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(Deadspin)   After Monday Night Football debacle, the commissioner of the Lingerie Football League announces that some of the replacement NFL refs used to work in his league. And were fired for "incompetent officiating." Your move, Rog   (deadspin.com) divider line 113
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2012-09-25 04:01:53 AM  
All to save spending 0.05% of annual profits on qualified professionals.
 
2012-09-25 04:22:32 AM  

impaler: All to save spending 0.05% of annual profits on qualified professionals.


Yep.
 
2012-09-25 04:24:01 AM  
Funniest story of the year so far. I have a feeling the NFL will have a deal with the real refs by, oh end of business Monday?
 
2012-09-25 04:34:38 AM  

Confabulat: oh end of business Monday?


Considering it was a Monday Night Football game, I think you mean Tuesday ;)
 
2012-09-25 04:40:49 AM  
oh right. I work nights, it's all the same to me.
 
2012-09-25 05:09:29 AM  
If I was the leader of the locked out refs; I would turn off the phone and start working on new demands.
 
2012-09-25 05:29:39 AM  
I just saw a replay of that throw, and it certainly looked like the Packers' DB intercepted the ball. Even a slow motion review showed the DB had his hands on the ball first, and came down with it and then got up with the football. So how did the refs decide the Seattle WR caught the ball, and why wasn't instant replay used to reverse the on field call?
 
2012-09-25 05:30:24 AM  
Funny. You'd think the Lingerie Football League would want as many boobs as possible
 
2012-09-25 05:31:12 AM  
If this is true... that was the best smack to ever come out of the LFL... wait. no. no, it probably isnt.
 
2012-09-25 05:55:53 AM  

RDixon: If I was the leader of the locked out refs; I would turn off the phone and start working on new demands.


Ha I'd turn off the phone until about, um, when do the Vegas lines get sealed up?
 
2012-09-25 06:02:44 AM  

RDixon: If I was the leader of the locked out refs; I would turn off the phone and start working on new demands.


We want ponies, and more money than we asked for before, and Hochuli wants pectoral implants...
 
2012-09-25 06:28:40 AM  
Hell, if the real refs play their cards right, they might come out of this with a cool mil a year.

/assuming ratings stop going UP while they're away
 
2012-09-25 06:33:31 AM  

Confabulat: Funniest story of the year so far. I have a feeling the NFL will have a deal with the real refs by, oh end of business Monday?


Wrong..everyone is watching and talking about the nfl..this is great advertisement

Plus why should some over paid refs get a pension when a large majority of the united states has to deal with 401k for their retirement..its a fair deal
 
2012-09-25 06:37:13 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Funny. You'd think the Lingerie Football League would want as many boobs as possible


i don't care what anyone else thinks, that is a nice piece of business right there
 
2012-09-25 06:45:32 AM  

Bendal: I just saw a replay of that throw, and it certainly looked like the Packers' DB intercepted the ball. Even a slow motion review showed the DB had his hands on the ball first, and came down with it and then got up with the football. So how did the refs decide the Seattle WR caught the ball, and why wasn't instant replay used to reverse the on field call?


Jeez, you didn't want to walk through the 2000+ thread for the game? It was explained there..:-).

To answer your question simply, a ref (incorrectly) called the catch a TD. Thus, any replay review could only check if that catch was legal. There is no procedure to determine who actually caught the ball. Once those two arms went up for a TD, the die was cast.

If you have time, check out the final page of the MNF thread. Much jockularity.
 
2012-09-25 06:48:40 AM  

FitzShivering: Hell, if the real refs play their cards right, they might come out of this with a cool mil a year.

/assuming ratings stop going UP while they're away


A lot of people with the ability to do something about their anger are VERY angry about how this game ended.

Capice?
 
2012-09-25 07:12:47 AM  

ozarkmatt: FitzShivering: Hell, if the real refs play their cards right, they might come out of this with a cool mil a year.

/assuming ratings stop going UP while they're away

A lot of people with the ability to do something about their anger are VERY angry about how this game ended.

Capice?


But a lot of people are also aware of how lulzy this is for unbiased observers and might tune in just for the laugh.
 
2012-09-25 07:16:14 AM  

ozarkmatt: Bendal: I just saw a replay of that throw, and it certainly looked like the Packers' DB intercepted the ball. Even a slow motion review showed the DB had his hands on the ball first, and came down with it and then got up with the football. So how did the refs decide the Seattle WR caught the ball, and why wasn't instant replay used to reverse the on field call?

Jeez, you didn't want to walk through the 2000+ thread for the game? It was explained there..:-).

To answer your question simply, a ref (incorrectly) called the catch a TD. Thus, any replay review could only check if that catch was legal. There is no procedure to determine who actually caught the ball. Once those two arms went up for a TD, the die was cast.

If you have time, check out the final page of the MNF thread. Much jockularity.


Actually I had to wade through about the last 10 pages of troll argument and exposition to get to the actual "did he/didn't he catch it" part, but yeah, that was farked up.
 
2012-09-25 07:21:36 AM  
Goodell is really going to regret not ending this before the regular season. A lot of people are surprised at just how profound the disparity is turning out to be. The professionals are in an absolutely commanding negotiating position now. They should demand twice as much as they were asking for a few weeks ago.
 
2012-09-25 07:24:31 AM  

ozarkmatt: FitzShivering: Hell, if the real refs play their cards right, they might come out of this with a cool mil a year.

/assuming ratings stop going UP while they're away

A lot of people with the ability to do something about their anger are VERY angry about how this game ended.

Capice?


I agree. I also think, though, that certain people up top in the NFL don't give a shiat. Ratings are money. Are they shooting their own feet off? Yes. But in the short term they are financially profiting from their decision.
 
2012-09-25 07:31:04 AM  
Until the NFL bottom line is affected, Rog doesn't care.
 
2012-09-25 07:35:51 AM  
My biggest surprise with these replacement refs is just how much the structure of the game breaks down when they fail to exert control. Sure players and coaches had beefs with the real refs from time to time, but there was a certain respect. These guys don't get any (and do not deserve) any respect. The real refs do not let these games get out of hand like that.

I'm glad the Seahawks won last night. Green Bay benefited from bad calls too including one on their last touchdown drive that also could have been a game changer. Plus don't we always hear that a team shouldn't put itself in position to have the game decided by the refs? But the greatest thing about last night's game is it will finally break the impasse and get serious negotiations going again. I just can't see the owners tolerating this too much longer when the playoff hopes of their teams could be in jeopardy.
 
2012-09-25 07:40:52 AM  

SnarfVader: Plus don't we always hear that a team shouldn't put itself in position to have the game decided by the refs?


I'm tired of hearing this one.

Sure, it shouldnt have been that close, but that doesent mean you should excuse the call that absolutely changed the outcome of the game.

"Well, they should have beat them by 20, if they really WANTED to win" is not a valid argument. You only have to win by 1.
 
2012-09-25 07:43:04 AM  
The important thing to remember is that at least a union is being busted. Unions never did anything useful. Our lives are so much better when the billionaires have all the power
 
2012-09-25 07:48:59 AM  
Wait, if the regular refs come back, won't that mean the end of the 27-yard penalty?

/sorry, Lions fans
 
2012-09-25 07:56:47 AM  

tbhouston: Confabulat: Funniest story of the year so far. I have a feeling the NFL will have a deal with the real refs by, oh end of business Monday?

Wrong..everyone is watching and talking about the nfl..this is great advertisement

Plus why should some over paid refs get a pension when a large majority of the united states has to deal with 401k for their retirement..its a fair deal


Ratings don't mean squat to the NFL. Vegas millions and millions, and the wealthy people behind them, mean a LOT to the NFL. If you screw up the integrity of the game, it's like putting a busted roulette wheel in a casino. That's unacceptable, and not good for business.
 
2012-09-25 08:09:40 AM  
Packer fans can gripe; but they didn't have a 20 yard penalty assessed. I'm left to wonder at which level, Pop Warner, Middle School, High School, D-III, Semi-pro, inquiring mind wants to know: when was a 20 yard penalty ever marked off before?
 
2012-09-25 08:13:31 AM  

SnarfVader: I'm glad the Seahawks won last night.


Really? Any other team would be insulted to win like that.
A win is a win, but to win like that destroys the integrity of the game.
 
2012-09-25 08:15:40 AM  

MartinD-35: Packer fans can gripe; but they didn't have a 20 yard penalty assessed. I'm left to wonder at which level, Pop Warner, Middle School, High School, D-III, Semi-pro, inquiring mind wants to know: when was a 20 yard penalty ever marked off before?



You're right, being penalized an extra ten yards is much, much worse than losing the game on a blatantly blown call.
 
2012-09-25 08:16:57 AM  

impaler: All to save spending 0.05% of annual profits on qualified professionals.


Replacement refs are the NFL's version of outsourcing. We should just be happy they didn't put foreign guys out there
 
2012-09-25 08:26:32 AM  
We're thinking of telling DirecTV to cancel our subscription to Sunday Ticket. In a way the trainwreck is fun to watch, but in the bigger picture this strategy the NFL is using is seriously damaging to the game.

Plus its disgusting that the amount of money theyre quibbling over is probably covered each week at each stadium by nachos.
 
2012-09-25 08:30:25 AM  

Kurmudgeon: SnarfVader: I'm glad the Seahawks won last night.

Really? Any other team would be insulted to win like that.
A win is a win, but to win like that destroys the integrity of the game.


Yes, really. Had the officiating been what it was supposed to be, Green Bay would have stalled out on their last TD drive and kicked the field goal for the go ahead score. Seattle, with the ball back, would not have been under pressure to get a TD and would've kicked the field goal for the win. So the fact is had that final play been called correctly the conversation this morning would have been how Seattle got screwed because of a blown call that kept Green Bay's last drive alive. And I guarantee you that the Green Bay players and coaches would not have uttered a word against the referees nor have been embarrassed to win by a ref's blown call.
 
2012-09-25 08:35:23 AM  
I dunno, I think this would be a bad time for the owners to cave.

No, biatches, it's time to doubledown!

Instead of replacement refs, the NFL will now be picking fans out of the stadium to ref the games!

Don't you want to walk around with the best of the best players in the world?

Haven't you wanted to be the most important part of the game?

When you saw the blown call last night, wasn't your first thought, "Man, I wish I could've blown that call!"

Well, now we'll all get our chance. Couldn't be any worse than it is now. Utter lack of control at the end of the game.

But seriously, this is all so that Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder can add just a little bit more to the money pile, and that's what's most important.
 
2012-09-25 08:37:22 AM  

I sound fat: SnarfVader: Plus don't we always hear that a team shouldn't put itself in position to have the game decided by the refs?

I'm tired of hearing this one.

Sure, it shouldnt have been that close, but that doesent mean you should excuse the call that absolutely changed the outcome of the game.

"Well, they should have beat them by 20, if they really WANTED to win" is not a valid argument. You only have to win by 1.


If you are tired of hearing that, tell the coaches who keep repeating it ad nauseam in their press conferences. I will say McCarthy was at least classy in his press conference unlike some of the players.
 
2012-09-25 08:37:43 AM  
No one is happy the 'hawks won last night, especially Seahawks fans.

They played the Packers tough, I'll give them that. They were great at pressurring and sacking Rodgers.
 
2012-09-25 08:37:50 AM  

SnarfVader:
Yes, really. Had the officiating been what it was supposed to be, Green Bay would have stalled out on their last TD drive and kicked the field goal for the go ahead score. Seattle, with the ball back, would not have been under pressure to get a TD and would've kicked the field goal for the win. So the fact is had that final play been called correctly the conversation this morning would have been how Seattle got screwed because of a blown call that kept Green Bay's last drive alive. And I guarantee you that the Green Bay players and coaches would not have uttered a word against the referees nor have been embarrassed to win by a ref's blown call.


So you are going to just ignore the horrendous roughing the passer call that took away an interception? Or how about the terrible defensive pass interference call on a first and 30 (was it 30? I just remember it being long)?
 
2012-09-25 08:38:29 AM  

Tommy Moo: Goodell is really going to regret not ending this before the regular season. A lot of people are surprised at just how profound the disparity is turning out to be. The professionals are in an absolutely commanding negotiating position now. They should demand twice as much as they were asking for a few weeks ago.


I see that as the main reason the NFL won't be at the table any time soon. They're going to ride this thing out. It hasn't impacted ratings or revenue at all.
 
2012-09-25 08:39:17 AM  

Obscure Login: SnarfVader:
Yes, really. Had the officiating been what it was supposed to be, Green Bay would have stalled out on their last TD drive and kicked the field goal for the go ahead score. Seattle, with the ball back, would not have been under pressure to get a TD and would've kicked the field goal for the win. So the fact is had that final play been called correctly the conversation this morning would have been how Seattle got screwed because of a blown call that kept Green Bay's last drive alive. And I guarantee you that the Green Bay players and coaches would not have uttered a word against the referees nor have been embarrassed to win by a ref's blown call.

So you are going to just ignore the horrendous roughing the passer call that took away an interception? Or how about the terrible defensive pass interference call on a first and 30 (was it 30? I just remember it being long)?


Sure, since you are ignoring all other bad calls except the final one.
 
2012-09-25 08:40:05 AM  

SlothB77: No one is happy the 'hawks won last night, especially Seahawks fans.

They played the Packers tough, I'll give them that. They were great at pressurring and sacking Rodgers.


THAT is what we could have been talking about. The Seahawks utter dominance of the line in the 1st half.

Instead, potato.
 
2012-09-25 08:42:07 AM  
I love how people can be completely set against labor unions and any type of collective bargaining, but as soon as their favorite sports team is affected they lose their minds and demand that the union's demands be met.
 
2012-09-25 08:42:30 AM  

born_yesterday: I dunno, I think this would be a bad time for the owners to cave.

No, biatches, it's time to doubledown!

Instead of replacement refs, the NFL will now be picking fans out of the stadium to ref the games!

Don't you want to walk around with the best of the best players in the world?

Haven't you wanted to be the most important part of the game?

When you saw the blown call last night, wasn't your first thought, "Man, I wish I could've blown that call!"

Well, now we'll all get our chance. Couldn't be any worse than it is now. Utter lack of control at the end of the game.

But seriously, this is all so that Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder can add just a little bit more to the money pile, and that's what's most important.


Given the way his "mortgaged my franchise to get him" Rookie QB is getting smacked around on un-flagged hits, I'd bet Danny Snyder is the owner screaming loudest for a resolution to this. Synder has many faults, but being unwilling to pay people is not one of them
 
2012-09-25 08:43:31 AM  
Look, I'm not happy with the refs. Not at all. But the people who should be embarrassed about the situation last night are not the Seahawks and their fans. No. Only one group should be embarrassed and that's Goodell and the owners for not having settled this shiat before the season started.
 
2012-09-25 08:44:22 AM  

Kurmudgeon: SnarfVader: I'm glad the Seahawks won last night.

Really? Any other team would be insulted to win like that.
A win is a win, but to win like that destroys the integrity of the game.


Seattle fans have been saying that to Pittsburgh fans since Super Bowl 40 or whatever a few years back, so why don't you sit over there and have a heeping helping of STFU.

/refs have been affecting the integrity of the game for years
 
2012-09-25 08:45:52 AM  

Magorn: born_yesterday: I dunno, I think this would be a bad time for the owners to cave.

No, biatches, it's time to doubledown!

Instead of replacement refs, the NFL will now be picking fans out of the stadium to ref the games!

Don't you want to walk around with the best of the best players in the world?

Haven't you wanted to be the most important part of the game?

When you saw the blown call last night, wasn't your first thought, "Man, I wish I could've blown that call!"

Well, now we'll all get our chance. Couldn't be any worse than it is now. Utter lack of control at the end of the game.

But seriously, this is all so that Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder can add just a little bit more to the money pile, and that's what's most important.

Given the way his "mortgaged my franchise to get him" Rookie QB is getting smacked around on un-flagged hits, I'd bet Danny Snyder is the owner screaming loudest for a resolution to this. Synder has many faults, but being unwilling to pay people is not one of them


I'd love to know where the owners stand on this, for just that reason. Jerry Jones is the one they keep quoting as saying the real refs aren't needed. I usually throw Dan in there on account of years of contempt for his management. :)
 
2012-09-25 09:06:47 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Really? Any other team would be insulted to win like that.


The refs gave the Packers the lead by calling a phantom penalty every time they were stopped on third down outside of scoring range for the entire second half, and they took it away by giving simultaneous possession to the WR.

I know there's no review for "who caught it," but why wouldn't that come up in a review to see if it was a legal catch?

born_yesterday: THAT is what we could have been talking about. The Seahawks utter dominance of the line in the 1st half.


If the Packers had won, we should be talking about how the Packers' line went from complete swiss cheese to suddenly being able to never get called for a single penalty or even give up pressure in the second half. Of course, it was mostly because they were allowed to tackle the defensive linemen in the second half, but hey, let's ignore that.

Look, realisitically, these refs clearly came from the NBA, where they're trained to keep the game close - when Seattle went ahead, Green Bay gained the ability to hold and the ability to never have to punt, thanks to bogus penalties. When Green Bay went ahead, the refs helped get the Seahawks into Packers territory. Given that they're NBA refs, I don't see how you wouldn't think the final play was simultaneous possession - all you have to do is have one hand on the ball in order to force a jump ball.

I'm just kind of surprised they didn't call for a jump ball.

/and no refs call PI on a Hail Mary, so that's just a red herring
 
2012-09-25 09:08:04 AM  
I like watching the Packers get buttfarked as much as anyone, but they got robbed
 
2012-09-25 09:10:21 AM  
Maybe they should replace the replacements.

Seems to be a few unemployed streakers out there who could do just as bad a job but in a more entertaining way...female streakers, that is.
 
2012-09-25 09:12:46 AM  
Most exciting thing to happen to the NFL in years..I doubt the commish even wants to end it at this point, even if he got everything he was asking for

Also ask Verizon workers how well striking worked out for them...
 
2012-09-25 09:15:48 AM  

tbhouston: Most exciting thing to happen to the NFL in years..I doubt the commish even wants to end it at this point, even if he got everything he was asking for

Also ask Verizon workers how well striking worked out for them...


This isn't a strike; it's a lockout.
 
2012-09-25 09:16:35 AM  
Actually, as a Seahawks fan, I fully expect the league to reverse the outcome of the game for the first and only time (in that it will never happen again), to appease everyone else and get the league back to what it does best, f*cking Seattle.
 
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