Okay. Did some digging. Their show for 2012 is "The Music of Shostakovich."

*sigh*


Any time you see Todd Starnes' byline you can be certain you're not getting the whole story.
 
2012-09-25 10:55:59 AM
I can think of no better way to mock the Soviets and communism than to make a 'Glee' dance number out of their ideals.
 
2012-09-25 11:00:19 AM

Weaver95: I can think of no better way to mock the Soviets and communism than to make a 'Glee' dance number out of their ideals.


But what did poor Shostakovich ever do to get dragged into it?

/Where the the hell do you find marching band arrangements for Shostakovich? That must have been a complete train wreck regardless of the Bolshevik angle.
 
2012-09-25 11:04:07 AM

Nabb1: /Where the the hell do you find marching band arrangements for Shostakovich?


There's stuff out there, I'm sure. The Phantom Regiment did a Shostakovich show years and years ago. This guy Donald Hunsberger arranged a bunch of Shostakovich pieces for wind ensemble which (in my opinion) is worthless since he seems to have forgotten that wind instruments have different technical capabilities than strings.
 
2012-09-25 11:15:55 AM
i1156.photobucket.com 
 
2012-09-25 11:16:35 AM
That article didn't contain any justification for why they did this. There has to be some other story, right?
 
2012-09-25 11:20:44 AM

DamnYankees: That article didn't contain any justification for why they did this. There has to be some other story, right?


As I noted above, their show is "The Music of Shostakovich."

And yeah, there's a strong connection between Shostakovich and the Russian Revolution, Soviets, et al, but to say that the show was JUST about the Revolution simplifies things quite a bit.

Shostakovich had a... let's say complicated relationship with the Communist Party in Russia.
 
2012-09-25 11:28:48 AM

Shostie: DamnYankees: That article didn't contain any justification for why they did this. There has to be some other story, right?

As I noted above, their show is "The Music of Shostakovich."

And yeah, there's a strong connection between Shostakovich and the Russian Revolution, Soviets, et al, but to say that the show was JUST about the Revolution simplifies things quite a bit.

Shostakovich had a... let's say complicated relationship with the Communist Party in Russia.


Not to mention he was just a kid in 1917.
 
2012-09-25 12:02:58 PM

DamnYankees: That article didn't contain any justification for why they did this. There has to be some other story, right?


It's Todd Starnes. His whole schtick is omitting relevant facts to make something appear outrageous.
His name is synonymous with "didn't happen."
 
2012-09-25 12:19:05 PM
Is this their band director?

images.wikia.com
 
2012-09-25 12:22:40 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DamnYankees: That article didn't contain any justification for why they did this. There has to be some other story, right?

It's Todd Starnes. His whole schtick is omitting relevant facts to make something appear outrageous.
His name is synonymous with "didn't happen."


and the comments at the bottom of the article are exactly what I would expect...

But, this is what progressivism (regressivism) does to a education system. Promoting historical ignorance in it's full glory.
What's next? RE-DISTRIBUTION! Oh yea, they started talking about that last week
Obama...making communism fashionable.


Todd's certainly reaching his target audience.
 
2012-09-25 12:26:08 PM
 
2012-09-25 12:26:34 PM

Weaver95: I can think of no better way to mock the Soviets and communism than to make a 'Glee' dance number out of their ideals.


"I may have been deported in 1929 but (sings) I'm just an old-fashioned girl, with an old-fashioned mind. (a certain amount of confusion is spreading among the audience and particulary the general on the podium) Comrades, I don't want to destroy in order to build, I don't want a state founded on hate and division (sings) I want an old-fashioned house with an old-fashioned fence, and an old-fashioned millionaire."
 
2012-09-25 12:26:46 PM
People have a really retarded view when it comes to the Russian Revolution. I'm sorry, but the soviets really didn't kill as many people as is stated. If we applied the same rules to capitalist countries I bet you anything there have been more deaths as a result of capitalism than "communism".
 
2012-09-25 12:29:28 PM

FarkedOver: People have a really retarded view when it comes to the Russian Revolution. I'm sorry, but the soviets really didn't kill as many people as is stated. If we applied the same rules to capitalist countries I bet you anything there have been more deaths as a result of capitalism than "communism".


Don't blame the deaths on communism. Blame them on "Stalinism."
 
2012-09-25 12:30:41 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-09-25 12:33:14 PM
"I am sure the millions who died under Communism would not see the joy of celebrating the Russian revolution by a school 10 miles from Gettysburg."
strangejourneys.files.wordpress.com
"Not even their Kentucky long rifles can withstand our tanks, comrade!"
 
2012-09-25 12:36:18 PM

Shostie: FarkedOver: People have a really retarded view when it comes to the Russian Revolution. I'm sorry, but the soviets really didn't kill as many people as is stated. If we applied the same rules to capitalist countries I bet you anything there have been more deaths as a result of capitalism than "communism".

Don't blame the deaths on communism. Blame them on "Stalinism."


It's not even just that. They count deaths by famine as a direct result of "communism". Anyone ever who died under "communism" was executed is what I think some people believe (or sent to a gulag).
 
2012-09-25 12:36:38 PM

FarkedOver: People have a really retarded view when it comes to the Russian Revolution. I'm sorry, but the soviets really didn't kill as many people as is stated. If we applied the same rules to capitalist countries I bet you anything there have been more deaths as a result of capitalism than "communism".


Oh certainly, but the Soviets aesthetic retroactively a great group of guys just because the black book et al. use suspicious statistics.
 
2012-09-25 12:37:11 PM
Let the Russkies march on Gettysburg.
We'll climb that hill and whip some ass all over again.
Russians, Johnny Rebs...it's all the same.

/Wolverines!
 
2012-09-25 12:38:38 PM
How the hell does aren't = aesthetic? Screw you autocorrect!
 
2012-09-25 12:39:24 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: FarkedOver: People have a really retarded view when it comes to the Russian Revolution. I'm sorry, but the soviets really didn't kill as many people as is stated. If we applied the same rules to capitalist countries I bet you anything there have been more deaths as a result of capitalism than "communism".

Oh certainly, but the Soviets aesthetic retroactively a great group of guys just because the black book et al. use suspicious statistics.


I think things would have been different had Lenin lived longer. After he was shot he deteriorated rapidly and was never the same. State and Revolution is a fabulous book and looking at what Stalin did after he took power, he did everything Lenin warned against in State and Rev
 
2012-09-25 12:40:13 PM
Ten Days That Rocked the World?
 
2012-09-25 12:40:58 PM

FarkedOver: It's not even just that. They count deaths by famine as a direct result of "communism". Anyone ever who died under "communism" was executed is what I think some people believe (or sent to a gulag).


It's what you think some people believe? Go stand in the corner and think about what you wrote.
 
2012-09-25 12:41:21 PM

FarkedOver: Holocaust Agnostic: FarkedOver: People have a really retarded view when it comes to the Russian Revolution. I'm sorry, but the soviets really didn't kill as many people as is stated. If we applied the same rules to capitalist countries I bet you anything there have been more deaths as a result of capitalism than "communism".

Oh certainly, but the Soviets aesthetic retroactively a great group of guys just because the black book et al. use suspicious statistics.

I think things would have been different had Lenin lived longer. After he was shot he deteriorated rapidly and was never the same. State and Revolution is a fabulous book and looking at what Stalin did after he took power, he did everything Lenin warned against in State and Rev


Lenin was good person. One day he was standing outside his dacha shaving himself with a bowl of water and an open razor. A little boy came to watch him and asked him what he was doing. "I'm, shaving little boy", Lenin said.
 
2012-09-25 12:42:38 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: It's what you think some people believe? Go stand in the corner and think about what you wrote.


Well its what most Americans raised during the cold war believe ;)

/Fark your corner bourgeois pig!
 
2012-09-25 12:44:43 PM
"There is no reason for Americans to celebrate the Russian revolution," said one irate parent who alerted Fox News. "I am sure the millions who died under Communism would not see the joy of celebrating the Russian revolution by a school 10 miles from Gettysburg."

What does Gettysburg have to do with the Russian Revolution or Communism?
 
2012-09-25 12:45:59 PM
This is a direct result of the marxism being shoveled into kids by the teacher unions. How pathetic does your ideology have to be when the only way it can gain traction is by brainwashing children?
 
2012-09-25 12:46:09 PM

FarkedOver: People have a really retarded view when it comes to the Russian Revolution. I'm sorry, but the soviets really didn't kill as many people as is stated. If we applied the same rules to capitalist countries I bet you anything there have been more deaths as a result of capitalism than "communism".


Problem was that the original view of Communism was warped once it was put into practice. Things got hell of a lot worse when Stalin came to be the Boss.

/Socialism sounds good on paper
//But mankind needs to go a long way to really make it work without turning it into a monstrous machine
 
2012-09-25 12:49:28 PM

FarkedOver: Holocaust Agnostic: FarkedOver: People have a really retarded view when it comes to the Russian Revolution. I'm sorry, but the soviets really didn't kill as many people as is stated. If we applied the same rules to capitalist countries I bet you anything there have been more deaths as a result of capitalism than "communism".

Oh certainly, but the Soviets aesthetic retroactively a great group of guys just because the black book et al. use suspicious statistics.

I think things would have been different had Lenin lived longer. After he was shot he deteriorated rapidly and was never the same. State and Revolution is a fabulous book and looking at what Stalin did after he took power, he did everything Lenin warned against in State and Rev


Conclusive evidence that, while potentially useful, authoritarian power structures that ultimately rely on one dude having holistic shiat straight are dangerously unstable and have catastrophic failure states.
 
2012-09-25 12:50:34 PM

RussianPooper: "There is no reason for Americans to celebrate the Russian revolution," said one irate parent who alerted Fox News. "I am sure the millions who died under Communism would not see the joy of celebrating the Russian revolution by a school 10 miles from Gettysburg."

What does Gettysburg have to do with the Russian Revolution or Communism?


Because when the South Rises again, they don't want to rise as a socialist front.
 
2012-09-25 12:51:42 PM
Russian Revolution ended in November of 1917
 
2012-09-25 01:08:04 PM
You know, you air-headed right-wingers need to calm down and stop panicking that there are enemies and subversives everywhere. Seriously. You're farking batshiat, pants-on-head retarded at this point.
 
2012-09-25 01:10:31 PM
RussianPooper
What does Gettysburg have to do with the Russian Revolution or Communism?

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing its the same as the relationship between the WTC site and a muslim community center. Foreign-ish things don't belong near nationalist symbols or something like that.

What gets me, though, is this stuff:

FTFA:What the Russian revolution unleashed was a nightmare - a historical human catastrophe.

Stalin wasn't very different from the old autocrats and things in Russia have always been kinda shiatty. Each time a (relatively) liberal leader comes to power, he gets replaced with an old fashioned orthodox authoritarian. I'm not sure that things would have been much different had the revolution never occurred.
 
2012-09-25 01:16:31 PM

gshepnyc: You know, you air-headed right-wingers need to calm down and stop panicking that there are enemies and subversives everywhere. Seriously. You're farking batshiat, pants-on-head retarded at this point.


I really wanted to see the comments section there, but there isn't any :C

/I need my fix of American Outrage
 
2012-09-25 01:24:50 PM

lordaction: This is a direct result of the marxism being shoveled into kids by the teacher unions. How pathetic does your ideology have to be when the only way it can gain traction is by brainwashing children?


Do you ever wonder why people laugh at you or call you crazy?
 
2012-09-25 01:25:16 PM
"A Pennsylvania high school marching band is raising eyebrows..."

Is "raising eyebrows" the new "Some people are saying..."?
 
2012-09-25 01:30:59 PM

RussianPooper: "There is no reason for Americans to celebrate the Russian revolution," said one irate parent who alerted Fox News. "I am sure the millions who died under Communism would not see the joy of celebrating the Russian revolution by a school 10 miles from Gettysburg."

What does Gettysburg have to do with the Russian Revolution or Communism?


More importantly, why is a right-winger celebrating the defeat of the Confederacy?
 
2012-09-25 01:33:23 PM
My grandfather fought his whole life against Stalinists.
Over half of my extended family was murdered or deported never to be heard from again by the KGB
Over 75% of my wife's family were.
I hate vladimir putin and his dictatorial regime
Stalinist communism was an evil that brought death and despair to millions
The great famine and other great holocausts of Stalinism have gone largely unremarked
I hate the double standard when it comes to discussions of Naziism and discussions of Stalinism.

AND YET

I AM OK WITH THIS.

Why?

Because, at least from the first to paragraphs that I skimmed, this event commemorates the Soviet/Russian revolution of 1917.

That revolution was essentially a legitimate grassroots anti-monarchist, anti-anachronism-capitalist true people's event. it lifted the serfs out of bondage, it showed people could say NO to being fed into the furnaces of the fronts (neither the germans nor the british were strong enough to do this), and it was all told an optimistic and principled affair built upon a stronger set of legitimate ideals than, dare I say it, was the American revolution, which, however, commendable the outcome, was fought under the lamest of pretenses (I say this as a proud American nevertheless).

So, somewhere in between veterans day, memorial day, 911 day, columbus day, flag day, pearl harbor day, d-day, and all the other things done in high schools to commemorate right wing triumphalism (and before you say it, labor day has had nothing to do with labor for quite some time), I am ok with commemorating an event that truly was of the people.

even if, as it turned out, it was later cynically exploited and turned into one of the greatest horrors of world history.

this is NOT the same as commemorating adolf for making the trains run on time or whatever early in his reign--even if that were true, the was never a commendable basis for adolf's reign. the russian revolution, however, was in many way truly and important event as it showed that labor and the middle classes can have a voice and their voice is important. and, it does have a positive legacy - much of the improvements to working conditions in the USA and western europe in the early 20th century can be directly tied to the Russian revolution.

viva la revolucion.
 
2012-09-25 01:35:21 PM
FarkedOver: People have a really retarded view when it comes to the Russian Revolution. I'm sorry, but the soviets really didn't kill as many people as is stated. If we applied the same rules to capitalist countries I bet you anything there have been more deaths as a result of capitalism than "communism".

My previous long missive not withstanding, you sir, are an eedjit. If you are referring to the soviet union as a whole, then, why yes, millions and millions and millions were murdered and their loss has been minimized for too long by fools like yourself who simply turn a blind eye to it.
 
2012-09-25 01:36:12 PM
Did someone say Glee?
 
2012-09-25 01:36:15 PM
They did not interview anyone other than a guaranteed outrage quote generator.

I for one am outraged!
 
2012-09-25 01:38:36 PM
Woops. I meant to post this: 
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2012-09-25 01:51:19 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Because, at least from the first to paragraphs that I skimmed, this event commemorates the Soviet/Russian revolution of 1917.


Not really, no.

They were playing the music of Soviet composer Dmitri Shostakovich. Someone conflated that to a Russian Revolution show.

Unless they were playing bits from his 2nd (unlikely) or 12th symphonies, the show very likely had little to do with October.
 
2012-09-25 01:51:47 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: millions and millions and millions were murdered

[citation needed]

 
2012-09-25 01:53:24 PM

Shostie: Bomb Head Mohammed: Because, at least from the first to paragraphs that I skimmed, this event commemorates the Soviet/Russian revolution of 1917.

Not really, no.

They were playing the music of Soviet composer Dmitri Shostakovich. Someone conflated that to a Russian Revolution show.

Unless they were playing bits from his 2nd (unlikely) or 12th symphonies, the show very likely had little to do with October.


FarkedOver: Bomb Head Mohammed: millions and millions and millions were murdered

[citation needed]


Really? You guys are engaging a guy with the nick "Bomb Head Mohammed?" What part of troll do you not see?
 
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