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2012-09-25 11:02:14 AM
It was one of those moments where you realize you are witnessing sports history. There have been a lot of farked up calls, but this was the first that was a game deciding last call....and the Packers actually came back on the field for the kick? Plus you had Michael McCarthy carrying the water in the post game. Sheeeeeit. Enough with the twitter feeds, you coulda probably ended this lockout with a few more direct tactics last night.
 
2012-09-25 11:14:43 AM
The problem is no one will care tomorrow. The NFL knows that when push comes to shove football fans will still sit down every Sunday/Monday and watch football no matter the quality of the product, because the NFL is less a sport and more a brand.
 
2012-09-25 11:18:56 AM
I'm a Seahawks fan and I agree... that's NOT the way I wanted us to win that game. This league is becoming a circus.
 
2012-09-25 11:51:50 AM
Be careful what you wish for, T.J. That might be the answer to the lockout: have the players association pay the officials.
 
2012-09-25 11:52:27 AM

WTF Indeed: The problem is no one will care tomorrow. The NFL knows that when push comes to shove football fans will still sit down every Sunday/Monday and watch football no matter the quality of the product, because the NFL is less a sport and more a brand.



From ESPN:
 
Oddsmaker Danny Sheridan, who sets the lines for USA Today, had the highest estimate of those surveyed by ESPN.com. Sheridan said Tuesday morning that he believes that $1 billion in total money changed hands with the touchdown call. 
 
I'm thinking some people out there will care tomorrow.
 
2012-09-25 11:53:52 AM

WTF Indeed: The problem is no one will care tomorrow. The NFL knows that when push comes to shove football fans will still sit down every Sunday/Monday and watch football no matter the quality of the product, because the NFL is less a sport and more a brand.


there are entire textbooks filled with massive brands that spiraled into the dustbin of history thanks to mismanagement and hubris.
 
2012-09-25 11:55:45 AM

Dafodude: I'm a Seahawks fan and I agree... that's NOT the way I wanted us to win that game. This league is becoming a circus.



I'm a Bears fan.  I hate the Packers.  I want them to lose every game they play.  And I was stone-cold drunk last night.  All that being said... even I would have made the right call.  And did at the time.
 
2012-09-25 11:58:01 AM

thomps: there are entire textbooks filled with massive brands that spiraled into the dustbin of history thanks to mismanagement and hubris.


Brands that had competition and the last time I looked there is only one league where your favorite team plays its games.

downstairs: From ESPN:
 
Oddsmaker Danny Sheridan, who sets the lines for USA Today, had the highest estimate of those surveyed by ESPN.com. Sheridan said Tuesday morning that he believes that $1 billion in total money changed hands with the touchdown call. 
 
I'm thinking some people out there will care tomorrow.


When a professional sports league begins to even appear to care what effects gamblers they get a knock on the door from the friendly Congressional lawyer.
 
2012-09-25 12:04:27 PM

WTF Indeed: downstairs: From ESPN:

Oddsmaker Danny Sheridan, who sets the lines for USA Today, had the highest estimate of those surveyed by ESPN.com. Sheridan said Tuesday morning that he believes that $1 billion in total money changed hands with the touchdown call.

I'm thinking some people out there will care tomorrow.

When a professional sports league begins to even appear to care what effects gamblers they get a knock on the door from the friendly Congressional lawyer.



To be fair, my post had nothing to say about how the NFL feels about gambling on their games.  I was just referencing your comment about no one caring about it tomorrow.
 
Yeah, some $700,000-ish (an estimate from multiple sources) lost on that call... some people are going to care.
 
Take it for whatever you will... not pushing an opinion on sports gambling here.
 
2012-09-25 12:05:29 PM

WTF Indeed: Brands that had competition and the last time I looked there is only one league where your favorite team plays its games.


for sure, i'll probably continue to watch bears games, but i'm at the point now where i don't care enough to watch other games. i'd assume that if that became a trend, it would be enough to severely hurt the nfl's revenues and brand.
 
2012-09-25 12:08:48 PM

downstairs: Yeah, some $700,000-ish (an estimate from multiple sources) lost on that call... some people are going to care.


Who gives a fark about what a bunch of degenerates who gamble on sports think? If they can't pay their bookies then they deserve all the broken bones they get.
 
2012-09-25 12:10:39 PM

thomps: WTF Indeed: Brands that had competition and the last time I looked there is only one league where your favorite team plays its games.

for sure, i'll probably continue to watch bears games, but i'm at the point now where i don't care enough to watch other games. i'd assume that if that became a trend, it would be enough to severely hurt the nfl's revenues and brand.



On the converse, I tuned in last night merely to see how bad the refs could be.  Turns out I got quite the show!
 
2012-09-25 12:11:47 PM

thomps: for sure, i'll probably continue to watch bears games, but i'm at the point now where i don't care enough to watch other games. i'd assume that if that became a trend, it would be enough to severely hurt the nfl's revenues and brand.


And my point is made.
 
2012-09-25 12:20:35 PM

WTF Indeed: thomps: for sure, i'll probably continue to watch bears games, but i'm at the point now where i don't care enough to watch other games. i'd assume that if that became a trend, it would be enough to severely hurt the nfl's revenues and brand.

And my point is made.


was your point that there is a baseline viewership that the nfl will probably not fall below in the near-term, even if that baseline is miles below the viewership it has been enjoying for a few decades now? because that doesn't seem to be a very optimistic point.
 
2012-09-25 12:24:14 PM

WTF Indeed: The problem is no one will care tomorrow. The NFL knows that when push comes to shove football fans will still sit down every Sunday/Monday and watch football no matter the quality of the product, because the NFL is less a sport and more a brand.


And a performance art.
 
2012-09-25 12:31:53 PM
Unfortunately, this isn't the WWE or the NBA, where they control the outcome in advance.
 
2012-09-25 12:35:50 PM

thomps: was your point that there is a baseline viewership that the nfl will probably not fall below in the near-term, even if that baseline is miles below the viewership it has been enjoying for a few decades now? because that doesn't seem to be a very optimistic point.


NFL owners make season tickets holders pay $20k for the pleasure of buying season tickets from them. Do you really think that they care that you'll only watch one game a week instead of four?
 
2012-09-25 12:39:23 PM
So can we award The Jake to the replacement refs? I think they deserve a nomination at least.
 
2012-09-25 12:44:24 PM

WTF Indeed: thomps: was your point that there is a baseline viewership that the nfl will probably not fall below in the near-term, even if that baseline is miles below the viewership it has been enjoying for a few decades now? because that doesn't seem to be a very optimistic point.

NFL owners make season tickets holders pay $20k for the pleasure of buying season tickets from them. Do you really think that they care that you'll only watch one game a week instead of four?


yes, i do think that owners will care about lost revenues. if their business is as bullet-proof as you think it is, they shouldn't think twice about continuing to honor their pension agreement with the refs.
 
2012-09-25 01:19:23 PM

scottydoesntknow: So can we award The Jake to the replacement refs? I think they deserve a nomination at least.


I second that. What was the name of that line judge, he deserves his own award for horrible refereeing.
 
2012-09-25 02:07:40 PM

thomps: yes, i do think that owners will care about lost revenues. if their business is as bullet-proof as you think it is, they shouldn't think twice about continuing to honor their pension agreement with the refs.


Unless they're greedy farks, sure.
 
2012-09-25 02:16:17 PM
wow I didn't know Drew Brees, Reggie Bush, Tony Gonzalez and Arian Foster, among others, were all Packers fans!
 
2012-09-25 02:16:55 PM
As a die-hard Seahawks fan, that call was bullshiat. That was not a catch, or a simultaneous catch, or anything else besides an interception. We lost that game.

I was just listening to the radio on the way to the game yesterday and heard them talking about how it was likely necessary for a clear, game-altering, outcome-deciding call to be botched before the NFL's and Goodell's hand to be forced into dealing with the ref issue. Well, here it is. Farking deal with it. Some things ought to matter more than a few bucks (and a relative pittance) in the nearly $10B business that is the NFL.

/I will still tremendously enjoy greeting my Wisconsin-born-and-raised coworker with the Discount Double-Check every time I see him today
 
2012-09-25 02:17:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: So can we award The Jake to the replacement refs? I think they deserve a nomination at least.


Sounds like the running is:

1: Potato refs.
2: Denard Robinson.
3: Cam Newton (and Cam's a distant 3rd)
 
2012-09-25 02:17:31 PM

FriarReb98: scottydoesntknow: So can we award The Jake to the replacement refs? I think they deserve a nomination at least.

I second that. What was the name of that line judge, he deserves his own award for horrible refereeing.


I propose we call it the Coulibaly-PLACEHOLDER Lifetime Achievement Award.

/Packers fan that attended the game.
 
2012-09-25 02:17:48 PM
In before 16 1\2 comes in to say that the score is proof it was a good call.
 
2012-09-25 02:18:25 PM

WTF Indeed: downstairs: Yeah, some $700,000-ish (an estimate from multiple sources) lost on that call... some people are going to care.

Who gives a fark about what a bunch of degenerates who gamble on sports think? If they can't pay their bookies then they deserve all the broken bones they get.


I say that about all the losers that complain about fantasy sports leauges. I gamble but I do so with money I can afford to lose and nobody should give a damn about my losses. Likewise I don't give a damn who idiots choose to start each week in their fantasy leagues.
 
2012-09-25 02:19:18 PM
No surprise, the NFL says it was a good call, and the call stands.
 
2012-09-25 02:21:55 PM
Hey, finally found a single person that knows anything about football that says the call was correct.
During his weekly radio appearance Tuesday morning on KIRO-AM in Seattle, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said he understands why there is so much outrage about the call that awarded Tate a touchdown. But he said the call ruling it a simultaneous catch, which awards the reception to the offense, was correct.

Well, that clears that up.
 
2012-09-25 02:22:06 PM
Weird how no one is covering what the NFL and refs are actually negotiating. The NFL offered raises, the refs want double that. The NFL wants to go to a 401k instead of a pension, that is what most companies are doing nowadays. The NFL wants additional crews so they have the ability to bench under-performing refs, I think that is a good idea. The NFL wants to phase in full-time refs so they can focus solely on football instead of selling insurance. I don't see how this is unreasonable.
 
2012-09-25 02:22:58 PM

NightOwl2255: No surprise, the NFL says it was a good call, and the call stands.


The call should stand, you don't want to start going down that path.


However, it was a blown call. Even if you argue that Tate had control, Jennings had it first, and that is all that matters.
 
2012-09-25 02:23:51 PM

ScotterOtter: Weird how no one is covering what the NFL and refs are actually negotiating. The NFL offered raises, the refs want double that. The NFL wants to go to a 401k instead of a pension, that is what most companies are doing nowadays. The NFL wants additional crews so they have the ability to bench under-performing refs, I think that is a good idea. The NFL wants to phase in full-time refs so they can focus solely on football instead of selling insurance. I don't see how this is unreasonable.


If they want to bench under-performing refs, they can start with the scabs

Also, dramatic difference between a 401k and a pension.
 
2012-09-25 02:24:40 PM

babysealclubber: The call should stand, you don't want to start going down that path.


Yep, not sure what people expected to happen. Like Goodell was going to say that it was a bad call and overturn the result of the game.

He's going to hold up the company line and hope everyone forgets about it.
 
2012-09-25 02:25:37 PM
You know what's funny? An offensive lineman who allowed 9 sacks and scored only 12 points (6 of which were referee aided) blaming the refs for the loss and telling Seattle that it has "no integrity as a man" and should be "embarrassed". Aim yo r anger elsewhere sir, the Seahawks are not afforded the right to call TDs and penalties.
 
2012-09-25 02:26:11 PM

ddam: WTF Indeed: downstairs: Yeah, some $700,000-ish (an estimate from multiple sources) lost on that call... some people are going to care.

Who gives a fark about what a bunch of degenerates who gamble on sports think? If they can't pay their bookies then they deserve all the broken bones they get.

I say that about all the losers that complain about fantasy sports leauges. I gamble but I do so with money I can afford to lose and nobody should give a damn about my losses. Likewise I don't give a damn who idiots choose to start each week in their fantasy leagues.


stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpeg
 
2012-09-25 02:26:52 PM
yeah the charities that the fines go to are going to make a killing off this season...
 
2012-09-25 02:29:57 PM
Well to summarize, hats off to Golden Tate for making one of the greatest catches in NFL history.

And hats off to the refs for letting them play, and not calling the obvious Pass Interference on the Packers when they mugged Charley Martin.

And I'm sure that Clay Matthews is thanking the refs for not calling his obvious late hit on the QB, #whew!
 
2012-09-25 02:29:57 PM
How about Gov. Walker being for the Ref's union? That had to be the best tweet of them all.
 
2012-09-25 02:30:10 PM
Didn't Clay Matthews put up Goodell's number on facebook?
 
2012-09-25 02:31:01 PM

WTF Indeed: The problem is no one will care tomorrow. The NFL knows that when push comes to shove football fans will still sit down every Sunday/Monday and watch football no matter the quality of the product, because the NFL is less a sport and more a brand.


I will care. I'm not enjoying watching any football this year, and last night's game was the last straw. I decided midway thru the 4th quarter that I was not going to watch ANY more NFL, nor buy their advertisers' products, nor buy any NFL branded merchandise until this is fixed. It's unwatchable, and there are LOTS of other places I can spend my money.
 
2012-09-25 02:31:13 PM
You know who is smiling right now? Brian France, president of NASCAR. See, he instituted this whole Chase format to compete with football. At this point the NFL is doing a damn good job of shooting itself in the foot to the point that everybody will start tuning into NASCAR to see a sport where it is blatantly obvious the rules are bent in one team's favor, instead of waiting to see what the officials are going to do.
 
2012-09-25 02:31:40 PM

ScotterOtter: Weird how no one is covering what the NFL and refs are actually negotiating. The NFL offered raises, the refs want double that. The NFL wants to go to a 401k instead of a pension, that is what most companies are doing nowadays. The NFL wants additional crews so they have the ability to bench under-performing refs, I think that is a good idea. The NFL wants to phase in full-time refs so they can focus solely on football instead of selling insurance. I don't see how this is unreasonable.


Not that I disagree, especially with the ability to bench crews(that would be good), but how can we talk shiat to the refs as they are not on strike, they are locked out. I'm not overly familiar with the situation, but I'm guessing they would have striked anyway, but the league committed a huge blunder with preemption.
 
2012-09-25 02:32:57 PM
 
2012-09-25 02:33:57 PM
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2012-09-25 02:34:26 PM

Klivian: Also, dramatic difference between a 401k and a pension.


Oh there is, and I actually think they should at least scale back pensions from what is, for the most part, the world's most publicized weekend job in the world. I think the main problem in this is that there are probably quite a few CPA's and other financial types in the ranks of the real refs who realize first hand how horribly 401ks are failing right now.

In negotiations like this, there's no way any sensible party in the grieved side of things will ever want to give up existing money, and that's pretty much what the league wants to do. But seeing as we're talking about the side led by a guy who thinks football will catch on in a place where its marquee matchups happen at 1:00 AM local time on work nights, it doesn't surprise me that that fact is lost on them.

Bottom line - Goodell needs to realize he's reached the point of maximum sympathy from the public and his constituency for his side of things and negotiate NOW before the next bad play happens on a national broadcast, further alienating his position.
 
2012-09-25 02:34:53 PM

downstairs: I'm a Bears fan.


I'm sorry.
 
2012-09-25 02:35:39 PM
I find it hilarious that Aaron Curry is the one who offers advice to players on what to do on the field. This is the same Aaron Curry who has arguably the lowest football IQ of any NFL player I have ever watched. (Curry's advice here is correct, although I have no doubt that he would have done the wrong thing in a live-game situation. Actually he probably would have been far from the play, picking his nose.)

Also, Darnell Dockett's opinion on anything Seahawk-related doesn't count. Dude's been baiting the team and its fans since he came into the league.
 
2012-09-25 02:35:44 PM

babysealclubber: Didn't Clay Matthews put up Goodell's number on facebook?


Fake account.
 
2012-09-25 02:35:50 PM

babysealclubber: ddam: WTF Indeed: downstairs: Yeah, some $700,000-ish (an estimate from multiple sources) lost on that call... some people are going to care.

Who gives a fark about what a bunch of degenerates who gamble on sports think? If they can't pay their bookies then they deserve all the broken bones they get.

I say that about all the losers that complain about fantasy sports leauges. I gamble but I do so with money I can afford to lose and nobody should give a damn about my losses. Likewise I don't give a damn who idiots choose to start each week in their fantasy leagues.

stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpeg


Way to miss the point. It's not that I don't like fantasy sports leagues. I just don't care about them just like other people don't care what gamblers have to say.

Personally I think fantasy sports leagues have affected the way fans view team sports and a lot of fans now care more about individual stats than the role of a player on a team. For example, Fitzgerald was attacked quite a bit during the first two weeks for not putting up the numbers fantasy "owners" expected out of him when they drafted but if you watched the game, opposing teams did everything in their power to stop him which created opportunities for the other players on the team.
 
2012-09-25 02:36:26 PM

ScotterOtter: The NFL wants to go to a 401k instead of a pension, that is what most companies are doing nowadays.


That alone is worth a strike. Pension: "I can plan on retiring at some point in my life." 401(k): "Boy, I hope the stock market performs well enough so that I can buy an annuity that will cover three tins of cat food a day! Good thing the markets never tank at inopportune times!"

The fact that most companies are offering ridiculous retirement plans is an indicator of most companies being controlled by greedy f*ck shareholders and corporate executives. Good for the refs for being one of the few segments of society willing to stand up for its future.

More games like the scab refs gave us last night, and people are going to discover that college football is better officiated and better to watch, and the owners are going to regret not chiselling off a little of their massive revenue stream to pay their goddamn employees.
 
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