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(Politico)   Veterans running from Obama faster than they did in Saigon when Hitler led the Russian Nazis in a glorious struggle against the freedom loving Americans and the surrender loving French   (politico.com) divider line 102
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2012-09-25 07:17:58 AM  
If Romney wins, they deserve everything they get.
 
2012-09-25 08:45:08 AM  

Bontesla: If Romney wins, they deserve everything they get.


Or everything they don't get, as the case may be.
 
2012-09-25 08:49:34 AM  
I blame traumatic head injuries.
 
2012-09-25 09:11:10 AM  

Bontesla: If Romney wins, they deserve everything they get.


This. I do not understand it.
 
2012-09-25 09:48:35 AM  
If I were a veteran, I know I'd definitely want to support a political party that wants to sacrifice me for one of their useless wars.
 
2012-09-25 09:51:13 AM  

Cythraul: If I were a veteran, I know I'd definitely want to support a political party that wants to sacrifice me for one of their useless wars.


Or rob you of your body and mind in a useless, bring you home, and let you waste away.
 
2012-09-25 09:53:18 AM  
Nice swiftboat.
 
2012-09-25 09:58:41 AM  
romney wants war with iran. that will be a meat grinder that makes iraq look like a day in the park. and he wants to cut veterans' benefits. so of course vets want to support him!
 
2012-09-25 10:11:41 AM  
Veterans may be the self sacrificing sort, but no one ever claimed they are any smarter than your average voter.
 
2012-09-25 11:36:43 AM  
Why are they itching to go invade Iran or something? Need another hobby war?
 
2012-09-25 11:48:07 AM  

Headso: Why are they itching to go invade Iran or something? Need another hobby war?


Hammer + Nail
 
2012-09-25 11:49:43 AM  
Everyone knows that veterans are just racist brown baby killers.
 
2012-09-25 11:50:14 AM  

gilgigamesh: Veterans may be the self sacrificing sort, but no one ever claimed they are any smarter than your average voter.


Dumber usually.
 
2012-09-25 11:50:23 AM  
Romney will need those veterans for the war against Iran. I'm sure as hell not going.
 
2012-09-25 11:50:37 AM  
Meanwhile, Republicans just blocked a job bill for veterans. If it's not a flag-draped coffin, Republicans have no use for it.
 
2012-09-25 11:51:18 AM  

deadcrickets: gilgigamesh: Veterans may be the self sacrificing sort, but no one ever claimed they are any smarter than your average voter.

Dumber usually.


I'll back this claim up with plenty of evidence.
 
2012-09-25 11:51:49 AM  
I have no sympathy for people who vote against their own interests and suffer because of the consequences.
 
2012-09-25 11:52:05 AM  
This is why I support the military, but not the troops. I'd like to ask those currently trumpeting their support for the troops a question: Have you ever actually met any of these soldiers in person? Well, I have, and believe me, they are no more impressive than any other low-level functionary of a large institution.

In all honesty, my soul swells with pride at the thought of the military-strategy papers and cost-analysis reports in which the troops are represented as numerical figures. But, as for the men and women-well, in almost every respect, they are average. Although they are no less intelligent than any other American, it is certainly fair to say they lack the ability to devise the complex strategies and tactics to manage their own divisions, much less grasp the nuanced reasons for their deployment.

It is ridiculous that my "heart" is somehow morally or ethically obliged to "go out" to the troops. In fact, had the troops not been put to productive labor by the sheer might and institutional authority of the U.S. military, a good number of them would be sitting around bars, drinking and gambling. In short, we shouldn't view the troops as objects of sympathy, because their very contribution to our society is their ability to carry out simple commands on a battlefield.
 
2012-09-25 11:53:05 AM  
The military is a haven for authoritarians, with it's top-down command and control structure, and discouragement of questioning orders. Why wouldn't they skew hard right?
 
2012-09-25 11:53:08 AM  
The butt-hurt in this thread is a real treat. :)
 
2012-09-25 11:53:37 AM  

Dr.Zom: Romney will need those veterans for the war against Iran. I'm sure as hell not going.


He could always send one of his kids...
 
2012-09-25 11:55:18 AM  
This headline is a war crime.
 
2012-09-25 11:55:28 AM  
Its depressing seeing people proudly vote for something that will hurt them the most in everything.
 
2012-09-25 11:58:19 AM  
The GOP have been drumming the "Dems hate the troops" drum so loud and for so loud now that the military vote has become a traditional advantage for them in elections despite the reality that the GOP love defense contractors not grunts. The GOP love privatized mercenaries doing work the military used to do at only better pay because those are for profit entities they can make money from investing in. The fact that they've apparently been able to hang the entire sequestration debacle around Obama's neck despite the Dems infamously giving them '98% of what they wanted' and then the GOP (led by Eric "punchable face" Cantor) pulling out of an eleventh hour deal.

Bravo, RW propaganda media.

Gud jerb.

[jokerclap.gif]
 
MFL
2012-09-25 11:58:49 AM  
The fact that the DNC used Russian Warships and Turkish Jets in the background during their "tribute" to the troops.....might have a hand to play in this.

I mean, seriously....WTF is wrong with you people?
 
2012-09-25 11:59:11 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Its depressing seeing people proudly vote for something that will hurt them the most in everything.


Voting for what's best for you? Fark that. We got a blah person in the WHITE house.
 
2012-09-25 11:59:21 AM  
This is what happens when you have Rush Limbaugh on Armed Forces Radio. Out of all the groups that would be voting against their interests by voting for Republicans, veterans would be at the top of the list.

Being a veteran myself has made more an even stronger supporter of the Democratic party. I don't understand why veterans support yet another chicken hawk draft dodger that wants to start wars but not pay to take care of the troops.
 
2012-09-25 12:00:58 PM  

socodog: The butt-hurt in this thread is a real treat. :)


I see literally ZERO butthurt. Just honest-to-God confusion as to why people would vote against their own interests. You must be reading a different thread. Or maybe you're just stupid.
 
2012-09-25 12:01:06 PM  
I'm a veteran. I'm voting Obama.
 
2012-09-25 12:01:58 PM  
As a veteran, I can tell you it's a hard damn choice between the bunch. You are either volunteering to get a pay cut or small pay increases (and numerous other cuts to the military that negatively affect our readiness), or you are voting for a war-mongering potato.

That should be Romney's slogan:
Vote Potato 2012
 
2012-09-25 12:02:26 PM  
No one asked me who I'm voting for. I'll give you a hint. It's not Romney. Let me tell why from a veteran's perspective.

Republics failed to pass the Veterans Job Corps Act. I'm not voting for Romney for a whole host of reasons, but I'm holding the Republican Party as a whole for being so blatantly partisan at a time when veterans unemployment is a serious issue. I work with the veterans court in my county and I can that what they need are social services and jobs. Finding them housing, getting them help for substance abuse issues related to service, and finding them meaningful long term employment are the most important things to ensure that they are successful and do not end up back in court. Rather than pass a bipartisan bill that is paid for (only cost $1bn, anyway) and give any democrat something to trumpet during election time, they killed with a more-or-less straight party vote. I'll vote a straight democratic ticket based on that issue alone. But I've seen first hand how these social programs can help the veterans and I don't believe that Romney/Ryan have any interest in maintaining or expanding these social programs that my brothers so desperately need. I don't think their party does as well.
That's why this veteran is not voting for Romney
 
2012-09-25 12:02:40 PM  

Aar1012: Dr.Zom: Romney will need those veterans for the war against Iran. I'm sure as hell not going.

He could always send one of his kids...


Hell no! They'll be fighting the ever-important war on the home front with the Fighting Keyboard Commandos, vigilantly retorting to liberal YouTube videos and commenting on socialist opinion pieces..
 
2012-09-25 12:03:21 PM  

NeverDrunk23: Its depressing seeing people proudly vote for something that will hurt them the most in everything.


Seems like a pretty common theme these days. Master manipulators, or really stupid manipulees?
 
2012-09-25 12:03:23 PM  
As Gomer Pyle used to say: "Surprise, surprise".
 
2012-09-25 12:03:32 PM  
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHIATTING ME!!1!

Two Bush wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Romney stating he will go to war with Iran. 15 month tours of duty with little or no time off between tours. Gitmo and Abu Ghraib. A massive terror attack repeatedly warned about in Presidential Daily Briefings.

Obama ended extended repeated tours without time off. He brought back Eric Shinseki, the general who tried to warn us that several hundred thousand military personnel would be needed to take and hold Iraq--we eventually put 1.5 million military inside Iraq. He tried to close Gitmo and try prisoners in US Criminal Courts.

YOU HAVE TO BE FARKING SHIATTING ME!!1!

I hope the young veterans enjoy fighting Romney's war in Iran. Along with all those draftees that don't want to be there.
 
2012-09-25 12:07:33 PM  
My father in law is 92. He was in the Army starting in 1940. Was a drill sargeant throughout the war, was manning the big cannon on a tank at the Battle of the Bulge, got two purple hearts in Korea and retired when they tried to send him to Nam in 1966. He became a Christmas Tree farmer. He's somewhat raciest in that he goes nuts at the thought of any racially integrated marriage and thinks black folks are less intelligent as a group than whites (and he didn't think the Army should be integrated). He voted for Obama (and for that matter, every Dem. in his lifetime) and when asked about the "mixed marriage" thing he said "well, I'm against mixed marriage but I don't hold it against the children." He's really a pretty good guy.
 
2012-09-25 12:08:16 PM  

Cythraul: If I were a veteran, I know I'd definitely want to support a political party that wants to sacrifice me for one of their useless wars.


......and then vote against anything that might help you get a job.
 
2012-09-25 12:09:03 PM  
Yeah but he's winning the NASCAR vote so they'll cancel each other out.

I'll also add, I'm a veteren, as is my moms 73 year old boyfriend, and we're voting black. Unless Gene dies between now and Nov 6 that is, and then I'll vote twice just to make sure his vote is still counted. Fark Mitt Romeny.

There was also two articles in July's Navy Times that I found very interesting. One said that Vets support Republicans and the other talked about how the Military is battling racists in it's ranks. It was almost as if one had someting to do with the other. And again, Fark Mitt Romney.
 
2012-09-25 12:09:05 PM  
Guess we'll see how it all turns out in November...
 
2012-09-25 12:09:17 PM  

Ivandrago: No one asked me who I'm voting for. I'll give you a hint. It's not Romney. Let me tell why from a veteran's perspective.

Republics failed to pass the Veterans Job Corps Act...I work with the veterans court in my county and I can that what they need are social services and jobs. Finding them housing, getting them help for substance abuse issues related to service, and finding them meaningful long term employment are the most important things to ensure that they are successful...[Republicans] killed with a more-or-less straight party vote. I'll vote a straight democratic ticket based on that issue alone. But I've seen first hand how these social programs can help the veterans and I don't believe that Romney/Ryan have any interest in maintaining or expanding these social programs that my brothers so desperately need....

That's why this veteran is not voting for Romney


This. Bush got the United States involved in two simultaneous wars and didn't ask the American people to finance them with taxes or bonds or anything. The Republicans drove us deeper into debt and when hundreds of thousands of new veterans started coming home, they did NOT take care of them. Blocking that bill was probably the final nail in the casket of the Romney campaign.
 
2012-09-25 12:10:56 PM  
Veterans are heavily skewed towards the Republican's stronghold: old, white, male. So, no surprise there.
 
2012-09-25 12:12:25 PM  
Republicans only find them worthy of funding when they're healthy.
 
2012-09-25 12:12:58 PM  
Keep in mind that most infantry types join because they want to shoot at people and blow stuff up.
 
2012-09-25 12:14:42 PM  

natazha: Veterans are heavily skewed towards the Republican's stronghold: old, white, male. So, no surprise there.


Well two out of three. The military is more multicultural than the population as a whole. Poor people tend to join the military because they don't have many other options (certainly not ones that will pay for college), and there are more poor minorities than there are whites.
 
2012-09-25 12:14:44 PM  

OneTimed: I have no sympathy for people who vote against their own interests and suffer because of the consequences.


You're under the assumption that troops don't like to go into battle? I've met my share of the blood-thirsty type that get off on that to know better.

One guy I used to work with who was in the National Guard reserve had a pregnant wife and almost zero chance of getting deployed. He went out of his way to get himself sent to Afghanistan.

They may suffer the consequences of their actions but I don't believe they're voting against their interests. They're quite a number of troops who are very interested in going into war.  That's kind of why they joined the military.
 
2012-09-25 12:15:57 PM  

MFL: The fact that the DNC used Russian Warships and Turkish Jets in the background during their "tribute" to the troops.....might have a hand to play in this.

I mean, seriously....WTF is wrong with you people?


To be fair, the average Jane/Joe can't tell apart an F4/14/15/16/18, etc.
 
2012-09-25 12:15:58 PM  

Ivandrago: No one asked me who I'm voting for. I'll give you a hint. It's not Romney. Let me tell why from a veteran's perspective.

Republics failed to pass the Veterans Job Corps Act. I'm not voting for Romney for a whole host of reasons, but I'm holding the Republican Party as a whole for being so blatantly partisan at a time when veterans unemployment is a serious issue. I work with the veterans court in my county and I can that what they need are social services and jobs. Finding them housing, getting them help for substance abuse issues related to service, and finding them meaningful long term employment are the most important things to ensure that they are successful and do not end up back in court. Rather than pass a bipartisan bill that is paid for (only cost $1bn, anyway) and give any democrat something to trumpet during election time, they killed with a more-or-less straight party vote. I'll vote a straight democratic ticket based on that issue alone. But I've seen first hand how these social programs can help the veterans and I don't believe that Romney/Ryan have any interest in maintaining or expanding these social programs that my brothers so desperately need. I don't think their party does as well.
That's why this veteran is not voting for Romney


As another veteran, I agree 100%. I am always amazed why my ex-squadron mates that are tea partiers and are stumping for these chickenhawks who are nothing more than the brave brave Sir Robins.
 
2012-09-25 12:17:21 PM  

smimmy: OneTimed: I have no sympathy for people who vote against their own interests and suffer because of the consequences.

You're under the assumption that troops don't like to go into battle? I've met my share of the blood-thirsty type that get off on that to know better.

One guy I used to work with who was in the National Guard reserve had a pregnant wife and almost zero chance of getting deployed. He went out of his way to get himself sent to Afghanistan.

They may suffer the consequences of their actions but I don't believe they're voting against their interests. They're quite a number of troops who are very interested in going into war.  That's kind of why they joined the military.


The guard has a reserve component now?
 
2012-09-25 12:19:48 PM  
Seems every path leads me to nowhere
 
2012-09-25 12:20:10 PM  

Cythraul: If I were a veteran, I know I'd definitely want to support a political party that wants to sacrifice me for one of their useless wars.


And not help me get integrated back into society after that useless war.
 
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