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2012-09-25 01:00:47 AM  
4 votes:
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Douches
2012-09-25 12:53:34 AM  
4 votes:

WTF Indeed: There's always baseball to watch.


Uhhhh, no.
2012-09-25 02:16:21 AM  
3 votes:
Look for Goodell to make an announcement regarding players using twitter/facebook, and no movement in negotiations with the regular refs.
2012-09-25 09:27:16 AM  
2 votes:
It is rather sad to see such a large portion of the nation be indifferent to the plight of labor unions until it affects their fantasy football scores.

"Teachers, firefighters, cops, fark them anybody could do their job, the greedy....WHU HAPPIN' TO MAH FOOBALL!!!"
2012-09-25 09:14:29 AM  
2 votes:
Can we all agree this couldn't have happened to a better fan base? SKOL VIKINGS!
2012-09-25 06:04:18 AM  
2 votes:

bestie1: It actually created a dangerous situation. The Seahawk fans were already riled up. 1/4 of the jerseys in the stands were green I would say. They also didn't expect to beat the Packers. Both facts had them pretty pumped. So reversing that call might have been very dangerous.

I know the folks around me were being really aggressive shouting into Packer fans faces on big plays. A single Packer girl in front of us was harassed to the point she left at the half. People where yelling in my dad's face (he's 64) heading to the gate at the end because he had on a Packers sweatshirt.

Maybe that's just how the NFL is. This is my first live game.


That didn't used to be the situation in respectable NFL atmospheres.

It's too bad.
2012-09-25 02:46:29 AM  
2 votes:

animesucks: 4NSpy: animesucks: KNOCK THE BALL DOWN! bad fundamentals and a selfish play are why we're even talking about this. the packers secondary deserves death by snoo snoo for their utter and complete disdain for fundamentals

That doesn't always work either...


[www.nflpassers.com image 850x540]

his mistake was knocking it sidewaysish. HE SHOULD HAVE KNOCKED IT DOWN


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2012-09-25 02:31:49 AM  
2 votes:

kingflower: The pass was right on the money


Into a Packer's player's chest...
2012-09-25 02:26:50 AM  
2 votes:

Smelly McUgly: Everyone got screwed by the incompetent refs, the Pack just got screwed last. I really don't care how bad their fans feel. I've been there before. They'll get over it.


Packer fans don't "get over it" very well.
2012-09-25 02:17:33 AM  
2 votes:
i said it before, I'll say it again

when pro wrestling referees are more competent than the people you have calling your games, you have a major problem.
2012-09-25 02:15:16 AM  
2 votes:

kingflower: helghast: it is not a "catch" until both feet are inbounds & player has control of the ball. there are many examples of one handed catches.

both players went up.

both players had their hand on the ball.

both players had control of the ball when their feet touched the ground.

rulling goes to passing team.

touch down seattle.

Seemed rather obvious to me.....Game, Seahawks. The replay verified the touchdown, how could they get that wrong? Too bad that Green Bay can't accept being outplayed for the entire game and ultimately outmaneuvered at the end of the game.


Bear hugging the guy who actually has posession of the ball doesn't give you simultaneous possession. Did you even see what happened???
2012-09-25 02:15:02 AM  
2 votes:

kingflower: The replay verified the touchdown


It can't be a touchdown when the receiver doesn't have possession of the ball.
2012-09-25 01:54:09 AM  
2 votes:

RedPhoenix122: I think I see a flaw in your argument.


Roger Goodell is a tool.
2012-09-25 01:43:20 AM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-09-25 01:17:29 AM  
2 votes:
Also, on a purely football note. Could someone explain to me how the Seahawk player having his left arm and hand between the Green Bay player's chest and ball with his right hand on the ball as they came down is not a simultaneous? I have watched that replay a dozen times by now and every shot has his arm snaked up between the ball and the Green Bay player and they *both* come down with *both* hands all over the ball.....

First, Tate knocked Shields to the ground and pushed off of him to get elevation (which should have been a flag right there). Jennings was the first to have two hands on it. On the way down Tate's right hand is CLEARLY out in space reaching around and lands on someone's helmet. Jennings had two hands on the ball (and control) the whole way down.

It's a tough call in real time, but with instant replay it should have been a no-brainer.
2012-09-25 01:17:14 AM  
2 votes:
Schefter - "this season will have an asterisk next to it"
2012-09-25 01:11:19 AM  
2 votes:
Excellent work, subby.

That will be the last time I click on ESPN unless the scab refs are replaced. I'm done with it all. I don't care. Life is too short to get worked up about this if the NFL won't take officiating their own games seriously. It's on a WWE-like level now, and with wrestling at least you know what you are getting.

/Yeah, I know, they won't miss me either.
//My opinion didn't matter a whole lot in the WI recall election, either, so I used to it.
2012-09-25 01:05:35 AM  
2 votes:
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2012-09-25 01:01:52 AM  
2 votes:

ManateeGag: I'll repeat it in the green: The last time someone got farked like that, they were weren't dating Ben Rothlesberger.


FTFY
2012-09-25 01:00:55 AM  
2 votes:
Roger Goodell : NFL :: Mitt Romney : Public administration
2012-09-25 12:56:31 AM  
2 votes:
As long as you still watch and buy merchandise, the NFL has no incentive to pay the refs.
2012-09-25 12:56:15 AM  
2 votes:
Let's see... players go on strike and get ridiculous $$$ because they don't think they got enough as it was. Refs get $3 Million cut from their pensions and are justifiably pissed, and the NFL pulls this BS.

Flags flew in that game like pennants in a used car lot (what was it, like 25 penalties?!?!), and this wasn't the only bad call. They farked up the NE-Baltimore game too. Well done Roger, you better get the real refs back, and back soon: otherwise this whole season is going to blow up in your face.

Game was still pretty fun to watch thanks to the Seattle defense and the Pack's response in the second half, but all the penalties took something from the game.
2012-09-25 05:11:52 PM  
1 vote:

IAmRight: It all depends on what one considers "control." Realistically, the call was a close call that could've gone either way,


Wrong. Control is control, and Jennings clearly had control first.
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2012-09-25 04:12:36 PM  
1 vote:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The only solution is... No refs. Call your own team fouls.


Works for golf.
2012-09-25 10:12:38 AM  
1 vote:

DamnYankees: The no-OPI call on the shove 0.5 seconds before the catch was more egregious.


Exactly.

But again, have you ever seen pass interference of any kind called on a Hail Mary?
2012-09-25 10:01:34 AM  
1 vote:

ltdanman44: I WONDER IF THESE SAME SEAHAWKS FOOTBALL FANS WHO WERE biatchING AND MOANING ABOUT SUPER BOWL XL OFFICALS ARE THE SAME ONES CALLING THIS A LEGIT TOUCHDOWN


STOP YELLING! WE CAN HEAR YOU!

The correct answer is that the officiating in both games sucked, in fact this one was worse, but this one also was nowhere near as consequential. Packers will get over it and they'll probably still win their division by three games or more.
2012-09-25 09:42:08 AM  
1 vote:

IAmRight: In fairness, I'm sure he saw the Titans/Lions game and didn't want that to happen, and no one thinks of throwing it out of bounds.


I keep feeling like they actually discussed that in the locker room before the game. He had the ball hit him square in the hands, and at that point it safest to just haul it into you chest., which he did. If he weakly tipped it or tried to direct it, there was an unknown chance that the offence could have gotten it. Before this occurrence, there was no probability of him catching the ball and the refs making such an awful decision.

It sucks. That game was a great defensive effort by both sides with only one real bad play (the broken coverage in the first half that lead to a touchdown).
2012-09-25 09:37:15 AM  
1 vote:
www.bitlogic.com
2012-09-25 09:11:45 AM  
1 vote:

jayhawk88: GameSprocket: The radio guys were right. The Pack should have given up a safety and got possession back.

More to the point, you run two plays and force the Seahawks to use their timeouts, then you take the safety and get 4 more downs. Game over.


Get 4 more downs? When you give up a safety, you have to kick the ball to the other team. You don't get the ball back.
2012-09-25 08:48:27 AM  
1 vote:
Now the key is will anyone care about this story tomorrow?
2012-09-25 08:31:26 AM  
1 vote:

Tahs4Evar: That_Dude: As long as you still watch and buy merchandise, the NFL has no incentive to pay the refs.

What about the reputation of the game?

/Would you believe Vegas will get upset?


This strike will end, this week. Not because of the angry fans or the blown calls, but because of what happened during the Raider's game. That was farking scary and it was clearly the result of an illegal hit that drew no flag. Players are emboldened to try to get away with whatever they can right now, and with the size and speed of the players, that's dangerous. owners are not going to risk thier multi-million dollar franchise players because goddell doesn't farking want to pay the refs. I expect some angry phone calls this week and then some kind of face-saving settlement with the refs, I also expect Goddell will not be back next year
2012-09-25 08:22:55 AM  
1 vote:
This will get buried at the bottom and don't really expect a reply, but why doesn't the players union man up and do something instead of blame Roger? Also, why are people biatching about Roger, isn't this ultimately the owners call?

/still remember just as bad calls made by the real officials over the last few years
2012-09-25 08:16:35 AM  
1 vote:

ChrisDe: Headline of the year material right there.


Problem is, it's a context headline.
2012-09-25 08:10:24 AM  
1 vote:

you are a puppet: Vid of the incident and a little more - Link


I don't care if the real refs each want a goddamned dodo egg for breakfast each morning. Drop the scabs, and find the real refs some goddamned dodo eggs!

"Simultaneous catch" my A$$! THAT was an INTERCEPTION! >:O
2012-09-25 07:33:48 AM  
1 vote:
Anybody else notice how bottom-of-the-barrel the ads on MNF were? Homeopathic skin tag remover, miracle car shine, buy one get one free...

I realize that the goal of ESPN has always been to make MNF almost but not quite unwatchable on the premise that football fans will watch regardless, so the business model is to attract as many "casual" viewers as possible. But I suspect that the combination of ESPN coverage and bad refereeing may actually be hurting them enough that advertisers are starting to notice and are shying away.

Just me?
2012-09-25 07:26:12 AM  
1 vote:

animesucks: KNOCK THE BALL DOWN! bad fundamentals and a selfish play are why we're even talking about this. the packers secondary deserves death by snoo snoo for their utter and complete disdain for fundamentals


Of all the posts in this thread this is the one I agree with the most, even though it has all the capital letters at the beginning instead of where they belong.

NFL football is to football what professional wrestling is to wrestling. Nobody coaches good fundamentals anymore, the egos are too big to handle discipline and teamwork, and the fans want eyecandy big plays over boring old fundamentals. Everything is about making "the show" appeal to more viewers. In that regard, I bet Goodell is thrilled about what is going on with the refs...these bozos and their terrible calls have got viewership through the roof.

/kayfabe
2012-09-25 07:14:42 AM  
1 vote:
Any time Green Bay loses, no matter how, its a good day.
2012-09-25 05:07:43 AM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com
2012-09-25 05:02:53 AM  
1 vote:

seumasokelly: libranoelrose: bestie1: When the 2 refs conflicted they should have said the play was under review and then announced a decision.

Kinda exactly.

They are required to make a call on the field prior to review.


That's why I mentioned the Kinda. They could have have spoken to each other before making the call.
2012-09-25 04:45:42 AM  
1 vote:

MFAWG: From Seattle I say:
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gaspgaspgasp


BWAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAfarkYOYWEWON!


Hey, we aren't the Steelers. You don't get karma points for this.
2012-09-25 04:40:55 AM  
1 vote:
Don't give that "everyone was doing it" crap. He shoved him in the back with two hands and it was obvious. It just speaks to their incompetence that they missed it.

Also
Section 9
Reviewable Plays. The Replay System will cover the following play situations only:
(a) Plays governed by Sideline, Goal Line, End Zone, and End Line:
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2. Pass complete/incomplete/intercepted at sideline, goal line, end zone, and end line.
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The could have obviously used instant replay to rule if the pass was complete or not. It obviously wasn't and it didn't matter if it was ruled incomplete or an interception. Tate never had control of the ball when they hit the ground.

What happened was they called touch down on the field. The fireworks went off and people streamed onto the field. Then they did the instant replay. The fans were almost rabid by then and if they had reversed the decision they would have had a riot. So they pussied out. They never should have made the initial call until the review.

What your saying doesn't even make sense because they used to instant replay to rule on joint possession.
2012-09-25 04:08:08 AM  
1 vote:

Olfin Bedwere: After watching the highlight over and over again (thanks to ESPN's broken record reporting), this is what I think:

1. The ref that made the call had his view of Jennings blocked by Tate, who was in between Jennings and the ref (who was standing at the goal line near the pylon).

2. He thought he saw Tate come down with it and, not seeing that Jennings actually had the ball, thought that Jennings wrestled it away after Tate's feet hit the ground. He ran in to make sure the ball hadn't hit the ground when both fell down and seeing it hadn't, called it a touchdown.

3. The other ref that ran in from the back of the end zone hesitated to make a call, indicating he either (1) didn't see it that clearly either or (2) was trying to remember what was said about the rule during new ref orientation. His hesitation allowed the other ref time to make the wrong call.

4. During the ensuing ref pow wow, the second ref either (1) didn't argue his point forcefully enough or (2) admitted he wasn't sure what happened. The head ref was forced to go with the ref that called the TD.

5. Since it was a judgment call and couldn't be turned over by replay, all the replay officials could do was confirm that the ball never hit the ground. Their hands were tied at that point.

Conclusion: The call was wrong but in my view understandable from the angle of the ref that called it. He didn't have the luxury of waiting for them to show on the jumbotron the angles he didn't have. I would put more blame on the other ref that had a better angle but hesitated long enough for the wrong call to be made (if he actually saw the play clear enough to begin with). That saying, I don't think at all that it was intentional and we shouldn't crucify the poor guy for making what he thought was the right call.

Goodell, on the other hand, should be tarred and feathered and run out of town.


What about Takes push just before the the ball arrived? It took down one defender and shoved another effectively out of the play. Could that be ruled on? According to the rules a foul on the last play nullifies the play making the reception incomplete in either case. How did they miss it on the field and in the replay? It was flagrant.
2012-09-25 03:51:53 AM  
1 vote:

i.imgur.com

"There were no bad calls in the game tonight. None! I blame ESPN - they are marketing for the greedy, out of work NFL officials. We have fined 3 coaches, 2 players, and have the rest of the league surrounded by our lawyers. The league will flourish under the great leader, Roger Goodell."

2012-09-25 03:43:32 AM  
1 vote:
300+ posts in and we don't have a magnificent bastard yet? I'm ashamed.

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Subby, you magnificent bastard.

/no dogs in this fight
2012-09-25 03:27:13 AM  
1 vote:

davidphogan: Are you ready to boycott some football?


I have been.
2012-09-25 03:21:44 AM  
1 vote:
Are you ready to boycott some football? Steve Young claimed it's the only way to save football
2012-09-25 03:17:52 AM  
1 vote:

SnarfVader: Anyone mention the other blown calls that went Green Bay's way, the 8 sacks, or that Green Bay shouldn't have let the game get down to the final play if they deserved to win yet?

Also,

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Yeah, all that has been mentioned.

It doesn't change the fact that the final call was horribly wrong.
2012-09-25 03:15:13 AM  
1 vote:
Also, FARK the FUDGEpackers.
2012-09-25 03:02:29 AM  
1 vote:
First of all

3.bp.blogspot.com

Only 95% the athlete, but 100% of the regular refs. Sure they screw up but it's just normal screw ups.

Or alternatively...

3.bp.blogspot.com
2012-09-25 03:01:45 AM  
1 vote:
I liked the penalty on Packers #25.

Difficulty: Packers have no player with the number 25.
2012-09-25 03:01:32 AM  
1 vote:
Nobody talking about the really, really bad defensive PI called earlier in the drive? I think it was Rice that, if anything, committed offensive PI against the Packers defender. Instead, the call was opposite (and incorrect). That extended the drive and moved the Seahawks much closer to the Packers' goal line. Oy.
2012-09-25 02:49:23 AM  
1 vote:
By the way, the officiating supervisor tonight? Phil Luckett
2012-09-25 02:46:10 AM  
1 vote:
KNOCK IT DOWN!
2012-09-25 02:46:06 AM  
1 vote:
Fans should start wearing this instead of jerseys.

www.starcostumes.com
2012-09-25 02:42:14 AM  
1 vote:

kingflower: davidphogan: kingflower: It actually was a touchdown, that's the way the refs called it. Now accept the outcome and get on with your life. Crying about a game will get you nowhere in life. Life is not fair, and I for one commend the NFL for driving home this point.

If the shiat refs could have controlled the game at any level it wouldn't have come down to that call. But it did. And they blew it.

As far as the refs are concerned, you play the hand you are dealt in life. If Green Bay had taken better care of the football, maybe you are looking at a different outcome. The Packers knew the Seahawks were in four down territory and were knocking on the door. Green Bay should have executed better on the last play. The Seahawks orchestrated a heroic comeback, one for the ages, and to have that diminished by sour grapes is unfortunate. I do agree with you that it was a circus catch at the end, but Golden did make the catch. The pass was right on the money. Green Bay blew the coverage and they would probably like to have that last play back. The officials could have called holding on every play of the game when Green Bay was on offense, and you don't hear anyone crying about that. Welcome to the NFL.


Yeah like intercepting the ball, and having OPI called...
Or having OPI called on the previous drive that saved Seattle.
Or having the interception called back for roughing the passer when the defensive player was already laying out to hit Wilson.
Seattle got screwed over on the Packers TD drive...twice, and we are just in the tail end of the 4th quarter.

The only winner in this game were the refs.


I for one will happily take the loss if it gets the actual refs back to work. There are problems when every week there are 2 or 3 significant blown calls but Goodell does not see a problem with it. Normally I will defend the refs however this is the second horribly reffed (to be fair the players were also playing like shiat, this would have been a high penalty game either way) game out of 3 the Packers have been in (not saying refs caused the loss to SF, SF clearly one that game, the calls in both directions were shiat). This game though is completely up in the air, both teams were awful and when you have 200+ yards in penalties it messes up the game, in particular when there is no consistency in the calls, players have no clue what will and will not be called it leads to a lower level of play.

Either way glad the Packers chose this year to suck, because the playoffs will be even more of a joke with the replacement refs.
2012-09-25 02:39:02 AM  
1 vote:

4NSpy: animesucks: KNOCK THE BALL DOWN! bad fundamentals and a selfish play are why we're even talking about this. the packers secondary deserves death by snoo snoo for their utter and complete disdain for fundamentals

That doesn't always work either...


[www.nflpassers.com image 850x540]


his mistake was knocking it sidewaysish. HE SHOULD HAVE KNOCKED IT DOWN
2012-09-25 02:28:52 AM  
1 vote:

davidphogan: kingflower: It actually was a touchdown, that's the way the refs called it. Now accept the outcome and get on with your life. Crying about a game will get you nowhere in life. Life is not fair, and I for one commend the NFL for driving home this point.

If the shiat refs could have controlled the game at any level it wouldn't have come down to that call. But it did. And they blew it.


As far as the refs are concerned, you play the hand you are dealt in life. If Green Bay had taken better care of the football, maybe you are looking at a different outcome. The Packers knew the Seahawks were in four down territory and were knocking on the door. Green Bay should have executed better on the last play. The Seahawks orchestrated a heroic comeback, one for the ages, and to have that diminished by sour grapes is unfortunate. I do agree with you that it was a circus catch at the end, but Golden did make the catch. The pass was right on the money. Green Bay blew the coverage and they would probably like to have that last play back. The officials could have called holding on every play of the game when Green Bay was on offense, and you don't hear anyone crying about that. Welcome to the NFL.
2012-09-25 02:23:56 AM  
1 vote:

3.bp.blogspot.com

Pay those men their money

2012-09-25 02:21:36 AM  
1 vote:

kingflower: that's the way the refs called it.


Actually the ref with the best view didn't call it a touchdown. Also funny how everyone talking about it, including current and former NFL players, are saying it wasn't a TD. You know, people who know the rule book inside and out.
2012-09-25 02:20:44 AM  
1 vote:

Smelly McUgly: Second of all, as a Seahawks fan, the Tate TD call was garbage, but since the refs went out of their way to gift the Packers a TD a couple drives earlier, I'll call it even.


how do you feel about the pass interference call that should have been called on Rice and ended the drive just a few plays earlier?
2012-09-25 02:17:56 AM  
1 vote:

WhyteRaven74: kingflower: The replay verified the touchdown

It can't be a touchdown when the receiver doesn't have possession of the ball.


It actually was a touchdown, that's the way the refs called it. Now accept the outcome and get on with your life. Crying about a game will get you nowhere in life. Life is not fair, and I for one commend the NFL for driving home this point.
2012-09-25 02:11:55 AM  
1 vote:
BTW stuff like this is what happens when league commissioners represent the wishes of the owners and not the league as an entity unto itself. The problems with the NHL, NBA and MLB all come down to having commissioners who are basically the heads of owners' committee instead of actually representing the league and what's best for the league.
2012-09-25 02:11:44 AM  
1 vote:

helghast: it is not a "catch" until both feet are inbounds & player has control of the ball. there are many examples of one handed catches.

both players went up.

both players had their hand on the ball.

both players had control of the ball when their feet touched the ground.

rulling goes to passing team.

touch down seattle.


Seemed rather obvious to me.....Game, Seahawks. The replay verified the touchdown, how could they get that wrong? Too bad that Green Bay can't accept being outplayed for the entire game and ultimately outmaneuvered at the end of the game.
2012-09-25 02:11:02 AM  
1 vote:
2. On a foul by the offense on last play of half or game, the down is not replayed and the play in which the foul is committed is nullified.
2012-09-25 02:07:29 AM  
1 vote:
Subby all of Vikings country applauds you.


The replacement Refs suck glad the vikings won despite the 49er have 4 times out and 2 challenges in the second half.
2012-09-25 02:07:04 AM  
1 vote:
http://football.calsci.com/TheRules8.html

6. The player who first controls and continues to maintain control of a pass will be awarded the ball even though his opponent later establishes joint control of the ball.

You also might want to look about 2 seconds before the reception and watch the nice little shove Tate fives to one of the defenders.
2012-09-25 02:06:20 AM  
1 vote:

ZoSo_the_Crowe: The refs missed very obvious PI. This was the worst mistake they made.

Catch/interception was a bang-bang play, a tough call to make in real-time. I can't blame them for ruling either-way in real-time.

Possession of the ball is NOT reviewable.

The FIRST signal on the field was touchdown. When two refs disagree and make different calls, they go to a conference. If they can't come to a consensus in that conference, by rule, the FIRST signal on the field becomes the call on the field.

Therefore, the refs ruled correctly after the replay, since the first call on the field was touchdown and you can't rule on possession based on a replay.

So, the worst mistake they made was missing the PI.


You can't rule on possession, but you CAN rule on complete/incomplete. And the pass was clearly not complete to the Seahawks receiver.
2012-09-25 02:02:05 AM  
1 vote:
The refs missed very obvious PI. This was the worst mistake they made.

Catch/interception was a bang-bang play, a tough call to make in real-time. I can't blame them for ruling either-way in real-time.

Possession of the ball is NOT reviewable.

The FIRST signal on the field was touchdown. When two refs disagree and make different calls, they go to a conference. If they can't come to a consensus in that conference, by rule, the FIRST signal on the field becomes the call on the field.

Therefore, the refs ruled correctly after the replay, since the first call on the field was touchdown and you can't rule on possession based on a replay.

So, the worst mistake they made was missing the PI.
2012-09-25 02:01:38 AM  
1 vote:
Settle this thing now - Roger Goodell-Ed Hochuli steel cage match. I would seriously pay to watch that.
2012-09-25 01:58:23 AM  
1 vote:

TheJoe03: Roger Goodell is a tool.


Right, so this will probably continue. Hell, if he actually cared about the integrity of the game, there wouldn't have been a lockout last season.
2012-09-25 01:56:21 AM  
1 vote:
Packer LB Desmond Bishop just had one of the best tweets OF ALL TIME.

BREAKING -JaMarcus Russell eyeing return to NFL after discovering games can be won by throwing interceptions.
2012-09-25 01:55:15 AM  
1 vote:
This is outrageous because the entire country saw it. Comparably few of you saw the Saints/Chiefs debacle. Yes, yes, I'm aware that we stunk up the game. But anyone who saw it knows we were raped on three separate occasions.

For three weeks I've been saying, "If you don't play well enough to overcome unexpected adversity [e.g., a blatantly bad call] you don't deserve to win. And I still believe and preach that - with professional refs who only SOMETIMES fark up. But this sh*t is really getting out of control.

You were looking at a typical Saints fortyburger (or near it), overcoming our laughable defense, if not for these assclowns. Hell, even the first recalled score would have given the momentum, possibly rendering the other officiating mistakes moot. I'm not talking about our sh*t-ass Spagnuolo defense; I'm talking about demoralizing our opponent with points so the D is nearly an afterthought.

FInally - and I've said this in the other threads - THE NFL IS SABOTAGING IT'S OWN PRODUCT BECAUSE IT'S TOO TIGHT-ASSED TO BARGAIN WITH THE PROS. Who does that impact, aside from the teams themselves? You and me! We're fans. We pay all sorts of money and invest far more than cash into our teams. We LOVE football, and demand at least a modicum of professionalism. You want me to put money in your enterprise when this is how little you think of us?

Goodell will be harshly judged for this bullsh*t. Hopefully by the same line judge at yesterday's Saints game.
2012-09-25 01:53:49 AM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com
2012-09-25 01:50:57 AM  
1 vote:
left my message for all it's worth. probably call again tomorrow.
mjg
2012-09-25 01:50:20 AM  
1 vote:
Seahawks should have gone for 2
2012-09-25 01:49:51 AM  
1 vote:

TheJoe03: if the NFL cares at all about its credibility


I think I see a flaw in your argument.
2012-09-25 01:45:41 AM  
1 vote:
I'd be far more outraged at the call if Packer fans werent so freakin' insufferable.
2012-09-25 01:44:34 AM  
1 vote:
First off, that was an interception. Second off, I LOVE IT.


FARK all this "boycott the NFL NOW!" talk, this is the MOST ridiculous season ever! I'm going to watch every farking game just to see what happens next!

You can tell its bad when the 49ers got 2 extra timeouts and 2 extra challenges, one of which incorrectly gave them the ball......and it's AT LEAST the THIRD top story of refball!

/Wisconsin ESPN radio right now is hilarious
2012-09-25 01:40:41 AM  
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It looked like simultaneous possession from the angle of the first official, which is why he ran out signalling touchdown. The second official correctly saw that Jennings had control and possession before Tate and signaled for the clock to stop. At this point it's the responsibility of the head official to stop the game and discuss the situation to try to determine the correct call. In this case that discussion never occurred. The head official accepted the first official's signal of touchdown and gave the game to Seattle.

These scab refs need to go. Bad calls are part of the game, but trying to play professional football with unqualified officials just isn't working.
2012-09-25 01:39:47 AM  
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Nobodyn0se: helghast: it is not a "catch" until both feet are inbounds & player has control of the ball. there are many examples of one handed catches.

both players went up.

both players had their hand on the ball.

both players had control of the ball when their feet touched the ground.

rulling goes to passing team.

touch down seattle.

Wow, you must be SO much smarter than all the people who do this for a living....

Obviously, "some random guy on Fark" is much more knowledgeable about the rules of football than all those stupid "experts."

Can I be your friend?


Guy sounds legit. He should go ref the game on Thursday.
2012-09-25 01:39:21 AM  
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SkittlesAreYum: whither_apophis: Totally whack ending but, yes, the review box upheld the call and they are not replacement refs, iirc

A simultaneous possession call cannot be overturned because it is a judgement call. Why can't judgement calls be overturned? Because fark getting the call right, that's why.


Listen, they muffed the call. All this BS about what is and isn't reviewable: no, you farking do your due diligence to get the call right.

Remember this call?
Link

They technically weren't allowed to review, so they called a "conference" on the field while the booth took a quick look. The ref said something to the affect of "after conference on the field," but they made sure to make the right call. Bill Cowher lauded them for having the balls to make the right call here, even if they had to bend the rules a little.

If the refs had taken care and made the right call, there would be no outrage. It would have been debated, but in the end everyone would admit the refs did there job properly. Now it's going to be a shiatstorm.
2012-09-25 01:31:44 AM  
1 vote:
Worst part, the Seahawks D played a great game but nobody will remember that part.
2012-09-25 01:29:46 AM  
1 vote:
So week 1 was the extra TO, week 3 is this, I do not want to be the Panthers in week 5. Russell Wilson might drop kick Cam and it will be ruled a 10-point Rock and Jock conversion.
2012-09-25 01:26:43 AM  
1 vote:
This is the most entertaining season I can remember because no one knows what's next. MONKEY F*CKING SHENANIGANS
2012-09-25 01:26:05 AM  
1 vote:

whither_apophis: Totally whack ending but, yes, the review box upheld the call and they are not replacement refs, iirc


A simultaneous possession call cannot be overturned because it is a judgement call. Why can't judgement calls be overturned? Because fark getting the call right, that's why.
2012-09-25 01:25:59 AM  
1 vote:
The Milwaukee Journal link to the story is "Packers Interception Gives Seahawks Victory."

media.jrn.com
2012-09-25 01:24:20 AM  
1 vote:

Olfin Bedwere: One thought though. It seems that the ref that ran in and called it a touchdown might not have seen that Jennings had the ball at first. In the angle that they show from down the field (where Jennings is behind Tate, it seems like the ref's view may have been somewhat blocked. I'm not saying it was the correct call at all (it wasn't, and I'm a Seahawks fan) but it might explain the screw up a little. I'm just not sure why the ref closest to the call didn't have the balls to call it an interception and allowed himself to get overruled. Just throwing it out there.


I don't think anyone is really pissed about the initial call. It was the call by the main ref after reviewing the footage that everyone's pissed off about.
2012-09-25 01:22:43 AM  
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GAT_00: Nofun: but with instant replay it should have been a no-brainer.

This is what really pisses me off. I can understand screwing up the fast action of the NFL when you aren't used to it, but they've utterly farked up multiple calls after replay. That is inexcusable.


The announcers said it was a judgment call and not reviewable.
2012-09-25 01:21:08 AM  
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2012-09-25 01:20:31 AM  
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Simultaneous possession goes to the offense right? I was watching and that's how it looked to me.
2012-09-25 01:18:43 AM  
1 vote:

whither_apophis: Totally whack ending but, yes, the review box upheld the call and they are not replacement refs, iirc


I'm pretty sure that's college rules. The NFL has the ref on the field watch the play and make a decision, and that's the real problem. If you think a replacement ref is going to have the balls to overturn an apparent win for the home team, you're crazy. Adam Schefter just read a text on ESPN that he got from an NFL executive that suggested all scoring plays be reviewed at NFL league headquarters (like the NHL does it). Right idea.
2012-09-25 01:17:52 AM  
1 vote:
KNOCK THE BALL DOWN! bad fundamentals and a selfish play are why we're even talking about this. the packers secondary deserves death by snoo snoo for their utter and complete disdain for fundamentals
2012-09-25 01:16:30 AM  
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cuzsis: Also, on a purely football note. Could someone explain to me how the Seahawk player having his left arm and hand between the Green Bay player's chest and ball with his right hand on the ball as they came down is not a simultaneous? I have watched that replay a dozen times by now and every shot has his arm snaked up between the ball and the Green Bay player and they *both* come down with *both* hands all over the ball.

I don't care if the rule says that the offense or defense should get the ball at that point (if simultaneous catch.) So rule is beside the point for what I'm asking. It just plain *looks* like a simultaneous catch. They both have their hands all over the ball. That's what I see, that's what the people I'm watching the game with see and we can't figure out what the talking heads are going on about? Can they honestly not see his arm and hands in there?

/seriously, feel like I'm in the twilight zone or something....


Also, I disagree:

i.imgur.com
2012-09-25 01:15:57 AM  
1 vote:
TJ Lang is going off on Twitter, and Clay Matthews is giving out Goodell's office number on Facebook.
2012-09-25 01:09:25 AM  
1 vote:
I'm going to say it again: the coaches and players need to refuse to take the field this weekend, and perhaps the Browns-Ravens (I think) can get us started on Thursday. Goodell will only be forced to address this if we all stand up and spit in his eye. The coaches and players need to boycott, and if they can't we need to.
2012-09-25 01:08:23 AM  
1 vote:
I'm more stoked to watch next week's games, how can they possibly top that? It'll be crazy to see.
2012-09-25 01:01:52 AM  
1 vote:

Nobodyn0se: PAY THE FARKING REFS.


This and a +1 for subby.

It's time for the NFLPA to go on strike.
2012-09-25 12:57:25 AM  
1 vote:
What a debacle.
2012-09-25 12:55:48 AM  
1 vote:
I'll repeat it in the green: The last time someone got farked like that, they were dating Ben Rothlesberger.
2012-09-25 12:55:01 AM  
1 vote:
Vid of the incident and a little more - Link
2012-09-25 12:54:05 AM  
1 vote:
PAY THE FARKING REFS.
2012-09-25 12:51:01 AM  
1 vote:
Dear angry NFL fans,

There's always baseball to watch. We can only cover you until the end of October, then you're on your own.

Baseball fans.
2012-09-25 12:24:58 AM  
1 vote:
Well played multi-topic trolling.
2012-09-25 12:22:36 AM  
1 vote:
lol +1
2012-09-25 12:21:53 AM  
1 vote:
I like this one.
 
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