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2012-09-25 01:20:20 PM  

halfof33: Again, anything after that is irrelevant since both players maintain control to the ground.


Right, that's 100% true and accurate. What you're failing to grasp is that the rule clearly states that in this precise scenario, possession should be awarded to whichever player established control first. Jennings clearly did, and so long as he maintained at least joint control (which he did), nothing that happened after that fact should matter.
 
2012-09-25 01:21:13 PM  

Harv72b: IAmRight: Tate also pulls the ball toward him in midair, which is why Jennings ends up by Tate's head.

Not contested. But this is irrelevant according to the rule, as Jennings first establishes control.

IAmRight: As for your other comparison, that's an unfair comparison, because even if they do rule simultaneous possession, the ball would go to the receiver in that situation. If the receiver had his hand in there and pulled the ball out, then the receiver would get the ball in many cases.

If Tate had pulled the ball out he would absolutely have gotten the ball, as Jennings would have lost control of it at that point. And yes, any time that simultaneous possession occurs the ball goes to the offensive player...but in this case, Item 5 clearly excludes the Jennings/Tate play from being a case of simultaneous possession.

Having had 12 hours to sleep/mull this over further, I'll grant that it was absolutely a difficult call to make on the spot and it's understandable that the replacement official made the incorrect ruling. But while that establishes that it wasn't hardly the worst call made in the game, it does remain the one which most obviously affected the outcome and which therefore raises the greatest amount of fervor towards the replacement officials.

/After the reactions last night, I'm now leaning towards a players' strike occurring if the League doesn't work something out with the NFLRA very soon.


sounds good to me, it's not like the product we're getting right now is worth anybody's money/time
 
2012-09-25 01:22:40 PM  
Meh.....i'm over it and the NFL. I'd rather watch soccer. At least i know its fixed and has crappy officiating. Bring back the refs
 
2012-09-25 01:23:24 PM  

eagles95: Meh.....i'm over it and the NFL. I'd rather watch soccer. At least i know its fixed and has crappy officiating. Bring back the refs


3/10. Buried way to deep in the thread to get proper responses.
 
2012-09-25 01:23:28 PM  

FriarReb98: Tate pushed off, and he's acting like he's God.
Jennings and Tate had possession.
Neither official got to the ball on time.
The line judge didn't EVER look at the back judge before putting up his hands.
The head referee didn't take control of the situation.

 
2012-09-25 01:25:27 PM  

Harv72b:
Having had 12 hours to sleep/mull this over further, I'll grant that it was absolutely a difficult call to make on the spot and it's understandable that the replacement official made the incorrect ruling. But while that establishes that it wasn't hardly the worst call made in the game, it does remain the one which most obviously affected the outcome and which therefore raises the greatest amount of fervor towards the replacement officials.


Hell, that's my point. There were easy to make calls blown by the replacements to point out. This was hardly easy or clearcut. Complain about the shiatty PI calls, holding calls, etc if you must. Or Packers fans can admit that the anemic offense is to blame for the loss. 8 sacks? 12 points? Are you shiatting me?

/After the reactions last night, I'm now leaning towards a players' strike occurring if the League doesn't work something out with the NFLRA very soon.

Not a chance; the NFLPA would be sued into oblivion based on the CBA disallowing strikes/lockouts, iirc.
 
2012-09-25 01:25:39 PM  

Harv72b: Not contested. But this is irrelevant according to the rule, as Jennings first establishes control.


You are assuming YOUR definition of control is correct.
 
2012-09-25 01:26:08 PM  

Harv72b: Right, that's 100% true and accurate. What you're failing to grasp is that the rule clearly states that in this precise scenario, possession should be awarded to whichever player established control first. Jennings clearly did, and so long as he maintained at least joint control (which he did), nothing that happened after that fact should matter


You seem pretty sure of yourself given that Tate's LEFT ARM was between the ball and Jennings' bod, and at best, Jennings trapped tyhe ball against Tate's arm.

Seahawks 14 Packers 12,.
 
2012-09-25 01:26:39 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: antidisestablishmentarianism: This whole thread is like arguing about who shot first, Han or Greedo?

Han


Man on the grassy knoll.
 
2012-09-25 01:26:59 PM  
Trying to remember a really bad call that preceded instant replay. In fact, I think it was the game that led to replay being instituted into the NFL. I want to say it was a Bills game (could be wrong), and on the final drive of the game there was a call at the goal line that either was ruled a TD in error or a stop at the line in error. Replays showed the call was clearly the wrong one and cost the game. Anyone?
 
2012-09-25 01:27:31 PM  

stappawho: You are assuming YOUR definition of control is correct.


Link

1. to exercise restraint or direction over; dominate; command.
 
2012-09-25 01:27:37 PM  

Harv72b: halfof33: Again, anything after that is irrelevant since both players maintain control to the ground.

Right, that's 100% true and accurate. What you're failing to grasp is that the rule clearly states that in this precise scenario, possession should be awarded to whichever player established control first. Jennings clearly did, and so long as he maintained at least joint control (which he did), nothing that happened after that fact should matter.


How does Jennings CLEARLY establish control when Tate has his hands on the ball?
 
2012-09-25 01:28:11 PM  

halfof33: Again, anything after that is irrelevant since both players maintain control to the ground.


It's absolutely laughable, and completely wrong, to say that Tate had control at any point. There's no argument here. None.

Anyone who watches that play and says it was a touchdown does not understand football.

outsports.com
 
2012-09-25 01:28:14 PM  

halfof33: Harv72b: Again, he did no such thing. He could absolutely explain the point much better (as I have, repeatedly, in this thread and in others), but he is correct and the chain of events which he mentions accurately demonstrates why he is correct.

Again, anything after that is irrelevant since both players maintain control to the ground.

since both players maintain control to the ground
since both players maintain control to the ground
since both players maintain control to the ground
since both players maintain control to the ground

Seahawks 14 Packers 12.


Jennings establishes control first, and that is the only thing that matters
Jennings establishes control first, and that is the only thing that matters
Jennings establishes control first, and that is the only thing that matters

I am not sure if you are not comprehending the rule or not seeing Jennings pull the ball to his chest before Tate does anything with it, but either way you are wrong.
 
2012-09-25 01:29:05 PM  

halfof33: You seem pretty sure of yourself given that Tate's LEFT ARM was between the ball and Jennings' bod, and at best, Jennings trapped tyhe ball against Tate's arm.


Already addressed this in a prior post:

Harv72b: You're still failing to grasp what "control" is and how it is different than possession. Control requires more than just touching the object--you have to be able to actively manipulate it. The whole "simultaneous possession" thing is meant for plays like crossing routes, where both players meet at the exact instant the ball arrives and both cradle it to their chests at the same time. In this case, Jennings demonstrated control by pulling it to his chest while Tate is unable to prevent that occurring.

If it helps to put it in another context, think of the more typical sideline fly route where the receiver gets a step on the DB but the ball is underthrown. The receiver turns to face the incoming catch, gets both hands on it, pulls it into his body, and then maintains his grip on the ball as he hits the ground. The DB does not turn around to find the ball, but throws an arm up to face guard the receiver...that arm is then pinned between the ball and the receiver. As they hit the ground the DB manages to get his other hand on the ball as well.

The correct call there would be a reception. While the DB did indeed get his hand (or at least, arm) on the ball at the same time the receiver did, he did not control what subsequently happened with the ball. While Tate got a hand (or at least, arm) on the ball at about the same time Jennings did, Tate did not control what happened next (the ball being pulled to Jennings' chest).

 
2012-09-25 01:29:38 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: FriarReb98: Watching SportsCenter has pretty much disavowed me of believing there's any reason to believe this is not the worst call in the history of pro football.

Tate pushed off, and he's acting like he's God.
Jennings had possession.
Neither official got to the ball on time.
The line judge didn't EVER look at the back judge before putting up his hands.
The head referee didn't take control of the situation.

You have to feel dirty if you're trying to disagree with any of these points, or are using them to justify a "makeup" call for the last thirty-seven seasons of Seahawks football.

The Packers should not have had themselves in a position where the refs could decide the game for them.


You're right, they really shouldn't have. But that's not the point. The point is that the replacement refs have just put the largest target in the history of umpires and referees on their own backs.
 
2012-09-25 01:30:35 PM  

stappawho: FriarReb98: Tate pushed off, and he's acting like he's God.
Jennings and Tate had possession FIRST.
Neither official got to the ball on time.
The line judge didn't EVER look at the back judge before putting up his hands.
The head referee didn't take control of the situation.


FTFRetardsLikeYou.
 
2012-09-25 01:31:36 PM  

stappawho: How does Jennings CLEARLY establish control when Tate has his hands on the ball?


First, he CLEARLY establishes control before Tate has his hands on the ball (Tate may arguably have had an arm on the ball at this point). There are several screencaps in this thread which demonstrate this, but the easy answer is that Jennings pulls the ball into his chest (and, arguably, Tate's arm with it).
 
2012-09-25 01:32:53 PM  

roc6783: I am not sure if you are not comprehending the rule or not seeing Jennings pull the ball to his chest before Tate does anything with it, but either way you are wrong.


"pulls the ball to tate's left arm while tate's left hand was in contact with the ball" you mean?

NightOwl2255: Anyone who watches that play and says it was a touchdown does not understand football.


And this genius posts a picture where you can't see tate's left arm, and is after the play. wow.
 
2012-09-25 01:33:30 PM  

Harv72b: halfof33: Again, anything after that is irrelevant since both players maintain control to the ground.

Right, that's 100% true and accurate. What you're failing to grasp is that the rule clearly states that in this precise scenario, possession should be awarded to whichever player established control first. Jennings clearly did, and so long as he maintained at least joint control (which he did), nothing that happened after that fact should matter.


What I'm having difficulty with is that the almost universal understanding is that Jennings caught it first, then Tate wrestled it from him, which would have resulted in a touchback. I guess the NFL thinks that most folks who have the right to have an opinion on this are farking stupid. (ex-players, ex-officials, etc)

/or they are trying to protect their brand?
//which isn't working
 
2012-09-25 01:33:54 PM  
Long-due karma

2002 Vikings v. Packers game
On December 8, 2002 at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin, the Packers came from behind to defeat the Minnesota Vikings, 26-22, in a contest in which the league would later admit that Coleman and his crew made nine officiating errors. One of the errors included a 28-yard pass interference penalty that was called on Vikings safety Corey Chavous, which helped the Packers to score their game-winning touchdown. The win helped keep Green Bay in the race for home-field advantage in the playoffs.
 

/the most egregious, but only one of many
 
2012-09-25 01:37:18 PM  

halfof33: roc6783: I am not sure if you are not comprehending the rule or not seeing Jennings pull the ball to his chest before Tate does anything with it, but either way you are wrong.

"pulls the ball to tate's left arm while tate's left hand was in contact with the ball" you mean?

NightOwl2255: Anyone who watches that play and says it was a touchdown does not understand football.

And this genius posts a picture where you can't see tate's left arm, and is after the play. wow.


Explain to me how Tate is establishing control before or at the same time as Jennings, when Jennings pulls the ball into Tate's arm, establishing Jenning's control. Sticking his arm against Jenning's chest isn't establishing control of the ball, neither is merely touching it.
 
2012-09-25 01:37:34 PM  

Kid Lester: Trying to remember a really bad call that preceded instant replay. In fact, I think it was the game that led to replay being instituted into the NFL. I want to say it was a Bills game (could be wrong), and on the final drive of the game there was a call at the goal line that either was ruled a TD in error or a stop at the line in error. Replays showed the call was clearly the wrong one and cost the game. Anyone?


One that got the discussion started was the famous Oilers-Steelers playoff game where Mike Renfro(?) caught a touchdown that was ruled out of bounds, but I think the Steelers won by 14. I guess that's not the one you're trying to think of.

Never mind.
 
2012-09-25 01:39:01 PM  

Boston Kiwi: Larry Mahnken: What they're going to say is that the call on the field - simultaneous catch -- was a judgement call, and that the rules do not allow replay to overturn the judgement call. As the rule on the field was that the catch was simultaneous, and the replay did not show the ball hitting the ground, the call must be upheld on review.

Why didn't the ref go down to the end zone and have a little chat with his 2 officials that called two different results on that last play? They seemed to do it a lot during the game, so why not there?. Instead he ran straight to the replay camera, where he was informed by the replay official that he can only overturn the call if the ball hit the ground. His only chance to overturn the call was lost when he stupidly went for the camera instead of the end zone.

 
2012-09-25 01:40:02 PM  

Harv72b: stappawho: How does Jennings CLEARLY establish control when Tate has his hands on the ball?

First, he CLEARLY establishes control before Tate has his hands on the ball (Tate may arguably have had an arm on the ball at this point). There are several screencaps in this thread which demonstrate this, but the easy answer is that Jennings pulls the ball into his chest (and, arguably, Tate's arm with it).


Clearly? From all of the videos, frame-by-frame posts, first-hand recounts, etc I have seen, all I can say is Jennings MIGHT HAVE TOUCHED the ball first. I don't think you can say he clearly had control of it first, since he appears to have pinned the ball against one of Tate's hand (who knows, maybe it would've slipped out without Tate holding onto it, too). So, unless touching means control now, you're just fooling yourself by saying control/possession here is CLEAR and OBVIOUS, hence tie goes to the offense.

/guess we'll be agreeing to disagree here, since I think, while Jennings appeared to have "more control" I don't think you can truly say Tate didn't have control at the same time.
 
2012-09-25 01:40:37 PM  

halfof33: And this genius posts a picture where you can't see tate's left arm, and is after the play. wow.


Let's see what Gerry Austin (27 year NFL ref) has to say" ...Jennings has the ball, all Tate has is an arm in there..." 

There is no discussion here. It's clear and indisputable, Tate did not score a touchdown. It was awarded to him, incorrectly, by an inferior ref.
 
2012-09-25 01:41:22 PM  

nvmac: /or they are trying to protect their brand?


They're trying to protect their pride, or more accurately, the owners' pocketbooks. What they appear unable to see is that they're digging themselves into a deeper and deeper hole with every additional day they refuse to remedy or even admit the problem.

During week 1 there was some grumbling, and the players/coaches took it upon themselves to test the replacements' mettle.

During week 2 there was quite a bit of outward complaining, and the players/coaches demonstrated a complete lack of respect for the replacements on the field.

During week 3 there's a near-universal public outcry from players and coaches directed toward both the replacement officials and the League offices. There is now not only a lack of respect for these officials, there is a growing lack of respect for the League hierarchy and the fines they can will levy.

It's only going to get worse, and regardless of potential lawsuits (which leave open the possibility of counter-lawsuits alleging that the league violated the CBA by failing to provide a safe, professional work environment for the players) I honestly think you're going to see individuals and then entire teams refusing to play.
 
2012-09-25 01:43:39 PM  

Fallout Zone: Long-due karma

/the most egregious, but only one of many


For all the years I have been watching football, in the Green Bay market, I can say that they seem to benefit on many bad calls. The fans will call you a whiner for pointing out those bad calls. It's hard to be sympathetic about last night.

The hype surrounding this incident is from the heavy scrutiny of the replacement refs and being on a Monday night, it doesn't matter if they got the call right or not. IF this were a noon game on Sunday it would have gone unnoticed for the most part.
 
2012-09-25 01:44:33 PM  

FarkGrudge: /guess we'll be agreeing to disagree here, since I think, while Jennings appeared to have "more control" I don't think you can truly say Tate didn't have control at the same time.


I'm tired of arguing about this for today, so I'll just take this and smile. :)

/Still maintain that the problem is much more accurately demonstrated by the fact that we can argue for days over which were the worst calls made during the game than by the fact that they (apparently) got the final call wrong.
 
2012-09-25 01:45:55 PM  

NightOwl2255: halfof33: And this genius posts a picture where you can't see tate's left arm, and is after the play. wow.

Let's see what Gerry Austin (27 year NFL ref) has to say" ...Jennings has the ball, all Tate has is an arm in there..." 

There is no discussion here. It's clear and indisputable, Tate did not score a touchdown. It was awarded to him, incorrectly, by an inferior ref.


Wow, it was a good thing that joker was retired. "All he has is an arm in there." Uhh, Bzzzz: he had his left arm in there too.

But lets go to the scoreboard:

Seahawks 14 Packers 12.
 
2012-09-25 01:48:14 PM  

halfof33: Wow, it was a good thing that joker was retired. "All he has is an arm in there." Uhh, Bzzzz: he had his left arm in there too.


Can you please re-read what you just typed there?
 
2012-09-25 01:48:23 PM  

macadamnut: Kid Lester: Trying to remember a really bad call that preceded instant replay. In fact, I think it was the game that led to replay being instituted into the NFL. I want to say it was a Bills game (could be wrong), and on the final drive of the game there was a call at the goal line that either was ruled a TD in error or a stop at the line in error. Replays showed the call was clearly the wrong one and cost the game. Anyone?

One that got the discussion started was the famous Oilers-Steelers playoff game where Mike Renfro(?) caught a touchdown that was ruled out of bounds, but I think the Steelers won by 14. I guess that's not the one you're trying to think of.

Never mind.


Pretty sure it was a Bills game. Either way, the team with the ball needed a TD. Last play from the 1 the RB crashes into the line. It was either ruled a stop or a TD, game over. Replay showed the refs blew it. Can't remember to save my life. It would've been in the mid-late 90's before replay came back.
 
2012-09-25 01:48:52 PM  
When M. D. Jennings' second foot touches the ground, Golden Tate has full possession of the football. Watch the video and watch Jennings' feet. Possession of the ball while still in the air doesn't count. By the time Jennings gets his second foot down, Tate has secured the football.
 
2012-09-25 01:49:02 PM  

FarkGrudge: Harv72b: stappawho: How does Jennings CLEARLY establish control when Tate has his hands on the ball?

First, he CLEARLY establishes control before Tate has his hands on the ball (Tate may arguably have had an arm on the ball at this point). There are several screencaps in this thread which demonstrate this, but the easy answer is that Jennings pulls the ball into his chest (and, arguably, Tate's arm with it).

Clearly? From all of the videos, frame-by-frame posts, first-hand recounts, etc I have seen, all I can say is Jennings MIGHT HAVE TOUCHED the ball first. I don't think you can say he clearly had control of it first, since he appears to have pinned the ball against one of Tate's hand (who knows, maybe it would've slipped out without Tate holding onto it, too). So, unless touching means control now, you're just fooling yourself by saying control/possession here is CLEAR and OBVIOUS, hence tie goes to the offense.

/guess we'll be agreeing to disagree here, since I think, while Jennings appeared to have "more control" I don't think you can truly say Tate didn't have control at the same time.



At 2:34 on the video in the link, you can clearly see Tate reach a hand into Jennings' chest as he pulls the ball in. Jennings is the first to establish control, then Tate does as they are falling/landing.

After seeing it way too many times, it would have been a very difficult call on the field. Good thing that both the completion and possession were reviewable and a review took place. Too bad they still got it wrong.
 
2012-09-25 01:49:25 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Dogpants: digistil: Dogpants: This, ladies and gentlemen, is why, despite living in Minnesota for well over a decade, I will never, ever be a Vikings fan. Couldn't stand the idea of being associated with assholishness like this.

The only asshole here is the person stating that an entire fan base is made up of assholes.

And that would be who, exactly, Sparky? Did I say all Vikings fans are assholes? No, I didn't, not fair to say that, haven't met them all.

I think it's amusing that you think every fanbase doesn;t have someone like me.


So along with being a whiny-assed, poor-sport Vikings fan, you're clairvoyant? How nice for you. Please, tell me more about what I think.
 
2012-09-25 01:50:40 PM  

SlothB77: When M. D. Jennings' second foot touches the ground, Golden Tate has full possession of the football. Watch the video and watch Jennings' feet. Possession of the ball while still in the air doesn't count. By the time Jennings gets his second foot down, Tate has secured the football.


Ya, that's still not true.
 
2012-09-25 01:51:45 PM  

FriarReb98: stappawho: FriarReb98: Tate pushed off, and he's acting like he's God.
Jennings and Tate had possession FIRST.
Neither official got to the ball on time.
The line judge didn't EVER look at the back judge before putting up his hands.
The head referee didn't take control of the situation.

FTFRetardsLikeYou.


He doesn't have possession till he hits the ground, so no, he did not have possession first.
 
2012-09-25 01:52:15 PM  
This just in.  A second touchdown has hit the second defender!!!!
 
2012-09-25 01:52:52 PM  

Harv72b: nvmac: /or they are trying to protect their brand?

They're trying to protect their pride, or more accurately, the owners' pocketbooks. What they appear unable to see is that they're digging themselves into a deeper and deeper hole with every additional day they refuse to remedy or even admit the problem.

During week 1 there was some grumbling, and the players/coaches took it upon themselves to test the replacements' mettle.

During week 2 there was quite a bit of outward complaining, and the players/coaches demonstrated a complete lack of respect for the replacements on the field.

During week 3 there's a near-universal public outcry from players and coaches directed toward both the replacement officials and the League offices. There is now not only a lack of respect for these officials, there is a growing lack of respect for the League hierarchy and the fines they can will levy.

It's only going to get worse, and regardless of potential lawsuits (which leave open the possibility of counter-lawsuits alleging that the league violated the CBA by failing to provide a safe, professional work environment for the players) I honestly think you're going to see individuals and then entire teams refusing to play.


At this point, at this rate, my personal perfect storm scenario is that this somehow goes to week 8. We end up with some ridiculous failure of the refs that costs the Patriots the game in a fashion similar to the Packers game or a career-ending injury to someone on the field. Belichick gets in a fight with the refs, it starts fights in the stands, and we end up with a all-out soccer riot in the game, covered by the world media as a shining example of how little Goodell cares about anything but money. Goodell gets fired, lockout ends.

I know it probably won't even come to that week at this rate, but that would be beautiful to happen.
 
2012-09-25 01:54:11 PM  

Harv72b: Can you please re-read what you just typed there?


Yeah sure:

"an arm" = one arm

arms: two arms.

Actually, the more I look at this, it appears that Tate is the one pulling the ball in, as jennings is folding over tate's shoulder.
 
2012-09-25 01:59:04 PM  
i.imgur.com

/the call was wrong.
//too late to do anything about it
 
2012-09-25 01:59:39 PM  

halfof33: Actually, the more I look at this, it appears that Tate is the one pulling the ball in, as jennings is folding over tate's shoulder.


Well, keep watching. Before long you'll believe that Tate caught it, and Jennings was the one with "an arm in there". And after a few more views, what the hell do you know, Jennings never even touched the ball.
 
2012-09-25 02:00:06 PM  
iamhilarious.com
 
2012-09-25 02:01:23 PM  
Look. We can quote the rule pertinent to that play until the end of time and how it pretty much renders every Seahawk defender dead wrong. But those of you who are defending that play will obviously never be convinced of how wrong you are, and are only interested in "sports karma," because that has ANYTHING to do with how bad things are getting with these refs.

The Inaccurate Reception is just the crowning achievement in the history of this lockout. There's far, far too many things we can say about just about every game this season to say that's the reason we hate the replacement refs.
 
2012-09-25 02:02:08 PM  

NightOwl2255: Well, keep watching. Before long you'll believe that Tate caught it, and Jennings was the one with "an arm in there". And after a few more views, what the hell do you know, Jennings never even touched the ball.


Puzzleddog.jpg.

Looks at score.

Still Puzzled.
 
2012-09-25 02:02:38 PM  
Meh, this happens to the Raiders once or twice a season and no one outside California gives a fark
 
2012-09-25 02:04:06 PM  

stappawho: He doesn't have possession till he hits the ground, so no, he did not have possession first.


CONTROL
 
2012-09-25 02:04:20 PM  

Mogani: Dogpants: Jim from Saint Paul: shiatTY REFFING HAPPENS WITH THE REGULAR REFS TOO.

So to quote everyone who ever told me that I should get over the refs being incompetent in that game: "Hey, it's your fault you were in a position to let the refs decide who would win the game".

And to quote myself: "Suck it Packer fans. HAHA."

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why, despite living in Minnesota for well over a decade, I will never, ever be a Vikings fan. Couldn't stand the idea of being associated with assholishness like this.


oooh mister high and mighty well what team are you for then? there is this "assholishness" with every sports team around every league in every state more in some then others. i could say the same for packer fans for bears, lions, seahawks, patriots, eagles every single one. lets face being a sports fans = a certain degree of being an ass..


I grew up among Bears fans, Packers fans, Chiefs fans, and Vikings fans, and by a good margin the Vikings fans were the absolute worst, crowing about how theirs was the greatest team in the history of sport but the refs screwed 'em EVERY TIME, rooting for injuries to the other team, excusing and even reveling in boorish, unsportsmanlike conduct from their players, and tons of other crap like that. Since moving to Minnesota I can only say it's much worse here where nobody has sense enough to disagree with their stupidity. How about you win it once if you're the greatest? And then, when every year the team falls short of the ultimate goal, they're the worst bunch of bums ever. Frontrunners, worse than any other group of fans I've ever seen. For the record, I'm a Packer fan now after having been a Vikings fan when I was a child, and yes, there are dumbasses in every team's group of fans... but nobody comes within a Spergon Wynn pass of the team from Minnesota.
 
2012-09-25 02:04:35 PM  

FriarReb98:
At this point, at this rate, my personal perfect storm scenario is that this somehow goes to week 8. We end up with some ridiculous failure of the refs that costs the Patriots the game in a fashion similar to the Packers game or a career-ending injury to someone on the field. Belichick gets in a fight with the refs, it starts fights in the stands, and we end up with a all-out soccer riot in the game, covered by the world media as a shining example of how little Goodell cares about anything but money. Goodell gets fired, lockout ends.

I know it probably won't even come to that week at this rate, but that would be beautiful to happen.


Hah i would be highly amused if that happened.
 
2012-09-25 02:07:05 PM  

roc6783: FarkGrudge: Harv72b: stappawho: How does Jennings CLEARLY establish control when Tate has his hands on the ball?

First, he CLEARLY establishes control before Tate has his hands on the ball (Tate may arguably have had an arm on the ball at this point). There are several screencaps in this thread which demonstrate this, but the easy answer is that Jennings pulls the ball into his chest (and, arguably, Tate's arm with it).

Clearly? From all of the videos, frame-by-frame posts, first-hand recounts, etc I have seen, all I can say is Jennings MIGHT HAVE TOUCHED the ball first. I don't think you can say he clearly had control of it first, since he appears to have pinned the ball against one of Tate's hand (who knows, maybe it would've slipped out without Tate holding onto it, too). So, unless touching means control now, you're just fooling yourself by saying control/possession here is CLEAR and OBVIOUS, hence tie goes to the offense.

/guess we'll be agreeing to disagree here, since I think, while Jennings appeared to have "more control" I don't think you can truly say Tate didn't have control at the same time.


At 2:34 on the video in the link, you can clearly see Tate reach a hand into Jennings' chest as he pulls the ball in. Jennings is the first to establish control, then Tate does as they are falling/landing.

After seeing it way too many times, it would have been a very difficult call on the field. Good thing that both the completion and possession were reviewable and a review took place. Too bad they still got it wrong.


At 2:34 on the video, everyone was still in the air. So no one had possession, and no one could be said to have "control" because no feet were down. Call cannot be made at this point, and it does not matter who touched the ball first.
 
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