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(CNN)   Columnist says Nazi hunting is still a worthy pursuit, mostly because you can just go to a German graveyard, point at some random graves from the 1940s, yell "FOUND 'EM", and spend the rest of the day drinking   (cnn.com) divider line 30
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2012-09-25 08:45:46 AM  
3 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: Subtle_Canary: Um yeah, they did. Once the war got into full swing and Germany's man power started feeling the pinch, the SS tended to conscript able bodied men to bolster its ranks (remember, the SS took retarded casualties on the Eastern Front. Fanatical loyalty combined with poor training tends to eat up manpower), The Auxillary SS that tended to be guards at camps were conscripts. Hell by 1944, most of the SS werent even German and of THOSE guys you had a better chance of finding some conscripted schlub with a beef against Stalin or whatever than any national socialist.

I'm sorry but as a soldier I'm not buying the "I was following orders" excuse


You would, if you had been a German soldier under the command of the Third Reich and controlled by the SS. Your application of your American sensibility that you are bound only to follow lawful orders would have resulted in your having been summarily shot and your family sent to the concentration camp in 1942. Don't be so smug about things you have never experienced. The enlisted soldiers of Nazi Germany, who grudgingly followed their orders, should not be held accountable for the orders of their superiors.
2012-09-25 08:36:55 AM  
3 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: cptjeff: I think you're seeing people reacting to the massive manhunt for the low level guys who were never really that significant to the Nazi party when they're 90 years old. It does absolutely no good for anybody, I think is the point.

Significant or not to them, an SS guard at a concentration camp is just as responsible as the person who pulled the trigger. These are not common Bundeswehr soldiers we're talking about, these are SS. No one just joined their ranks without being completely indoctrinated with the idea of exterminating certain groups of people.

Growing old is not a valid defense against what they did.


Bullshait. I'm sorry, but you're never going to convince me that prosecuting people who would have been shot if they refused is in any way just or appropriate. You can't hold ground level soldiers to the standard of your idyllic world where they refuse any evil order even when that would have resulted in their own death. This isn't your cub scout troop here- even if they pretty rapidly were shocked by the horrible stuff the SS was doing and wanted out, any act against their superiors would probably resulted in summary execution. You gonna hunt people down 70 years after the fact for being cowards? I don't think it's in any way appropriate to put anyone on trial who doesn't have any power to actually change things.

Go after the leaders, fine, but they're all dead. But at this point in time, going after the small fry does absolutely no good, and really rather disgusts me as somebody who cares about the rule of law. Yes, the Holocaust was unimaginably evil. Remember it, honor it, and allow it to pass into history. The war is over, and we won. I think we can allow some level of forgiveness at this point, even for somebody who played a very small role in an unspeakable evil.
2012-09-25 07:34:04 AM  
3 votes:
They'll always say there's some left over. If they say their done, they'd stop getting money and they simply can't have that, can they? In 50 years "Look, we know a former Nazi guard is hiding in Altoona, PA." "Ummm, that would make them over 140 years old." ".............NAZIS! NAZIS! NAZIS!"

I wonder, if in our lifetimes, the Holocaust card will ceased to be played as something to hold over the world's collective heads to extort what Israel wants.
2012-09-25 04:00:57 PM  
2 votes:
chuckufarlie

Not trying to tell you your business, but he asked you for a source regarding your claim of Germans bashing baby heads. You just called him a racist. He then pointed out where Jews talk about bashing baby heads...and you just call him a racist.

He's either really getting you worked up or you're not all there.
2012-09-25 12:35:29 PM  
2 votes:

Carousel Beast: Tat'dGreaser: Wow, Nazi-apologists. Fark really does have everything.

Fark is unbelievably anti-Jew. I have reserved Red #4 for [Anti-Semite] and threads like this are a sea of said color.



LULZ!

Only because you label anyone who says anything that could be deemed less-than-flattering to Zionism or the Zionist regime as an "anti-Semite". 

LULZ!
2012-09-25 09:57:38 AM  
2 votes:
cdn.thegloss.com

Found one!
2012-09-25 09:25:46 AM  
2 votes:
Sorry, but if you're claiming to be an instrument of justice, and ignore all other the war criminals who have committed their crimes only a few years ago and a few hundred miles away, so you can exclusively find war criminals who live thousands of miles away and committed their crimes against one particular race, your race, then you are in reality only an instrument of revenge. That isn't a noble cause, no matter what story you tell yourself.
2012-09-25 08:28:08 AM  
2 votes:
Where's the Dumbass tag when you need it. Any surviving Nazi war criminals would be between 90 and 110 years old. There cannot be more than a handful of them left. What purpose does it serve at this point to hunt them down and prosecute them. It's a rhetorical question, since the answer is none.

Of course, the object of the FA is not a columnist, but Dr. Efraim Zuroff, a Nazi hunter with the Israeli office of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. He has a vested interest ($$) in continuing to hunt down Nazis.

WWII ended 67 years ago and the Nazis have been brought to justice. It's time for the Jewish people to stop looking at themselves as victims. They have other, much more important problems to concentrate on.
2012-09-25 07:18:55 AM  
2 votes:
But will we be doing the same to the israeleans involved with clusterbombing the palestenians?
2012-09-25 07:18:09 AM  
2 votes:
Except the Nazis never won the legislature (Reichstag); they got their majority by physically removing the Communists. They never ran the country with popular approval; more than half of Germany was intimidated into silence. If you point to a random grave from the 1940s, you don't even have a coin's chances of being right.
2012-09-25 06:09:19 PM  
1 votes:
People like AQ are more responsible for the existence of Israel than Theodore Hertzl. Discuss.
2012-09-25 06:03:22 PM  
1 votes:

chuckufarlie: I do not consider calling somebody a Zionist to be an insult.


If someone wanted to make a state that was comprised of and ruled by [insert race here], they'd be called racist. I don't see why Zionism should be an exception. The concept has no place in the modern era.

I'm sure I'll be branded a racist for pointing this out though.
2012-09-25 10:21:18 AM  
1 votes:
The government of Armenia does not, as part of its policy, support denial of the Holocaust for no other reason than self-interest.

Israel, on the other hand, assisted Turkey in maintaining thier position that there was no Armenian Genocide because they didn't want to upset "thier only muslim ally".

Both sides are not the same.

/idiot
2012-09-25 10:13:01 AM  
1 votes:

Snort: If your job is Chief Nazi Hunter, then I suppose it is.

I have a hammer and you are in a bag full of nails and looking like a nail.

2012-09-25 10:11:27 AM  
1 votes:
Armenians envy how the jews have managed to commodify and sell thier brand of persecution to the rest of the world.

Seriously, take your self-righteous, hippocritical arguments and shove them up your ass. You don't care about genocide unless it was the jews who were affected. And no, your suffering was not the worst in the world. The goverment of Israel gave political support to the Turkish denial of the Armenian genocide by lobbying congress on thier behalf through AIPAC (back before the gaza flotilla incident).

Go fark yourself, Israel.
2012-09-25 09:38:44 AM  
1 votes:
Anyone here ever visted afghan mass graves dot org?
Because that is a fairly interesting site.
2012-09-25 09:09:58 AM  
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: JackieRabbit: You would, if you had been a German soldier under the command of the Third Reich and controlled by the SS. Your application of your American sensibility that you are bound only to follow lawful orders would have resulted in your having been summarily shot and your family sent to the concentration camp in 1942. Don't be so smug about things you have never experienced. The enlisted soldiers of Nazi Germany, who grudgingly followed their orders, should not be held accountable for the orders of their superiors.

Look, I was stationed in Germany for two years and I spoke with a lot of Germans who had grandfathers who were forced to fight. There is a huge difference between being forced to fight in the war and supposedly forced to guard a concentration camp. Being forced to fight on the Eastern front is way different than being an armed guard at a camp that's sole purpose was mass murder. They wouldn't just put some common foot soldier on that post, they were smarter than that. Too much to risk if you put someone not committed at that post.


Oh, yes, the would and they did. No one wanted to work in the concentration camps, not even most of the officers. It wasn't cushy duty; it was rather horrific. You spoke to Germans whose grandfathers fought in the war. I have spoken to actual German soldiers who fought in the war. Serving in the German military was not a pleasant experience for anyone. Serving under the control of the SS was to live in constant fear. One mistake, one suspicious association, one seemingly harmless remark could result in execution or, worse, been sent to a concentration camp yourself.
2012-09-25 09:04:29 AM  
1 votes:
I agree with everyone, it's time to let it go. These guys may have stood by and let people die but so have a ton of other people who are still out there and can be brought to justice more practically than a bunch of 90 year olds. The article writer is just an over zealous Jew.
2012-09-25 08:57:52 AM  
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: Subtle_Canary: Um yeah, they did. Once the war got into full swing and Germany's man power started feeling the pinch, the SS tended to conscript able bodied men to bolster its ranks (remember, the SS took retarded casualties on the Eastern Front. Fanatical loyalty combined with poor training tends to eat up manpower), The Auxillary SS that tended to be guards at camps were conscripts. Hell by 1944, most of the SS werent even German and of THOSE guys you had a better chance of finding some conscripted schlub with a beef against Stalin or whatever than any national socialist.

I'm sorry but as a soldier I'm not buying the "I was following orders" excuse


Then you are a fool. If 15 years from now the Iraq War is deemed an illegal war of occupation and the administration and, more importantly, the ALL VOLUNTEER FORCES THAT OCCUPIED IT, are all brought on charges, you gonna say you refused to go? No, because you didnt, you went overseas just like everyone else does, did your duty and came home expecting that as the winner that kind of shiat dont affect you.
2012-09-25 08:53:59 AM  
1 votes:

harbingerofdoom: i stopped reading when he tossed out the phrase "righteous gentile"


As someone of Jewish heritage I found that offensive. Yes, let's classify people by their "ethnicity"... that *always* works out for the best. The author is an asshole.
2012-09-25 08:43:34 AM  
1 votes:

Day_Old_Dutchie: How do "ordinary people" get roped in to doing horrible things?

Easy Google
Miligram Experiment
Sanford Prison Experiment

If you are (1) unfortunate enough to be presented with the opportunity to be an asshole plus (2) sadistic or weak-minded enough to participate, then sucks to be you, I suppose. Take your punishment.

The problem is that by nature the majority of human beings fall into (2). We clearly have some evolving to do, fellow humans.


We can choose to be better. We are frequently educated not to be.
2012-09-25 08:41:20 AM  
1 votes:

Barricaded Gunman: BoxOfBees: Prosecute low-level officers who were following orders when they were 20 years old and are now 90 years old? Sounds like a productive use of everyone's time and money.

You know what? It is. Because showing potential evildoers today that they'll be pursued until they're 90 years old or dead might make them reconsider doing evil things. Sort of like how prosecuting Nixon might have prevented Cheney & Company from running our country into the toilet for personal gain.

/Yes, I reverse-Godwinned the thread. I make no apologies.


Do you really think that the fear of prosecution 70 years down the road is in any way a factor for guys who live their lives with a significant chance that their rivals or opponents will kill them any day in a gruesome manner? That's the same argument advocates of the death penalty use, deluding themselves to believe that somehow kingpins of drug cartels are afraid of the possibility of being killed very peacefully in prison after a very long, drawn out trial. They live their lives with a much higher risk of gruesome death every day.
2012-09-25 08:19:21 AM  
1 votes:
Not really doing themselves any favors with arresting invalids that have a few painful years at most left on the planet.
2012-09-25 08:08:04 AM  
1 votes:

casual disregard: For all our comforts and our freedoms, we do nothing while people die. If I had a good idea to help the people of Syria, I would tell you. I wish I knew what to do. That will not stop me from hating murderers.


Oh no, I agree but it's such a delicate thing these days. I mean really the only way to stop a genocide is to invade and kill or capture the people who are committing the genocide which the international community would now agree with. Kind of a sh*t situation really.
2012-09-25 08:03:50 AM  
1 votes:

casual disregard: Tat'dGreaser: casual disregard: We said never again. And then we almost immediately turned our backs and let it happen again. And again. And again.

Cambodia. Darfur. Syria. Somalia. Etc.

Perhaps what we meant was "never again will we lift one finger against outrageous atrocities."

Question, how do you think we should have stopped those from happening?

For all our comforts and our freedoms, we do nothing while people die. If I had a good idea to help the people of Syria, I would tell you. I wish I knew what to do. That will not stop me from hating murderers.


It's simple really, kill all the bad people.
2012-09-25 07:42:11 AM  
1 votes:
Wow, Nazi-apologists. Fark really does have everything.
2012-09-25 07:34:19 AM  
1 votes:
Public Savant: But will we be doing the same to the israeleans involved with clusterbombing the palestenians?

OMG ANTI-SEMITE!!! BEAR WITNESS!! BEAR WITNESS!!! NEVAR AGAIN!!!
2012-09-25 07:34:14 AM  
1 votes:
i stopped reading when he tossed out the phrase "righteous gentile"
2012-09-25 07:33:53 AM  
1 votes:
Prosecute low-level officers who were following orders when they were 20 years old and are now 90 years old? Sounds like a productive use of everyone's time and money.
2012-09-25 07:13:57 AM  
1 votes:
Try not to bring up the war.
 
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