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(The Verge)   Google exec refutes Google engineer, says Google Maps app will not made available to iPhone users. This is apparently what happens when you want to give your users turn-based directions   (theverge.com) divider line 30
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2012-09-25 10:56:30 AM
This is called your chickens coming home to roost.

/anyone want some sour grapes to munch on while reading this thread?
 
2012-09-25 10:57:18 AM
Google quickly produced a standalone YouTube app for iOS when they lost Apple's preinstalled app. Google makes many other apps for iOS. There is going to be a Google Maps app.
 
2012-09-25 11:05:00 AM
NOT updating my iP4 for exactly this reason.

Looking into a Driod for my upgrade later this year. After 4 years iOS has gotten boring.
 
2012-09-25 11:06:59 AM

Flashfyr3: NOT updating my iP4 for exactly this reason.

Looking into a Driod for my upgrade later this year. After 4 years iOS has gotten boring.


There all boring really.
 
2012-09-25 11:12:42 AM
how is subby formed?

/ o I c! I no how to get thread g rene lited know!
 
2012-09-25 11:13:14 AM
This thread could go one of two ways, although considering we've had several of these in just the last two days I'm guessing it'll be the tamer of the two.
 
2012-09-25 11:15:58 AM
my iPad came up last night with the "There's an iOS 6 upgrade" notice. fark no, why remove a third of the functionality I use the iPad for in the first place?
 
2012-09-25 11:25:45 AM

Nem Wan: Google quickly produced a standalone YouTube app for iOS when they lost Apple's preinstalled app. Google makes many other apps for iOS. There is going to be a Google Maps app.


Google makes a lot more money from Youtube than from Maps. Also Apple will ban any app that they feel replicates a feature built into the OS. I doubt the would block Google Maps but you never know. Google gains more from now having a killer feature on Android that iOS lacks than by creating a maps app for iOS.
 
2012-09-25 11:26:58 AM

Flappyhead: This thread could go one of two ways, although considering we've had several of these in just the last two days I'm guessing it'll be the tamer of the two.


SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE iFANBOY
 
2012-09-25 11:29:14 AM
i.imgur.com

/nothin'
 
2012-09-25 11:37:19 AM

zedster: Nem Wan: Google quickly produced a standalone YouTube app for iOS when they lost Apple's preinstalled app. Google makes many other apps for iOS. There is going to be a Google Maps app.

Google makes a lot more money from Youtube than from Maps. Also Apple will ban any app that they feel replicates a feature built into the OS. I doubt the would block Google Maps but you never know. Google gains more from now having a killer feature on Android that iOS lacks than by creating a maps app for iOS.


I agree there is no upside for Google for producing a stand-alone map app for IOS. But, if they do make one, Apple won't ban it. Map Quest has an IOS app that had the missing feature everyone wanted: vocal turn by turn directions, and it has lived along side the default mapping app with no problems.
 
2012-09-25 11:45:30 AM

sprawl15: Flappyhead: This thread could go one of two ways, although considering we've had several of these in just the last two days I'm guessing it'll be the tamer of the two.

SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE iFANBOY


Not in the slightest, but the last few threads have been filled with so much rage/butthurt/trolling I don't think there's any good stuff left.
 
2012-09-25 11:58:25 AM
Finally ditched my iPhone for an Android phone and I'm super glad I did. Plus Google's turn by turn navigation app is excellent. I can't imagine paying for turn-by-turn direction service any more.
 
2012-09-25 12:10:35 PM

Flappyhead: sprawl15: Flappyhead: This thread could go one of two ways, although considering we've had several of these in just the last two days I'm guessing it'll be the tamer of the two.

SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE iFANBOY

Not in the slightest, but the last few threads have been filled with so much rage/butthurt/trolling I don't think there's any good stuff left.


The other thread is still being trolled even. Dude woke up to troll. That's dedication, or something.
 
2012-09-25 12:23:21 PM

KierzanDax: zedster: Nem Wan: Google quickly produced a standalone YouTube app for iOS when they lost Apple's preinstalled app. Google makes many other apps for iOS. There is going to be a Google Maps app.

Google makes a lot more money from Youtube than from Maps. Also Apple will ban any app that they feel replicates a feature built into the OS. I doubt the would block Google Maps but you never know. Google gains more from now having a killer feature on Android that iOS lacks than by creating a maps app for iOS.

I agree there is no upside for Google for producing a stand-alone map app for IOS. But, if they do make one, Apple won't ban it. Map Quest has an IOS app that had the missing feature everyone wanted: vocal turn by turn directions, and it has lived along side the default mapping app with no problems.


But when the MapQuest app was released there wasn't a native turn by turn app for the iPhone, now that that's changed it seems less likely they'll allow an app that directly competes with one of their biggest additions their OS.
 
2012-09-25 12:26:00 PM
It would be nice if you could rollback an upgrade. Someone upgraded one of our iPads at work that we use for testing and it sucks there's no way to get it back to 5.
 
2012-09-25 12:52:15 PM

KierzanDax: I agree there is no upside for Google for producing a stand-alone map app for IOS. But, if they do make one, Apple won't ban it. Map Quest has an IOS app that had the missing feature everyone wanted: vocal turn by turn directions, and it has lived along side the default mapping app with no problems.


Google aren't going to make an app, because Google want either ad revenue, or user data and if they do an app, it will have to go to the store which either means that the user data will get scrutinised by Apple (and then potentially rejected) or if they go the ad route, they have to share revenue. The browser-based solution is better for Google.

Also, Apple's scrutiny process has a history of inconsistencies. Swimwear shop app? Banned for adult material. Playboy? That's fine.
 
2012-09-25 12:58:16 PM
I'll be happy if Google fixes Maps so that it doesn't cause my Rezound to fly into a boot loop after 30 seconds.

First time I've had any sort of problem like that with any first-party app. 30 seconds, flash to bootstrap, and when the phone comes back up I've got no radios beyond basic CDMA - no BT, no WiFi, no LTE, nothing. Really odd. Only started when the upgraded Maps into its current incarnation.

/they might have fixed it already
//haven't tried it in a few weeks
 
2012-09-25 01:42:09 PM
1. Open Chrome
2. Type "google.com/maps"
3. Profit
 
2012-09-25 01:53:52 PM

mrmyxolodian: 1. Open Chrome
2. Type "google.com/maps"
3. Profit


WHAR TURN-BY-TURN NAVIGATION WHAR?
 
2012-09-25 01:55:16 PM

Kuroshin: I'll be happy if Google fixes Maps so that it doesn't cause my Rezound to fly into a boot loop after 30 seconds.

First time I've had any sort of problem like that with any first-party app. 30 seconds, flash to bootstrap, and when the phone comes back up I've got no radios beyond basic CDMA - no BT, no WiFi, no LTE, nothing. Really odd. Only started when the upgraded Maps into its current incarnation.

/they might have fixed it already
//haven't tried it in a few weeks


Okay, yeah, they fixed it. Nevermind.
 
2012-09-25 05:13:09 PM
Google Earth exists for iPhone.
 
2012-09-25 07:29:03 PM

farkeruk: KierzanDax: I agree there is no upside for Google for producing a stand-alone map app for IOS. But, if they do make one, Apple won't ban it. Map Quest has an IOS app that had the missing feature everyone wanted: vocal turn by turn directions, and it has lived along side the default mapping app with no problems.

Google aren't going to make an app, because Google want either ad revenue, or user data and if they do an app, it will have to go to the store which either means that the user data will get scrutinised by Apple (and then potentially rejected) or if they go the ad route, they have to share revenue. The browser-based solution is better for Google.

Also, Apple's scrutiny process has a history of inconsistencies. Swimwear shop app? Banned for adult material. Playboy? That's fine.


iOS developers are not required to share ad revenue with Apple. The only cut Apple takes is 30% of the purchase price, and if the app is free but ad-supported Apple gets 30% of nothing.

It's impossible for any of us to know, but I suspect this was all triggered by the massive rate increase required by Google for use of the Maps API. This affected a lot of us developers, having used the APIs for free in the past, and triggered a panic. I wouldn't be surprised if this made a lot of people, including Apple, realize just how tightly Google has the mapping market tied down. We've known for awhile that Apple was likely paying Google for access to its mapping data (the iOS maps app was developed by Apple using Google APIs, not Google itself), and it could very well be that Google simply wanted more money. Or wanted a price they knew Apple wouldn't pay in order to create an advantage for Android.

On the other hand, maybe Apple just wanted to take a key part of their mobile OS out of the hands of their largest competitor, no matter what the cost.

In any event, iOS users are getting screwed until Apple's Maps ramp up to the quality of Google's offerings. Given how long it took Google to get their, it could be a long ride.
 
2012-09-25 10:05:46 PM

GizmoToy: In any event, iOS users are getting screwed until Apple's Maps ramp up to the quality of Google's offerings. Given how long it took Google to get their, it could be a long ride.


What's worse is that ride will be made even longer because you're stuck using AppleMaps.
 
2012-09-25 11:13:05 PM
Just download Waze...
 
2012-09-26 07:03:20 AM

GizmoToy: In any event, iOS users are getting screwed until Apple's Maps ramp up to the quality of Google's offerings. Given how long it took Google to get their, it could be a long ride.


I realised I was incorrect about ads. I thought that app creators had to use iAd.

The other question I have is about how Apple are going to improve it. The thing that's always really smart about Google is that they work out ways to get users to populate the data.

For example... my hairdresser recently left the salon she was working in and started her own salon. I told her that she should get her business on Google Maps, so next time someone searches for a hairdresser in the area, they'll find her. So, she goes on the "google business" (or something) page, enter the details and within a week, is on Google Maps. How does she get onto the Apple Maps, if she doesn't own an iPad or iPhone?
 
2012-09-26 09:17:15 AM

farkeruk: For example... my hairdresser recently left the salon she was working in and started her own salon. I told her that she should get her business on Google Maps, so next time someone searches for a hairdresser in the area, they'll find her. So, she goes on the "google business" (or something) page, enter the details and within a week, is on Google Maps. How does she get onto the Apple Maps, if she doesn't own an iPad or iPhone?


I've wondered the same thing. It seems incredibly naive of Apple not to have had this type of functionality ready from the start.
 
2012-09-26 11:51:47 PM

KierzanDax: zedster: Nem Wan: Google quickly produced a standalone YouTube app for iOS when they lost Apple's preinstalled app. Google makes many other apps for iOS. There is going to be a Google Maps app.

Google makes a lot more money from Youtube than from Maps. Also Apple will ban any app that they feel replicates a feature built into the OS. I doubt the would block Google Maps but you never know. Google gains more from now having a killer feature on Android that iOS lacks than by creating a maps app for iOS.

I agree there is no upside for Google for producing a stand-alone map app for IOS. But, if they do make one, Apple won't ban it. Map Quest has an IOS app that had the missing feature everyone wanted: vocal turn by turn directions, and it has lived along side the default mapping app with no problems.


Google has one already, it has not been approved, Apple is sitting on it, like they do with apps that are not in their core functionality, which they feel should be.
 
2012-09-27 12:04:40 AM

theflatline: KierzanDax: zedster: Nem Wan: Google quickly produced a standalone YouTube app for iOS when they lost Apple's preinstalled app. Google makes many other apps for iOS. There is going to be a Google Maps app.

Google makes a lot more money from Youtube than from Maps. Also Apple will ban any app that they feel replicates a feature built into the OS. I doubt the would block Google Maps but you never know. Google gains more from now having a killer feature on Android that iOS lacks than by creating a maps app for iOS.

I agree there is no upside for Google for producing a stand-alone map app for IOS. But, if they do make one, Apple won't ban it. Map Quest has an IOS app that had the missing feature everyone wanted: vocal turn by turn directions, and it has lived along side the default mapping app with no problems.

Google has one already, it has not been approved, Apple is sitting on it, like they do with apps that are not in their core functionality, which they feel should be.


source?
 
2012-09-27 12:34:12 AM

theflatline: KierzanDax: zedster: Nem Wan: Google quickly produced a standalone YouTube app for iOS when they lost Apple's preinstalled app. Google makes many other apps for iOS. There is going to be a Google Maps app.

Google makes a lot more money from Youtube than from Maps. Also Apple will ban any app that they feel replicates a feature built into the OS. I doubt the would block Google Maps but you never know. Google gains more from now having a killer feature on Android that iOS lacks than by creating a maps app for iOS.

I agree there is no upside for Google for producing a stand-alone map app for IOS. But, if they do make one, Apple won't ban it. Map Quest has an IOS app that had the missing feature everyone wanted: vocal turn by turn directions, and it has lived along side the default mapping app with no problems.

Google has one already, it has not been approved, Apple is sitting on it, like they do with apps that are not in their core functionality, which they feel should be.




Funny since Eric Schmidt has publicly said that Google has NOT submitted anything to Apple and has no plans to do so in the immediate future.
 
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