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(CNN)   Columnist says Nazi hunting is still a worthy pursuit, mostly because you can just go to a German graveyard, point at some random graves from the 1940s, yell "FOUND 'EM", and spend the rest of the day drinking   (cnn.com) divider line 260
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2012-09-25 12:08:03 PM

super_grass: chuckufarlie:

yes, you did say just that when you posted:

There are people in high leadership positions who ordered and oversaw mass killings living their golden years today without fear of retribution. There are military members who belong to the US and Israel who knowing massacred civilians and yet were given slaps on the wrist. There were many, many more genocides that happened after the holocaust that were ignored, and were allowed to happen because of the lack of political will. There were mass deportations and starvation of civilians during peacetime caused by Allied occupation that happened after the second world war.



Pointing out what we should go after leaders instead of willfully ignoring them, to stop injustice before it happens, and to stop committing atrocities ourselves counts as letting things slide now?

Is it opposite day in your timezone?


I left out the part where you stated that going after nazi war criminals while ignoring the others is hypocrisy.


You make a point and then deny it when somebody shows how ignorant your statement was.

Exactly what is your problem?
 
2012-09-25 12:11:46 PM

Porous Horace: Amos Quito: loki see loki do: He cites the case of Ivan (John) Demjanjuk. FFS, he was found not guilty by the Israelis, then tried as a supposedly completely different guard in Germany.

Seems awful fishy.


It's all about spiteful vengeance.

Once these bastards sink their teeth in, they NEVER let go. Guilt or innocence of an individual is irrelevant. They're getting their kicks by making SOMEONE suffer for their COLLECTIVE suffering.

Other than using this thread to slander Jews, what's your point? Should this man not stand trial?



Should John Demjanjuk stand trial?

Well, he's kinda sorta DEAD, but if it satisfies your lust for vengeance, go ahead. Then maybe you can piss on his grave and torture his relatives.

FEELS GOOD, Porous Horace!



/Irrelevant attempt at sidetrackling ignored
 
2012-09-25 12:20:02 PM

Amos Quito: Porous Horace: Amos Quito: loki see loki do: He cites the case of Ivan (John) Demjanjuk. FFS, he was found not guilty by the Israelis, then tried as a supposedly completely different guard in Germany.

Seems awful fishy.


It's all about spiteful vengeance.

Once these bastards sink their teeth in, they NEVER let go. Guilt or innocence of an individual is irrelevant. They're getting their kicks by making SOMEONE suffer for their COLLECTIVE suffering.

Other than using this thread to slander Jews, what's your point? Should this man not stand trial?


Should John Demjanjuk stand trial?

Well, he's kinda sorta DEAD, but if it satisfies your lust for vengeance, go ahead. Then maybe you can piss on his grave and torture his relatives.

FEELS GOOD, Porous Horace!

/Irrelevant attempt at sidetrackling ignored


My mistake, I didn't mean Demanjuk, who already stood trial.

And your pictures of Israeli soldiers wasn't "sidetrackling" ?

You only attack one mistake but make no apologies for your frothing and slanderous hatred. Good on you - you win the prize!

How do you live with all that hate? It can't be healthy.
I recommend you call your vet and check your medication.
 
2012-09-25 12:21:58 PM

chuckufarlie: super_grass: chuckufarlie:

yes, you did say just that when you posted:

There are people in high leadership positions who ordered and oversaw mass killings living their golden years today without fear of retribution. There are military members who belong to the US and Israel who knowing massacred civilians and yet were given slaps on the wrist. There were many, many more genocides that happened after the holocaust that were ignored, and were allowed to happen because of the lack of political will. There were mass deportations and starvation of civilians during peacetime caused by Allied occupation that happened after the second world war.



Pointing out what we should go after leaders instead of willfully ignoring them, to stop injustice before it happens, and to stop committing atrocities ourselves counts as letting things slide now?

Is it opposite day in your timezone?

I left out the part where you stated that going after nazi war criminals while ignoring the others is hypocrisy.


You make a point and then deny it when somebody shows how ignorant your statement was.

Exactly what is your problem?


I refuted the claim that going after a teen underling is somehow makes you a beacon justice when you ignore bigger criminals and crimes and even participate in similar atrocities.

Tell me how I'm dumb for thinking that.
 
2012-09-25 12:24:06 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Wow, Nazi-apologists. Fark really does have everything.


Fark is unbelievably anti-Jew. I have reserved Red #4 for [Anti-Semite] and threads like this are a sea of said color.

It must be a northern thing. Here in the South we're too busy hating different Protestant sects to care about non-Christians.
 
2012-09-25 12:29:27 PM

G.I.R.B.: Deep Contact: Wonder if they are still looking for Hitler?

He died in 1958 silly!


Luckily for us, it ended the Occult Wars.
 
2012-09-25 12:35:29 PM

Carousel Beast: Tat'dGreaser: Wow, Nazi-apologists. Fark really does have everything.

Fark is unbelievably anti-Jew. I have reserved Red #4 for [Anti-Semite] and threads like this are a sea of said color.



LULZ!

Only because you label anyone who says anything that could be deemed less-than-flattering to Zionism or the Zionist regime as an "anti-Semite". 

LULZ!
 
2012-09-25 12:39:02 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Snort: If your job is Chief Nazi Hunter, then I suppose it is.

I have a hammer and you are in a bag full of nails and looking like a nail.


I have this rock that keeps Nazis away.
 
2012-09-25 12:43:40 PM

Amos Quito: Carousel Beast: Tat'dGreaser: Wow, Nazi-apologists. Fark really does have everything.

Fark is unbelievably anti-Jew. I have reserved Red #4 for [Anti-Semite] and threads like this are a sea of said color.


LULZ!

Only because you label anyone who says anything that could be deemed less-than-flattering to Zionism or the Zionist regime as an "anti-Semite". 

LULZ!


Like when you claim that anyone calling out a Jew hater is playing the "anti-semite card" in an attempt to sh(o)ut them down?
 
2012-09-25 12:50:28 PM

super_grass: chuckufarlie: super_grass: chuckufarlie:

yes, you did say just that when you posted:

There are people in high leadership positions who ordered and oversaw mass killings living their golden years today without fear of retribution. There are military members who belong to the US and Israel who knowing massacred civilians and yet were given slaps on the wrist. There were many, many more genocides that happened after the holocaust that were ignored, and were allowed to happen because of the lack of political will. There were mass deportations and starvation of civilians during peacetime caused by Allied occupation that happened after the second world war.



Pointing out what we should go after leaders instead of willfully ignoring them, to stop injustice before it happens, and to stop committing atrocities ourselves counts as letting things slide now?

Is it opposite day in your timezone?

I left out the part where you stated that going after nazi war criminals while ignoring the others is hypocrisy.


You make a point and then deny it when somebody shows how ignorant your statement was.

Exactly what is your problem?

I refuted the claim that going after a teen underling is somehow makes you a beacon justice when you ignore bigger criminals and crimes and even participate in similar atrocities.

Tell me how I'm dumb for thinking that.


I see, you have trouble getting what is in your brain onto "paper". Hopefully, you will outgrow that.

The man in the article works for an organization that hunts down Nazi War Criminals. That is his job. That is what he is paid to do. It just so happens that most of the big Nazis have already been caught or are dead.

This "teen underling" is exactly the type the did a lot of the actual killing of millions of innocent civilians. Neither his age at the time, nor his position in the hierarchy, has any bearing on his guilt or innocence.
 
2012-09-25 12:52:22 PM

Porous Horace: Amos Quito: Carousel Beast: Tat'dGreaser: Wow, Nazi-apologists. Fark really does have everything.

Fark is unbelievably anti-Jew. I have reserved Red #4 for [Anti-Semite] and threads like this are a sea of said color.


LULZ!

Only because you label anyone who says anything that could be deemed less-than-flattering to Zionism or the Zionist regime as an "anti-Semite". 

LULZ!

Like when you claim that anyone calling out a Jew hater is playing the "anti-semite card" in an attempt to sh(o)ut them down?



You're a caricature of yourself, PoorUs WhoreUs.
 
2012-09-25 12:59:26 PM

chuckufarlie: The man in the article works for an organization that hunts down Nazi War Criminals. That is his job. That is what he is paid to do. It just so happens that most of the big Nazis have already been caught or are dead.



Sounds like nice, easy work - if you can get it. Sort of like being paid to hunt down and kill roving dinosaurs.

Oooh! And you even get the occasional, pandering news story that makes like you're some kind of Marvel Comic super-hero!


chuckufarlie: This "teen underling" is exactly the type the did a lot of the actual killing of millions of innocent civilians. Neither his age at the time, nor his position in the hierarchy, has any bearing on his guilt or innocence.



www.fiddlersgreen.net


So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?
 
2012-09-25 01:02:13 PM

chuckufarlie: super_grass: chuckufarlie: super_grass: chuckufarlie:

yes, you did say just that when you posted:

There are people in high leadership positions who ordered and oversaw mass killings living their golden years today without fear of retribution. There are military members who belong to the US and Israel who knowing massacred civilians and yet were given slaps on the wrist. There were many, many more genocides that happened after the holocaust that were ignored, and were allowed to happen because of the lack of political will. There were mass deportations and starvation of civilians during peacetime caused by Allied occupation that happened after the second world war.



Pointing out what we should go after leaders instead of willfully ignoring them, to stop injustice before it happens, and to stop committing atrocities ourselves counts as letting things slide now?

Is it opposite day in your timezone?

I left out the part where you stated that going after nazi war criminals while ignoring the others is hypocrisy.


You make a point and then deny it when somebody shows how ignorant your statement was.

Exactly what is your problem?

I refuted the claim that going after a teen underling is somehow makes you a beacon justice when you ignore bigger criminals and crimes and even participate in similar atrocities.

Tell me how I'm dumb for thinking that.

I see, you have trouble getting what is in your brain onto "paper". Hopefully, you will outgrow that.

The man in the article works for an organization that hunts down Nazi War Criminals. That is his job. That is what he is paid to do. It just so happens that most of the big Nazis have already been caught or are dead.

This "teen underling" is exactly the type the did a lot of the actual killing of millions of innocent civilians. Neither his age at the time, nor his position in the hierarchy, has any bearing on his guilt or innocence.


Calm down.

I never disputed the organization's job, perhaps you can link me to a post where I did?

And you seem to be fairly convinced that a 16 year old is the key to killing millions of people during a time of war. Why don't you explain how he was critical to the effort to kill people and not in some kind of duress, and how he must be stopped for the good of humanity while you display passivity towards the solders and leaders who commit crimes in modern times by comparison.

I'm waiting.
 
2012-09-25 01:13:46 PM
Let's follow the math. At the most extreme, a Nazi could have been, say 15 years old in 1945. That means he would have been born in 1930. The absolute oldest people in the world live to be 115-120.

This happy horsehiat won't go way until the 2060s. And maybe not even then.
 
2012-09-25 01:23:24 PM

Amos Quito: So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?


Innocent. The Enola Gay was one of two bombers that were carrying weapons. Only one of the weapons was active and set for detonation. Neither crew knew if they had the real bomb or not. They weren't supposed to for a number of reasons, both security-related and psychological. The both released their weapons, but only the Enola Gay's detonated. Besides, even if were were to concede that dropping a nuclear weapon on another people constitutes a war crime from the distance of over 60 years, the allies were the victors and victors don't prosecute their own soldiers for executing on an order approved by the Commander and Chief, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Congressional leadership and the allied governments.
 
2012-09-25 01:26:15 PM

JackieRabbit: Amos Quito: So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?

Innocent. The Enola Gay was one of two bombers that were carrying weapons. Only one of the weapons was active and set for detonation. Neither crew knew if they had the real bomb or not. They weren't supposed to for a number of reasons, both security-related and psychological. The both released their weapons, but only the Enola Gay's detonated. Besides, even if were were to concede that dropping a nuclear weapon on another people constitutes a war crime from the distance of over 60 years, the allies were the victors and victors don't prosecute their own soldiers for executing on an order approved by the Commander and Chief, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Congressional leadership and the allied governments.


NO!!!

The Enola Gay was the only bomber on the first mission carrying any sort of a bomb. Where in the hell did you get this stupid idea??
 
2012-09-25 01:27:58 PM

eggrolls: Let's follow the math. At the most extreme, a Nazi could have been, say 15 years old in 1945. That means he would have been born in 1930. The absolute oldest people in the world live to be 115-120.

This happy horsehiat won't go way until the 2060s. And maybe not even then.


The chances of any person fifteen years old at the end of the war was guilty of a war crime is very rare. Most of the crimes committed in the last months of the war would be hard to document.
 
2012-09-25 01:29:56 PM

super_grass: chuckufarlie: super_grass: chuckufarlie: super_grass: chuckufarlie:

yes, you did say just that when you posted:

There are people in high leadership positions who ordered and oversaw mass killings living their golden years today without fear of retribution. There are military members who belong to the US and Israel who knowing massacred civilians and yet were given slaps on the wrist. There were many, many more genocides that happened after the holocaust that were ignored, and were allowed to happen because of the lack of political will. There were mass deportations and starvation of civilians during peacetime caused by Allied occupation that happened after the second world war.



Pointing out what we should go after leaders instead of willfully ignoring them, to stop injustice before it happens, and to stop committing atrocities ourselves counts as letting things slide now?

Is it opposite day in your timezone?

I left out the part where you stated that going after nazi war criminals while ignoring the others is hypocrisy.


You make a point and then deny it when somebody shows how ignorant your statement was.

Exactly what is your problem?

I refuted the claim that going after a teen underling is somehow makes you a beacon justice when you ignore bigger criminals and crimes and even participate in similar atrocities.

Tell me how I'm dumb for thinking that.

I see, you have trouble getting what is in your brain onto "paper". Hopefully, you will outgrow that.

The man in the article works for an organization that hunts down Nazi War Criminals. That is his job. That is what he is paid to do. It just so happens that most of the big Nazis have already been caught or are dead.

This "teen underling" is exactly the type the did a lot of the actual killing of millions of innocent civilians. Neither his age at the time, nor his position in the hierarchy, has any bearing on his guilt or innocence.

Calm down.

I never disputed the organization's job, perhaps you can ...


You back pedal with the best of them.

He admitted to being a prison guard at a death camp. From there it is up to the courts to determine if he is guilty of anything. The SS at the camps are the ones who did the killing. Do the math.
 
2012-09-25 01:35:15 PM

JackieRabbit: Amos Quito: So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?

Innocent. The Enola Gay was one of two bombers that were carrying weapons. Only one of the weapons was active and set for detonation. Neither crew knew if they had the real bomb or not. They weren't supposed to for a number of reasons, both security-related and psychological. The both released their weapons, but only the Enola Gay's detonated. Besides, even if were were to concede that dropping a nuclear weapon on another people constitutes a war crime from the distance of over 60 years, the allies were the victors and victors don't prosecute their own soldiers for executing on an order approved by the Commander and Chief, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Congressional leadership and the allied governments.



So, had the Nazis won, who would they be hunting today?

And would you be "okay" with that?
 
2012-09-25 01:36:03 PM

Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: The man in the article works for an organization that hunts down Nazi War Criminals. That is his job. That is what he is paid to do. It just so happens that most of the big Nazis have already been caught or are dead.


Sounds like nice, easy work - if you can get it. Sort of like being paid to hunt down and kill roving dinosaurs.

Oooh! And you even get the occasional, pandering news story that makes like you're some kind of Marvel Comic super-hero!


chuckufarlie: This "teen underling" is exactly the type the did a lot of the actual killing of millions of innocent civilians. Neither his age at the time, nor his position in the hierarchy, has any bearing on his guilt or innocence.


[www.fiddlersgreen.net image 238x180]


So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?


I put you on my ignore list a long time ago because of your racist attitudes but this post is just too good to ignore. It shows the height of your stupidity.

The men in that photo dropped a bomb on a legitimate military target.

I am sure that you do not see the difference between a legitimate military target and bashing a baby's head against a wall.
 
2012-09-25 01:39:21 PM

Amos Quito: JackieRabbit: Amos Quito: So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?

Innocent. The Enola Gay was one of two bombers that were carrying weapons. Only one of the weapons was active and set for detonation. Neither crew knew if they had the real bomb or not. They weren't supposed to for a number of reasons, both security-related and psychological. The both released their weapons, but only the Enola Gay's detonated. Besides, even if were were to concede that dropping a nuclear weapon on another people constitutes a war crime from the distance of over 60 years, the allies were the victors and victors don't prosecute their own soldiers for executing on an order approved by the Commander and Chief, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Congressional leadership and the allied governments.


So, had the Nazis won, who would they be hunting today?

And would you be "okay" with that?


They would have had a very short list. Since the western Allies did not commit crimes on the scale of those committed by the Nazis, they would have very few people to go after.

The Germans invented the idea of bombing civilians. They would have been hard pressed to justify going after our people who bombed them. They might have done so, but I was hoping to make you see this rationally.

The simple fact is that there is nothing in the history of the western allies that even comes close to what went on in the Nazi death camps.
 
2012-09-25 01:46:26 PM

chuckufarlie: JackieRabbit: Amos Quito: So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?

Innocent. The Enola Gay was one of two bombers that were carrying weapons. Only one of the weapons was active and set for detonation. Neither crew knew if they had the real bomb or not. They weren't supposed to for a number of reasons, both security-related and psychological. The both released their weapons, but only the Enola Gay's detonated. Besides, even if were were to concede that dropping a nuclear weapon on another people constitutes a war crime from the distance of over 60 years, the allies were the victors and victors don't prosecute their own soldiers for executing on an order approved by the Commander and Chief, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Congressional leadership and the allied governments.

NO!!!

The Enola Gay was the only bomber on the first mission carrying any sort of a bomb. Where in the hell did you get this stupid idea??


From an USAF history book when I was in boot. Supposedly, her sister ship, Bockscar, was the other one. Bockscar dropped the bomb on Nagasaki. Bockscar used to be on display at the Georgia Veterans Memorial State Park, near Cordele. The plaque there told the same tale. But to be honest, it may just have been propaganda, since I can find nothing corroborating this version on the net.
 
2012-09-25 01:50:44 PM

chuckufarlie: Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: The man in the article works for an organization that hunts down Nazi War Criminals. That is his job. That is what he is paid to do. It just so happens that most of the big Nazis have already been caught or are dead.


Sounds like nice, easy work - if you can get it. Sort of like being paid to hunt down and kill roving dinosaurs.

Oooh! And you even get the occasional, pandering news story that makes like you're some kind of Marvel Comic super-hero!


chuckufarlie: This "teen underling" is exactly the type the did a lot of the actual killing of millions of innocent civilians. Neither his age at the time, nor his position in the hierarchy, has any bearing on his guilt or innocence.


[www.fiddlersgreen.net image 238x180]


So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?

I put you on my ignore list a long time ago because of your racist attitudes



What "racist attitudes"? And for / against which "race"?

Citation needed.

Oh, and because of your military knowledge, I have you Farkied with the military rank of "General Dick", FYI.


chuckufarlie: I am sure that you do not see the difference between a legitimate military target and bashing a baby's head against a wall.



It's DRAMA TIME!

Who smashed a baby's head against a wall? All Nazi SS men? Was it a duty, or a privilege?
 
2012-09-25 01:53:55 PM

chuckufarlie: You back pedal with the best of them.


I did no such thing.

You, however, switched back and forth between calling him a war criminal and saying that we need a court to decide on his guilt.
 
2012-09-25 01:59:37 PM

chuckufarlie: So, had the Nazis won, who would they be hunting today?

And would you be "okay" with that?

They would have had a very short list. Since the western Allies did not commit crimes on the scale of those committed by the Nazis, they would have very few people to go after.



At least not in the sanitized versions of events. I guess you never heard of the atrocities committed by "the allies" especially (but by no means exclusively) the Soviets both during AND after the war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

But we know whose version of "history" most of us are spoonfed, don't we?
 
2012-09-25 02:24:43 PM

Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: So, had the Nazis won, who would they be hunting today?

And would you be "okay" with that?

They would have had a very short list. Since the western Allies did not commit crimes on the scale of those committed by the Nazis, they would have very few people to go after.


At least not in the sanitized versions of events. I guess you never heard of the atrocities committed by "the allies" especially (but by no means exclusively) the Soviets both during AND after the war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

But we know whose version of "history" most of us are spoonfed, don't we?


You truly are stupid. Of course I know about Soviet atrocities. Why do you think that I specified Western Allies?

But if you have any evidence that the Western Allies committed any atrocities, lets have them. I will keep in mind that anything you is going to be biased by your hatred and racism.
 
2012-09-25 02:25:46 PM

super_grass: chuckufarlie: You back pedal with the best of them.

I did no such thing.

You, however, switched back and forth between calling him a war criminal and saying that we need a court to decide on his guilt.


I have always said that a trial is needed. What sort of ignorant barbarian are you that you would think otherwise.
 
2012-09-25 02:26:36 PM

Amos Quito:
Who smashed a baby's head against a wall? All Nazi SS men? Was it a duty, or a privilege?


It's statements such as these that reveal you to be the loathsome piece of shyte that you are.

Ironically, I should be thanking you. This past nine months of "debate" where all manner of lies and truths have been brought out has made me ten times the Zionist than I ever was before and has strengthened my feeling towards Israel as being the right and proper homeland for all Jews. I'm even considering making aliyah!
 
2012-09-25 02:32:57 PM

chuckufarlie: I will keep in mind that anything you is going to be biased by your hatred and racism.



Before we go on, again I ask: my "hatred and "racism" against WHO? Which "race" do you suppose that I favor/hate?

Out with it, General D.!
 
2012-09-25 02:34:27 PM
JackieRabbiatchuckufarlie: JackieRabbit: Amos Quito: So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?

Innocent. The Enola Gay was one of two bombers that were carrying weapons. Only one of the weapons was active and set for detonation. Neither crew knew if they had the real bomb or not. They weren't supposed to for a number of reasons, both security-related and psychological. The both released their weapons, but only the Enola Gay's detonated. Besides, even if were were to concede that dropping a nuclear weapon on another people constitutes a war crime from the distance of over 60 years, the allies were the victors and victors don't prosecute their own soldiers for executing on an order approved by the Commander and Chief, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Congressional leadership and the allied governments.

NO!!!

The Enola Gay was the only bomber on the first mission carrying any sort of a bomb. Where in the hell did you get this stupid idea??

From an USAF history book when I was in boot. Supposedly, her sister ship, Bockscar, was the other one. Bockscar dropped the bomb on Nagasaki. Bockscar used to be on display at the Georgia Veterans Memorial State Park, near Cordele. The plaque there told the same tale. But to be honest, it may just have been propaganda, since I can find nothing corroborating this version on the net.

The Enola Gay dropped a bomb on Hiroshima on 6 August. Bockscar dropped a bomb on Nagasaki on the 9th of August. Bockscar has been on display at the Air Force Museum at WPAFB since 1961.

There was one bomb per mission.
 
2012-09-25 02:35:36 PM

Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: I will keep in mind that anything you is going to be biased by your hatred and racism.


Before we go on, again I ask: my "hatred and "racism" against WHO? Which "race" do you suppose that I favor/hate?

Out with it, General D.!


You need proof of your own racism?
 
2012-09-25 02:36:19 PM

chuckufarlie: The men in that photo dropped a bomb on a legitimate military target.


Hate to break it to you, but the ONLY reason we dropped the nuke on Hiroshima was because it was an unimportant target in nearly every respect (it had some military, but it wasn't a key target), so we could keep from bombing it with conventional weapons at no cost to the war effort. It had typically developed infrastructure so we could have an accurate assessment of the devastation.
 
2012-09-25 02:38:17 PM

Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: The man in the article works for an organization that hunts down Nazi War Criminals. That is his job. That is what he is paid to do. It just so happens that most of the big Nazis have already been caught or are dead.


Sounds like nice, easy work - if you can get it. Sort of like being paid to hunt down and kill roving dinosaurs.

Oooh! And you even get the occasional, pandering news story that makes like you're some kind of Marvel Comic super-hero!


chuckufarlie: This "teen underling" is exactly the type the did a lot of the actual killing of millions of innocent civilians. Neither his age at the time, nor his position in the hierarchy, has any bearing on his guilt or innocence.


[www.fiddlersgreen.net image 238x180]


So what about these guys?

Guilty, or innocent?

I put you on my ignore list a long time ago because of your racist attitudes


What "racist attitudes"? And for / against which "race"?

Citation needed.

Oh, and because of your military knowledge, I have you Farkied with the military rank of "General Dick", FYI.


chuckufarlie: I am sure that you do not see the difference between a legitimate military target and bashing a baby's head against a wall.


It's DRAMA TIME!

Who smashed a baby's head against a wall? All Nazi SS men? Was it a duty, or a privilege?


I would think that somebody with your level of racism would have read everything possible about the atrocities committed by the Germans.

No, not ALL SS. You would probably consider it a privilege. The rest of the sane world consider it a crime.
 
2012-09-25 02:43:10 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: chuckufarlie: The men in that photo dropped a bomb on a legitimate military target.

Hate to break it to you, but the ONLY reason we dropped the nuke on Hiroshima was because it was an unimportant target in nearly every respect (it had some military, but it wasn't a key target), so we could keep from bombing it with conventional weapons at no cost to the war effort. It had typically developed infrastructure so we could have an accurate assessment of the devastation.


Hate to break it to you but you are wrong. Hiroshima was not an unimportant target. We bombed it to end the war.

Following the Sino-Japanese War, with its military-related depots, Hiroshima gradually took on the atmosphere of a military supply base. In 1942, the Marine Headquarters (commonly known as the Akatsuki Corps) was established in the city. Link
 
2012-09-25 02:48:32 PM

ha-ha-guy: Personally I disagree with the Nuremberg ruling that "following orders" isn't valid. I agree it isn't excuse, but I'd argue it provides mitigating circumstances. If you're some 20 year old guard and fail to do your job in Nazi Germany, odds are you get two bullets to your head. Then the Gestapo goes out and grabs your family and does unpleasant stuff to your family. That way the guy they get to replace does his job.

When the central government is busy planning atrocities, they tend to ensure they get carried out via the threat of reprisal against their own expandable grunts. The average person didn't tell Stalin, Hitler, or Mao "No" when asked to do something. Of course the average person never really did interact with any of those, rather you didn't tell the Gestapo, the KGB, or the Red Guard "no".

IMHO we should identify and hunt down those who set up the apparatus of terror. The guys who created the Gestapo, who formed Hitler's planning departments, regional heads, etc. A lot of the guys on the ground were doing it for ration coupons so they could put food on the table for their family and perhaps thinking "fark, I should have moved the family to America back in '33 like my next door neighbor did".

At the end of the day it seems like punishing people who opted not to rock the boat and keep their family fed and sheltered. Not inhuman monsters, but guys who opted to conform to the system rather than take some kind stand that would get their family tossed into a camp. Basically they accepted the normalization of evil and all that, but that's because they're only human. The guy who needs a bullet in his head is the guy who did all the work to figure out how to normalize the atrocity and sell it. Punishing some guy who just conformed to the system or was young, dumb, and easily swayed by propaganda is just being a vengeful dick.

At the end of the day the fact that someday you might be held accountable by some Nuremberg type tribunal at some later date ...


I agree with you in principle, but the folks at Nuremberg, and at the many subsequent war crimes trials, were precisely those people who set up the apparatus of terror. They did not try 20 year old grunts. I don't think they have tried to apprehend all of the guards at the camps, just those who had a reputation for being especially sadistic. These were the people who were the leaders, and people who went above and beyond the call of "duty" with their sadism. Yet, they still claimed they were just following orders. But that was a lie.
 
2012-09-25 02:55:35 PM

chuckufarlie: eggrolls: Let's follow the math. At the most extreme, a Nazi could have been, say 15 years old in 1945. That means he would have been born in 1930. The absolute oldest people in the world live to be 115-120.

This happy horsehiat won't go way until the 2060s. And maybe not even then.

The chances of any person fifteen years old at the end of the war was guilty of a war crime is very rare. Most of the crimes committed in the last months of the war would be hard to document.


That was kind of my point. The absurdity of the effort involved to punish everyone with even the most tangential connection to the horrors of a war. Some people WOULD pursue it for a century.
 
2012-09-25 02:56:40 PM

LMark: ha-ha-guy: Personally I disagree with the Nuremberg ruling that "following orders" isn't valid. I agree it isn't excuse, but I'd argue it provides mitigating circumstances. If you're some 20 year old guard and fail to do your job in Nazi Germany, odds are you get two bullets to your head. Then the Gestapo goes out and grabs your family and does unpleasant stuff to your family. That way the guy they get to replace does his job.

When the central government is busy planning atrocities, they tend to ensure they get carried out via the threat of reprisal against their own expandable grunts. The average person didn't tell Stalin, Hitler, or Mao "No" when asked to do something. Of course the average person never really did interact with any of those, rather you didn't tell the Gestapo, the KGB, or the Red Guard "no".

IMHO we should identify and hunt down those who set up the apparatus of terror. The guys who created the Gestapo, who formed Hitler's planning departments, regional heads, etc. A lot of the guys on the ground were doing it for ration coupons so they could put food on the table for their family and perhaps thinking "fark, I should have moved the family to America back in '33 like my next door neighbor did".

At the end of the day it seems like punishing people who opted not to rock the boat and keep their family fed and sheltered. Not inhuman monsters, but guys who opted to conform to the system rather than take some kind stand that would get their family tossed into a camp. Basically they accepted the normalization of evil and all that, but that's because they're only human. The guy who needs a bullet in his head is the guy who did all the work to figure out how to normalize the atrocity and sell it. Punishing some guy who just conformed to the system or was young, dumb, and easily swayed by propaganda is just being a vengeful dick.

At the end of the day the fact that someday you might be held accountable by some Nuremberg type tribunal at some ...


Your comments only address the main trial at Nuremberg. They also held other trials at Nuremberg and other places in Europe. Prison guards were tried on many occasions, especially in Poland, where the crimes happened. They will hold a trial for this guy and they will determine his guilt/innocence.

It is not vengeful to go after the people who actually did the killing. They are most certainly guilty.

The problem that most of you have is that you have no idea what this guy what he might have done. You also seem to want to determine his guilt/innocence here on the internet. He will get a fair trial.

Twenty years of age is a common age for a soldier.
 
2012-09-25 02:58:49 PM

eggrolls: chuckufarlie: eggrolls: Let's follow the math. At the most extreme, a Nazi could have been, say 15 years old in 1945. That means he would have been born in 1930. The absolute oldest people in the world live to be 115-120.

This happy horsehiat won't go way until the 2060s. And maybe not even then.

The chances of any person fifteen years old at the end of the war was guilty of a war crime is very rare. Most of the crimes committed in the last months of the war would be hard to document.

That was kind of my point. The absurdity of the effort involved to punish everyone with even the most tangential connection to the horrors of a war. Some people WOULD pursue it for a century.


A. No punishment will be applied until he is given a fair trial.

B. We are near the end of these events because most of the perps are very, very old. It will not last more than a few more years. Your original statement is absurd.
 
2012-09-25 02:59:25 PM

chuckufarlie: BraveNewCheneyWorld: chuckufarlie: The men in that photo dropped a bomb on a legitimate military target.

Hate to break it to you, but the ONLY reason we dropped the nuke on Hiroshima was because it was an unimportant target in nearly every respect (it had some military, but it wasn't a key target), so we could keep from bombing it with conventional weapons at no cost to the war effort. It had typically developed infrastructure so we could have an accurate assessment of the devastation.

Hate to break it to you but you are wrong. Hiroshima was not an unimportant target. We bombed it to end the war.

Following the Sino-Japanese War, with its military-related depots, Hiroshima gradually took on the atmosphere of a military supply base. In 1942, the Marine Headquarters (commonly known as the Akatsuki Corps) was established in the city. Link


This. Also, Kyoto and Tokyo were potential targets right up to the last minute. Hiroshima was chosen because of unfavorable weather conditions over the other cities.
 
2012-09-25 03:02:10 PM

chuckufarlie: eggrolls: chuckufarlie: eggrolls: Let's follow the math. At the most extreme, a Nazi could have been, say 15 years old in 1945. That means he would have been born in 1930. The absolute oldest people in the world live to be 115-120.

This happy horsehiat won't go way until the 2060s. And maybe not even then.

The chances of any person fifteen years old at the end of the war was guilty of a war crime is very rare. Most of the crimes committed in the last months of the war would be hard to document.

That was kind of my point. The absurdity of the effort involved to punish everyone with even the most tangential connection to the horrors of a war. Some people WOULD pursue it for a century.

A. No punishment will be applied until he is given a fair trial.

B. We are near the end of these events because most of the perps are very, very old. It will not last more than a few more years. Your original statement is absurd.


YES. IT WAS.

You're still not getting it, are you?
 
2012-09-25 03:02:15 PM

eggrolls: chuckufarlie: BraveNewCheneyWorld: chuckufarlie: The men in that photo dropped a bomb on a legitimate military target.

Hate to break it to you, but the ONLY reason we dropped the nuke on Hiroshima was because it was an unimportant target in nearly every respect (it had some military, but it wasn't a key target), so we could keep from bombing it with conventional weapons at no cost to the war effort. It had typically developed infrastructure so we could have an accurate assessment of the devastation.

Hate to break it to you but you are wrong. Hiroshima was not an unimportant target. We bombed it to end the war.

Following the Sino-Japanese War, with its military-related depots, Hiroshima gradually took on the atmosphere of a military supply base. In 1942, the Marine Headquarters (commonly known as the Akatsuki Corps) was established in the city. Link

This. Also, Kyoto and Tokyo were potential targets right up to the last minute. Hiroshima was chosen because of unfavorable weather conditions over the other cities.


Tokyo was not on the list because they did not want to kill the Emperor. Kyoto was not on the list because of all of the ancient buildings there.
 
2012-09-25 03:02:24 PM

Porous Horace: Amos Quito:
Who smashed a baby's head against a wall? All Nazi SS men? Was it a duty, or a privilege?

It's statements such as these that reveal you to be the loathsome piece of shyte that you are.



War is rife with stories, tales, anecdotes and outright lies meant to DEMONIZE the enemy. Remember Saddam's WMD's?

I was asking for the origin of the story. Is it legitimate, or just another massive exaggeration?


Porous Horace: Ironically, I should be thanking you. This past nine months of "debate" where all manner of lies and truths have been brought out has made me ten times the Zionist than I ever was before and has strengthened my feeling towards Israel as being the right and proper homeland for all Jews. I'm even considering making aliyah!



First, I think it's shameful that you feel compelled to lie in order to defend your defenseless positions.

Second, if you wish to make "aliyah", I suggest that you convince ten others to to the same, that each of those should convince ten others (and so on).

Bon voyage, Porous Horace!

Don't forget to write!
 
2012-09-25 03:03:16 PM

chuckufarlie: Hate to break it to you but you are wrong. Hiroshima was not an unimportant target. We bombed it to end the war.


Why do you lie so goddamn much?

^ Leslie Groves, Now it Can be Told: The Story of the Manhattan Project, 1962. In April 1945, General Groves was instructed to pick targets for the nuclear bombs. Page 267, "To enable us to assess accurately the effects of the bomb, the targets should not have been previously damaged by air raids." Four cities were chosen, including Hiroshima and Kyoto. War Secretary Stimson vetoed Kyoto, and Nagasaki was substituted. Page 275, "When our target cities were first selected, an order was sent to the Army Air Force in Guam not to bomb them without special authority from the War Department."
 
2012-09-25 03:05:27 PM

eggrolls: chuckufarlie: eggrolls: chuckufarlie: eggrolls: Let's follow the math. At the most extreme, a Nazi could have been, say 15 years old in 1945. That means he would have been born in 1930. The absolute oldest people in the world live to be 115-120.

This happy horsehiat won't go way until the 2060s. And maybe not even then.

The chances of any person fifteen years old at the end of the war was guilty of a war crime is very rare. Most of the crimes committed in the last months of the war would be hard to document.

That was kind of my point. The absurdity of the effort involved to punish everyone with even the most tangential connection to the horrors of a war. Some people WOULD pursue it for a century.

A. No punishment will be applied until he is given a fair trial.

B. We are near the end of these events because most of the perps are very, very old. It will not last more than a few more years. Your original statement is absurd.

YES. IT WAS.

You're still not getting it, are you?


You made the statement: "This happy horsehiat won't go way until the 2060s. And maybe not even then."

When addressing the crimes of WWII, this is absurd.
 
2012-09-25 03:07:15 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: chuckufarlie: Hate to break it to you but you are wrong. Hiroshima was not an unimportant target. We bombed it to end the war.

Why do you lie so goddamn much?

^ Leslie Groves, Now it Can be Told: The Story of the Manhattan Project, 1962. In April 1945, General Groves was instructed to pick targets for the nuclear bombs. Page 267, "To enable us to assess accurately the effects of the bomb, the targets should not have been previously damaged by air raids." Four cities were chosen, including Hiroshima and Kyoto. War Secretary Stimson vetoed Kyoto, and Nagasaki was substituted. Page 275, "When our target cities were first selected, an order was sent to the Army Air Force in Guam not to bomb them without special authority from the War Department."


Where in any of that does it say that Hiroshima was not an important target?


I gave you a link from a Japanese source at the Hiroshima museum. Why would they lie?
 
2012-09-25 03:09:13 PM

Amos Quito: Porous Horace: Amos Quito:
Who smashed a baby's head against a wall? All Nazi SS men? Was it a duty, or a privilege?

It's statements such as these that reveal you to be the loathsome piece of shyte that you are.


War is rife with stories, tales, anecdotes and outright lies meant to DEMONIZE the enemy. Remember Saddam's WMD's?

I was asking for the origin of the story. Is it legitimate, or just another massive exaggeration?


Porous Horace: Ironically, I should be thanking you. This past nine months of "debate" where all manner of lies and truths have been brought out has made me ten times the Zionist than I ever was before and has strengthened my feeling towards Israel as being the right and proper homeland for all Jews. I'm even considering making aliyah!


First, I think it's shameful that you feel compelled to lie in order to defend your defenseless positions.

Second, if you wish to make "aliyah", I suggest that you convince ten others to to the same, that each of those should convince ten others (and so on).

Bon voyage, Porous Horace!

Don't forget to write!


You are a true piece of work. No wonder I put you on ignore. I think you need to go back on that list.
 
2012-09-25 03:17:01 PM

chuckufarlie: Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: I will keep in mind that anything you is going to be biased by your hatred and racism.


Before we go on, again I ask: my "hatred and "racism" against WHO? Which "race" do you suppose that I favor/hate?

Out with it, General D.!

You need proof of your own racism?



No, you need to prove you allegations.

You fail, General D.


chuckufarlie: It's DRAMA TIME!

Who smashed a baby's head against a wall? All Nazi SS men? Was it a duty, or a privilege?

I would think that somebody with your level of racism would have read everything possible about the atrocities committed by the Germans.

No, not ALL SS. You would probably consider it a privilege. The rest of the sane world consider it a crime.



I was asking for the ORIGIN of this tale, for credible evidence that such things actually took place.

I'll do a Google search...

Ah! Found it!

QUOTE:

he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!

English Standard Version (©2001)
Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Blessed is he who will seize your infants and will dash the rocks!

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Blessed is the one who grabs your little children and smashes them against a rock.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Happy shall he be, that takes and dashes your little ones against the stones.

American King James Version
Happy shall he be, that takes and dashes your little ones against the stones.

American Standard Version
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones Against the rock.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Blessed be he that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock.

Darby Bible Translation
Happy he that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rock.

English Revised Version
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rock.

Webster's Bible Translation
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

World English Bible
Happy shall he be, who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock. By David.

Young's Literal Translation
O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

END QUOTE

Psalm 137:9

And here it is in context:

"7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
"Tear it down," they cried,
"tear it down to its foundations!"
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.


So it LOOKS like the source of this story is Psalms, and it APPEARS to have been written by some ancient Hebrew who was fantasizing about what Jews should do to THEIR enemies

Doesn't it look like that to YOU, chuckufarlie?
 
2012-09-25 03:24:16 PM

chuckufarlie: Amos Quito: Porous Horace: Amos Quito:
Who smashed a baby's head against a wall? All Nazi SS men? Was it a duty, or a privilege?

It's statements such as these that reveal you to be the loathsome piece of shyte that you are.


War is rife with stories, tales, anecdotes and outright lies meant to DEMONIZE the enemy. Remember Saddam's WMD's?

I was asking for the origin of the story. Is it legitimate, or just another massive exaggeration?


Porous Horace: Ironically, I should be thanking you. This past nine months of "debate" where all manner of lies and truths have been brought out has made me ten times the Zionist than I ever was before and has strengthened my feeling towards Israel as being the right and proper homeland for all Jews. I'm even considering making aliyah!


First, I think it's shameful that you feel compelled to lie in order to defend your defenseless positions.

Second, if you wish to make "aliyah", I suggest that you convince ten others to to the same, that each of those should convince ten others (and so on).

Bon voyage, Porous Horace!

Don't forget to write!

You are a true piece of work. No wonder I put you on ignore.



You put me on ignore because I call you on your bullshiat, and that bothers you - makes you feel bad inside.


chuckufarlie: I think you need to go back on that list.



And just in the nick of time!

Now you can pretend that you never saw that Psalms 137 reference.

/Whew!
 
2012-09-25 03:35:05 PM

chuckufarlie: BraveNewCheneyWorld: chuckufarlie: Hate to break it to you but you are wrong. Hiroshima was not an unimportant target. We bombed it to end the war.

Why do you lie so goddamn much?

^ Leslie Groves, Now it Can be Told: The Story of the Manhattan Project, 1962. In April 1945, General Groves was instructed to pick targets for the nuclear bombs. Page 267, "To enable us to assess accurately the effects of the bomb, the targets should not have been previously damaged by air raids." Four cities were chosen, including Hiroshima and Kyoto. War Secretary Stimson vetoed Kyoto, and Nagasaki was substituted. Page 275, "When our target cities were first selected, an order was sent to the Army Air Force in Guam not to bomb them without special authority from the War Department."

Where in any of that does it say that Hiroshima was not an important target?


How can you read that citation and conclude that from the beginning, Hiroshima, a city on the water and fully accessible to bombers, yet was never bombed prior to its selection could have been strategically important? Look, I'd love to walk you through the very basic logic, but I think I'd be wasting my time.
 
2012-09-25 03:35:49 PM

Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: Amos Quito: Porous Horace: Amos Quito:
Who smashed a baby's head against a wall? All Nazi SS men? Was it a duty, or a privilege?

It's statements such as these that reveal you to be the loathsome piece of shyte that you are.


War is rife with stories, tales, anecdotes and outright lies meant to DEMONIZE the enemy. Remember Saddam's WMD's?

I was asking for the origin of the story. Is it legitimate, or just another massive exaggeration?


Porous Horace: Ironically, I should be thanking you. This past nine months of "debate" where all manner of lies and truths have been brought out has made me ten times the Zionist than I ever was before and has strengthened my feeling towards Israel as being the right and proper homeland for all Jews. I'm even considering making aliyah!


First, I think it's shameful that you feel compelled to lie in order to defend your defenseless positions.

Second, if you wish to make "aliyah", I suggest that you convince ten others to to the same, that each of those should convince ten others (and so on).

Bon voyage, Porous Horace!

Don't forget to write!

You are a true piece of work. No wonder I put you on ignore.


You put me on ignore because I call you on your bullshiat, and that bothers you - makes you feel bad inside.


chuckufarlie: I think you need to go back on that list.


And just in the nick of time!

Now you can pretend that you never saw that Psalms 137 reference.

/Whew!


I do not pay attention to any of your hateful, racist lies. But there are times when your lies need to be revealed for what they are.

I have posted no bullshiat. I have revealed yours.
 
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