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2012-09-25 09:13:54 AM  
...huh. I misread that as "rational".
 
2012-09-25 09:51:57 AM  
I think you mean "Nationalist" party.

And, the answer would be YES!
 
2012-09-25 09:57:06 AM  
short answer? no. long answer? nooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
2012-09-25 10:06:34 AM  
The country is so polarized that no party is national these days.

Democrats tend to be younger and more urban, while Republicans tend to be older, more rural, and almost exclusively white.
 
2012-09-25 10:31:27 AM  
Well, if demographic shifts continue on their current path, and if Hispanics start 'voting their weight' in some key states, future maps could easily begin to look like this.

In such a scenario, you could give FL and VA back to the GOP and they couldn't get above 200.
 
2012-09-25 11:28:37 AM  
now that's a very interesting question....

hmm.
 
2012-09-25 11:38:12 AM  
Yeah, of the Confederate States of America.
 
2012-09-25 11:40:18 AM  
Yes, in terms that they have presence in all states and nationally. A regional party is a one like the Dixiecrats. The problem that the modern GOP is facing is that they are increasingly dependent on a shrinking demographic, angry white people. In reality, this election is a crossroads for the party. It has a chance to gain the votes of every voter 40 and under if they give up on the social issues and focus on turning the population against the Baby Boomer generation.
 
2012-09-25 11:42:28 AM  
Unfortunately, yes.
 
2012-09-25 11:49:44 AM  
Yes they are. They grabbed a lot of loot (state legislatures) in 2010 and sent a lot of Reps to the House of Representin' the same election cycle. Get back to me when they begin losing these. These, I think, will be the most telling.
 
2012-09-25 12:05:56 PM  
Can we please stop with this crap? The GOP floor is something like 45%. Of course its a national party.
 
2012-09-25 12:17:22 PM  
Yes.

Daydreaming that they aren't appears to be kind of a creepy masturbatory fantasy... and I wish people wouldn't do that in public.
 
2012-09-25 12:35:08 PM  
If you take out the angry white guys, there isn't much left of the GOP.
 
2012-09-25 12:42:47 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I think you mean "Nationalist" party.

And, the answer would be YES!


I lol'd.
Yeah I was going to say something like NATB's or something. I'm sure someone else can come up with something better.
 
2012-09-25 12:45:42 PM  
This story seem to be trotted out every 4 years or so and yet the GOP still continues to exist and run candidates at every level and in every state in the country.

/In 1988, the same type of gloom & doom story was being written about the Democrats.
 
2012-09-25 12:51:59 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I think you mean "Nationalist" party.

And, the answer would be YES!


THIS.

The GOP of even 20 years ago is dead and gone. What has arisen in it's place is a manner of political extremism which not only says that "My ignorance is greater than your education", but also is willing to watch the principles, values, and entity of the United States burn as long as it gets it's way. The Tea Party was only an obvious symptom of a problem of propaganda and poisonous rhetoric which has plagued BOTH sides of the political system in the United States over the past few years.

The problem with groups like the Tea Party, when compared with the bad behaviors of left movements, like Occupy Wallstreet, on the other hand, is that while the racist, anti-Semitic, or conspiracy-theory elements of OWS were typically unorganized and not part of the greater movements; While the Tea Party at it's heart maintains it's elements of racism, classism, and ignorance.

When you have people who, in the same venue, would protest "socialized medicine", but demand Government stay out of medicare, there is no point to make. There should only be pointing and laughing at someone who has no idea what they're talking about.
 
2012-09-25 01:15:33 PM  
I don't know. I really consider it more a regional party. There are specific pockets of the country that only vote Republican, and will never vote anything but Republican. Though of course, using that criteria, the Democratic Party could be considered a regional party as well. The difference between the two for me is, the Democratic Party encompasses a wider swath of people within its ranks than the GOP does; the demographic make-up is much more varied. That makes it the truly "National" party of the two.

Just look at the audience at the RNC vs. the DNC. What party better represents the whole of the country?
 
2012-09-25 01:31:48 PM  
Is the GOP still a national party joke?

YES.

They are still a national party, but only because they still have a lot of traditional GOP voters who still vote party line, even though the party has left most of them.
 
2012-09-25 01:35:16 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I don't know. I really consider it more a regional party. There are specific pockets of the country that only vote Republican, and will never vote anything but Republican. Though of course, using that criteria, the Democratic Party could be considered a regional party as well. The difference between the two for me is, the Democratic Party encompasses a wider swath of people within its ranks than the GOP does; the demographic make-up is much more varied. That makes it the truly "National" party of the two.

Just look at the audience at the RNC vs. the DNC. What party better represents the whole of the country?


Neither.
 
2012-09-25 01:37:50 PM  
And isn't the Democrat party that dismissed "flyover country"?  The eleectoral map tells the story.  Democrats for New England and West Coast.  Republicans or the heartland with only a few exceptions.
 
2012-09-25 01:38:24 PM  

imontheinternet: The country is so polarized that no party is national these days.

Democrats tend to be younger and more urban, while Republicans tend to be older, more rural, and almost exclusively white.


No, this is a decision by the GOP. They could easily capture a lot of the hispanic vote (and go back to winning majorities), simply by scaling back the derp on immigration. In fact, their current stance on limiting immigration is not even a traditionally conservative stance.
 
2012-09-25 01:41:52 PM  

I_C_Weener: And isn't the Democrat party


Democratic Party. It's not that hard.
 
2012-09-25 01:55:34 PM  

I_C_Weener: And isn't the Democrat party that dismissed "flyover country"?  The eleectoral map tells the story.  Democrats for New England and West Coast.  Republicans or the heartland with only a few exceptions.


This isn't true, either.
 
2012-09-25 02:19:37 PM  
Well, sure. The GOP represents ALL of the states in the Confederacy!
 
2012-09-25 02:24:25 PM  

I_C_Weener: And isn't the Democrat party that dismissed "flyover country"?


do you guys do that reflexively now?
 
2012-09-25 02:39:21 PM  

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: And isn't the Democrat party that dismissed "flyover country"?

do you guys do that reflexively now?


What do you mean, "you guys"?  
 
2012-09-25 02:51:05 PM  
Nope. They're the party of resentful white people. America is considerably more diverse than that.
 
2012-09-25 02:52:03 PM  
New England GOP derp =/= rest of country GOP derp
 
2012-09-25 02:53:06 PM  

unlikely: Yes.

Daydreaming that they aren't appears to be kind of a creepy masturbatory fantasy... and I wish people wouldn't do that in public.


But it leaves me so satisfied to do so.
 
2012-09-25 02:54:26 PM  
Boomers dying + Latinos spackling any oriface they can find with semen = Yes, until 2030ish.
 
2012-09-25 02:54:45 PM  

ghare: Yeah, of the Confederate States of America.


upload.wikimedia.org 

Approves, but in an alternate history sort of way.
 
2012-09-25 02:54:54 PM  
Did I just read an article by a conservative that made sense??? Wha???....even if I disagree with his assertion of Southern Good Ole' Boys as non-racists. They very much are. Well, well, well....You are going to have a big fight re-establishing intellectually based conservatism with the know-nothing Back to Jesus crowd. Good Luck, Sir.
 
2012-09-25 02:57:07 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This story seem to be trotted out every 4 years or so and yet the GOP still continues to exist and run candidates at every level and in every state in the country.




Yeah, but that was before the Teabaggers and Mitt "Why can't I roll down airplane windows?" Romney. The GOP is imploding now. Will there be a GOP in the future? Sure, but it won't look anything like it does now, just like the GOP of today does not reflect the party of Lincoln.

Don't for get the Whigs.
 
2012-09-25 02:57:24 PM  
They'll just change their tune to ensure their survival. They weren't always a party for Southern rednecks, and they won't always be.
 
2012-09-25 02:58:50 PM  

I_C_Weener: And isn't the Democrat party that dismissed "flyover country"?  The eleectoral map tells the story.  Democrats for New England and West Coast.  Republicans or the heartland with only a few exceptions.


Well, if you fly diagonally from GA to ID and somehow make it to AK without the socialism emissions from Canada farking up a Real Patriot's flight, then yes.

2008election.procon.org

Look how hard Obama dismissed them. Dismissed them right into a 198 electoral vote victory, he did. What a right bastard.
 
2012-09-25 02:59:18 PM  

Rapmaster2000: They'll just change their tune to ensure their survival. They weren't always a party for Southern rednecks, and they won't always be.


So, after Obummer puts us up around 20 trillion in debt (their numbers, not mine), they GOP will go full Libertarian and get people that way? Pat Robertson has money and he WILL buy influence, dammit!
 
2012-09-25 03:00:51 PM  

I_C_Weener: And isn't the Democrat party that dismissed "flyover country"?


If you really want to troll the thread call it the demoncrap party and say suck it libs at the end of your post.
 
2012-09-25 03:03:26 PM  

DamnYankees: Can we please stop with this crap? The GOP floor is something like 45%. Of course its a national party.


A national party exists only if it can win national office. The GOP exists mostly in the sense that it's members feel contempt for all things "other" - non-whites, non-christians, educated people, uneducated people, people who don't like hunting, people who do like hunting, gays, southerners, northerners, east/west-coast liberals, ronpauls, mexicans, retirees, rich people, poor people, disabled people, vets - when you belong to a party that can only back you if you publicly smear at least some of these groups, you can't ever win a nationwide election. They've spent 50 years building this national brand.

All that's left is the "least publicly vulgar member" - George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, and that hilarious 9-9-9 guy whose name I can't think of now. Even the mostly well-liked McCain, in what I consider possibly the most heroic political "F**K YOU" in American history, threw the election by making a veep selection chosen with scientific precision, a giant "KICK ME" sign on the backs of the horrible collection of trolls he found were his nationwide "base", and leave them with the stinging humiliation of knowing that they got punked, thoroughly, completely, and very, very publicly.
 
2012-09-25 03:03:40 PM  
They are, but they're rapidly self-destructing. Whether they will remain a national party comes down to:

a) Whether the Democrats choose to move left to regain major relevance or continue to pursue the Republicans rightward into oblivion,
b) Whether they can start fielding valid and viable presidential candidates instead of relying on the shrinking voter base (as a corollary to a),
and c) Whether the various impending debt horizons (national, student loan, credit, etc) remain unaddressed. If they do, it will tear apart the entire Republican economic platform.

I would not say the future looks bright for them, particularly if they continue to allow their heinous and failed policies to speak for themselves. At least for now, it's the Dems' fight to lose.
 
2012-09-25 03:09:08 PM  

I_C_Weener: And isn't the Democrat party that dismissed "flyover country"?  The eleectoral map tells the story.  Democrats for New England and West Coast.  Republicans or the heartland with only a few exceptions.


Citation on that.
Because I was under the impression flyover country was something put forward by the conservative pundits, that "the Democrats don't care about you they, consider where you live flyover country, the land they fly across on their way from the coast to coast" If you could show me where a National Democratic party member refered to parts of the country as such.
 
2012-09-25 03:11:58 PM  
Distrust of learning, bigotry, militarism and the worship of wealth are as American as can be. Those features have always been embraced by large segments of the American public. In our era those sorts of people gravitate toward the Republican Party.
 
2012-09-25 03:14:24 PM  
earl wants his party back

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"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side."-Rick Santorum


and that is why you are doomed to fail.
 
2012-09-25 03:19:04 PM  
I'm glad to see that all the counties of Alaska voted for Ralph Nader, apparently.
 
2012-09-25 03:21:12 PM  
This is also why One Nation conservatism or even genuinely Reaganite conservatism, with its appeal to independents and Democrats as well as the base, is impossible today. The ideology of suburbia ("porky populism," with its hatred of organic food and fetishistic attachment to SUVs and Wal-Mart) and the most intense expressions of heartland Protestantism, together with certain Southern good ol' boy attitudes (less overt racism than a scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours ethos), are the matrix of GOP and "conservative" identity.

ooof.

/obviously, the American Conservative is staffed by RINOS!!!!!
 
2012-09-25 03:21:32 PM  
FTA "you wouldn't expect the party to consistently nominate moderates like both Bushes, Dole, McCain, and Romney. None of those nominees had impeccable conservative credentials - far from it. But once they got the nomination, they didn't run as the moderates they were; most of them sold themselves as being at least as right as Reagan, even in the general election."

This is what I don't understand about Republicans. If Mitt had run like a moderate I doubt he'd be losing as badly as he is.
 
2012-09-25 03:25:12 PM  
Yes

The rural parts though.

In my experience, city Republicans and rural Republicans are about as different as they come, many just can't admit that the party left them long ago.
 
2012-09-25 03:26:44 PM  
Posted in another thread, but more relevant here:

imageshack.us 

I suspect that Tea Partyists -- who coincidentally vote straight-ticket Republican -- are the ones claiming that they don't identify with the GOP anymore, probably after Romney's nomination.
 
2012-09-25 03:27:09 PM  
So. What happens to the GOP when the people that have watched their antics since they were teens and kids when Bill Clinton was in office start realizing they have actual political power now that they are in their 30's and 40's?
 
2012-09-25 03:27:45 PM  
They primarily represent corporations, which tend to be international.......so they are more akin to an international party. This also explains why they don't really give a fark about domestic issues beyond placating their bible pounding base.
 
2012-09-25 03:28:47 PM  
fark, read that as "Republican Drop in Party IQ
 
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