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2012-09-25 12:03:15 PM
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Happy anniversary mom and dad. I got you a scary statue
 
2012-09-25 12:06:04 PM
SPOILER:

The angels move if nobody is looking at them.


/Another farking re-hash
 
2012-09-25 12:10:49 PM
oh joy, the dal^H^H^Hcyb^H^H^Hangels again. surely this time it will be different!
 
2012-09-25 12:13:19 PM
The weeping angels have got to be the crappiest and most unimaginative villains ever conceived.

It's almost as if Ron Moore or Avi Arad are writing this crap.
 
2012-09-25 12:17:14 PM
Who dies? I'm thinking Amy because Rory dying will affect the Doctor a little, but the last couple of episodes called back to "Amelia" Pond and being the girl who waited. They even had custard and fish sticks. Plus it'll mess up River Song too.

Or they'll do that cheat death at the last second BS.

I'm kind of getting tired at how this Doctor is written. He's more madcap and insufferable and then melancholy. Very bipolar. #9 felt more coherent in retrospect. Does 1200 years of life make you a fool or does Moffat... Or is it a dumbing down because it's a "show for children" or an increasingly American audience?
 
2012-09-25 12:28:12 PM
My horrible prediction is that Rory will die, Amy will live, and Amy will both blame and hate the Doctor for the rest of her life. That, or the Doctor will have to kill both Amy and Rory. That would gut him.

Either way, I think when we come back from break, we're going to get a darker and more angry Doctor for a few episodes.
 
2012-09-25 12:36:29 PM
I'm tired of waiting. Let's get this woman back on my screen.

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I've been dreaming of sucking on her patella for weeks now.
 
2012-09-25 12:37:47 PM
I don't think anyone is dying. I'm guessing one or both get caught by an Angel and sent back in time. And for some timey-wimey reason they're stuck in that time.
 
2012-09-25 12:38:19 PM
Let it end already.

I'm tired of this shiatty "I can't quit you" story.

The Doctor let his own farking Granddaughter go without a fraction of the fuss.
 
2012-09-25 12:38:37 PM

quizzical: My horrible prediction is that Rory will die, Amy will live, and Amy will both blame and hate the Doctor for the rest of her life. That, or the Doctor will have to kill both Amy and Rory. That would gut him.

Either way, I think when we come back from break, we're going to get a darker and more angry Doctor for a few episodes.


with a Dalek companion...
 
2012-09-25 12:39:40 PM
oh boy the weeping angels again so excited. those things are scary i can't wait

after how truly amazing great awesome wow neato that last weeping angels episode was i think i might burst with the anticipation.
 
2012-09-25 12:44:03 PM

Keyser_Soze_Death: The weeping angels have got to be the crappiest and most unimaginative villains ever conceived.

It's almost as if Ron Moore or Avi Arad are writing this crap.


Nice troll. I dig the angels. They've only used them a couple times. They are completely original.

Special J: I don't think anyone is dying. I'm guessing one or both get caught by an Angel and sent back in time. And for some timey-wimey reason they're stuck in that time.


I agree with this. Postulated it to a friend the other day. Another rumor going around is the Statue of Liberty is herself a weeping angel. That may be a bogus rumor though.
 
2012-09-25 12:45:04 PM
Hopefully Amy and Rory are gone for good after this.
 
2012-09-25 12:45:28 PM
I watched the original Blink again recently and was struck by how little of the doctor we actually see. He pops up in the easter eggs and in one scene crossing the street and then at the end.

Looking forward to River again and to a wind up of the Ponds.

Definitely looking forward to Oswyn/Oswin/Ozwin.
 
2012-09-25 12:45:32 PM
I know we're supposed to sort of miss companions when they leave, but the Ponds have been leaving for a year now. I'm surprised the Doctor isn't putting on their coats and shoving them out of the TARDIS door all the while saying "soooo sorry you have to leave so soon".

And to think of all the shiat Rose gets. Pond is worse.
 
2012-09-25 12:56:19 PM

Anderson's Pooper:

Definitely looking forward to Oswyn/Oswin/Ozwin.


I will always refer to her as Souffle Girl.
 
2012-09-25 12:56:52 PM
My theory, as posted in the last Who thread, is that Amy and Rory are going to sacrifice themselves to the weeping angels to save the Doctor and River. They'll wind up back in 1969 where they find the newly regenerated Melody wandering the streets, and it will be bittersweet because they get to raise their daughter after all, but they'll never get to see the Doctor again because he can't visit without changing history.
 
2012-09-25 12:59:28 PM
The Doctor we've seen this season is already going backwards through time because he got touched by a naughty uncle angel in this episode. He can control it somewhat because he the TARDIS.
 
2012-09-25 01:04:46 PM

Shazam999: The Doctor we've seen this season is already going backwards through time because he got touched by a naughty uncle angel in this episode. He can control it somewhat because he the TARDIS.


I've also thought his timeline has been backwards this season. I hadn't thought of the angels though.
 
2012-09-25 01:08:45 PM

rynthetyn: My theory, as posted in the last Who thread, is that Amy and Rory are going to sacrifice themselves to the weeping angels to save the Doctor and River. They'll wind up back in 1969 where they find the newly regenerated Melody wandering the streets, and it will be bittersweet because they get to raise their daughter after all, but they'll never get to see the Doctor again because he can't visit without changing history.


Concur!
 
2012-09-25 01:14:55 PM

Wellon Dowd: I'm tired of waiting. Let's get this woman back on my screen..


Bring back Rose!

/just kidding
//please don't kill me
 
2012-09-25 01:21:54 PM
Can the headers on that website be any more space-abusing? Oy.
 
2012-09-25 01:22:18 PM
One of my complaints is that we knew at the start of this season/series that Amy and Rory were leaving. So, what should really be a huge shocking event was spoiled before we celebrated the fourth of July. I remembered reading that when Ardic died at the end of Earthshock, that they kept the Actor's name in the credits for several episodes after to hide the surprise of his death.

This isn't a complaint about just Doctor Who, but this is something that goes back decades. The moment it is announced that someone is leaving, the media exploits it and it isn't the surprise that it should be. I remember being 9 years old and my parents watching 'Entertainment Tonight' and they spoiled that Denise Crosby was leaving 'Star Trek: TNG'. And that wasn't the last time such events were spoiled before the episode was even written.

What I would love to see, when Matt Smith decides to leave the show, the news is not leaked. Casting is done for the Doctor, but it's either kept under heavy secrecy or it's disguised as casting for a guest star like the Valeyard or a Jackson Lake style character like in the episode 'The Next Doctor'. And write the regeneration in the biggest, shocking, WTF moment of the season/series.
 
2012-09-25 01:22:51 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I dig the angels. They've only used them a couple times. They are completely original.


1st Angels: GREAT. Until that stupid montage/voiceover at the end.

2nd Angels: Ignored the rules laid out for the Angels in the first one. Made them stupid. Seriously crap episode, one of the worst. Proved that the writers didn't understand why they were cool in the first one.

3rd Angels: Confidence is low, now that we know the writers don't get it.

See the problem?
 
2012-09-25 01:32:39 PM

unlikely: AdolfOliverPanties: I dig the angels. They've only used them a couple times. They are completely original.

1st Angels: GREAT. Until that stupid montage/voiceover at the end.

2nd Angels: Ignored the rules laid out for the Angels in the first one. Made them stupid. Seriously crap episode, one of the worst. Proved that the writers didn't understand why they were cool in the first one.

3rd Angels: Confidence is low, now that we know the writers don't get it.

See the problem?


Not really. But I haven't watched that second episode in a long time, so you may be completely right! I hope they get it right this time.
 
2012-09-25 01:33:06 PM
Amy dies. Rory gets in the Doctor's face and, in a very blut way, blames and will never forgive him. Rory then sacrifices himself for River and/or the Doctor. Doctor is left feeling guilty. He then thinks of Oswin......
 
2012-09-25 01:43:49 PM
Great, Manhattan, where the Daleks jumped the shark. That was such an awful episode.
 
2012-09-25 01:46:51 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Keyser_Soze_Death: The weeping angels have got to be the crappiest and most unimaginative villains ever conceived.

It's almost as if Ron Moore or Avi Arad are writing this crap.

Nice troll. I dig the angels. They've only used them a couple times. They are completely original.

Special J: I don't think anyone is dying. I'm guessing one or both get caught by an Angel and sent back in time. And for some timey-wimey reason they're stuck in that time.

I agree with this. Postulated it to a friend the other day. Another rumor going around is the Statue of Liberty is herself a weeping angel. That may be a bogus rumor though.


It might be interesting. After all, how often is there NOBODY looking at the Statue of Liberty? Maybe there's some odd blackout that completely hides the statue, and it's finally allowed to move. There is the repeating trend of flickering light bulbs.
 
2012-09-25 01:49:21 PM

Great Janitor: And write the regeneration in the biggest, shocking, WTF moment of the season/series.


I'd love for that to happen. It never will, sadly, but it'd be awesome.

unlikely: Ignored the rules laid out for the Angels in the first one.


Not really. They added some new ones: Angels can feed off more than temporal energy, Angels reproduce via images. The former is a bit of a loss, but it helped simplify what would have been a fiendishly complex episode- having soldiers getting blasted back in time would have been problematic. On the flip side, a little technobabble about how they're getting blasted back into a past where the planet wasn't yet terraformed would have solved that without changing anything.

The latter is trickier. It fits with the Angels- they're creatures defined by how we see them. It's thematic, but it's also unbalancing. It's mechanically tricky, and feels more contrived than meaningful.

The biggest flaw in the episode was that we, the audience, saw the Angels move. Again, it fit with the events of the plot, but half the fun of the Angels is that you never see them move. It immerses us in the story to have the same rules apply to the audience as the characters in the story.

In the end, "Time of the Angels" didn't require the Weeping Angels, but used them anyway. A new kind of psychic monster could have been more interesting in the same place.
 
2012-09-25 01:52:08 PM

Nurglitch: Great, Manhattan, where the Daleks jumped the shark. That was such an awful episode.


That wasn't the first, and it certainly won't be the last time the Daleks jump the shark. Though, yes, the Guidolek was one of the worst things ever done to the Daleks. Does that mean we're in for a Weeping Guido this week? Does spray tan stick to stone?
 
2012-09-25 01:52:34 PM

Anderson's Pooper: I watched the original Blink again recently and was struck by how little of the doctor we actually see. He pops up in the easter eggs and in one scene crossing the street and then at the end.

Looking forward to River again and to a wind up of the Ponds.

Definitely looking forward to Oswyn/Oswin/Ozwin.


The way DW is filmed they always have a Doctor lite episode half way because thats the only way to make that many episodes in that time. It's more or less shot by a different crew while the A team are shooting another episode elsewhere with the lead actor.
 
2012-09-25 01:57:28 PM

Mawson of the Antarctic: Who dies? I'm thinking Amy because Rory dying will affect the Doctor a little, but the last couple of episodes called back to "Amelia" Pond and being the girl who waited. They even had custard and fish sticks. Plus it'll mess up River Song too.

Or they'll do that cheat death at the last second BS.

I'm kind of getting tired at how this Doctor is written. He's more madcap and insufferable and then melancholy. Very bipolar. #9 felt more coherent in retrospect. Does 1200 years of life make you a fool or does Moffat... Or is it a dumbing down because it's a "show for children" or an increasingly American audience?


Oh hey look, another matt smith hater. How original.

News flash, they aren't doing anything dramatically different with this doctor than they have done the past 6 years. Doctor who always dodges bullets with fantasy writing. It won't mess anything up and Moffat will cover his tracks like he always does.
 
2012-09-25 02:14:03 PM

t3knomanser: we, the audience, saw the Angels move.


That is the single biggest violation and the one that wrecks the angels, IMHO.
 
2012-09-25 02:16:52 PM
So far I've been enjoying this season a lot, even if I tend to like heavy myth arc episodes more than the self contained ones, so I'm optimistic about this episode.

The thing is, I think that the Ponds are great companions, and the had a great run in my opinion. I understand that a lot of people don't like them, but that's not my case.
 
2012-09-25 02:18:27 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I hope they get it right this time.


I sound like a sourpuss when I post in these threads, but I really do hope they get it right too.

I loved the nuanced portrayals of the Doctor for pretty much all of the Doctors up to Smith. I am left feeling like he's got two settings, melancholy and manic, and there's little in between. The sense of wonder I got from Baker, from Eccleston, even Tennant is completely absent here, like the doctor isn't ACTUALLY enchanted with the universe any more, he's just going through the motions. I realize after Martha dumping him and then seeing what he did to Donna, that may actually be something the writers are doing on purpose, but I haven't had a lot of occasion to have my faith in the writers renewed.

So in spite of lowering my expectations over and over, and sounding like I hate all things doctor, I really do hope they get it. I love the Doctor and when the series is at its best nothing else out there even comes close.
 
2012-09-25 02:35:55 PM

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Happy anniversary mom and dad. I got you a scary statue


Is it just me or does that look like the outfit she was wearing at the beginning of "The Time of Angels"? It could just be reusing costumes, or it could be that the angel in the picture is the same one that was in the hold of the Byzantium. Didn't she say something about how she had been tracking it down and it had been owned by a few different people? If so it would give us a tiny glimpse of River's timeline: This episode leads into "Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone" which leads directly to the end of "The Wedding of River Song".
 
2012-09-25 03:02:40 PM
Only the laziest of Dr Who scripts use a villain from the past. Any Doctor that faces a villain more than once shouldn't be considered part of the cannon
 
2012-09-25 03:09:28 PM

Keyser_Soze_Death: The weeping angels have got to be the crappiest and most unimaginative villains ever conceived.

It's almost as if Ron Moore or Avi Arad are writing this crap.


What? The first time I saw Blink I yelped and jumped audibly several times. Freaked me out. Couldn't look at statues for months.
 
2012-09-25 03:19:18 PM
Last Angels episode lost a lot of my love for them. At this point, I'm curious but waiting on the Supernatural premier with greater anticipation.
 
2012-09-25 03:34:34 PM

Lost Thought 00: Only the laziest of Dr Who scripts use a villain from the past. Any Doctor that faces a villain more than once shouldn't be considered part of the cannon


Can't decide if this is a troll or the dumbest thing I've read.

There is a difference between just rehashing past stories with the same villains and bringing back the same villains in a different story to expand their backstory/mythos.

Let's look at the Cyberman. The classic series did a wonderful job of bringing them back again and again, never tell the same story twice, and kept them fresh each appearance. Not only that, but also kept track of the story line in such a way that even with the Doctor's time traveling, everything still made sense (the audio book series: the Archives explains everything about the cyberman in their time line, not the Doctor's, and it all works).

Where it doesn't really work, Davros. Honestly, he should have been a one shot character, not someone who is brought back to be killed off again only to find out that he really wasn't killed that last time. That is why I really don't want to see The Master or the Time Lords return.

As long as they can bring back the Weeping Angels, continually make them interesting, expand their background and not ruin them, I don't mind seeing them. Think of Star Trek and the Borg. When they first appeared, they were scary. It took Q to rescue the Enterprise. When they returned, it took Data going through Picard/Locutus to bring the Borg down. Beyond that, TNG never successful defeated the Borg until 'First Contact'. Voyager comes along, brings back the Borg and destroys them. Turns them from scary unbeatable TNG villains to a mild annoyance. Just don't do to the Angels what Star Trek did to the Borg.
 
2012-09-25 03:36:31 PM

quizzical: My horrible prediction is that Rory will die


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What would give you that idea?
 
2012-09-25 03:40:32 PM

Anderson's Pooper: I watched the original Blink again recently and was struck by how little of the doctor we actually see. He pops up in the easter eggs and in one scene crossing the street and then at the end.


As I recall - it was a contract problem. In order to have a Christmas episode - the main actors had to be in one less episode during the main series.
 
2012-09-25 03:41:55 PM

Great Janitor: Where it doesn't really work, Davros. Honestly, he should have been a one shot character, not someone who is brought back to be killed off again only to find out that he really wasn't killed that last time. That is why I really don't want to see The Master or the Time Lords return.


I disagree about the Time Lords and The Master. Having the Doctor as the only remaining one of his kind makes him a bit too powerful, I think. There is simply nothing keeping him in check, aside from his connections to his companions. I like the idea that the Doctor is a part of a whole race. I'm not saying that Time Lords need to show up all the time, but I would like them to be reintroduced back into the universe, other than as a one-off villain in NuWho.
 
2012-09-25 03:42:39 PM

unlikely: I loved the nuanced portrayals of the Doctor for pretty much all of the Doctors up to Smith. I am left feeling like he's got two settings, melancholy and manic, and there's little in between. The sense of wonder I got from Baker, from Eccleston, even Tennant is completely absent here, like the doctor isn't ACTUALLY enchanted with the universe any more, he's just going through the motions. I realize after Martha dumping him and then seeing what he did to Donna, that may actually be something the writers are doing on purpose, but I haven't had a lot of occasion to have my faith in the writers renewed.


I think you are missing the nuance of this Doctor. Unlike the other actors - Smith does "old" really well. He is more weighed down by the universe and his actions than prior Doctors. Personally I like the change.
 
2012-09-25 03:43:27 PM

gingerjet: Anderson's Pooper: I watched the original Blink again recently and was struck by how little of the doctor we actually see. He pops up in the easter eggs and in one scene crossing the street and then at the end.

As I recall - it was a contract problem. In order to have a Christmas episode - the main actors had to be in one less episode during the main series.


I thought it was due to how much screen time that was required for the family of blood episodes. They could film those episodes at the same time as 'Blink'.
 
2012-09-25 03:58:18 PM

kiwimoogle84: Couldn't Had to look at statues for months.


FTFY


Also - thanks to all for the input on the original Blink. Didn't realize it was a filming issue. Probably the same thing with the ELO episode i suppose.


/ Mmmmmmmm, Sally Sparrow.
 
2012-09-25 04:00:41 PM

enforcerpsu: Mawson of the Antarctic: Who dies? I'm thinking Amy because Rory dying will affect the Doctor a little, but the last couple of episodes called back to "Amelia" Pond and being the girl who waited. They even had custard and fish sticks. Plus it'll mess up River Song too.

Or they'll do that cheat death at the last second BS.

I'm kind of getting tired at how this Doctor is written. He's more madcap and insufferable and then melancholy. Very bipolar. #9 felt more coherent in retrospect. Does 1200 years of life make you a fool or does Moffat... Or is it a dumbing down because it's a "show for children" or an increasingly American audience?

Oh hey look, another matt smith hater. How original.

News flash, they aren't doing anything dramatically different with this doctor than they have done the past 6 years. Doctor who always dodges bullets with fantasy writing. It won't mess anything up and Moffat will cover his tracks like he always does.


Don't get me wrong, I actually think Matt Smith has been the best Doctor in a while in terms of look and character, as mentioned above he does the "Old Doctor in Young Man's Body" thing VERY WELL. I can feel the gravitas of his lifespan radiating off of Matt Smith's performance. However he hasn't been given scripts to fully take advantage of this nuanced skill. Most of the time it's zany or angry, bipolar as I mentioned. There have been great moments like when he's reading the story to young Amy during the whole Pandorica mess. I know he's an actor, but I was convinced he was something alien in those quiet spaces.

The rest feels like slapstick and maybe that's my problem. I want cool adventures and semi-serious exploration of age and time and history, but get bbc buffoonery and wonder for the kids?

For all the silliness, The Eccleston and Tennant Doctors never had this weird push pull with me. I always felt Tennant was unhinged, but the madness of it made it interesting: as he smiled you saw him break up inside and Eccleston was no nonsense.

Sue me, I like grittiness.
 
2012-09-25 04:32:20 PM
unlikely: I am left feeling like he's got two settings, melancholy and manic, and there's little in between.

Tennant was 90% manic. He was unhinged most of the time (or pining over Rose after she left.) And the specials that formed his last season made me despise his time as the Doctor. They were just that bad.

Eccleston was awesome as the traumatised Doctor still recovering from the Time War. There was that hint of joy and wonder in there, but buried down below a lot of guilt. It really is what made episodes like "The Doctor Dances" work.

Tennant could be amazing given the right scripts and I feel the same is with Smith. His scripts have been a bit more mixed (like the revival in general, though Tennant's first season was REALLY well done and the seasons after are more hits than misses.)
 
2012-09-25 04:35:06 PM

mokinokaro: unlikely: I am left feeling like he's got two settings, melancholy and manic, and there's little in between.

Tennant was 90% manic. He was unhinged most of the time (or pining over Rose after she left.) And the specials that formed his last season made me despise his time as the Doctor. They were just that bad.

Eccleston was awesome as the traumatised Doctor still recovering from the Time War. There was that hint of joy and wonder in there, but buried down below a lot of guilt. It really is what made episodes like "The Doctor Dances" work.

Tennant could be amazing given the right scripts and I feel the same is with Smith. His scripts have been a bit more mixed (like the revival in general, though Tennant's first season was REALLY well done and the seasons after are more hits than misses.)


By the time Tennant regenerated, I think most people were happy to see him go. He had a good run, but the writing for him was atrocious near the end. He was just...whiny.

Eccleston was awesome with his completely manic portrayal. I wish he had been willing to do a second season. It's also going to suck that any future multi-Doctor specials probably won't have him.
 
2012-09-25 04:37:16 PM

Mawson of the Antarctic: #9 felt more coherent in retrospect. Does 1200 years of life make you a fool or does Moffat...


I liked 9. Doctor mostly likely to tell someone to feck off and punch them in the face.

Doc 11 seems to be having a slow nervous breakdown. "SEE ALL THE SIGHTS! DO ALL THE THINGS! KEEP COMPANIONS FOREVER!"
 
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