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(ESPN)   "F---- it NFL.. Fine me and use the money to pay the regular refs"   (espn.go.com) divider line 210
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2012-09-25 03:08:24 PM  

seumasokelly: You're rightish, but reversing the final result of a game would open the floodgates every weekend to teams appealing for a reversal and pointing to this game as precedent that their arguments should at least be heard thru some kind of formal process. Lots of time and money wasted all around.


And virtually all games could have different outcomes if every play were called properly. Hell, as many of us have pointed out, were it not for the refs guiding the Packers down the field every drive, the Seahawks wouldn't have needed the Hail Mary to begin with.
 
2012-09-25 03:08:49 PM  

cettin: seumasokelly: cettin: This could have all been avoided if the DB would have just followed the first rule of Hail Marys...

It's possible that he had the Lions-Titans from Sunday in mind. Batted the ball down...right into Titus Young's hands for the game-tying TD.

Point taken, but he was right next to the sideline, spike it out of bounds.


I mean...he caught the ball. Your first thought when you catch the ball isn't, "Crap, they're going to say the other guy caught the ball." Not sure how great of a move it would've been to spike it down either, there was quite the crowd.
 
2012-09-25 03:09:59 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Uzzah: Cagey B: ScotterOtter: The NFL wants to go to a 401k instead of a pension, that is what most companies are doing nowadays.

That alone is worth a strike.

The only real functional difference between a pension and a 401(k) is who bears the risk of market fluctuation. Pension: the employer, 401(k): the employee. Whatever case you'd like to make as to why the employer should be the one who takes it in the shorts when the market goes down can be met with an equally (if not more) compelling argument that the employee should bear that risk.

Employers don't need to offer retirement programs at all. They do so as they feel it keeps them competitive, and is a humane way to get rid of the older workforce that is more expensive and less productive. There are significant age-discrimination barriers companies have to deal with when doing mass layoffs.

Obviously, there is a very strong correlation between markets tanking and performances of companies. If the market tanks while the employer takes the risk, employees can still retire on-time, and companies can still offer early-retirement incentives as a downsizing activity. They have time to fix the pension underfunding problem. If the market tanks while the employee takes the risk, any employee thinking about retiring will not. Now the company has bigger issues and bigger discrimination concerns when trying to plan its layoffs.

The converse holds true as well during good times.

In short, whatever case you'd like to make as to why the employee should be the one who takes it in the shorts when the market goes down can be met with an equally (if not more) compelling argument that the employer should bear that risk.


Welcome to Fark?

That was wayyyyy too smart of a comment for around here. Go back to reading your book NERD!
 
2012-09-25 03:10:14 PM  
The whole country last night:

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-25 03:10:29 PM  

seumasokelly: AdamK: jst3p: AdamK: so basically the reject lingerie refs now have total control of this NFL season since the NFL won't question anything they do

truly we're in for a fun ride down the rabbit hole

Has the NFL ever reversed a decision made in a game? What do you expect them to do?

care about the quality of their product?

You're rightish, but reversing the final result of a game would open the floodgates every weekend to teams appealing for a reversal and pointing to this game as precedent that their arguments should at least be heard thru some kind of formal process. Lots of time and money wasted all around.


i honestly didn't expect them to reverse the win/loss, i just expected them to address the ref lockout and the multitude of flagrantly bad calls and not act as if nothing happened
 
2012-09-25 03:12:06 PM  
 
2012-09-25 03:12:27 PM  
I think the NFL owners and players should use their farking tax cuts to good use.
Get the official refs back on the field.
 
2012-09-25 03:13:00 PM  
Tate's hand is not on the ball yet. Jennings has the ball in two hands and a helmet.

Link
 
2012-09-25 03:13:29 PM  

SithLord: I love the tears of Packers fans today.

Not that I can't admit that bad calls didn't ruin the Cowboys game on Sunday, but it's such an amusement to see Packer's fans crying today.


:/ most packers fans i've seen are more concerned they only scored 12 points

this is more a league-wide biatchfest
 
2012-09-25 03:14:04 PM  
Obama has even joined in the discussion


NFL fans on both sides of the aisle hope the refs' lockout is settled soon. -bo

-
Barack Obama (@BarackObama) September 25, 2012
 
2012-09-25 03:14:14 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-25 03:14:21 PM  

cettin: seumasokelly: cettin: This could have all been avoided if the DB would have just followed the first rule of Hail Marys...

It's possible that he had the Lions-Titans from Sunday in mind. Batted the ball down...right into Titus Young's hands for the game-tying TD.

Point taken, but he was right next to the sideline, spike it out of bounds.


Someone (I forget if it was here or on the TeeVee) pointed out that NY had a similar Hail Mary TD pass that wasn't batted down by GB just before halftime of last year's playoff game. Apparently the GB DBs need to be coached on this.

Of course, I'm sure TD Jennings thought he had done the right thing by catching the ball...
 
2012-09-25 03:15:57 PM  

netweavr: Tate's hand is not on the ball yet. Jennings has the ball in two hands and a helmet.

Link


Tate's hand is on the ball. Jennings lets the ball go through two hands and hits his helmet.
 
2012-09-25 03:16:40 PM  

mainstreet62: FriarReb98: FriarED1: Who had it first doesn't work on fumble recoveries, it's all about who comes up with it. Jennings may have touched the ball a split second before Tate, but they both came down with it together. Jennings was stupid to not bat it down.

It was an interception, not a fumble. You're one of the replacement refs, aren't you?

FRIAR FIGHT!


There was a FRIAR FIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!
 
2012-09-25 03:18:48 PM  

GleeUnit: As a die-hard Seahawks fan


You've suffered enough to hear about this call forever. On behalf of all non-Seahawk fans I'm really sorry.

/Used to live in Seattle.
//Never could bring myself to be a Hawks fan, but loved the tax funded stadium.
 
2012-09-25 03:20:59 PM  

WTF Indeed: thomps: there are entire textbooks filled with massive brands that spiraled into the dustbin of history thanks to mismanagement and hubris.

Brands that had competition and the last time I looked there is only one league where your favorite team plays its games.


The NFL is in competition with every other sport, and more broadly every other leisure activity that wants your discretionary spending, and with every other TV show that wants your viewing. The NFL knows this, and advertisers know this.

The NFL as a business has a lot of inertia because of the multiyear TV contracts, which tends to blind the owners to the impact of bad decisions; but it's not totally immune to short term changes: merchandize is probably about a third of revenue, I guesstimate.
 
2012-09-25 03:21:40 PM  

Dr Dreidel: cettin: seumasokelly: cettin: ***snip***

Someone (I forget if it was here or on the TeeVee) pointed out that NY had a similar Hail Mary TD pass that wasn't batted down by GB just before halftime of last year's playoff game. Apparently the GB DBs need to be coached on this.

Of course, I'm sure TD Jennings thought he had done the right thing by catching the ball...


The only similarity was the end result of TD for the opposition. The Packers didn't even get a hand on the on against the Gmen.
 
2012-09-25 03:23:03 PM  

downstairs: Dafodude: I'm a Seahawks fan and I agree... that's NOT the way I wanted us to win that game. This league is becoming a circus.


I'm a Bears fan.  I hate the Packers.  I want them to lose every game they play.  And I was stone-cold drunk last night.  All that being said... even I would have made the right call.  And did at the time.




Thank you. As a Packers fan I am obligated to hate you and your team. I want the Bears to lose every game they play by the most embarrassing embarrassments that could embarrass a Bear ass.

But those thoughts are for legitimate football plays called correctly. I didn't cheer when Urlacher broke his thumb the other year (although I was a little grateful), and I wouldn't take any particular glee if the Bears were hosed the way my team was. The integrity of the NFL is tarnished by erratic and under-qualified refereeing.

Last night it was my team, but it could have been anyone's. Is this what we, as the cash-spewing fans paying for everything, really want? Hell, no.
 
2012-09-25 03:25:34 PM  

netweavr: Tate's hand is not on the ball yet. Jennings has the ball in two hands and a helmet.

Link


No. You can't say Tates hand isn't yet on the ball.
 
2012-09-25 03:26:51 PM  

jst3p: netweavr: Tate's hand is not on the ball yet. Jennings has the ball in two hands and a helmet.

Link

No. You can't say Tates hand isn't yet on the ball.


You can see between his hand and the ball...
 
2012-09-25 03:28:08 PM  
You want to hurt the NFL? Don't watch the game on Thursday night. Be a discerning viewer and realize that Ravens vs. Browns is a bowl of shiat, and you don't have to watch it just because the NFL tells you it's chocolate ice cream.
 
2012-09-25 03:28:29 PM  

FriarED1: babysealclubber: NightOwl2255: No surprise, the NFL says it was a good call, and the call stands.

The call should stand, you don't want to start going down that path.


However, it was a blown call. Even if you argue that Tate had control, Jennings had it first, and that is all that matters.

Who had it first doesn't work on fumble recoveries, it's all about who comes up with it. Jennings may have touched the ball a split second before Tate, but they both came down with it together. Jennings was stupid to not bat it down.


Wut?!?
 
2012-09-25 03:30:58 PM  
Thanks for all the zapruder film style dissection guys. But that was an interception.

Still though - you gotta live with the results. Bad calls happen.
 
2012-09-25 03:32:58 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Thanks for all the zapruder film style dissection guys. But that was an interception.

Still though - you gotta live with the results. Bad calls happen.


This.
 
2012-09-25 03:35:06 PM  

IAmRight: seumasokelly: You're rightish, but reversing the final result of a game would open the floodgates every weekend to teams appealing for a reversal and pointing to this game as precedent that their arguments should at least be heard thru some kind of formal process. Lots of time and money wasted all around.

And virtually all games could have different outcomes if every play were called properly. Hell, as many of us have pointed out, were it not for the refs guiding the Packers down the field every drive, the Seahawks wouldn't have needed the Hail Mary to begin with.


Sort of like the final Seattle drive with the BS roughing the passer? Ya know, the one where Russel threw the interception?

Like that one?
 
rka
2012-09-25 03:37:08 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: You want to hurt the NFL? Don't watch the game on Thursday night. Be a discerning viewer and realize that Ravens vs. Browns is a bowl of shiat, and you don't have to watch it just because the NFL tells you it's chocolate ice cream.


The NFL already has their broadcast/advertising money. It's going to take more than a single protest boycott to get the advertisers to re-negotiate their rates with the networks and thus the networks to re-negotiate with the NFL.
 
2012-09-25 03:39:30 PM  
Would it be feasible to organize a nationwide boycott of all Week 4 NFL games?
 
2012-09-25 03:40:32 PM  
To be honest this is a little hollow. None of the players seemed to mind when the Pittsburgh-Oakland game got so out of control thanks to poor officiating that Ryan Mundy felt like he could try to paralyze Hayward-Bey with a helmet-to-helmet hit. That was one of the dirtiest hits I've seen in the NFL in a long time, and Mundy didn't even get flagged for it! If I were the players' association I'd be leaning hard on the NFL and saying, "You want to improve health and safety conditions? Here's a start..."
 
2012-09-25 03:41:06 PM  

SlothB77: Would it be feasible to organize a nationwide boycott of all Week 4 NFL games?


no. and that's why the nfl doesn't care. unless people stop watching they will continue to be douchenozzles.
 
2012-09-25 03:43:15 PM  

babysealclubber: JohnBigBootay: Thanks for all the zapruder film style dissection guys. But that was an interception.

Still though - you gotta live with the results. Bad calls happen.

This.


Yeah, as a Pack fan who lost his shiat last night, This. We just have to be angry at how it happened so the rules concerning it get changed. If you want to call us butt hurt or enjoy the taste of our non existent tears, then go ahead. But realize that our fan base being outraged by this call will pressure the NFL to both change the rules to make the outcome of this play clearer, and help end the lock out.

Both of which improve the game.

So yeah, be in denial of what should have happened for no reason. Or show sportsmanship (which some have done) so we can get past this.
 
2012-09-25 03:45:17 PM  

jst3p: netweavr: jst3p: netweavr: ***snip***


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To the point of your post: 25.media.tumblr.com


To the second pic: www.lolblog.co.uk
 
2012-09-25 03:47:51 PM  

SlothB77: Would it be feasible to organize a nationwide boycott of all Week 4 NFL games?


Hell naw. I'd be surprised if ratings weren't actually up. I watch the steelers and whomever else catches my fancy in my downtime on Sunday. I'm damn sure not going to alter that while the NFL deals with an internal matter. I'd rather have the old guys back but at the end of the day it's a freakin' tv choice, not life or death. I'm not boycotting shiat - it's nowhere near important enough to be frank. And I have to say I find all this referee crap to be sort of fun to watch unfold. It's not if they'll be back, it's when. In the meantime I am enjoying the hell out of the show. My team lost a close game this week - there were bad calls in that game but I have no idea if we'd have won otherwise. Fact is my team still could have won if they'd played better but they didn't so we lost. If there's one thing I don't understand about all this stuff it's the seemingly sincere anger about what is ultimately just an entertainment option.
 
2012-09-25 03:48:44 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: You want to hurt the NFL? Don't watch the game on Thursday night. Be a discerning viewer and realize that Ravens vs. Browns is a bowl of shiat, and you don't have to watch it just because the NFL tells you it's chocolate ice cream.


NFLN is not now, nor will it ever be, on basic cable. Protesting that particular game is practically pointless, since its audience is so relatively small compared to even a regular Sunday afternoon audience.

And for that matter, not watching only changes ratings, it doesn't hurt them directly until bad ratings causes multiple sponsors to pull out.
 
2012-09-25 03:53:33 PM  

netweavr: You really trying to compare a static image balance a ball to one depicting the act of catching a thrown football?



What I am saying is that your assertion that his hand is not touching the ball because you can see daylight is incorrect.
 
2012-09-25 03:56:12 PM  

roc6783: Dr Dreidel: cettin: seumasokelly: cettin: ***snip***

Someone (I forget if it was here or on the TeeVee) pointed out that NY had a similar Hail Mary TD pass that wasn't batted down by GB just before halftime of last year's playoff game. Apparently the GB DBs need to be coached on this.

Of course, I'm sure TD Jennings thought he had done the right thing by catching the ball...

The only similarity was the end result of TD for the opposition. The Packers didn't even get a hand on the on against the Gmen.


I don't remember the specific NY/GB play. I was bringing it up because it seemed from that retelling that the GB DBs weren't specifically going for a bat-down, they were looking for the pick and treating that pass like any other. Does the replay not show that?

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. My Ravens will still play the Browns on Thursday, and the Potatoes will still have determined at least 33% of the playoff field after this weekend.

// they get their own team name
// every game this year will be one team playing against two
 
2012-09-25 03:56:18 PM  

jst3p: netweavr: You really trying to compare a static image balance a ball to one depicting the act of catching a thrown football?



What I am saying is that your assertion that his hand is not touching the ball because you can see daylight is incorrect.


Fingertips may be argued, fingertips are not a hand. You don't see medical reports saying packed a hand in ice to be reattached when some guy cuts off his fingers with a bandsaw
 
2012-09-25 03:56:28 PM  
A second Seattle touchdown has struck the south tower!
 
2012-09-25 03:57:18 PM  

thecpt: We just have to be angry at how it happened so the rules concerning it get changed.


I don't think that's necessary. If the regular refs were calling that play there's not a chance in hell the original ruling on the field would have been touchdown so everything would have unfolded entirely differently.
 
2012-09-25 03:59:48 PM  

Babboonrash: IAmRight: seumasokelly: You're rightish, but reversing the final result of a game would open the floodgates every weekend to teams appealing for a reversal and pointing to this game as precedent that their arguments should at least be heard thru some kind of formal process. Lots of time and money wasted all around.

And virtually all games could have different outcomes if every play were called properly. Hell, as many of us have pointed out, were it not for the refs guiding the Packers down the field every drive, the Seahawks wouldn't have needed the Hail Mary to begin with.

Sort of like the final Seattle drive with the BS roughing the passer? Ya know, the one where Russel threw the interception?

Like that one?


Exactly like that. It was a clusterf*ck all around.
 
2012-09-25 03:59:55 PM  
One of the stickin points - Goodell wants unilateral ability to bench 'underperforming' refs for the replacement refs. The union wants a neutral review of that decision and a neutral arbiter of appeals.

And they're absolutely right. The players were idiots for allowing Goodell to retain absolute power over their ability to play, get paid, and lose pay - with no one but Goodell as to appeal to. The refs would be idiots to agree to the same. Hochuli's a successful attorney. There's no way in hell he let's the livelihood of the refs be held in the hands of the commissioner with no neutral review.

Also, I heard on espn that the refs agreed to allow the pension to phase out with new refs.
 
2012-09-25 04:02:54 PM  
Why not just boycott the Thursday night games on NFL Network, unless it's your team playing. Viewers in only two markets each week won't help the nationwide ratings.
 
2012-09-25 04:03:28 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I don't think that's necessary. If the regular refs were calling that play there's not a chance in hell the original ruling on the field would have been touchdown so everything would have unfolded entirely differently.


Definitely could not agree more. What I meant with the other point is that the rule that they had to confer and say no call before the review, and that the challenge could only challenge if it was a catch after the first mistake. Change those. Or even clearer wording on simultaneous catch, because hell no the nfl can't say that was right and point to how it is worded.

NFL needs to save face somehow, and they have done nothing right with this so far.
 
2012-09-25 04:03:45 PM  

rka: Yanks_RSJ: You want to hurt the NFL? Don't watch the game on Thursday night. Be a discerning viewer and realize that Ravens vs. Browns is a bowl of shiat, and you don't have to watch it just because the NFL tells you it's chocolate ice cream.

The NFL already has their broadcast/advertising money. It's going to take more than a single protest boycott to get the advertisers to re-negotiate their rates with the networks and thus the networks to re-negotiate with the NFL.


You have to start somewhere. I realize a widespread boycott isn't really feasible, but maybe if people actually thought about what it is they're watching before saying "FOOTBALL FOOTBALL FOOTBALL" the league would eventually take note. You don't have to watch a game just because it's on and the NFL is presenting it.
 
2012-09-25 04:04:07 PM  

Dr Dreidel: roc6783: Dr Dreidel: cettin: seumasokelly: cettin: ***snip***

Someone (I forget if it was here or on the TeeVee) pointed out that NY had a similar Hail Mary TD pass that wasn't batted down by GB just before halftime of last year's playoff game. Apparently the GB DBs need to be coached on this.

Of course, I'm sure TD Jennings thought he had done the right thing by catching the ball...

The only similarity was the end result of TD for the opposition. The Packers didn't even get a hand on the on against the Gmen.

I don't remember the specific NY/GB play. I was bringing it up because it seemed from that retelling that the GB DBs weren't specifically going for a bat-down, they were looking for the pick and treating that pass like any other. Does the replay not show that?

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. My Ravens will still play the Browns on Thursday, and the Potatoes will still have determined at least 33% of the playoff field after this weekend.

// they get their own team name
// every game this year will be one team playing against two


I hope the Potatoes make the Potato Bowl.
 
2012-09-25 04:09:40 PM  

NightOwl2255: Hey, finally found a single person that knows anything about football that says the call was correct.
During his weekly radio appearance Tuesday morning on KIRO-AM in Seattle, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said he understands why there is so much outrage about the call that awarded Tate a touchdown. But he said the call ruling it a simultaneous catch, which awards the reception to the offense, was correct.

Well, that clears that up.


At least Pete Carroll paid Reggie Bush a lot better than the NFL Refs were getting paid....
 
2012-09-25 04:11:55 PM  

JerryCallo: Viewers in only two markets each week won't help the nationwide ratings.


Plus the local markets show the game on a local broadcast affiliate because Thursday (and Monday) night games are on cable.
 
2012-09-25 04:12:13 PM  

JerryCallo: Why not just boycott the Thursday night games on NFL Network, unless it's your team playing. Viewers in only two markets each week won't help the nationwide ratings.


Ding Ding we have a winner!

Stop watching....the ratings go down...the ad sponsors will want money back for ad $$...TV networks go after NFL....this would force the NFL to get the Real Refs back....and this process would move very quickly
 
2012-09-25 04:15:59 PM  

JohnBigBootay: SlothB77: Would it be feasible to organize a nationwide boycott of all Week 4 NFL games?

Hell naw. I'd be surprised if ratings weren't actually up.


I know some people who are watching the games just for the replacement official lols.

Also, bars and restaurants won't participate in a football boycott. Not to mention the effect it would have on fantasy/ survivor leagues.
 
2012-09-25 04:19:42 PM  
So when does the NCAA start moving some of their high profile college football matches over to a Sunday afternoon slot?
 
2012-09-25 04:19:59 PM  

SlothB77: I know some people who are watching the games just for the replacement official lols.

Also, bars and restaurants won't participate in a football boycott. Not to mention the effect it would have on fantasy/ survivor leagues.



Yeah. I'm sure there is SOMETHING that would make the nation boycott the NFL to the extent they'd feel it. But this ain't it and I can't think of what it would take. Their ultimate job is to put on a show people will watch. Frankly they are fulfilling that mandate just fine.
 
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