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2012-09-25 10:29:30 AM  

roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.


Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.
 
2012-09-25 10:31:47 AM  
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2012-09-25 10:32:43 AM  
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Who's in?
 
2012-09-25 10:33:43 AM  

czetie: Anybody else notice how bottom-of-the-barrel the ads on MNF were? Homeopathic skin tag remover, miracle car shine, buy one get one free...

I realize that the goal of ESPN has always been to make MNF almost but not quite unwatchable on the premise that football fans will watch regardless, so the business model is to attract as many "casual" viewers as possible. But I suspect that the combination of ESPN coverage and bad refereeing may actually be hurting them enough that advertisers are starting to notice and are shying away.

Just me?


Considering that I just dropped my cable box and my 2 cablecards off at Comcast yesterday because I can't justify paying for multiple channels of reality-laden trash, guess ESPN doesn't have to worry about losing me as a customer because of the NFL.
 
2012-09-25 10:34:59 AM  

roc6783: Stop trying to argue that the call was right, it wasn't.


I'm saying that it's a toss-up. It's not an egregiously terrible call. What were terrible calls/no-calls (chronological order):

PI on Chancellor
Late hit on Walden
PI on Shields
no PI on Woodson
no PI on Tate

THOSE were blatant terrible calls. The simultaneous possession was a 50-50 ball and a 50-50 call.

Also, Browner probably should've been ejected, the Packers' O-Line should've been called for holding some of the times they tackled the defensive line as part of their "blocking," etc.

But yeah, as I've said, it feels nice to finally be on the good side of a game-altering referee decision.

And the Pack will be fine - they'll be 3-3 in a couple of weeks and back to killing it. The Seahawks needed this one.
 
2012-09-25 10:35:47 AM  

IAmRight: roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.

Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.


Try making that point in cheese land.
 
2012-09-25 10:37:38 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: IAmRight: roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.

Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.

Try making that point in cheese land with any logical football fan.

 
2012-09-25 10:37:40 AM  
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Governor WalkerVerified @GovWalker

After catching a few hours of sleep, the #Packers game is still just as painful. #Returntherealrefs
 
2012-09-25 10:38:15 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: IAmRight: roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.

Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.

Try making that point in cheese land.


Or in the land of objective reality.
 
2012-09-25 10:38:28 AM  
Why is it that an industry that enjoys Federal anti-trust protection can get away with this crap? Where's the NLRB in this? Where is Congress? I know, I know... Just a hopeful thought that someone can bring these greedy assholes to heel.
 
2012-09-25 10:40:33 AM  

Mentat: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Governor WalkerVerified @GovWalker

After catching a few hours of sleep, the #Packers game is still just as painful. #Returntherealrefs


The irony is staggering.
 
2012-09-25 10:41:36 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Try making that point in cheese land.


Hey, I like the Packers against every other team in the league. If that play doesn't happen, I bet no one bothers to point out that the Packers magically went from giving up 8 sacks and multiple offensive line penalties to ZERO offensive line penalties and ZERO sacks in the second half. No one bothers to point out that several times, the Seahawks had a defensive stop negated by a terrible penalty call. They would only have talked about how the Packers roared back to take an important win on the road.

Because it's okay when the Seahawks get f*cked by refs, but it's completely unacceptable when a popular team has a series of bad calls help cost them the game.

Oh, you want extra timeouts? Seahawks had that happen against them with regular refs (Ravens). Oh, you want game-winning TDs that never made it into the end zone? Seahawks had that happen against them with regular refs (Jets, Steelers). Oh, you want a half-dozen 50-50 calls on critical plays that all land against you? Seahawks had that happen against them with regular refs (Super Bowl).
 
2012-09-25 10:42:49 AM  

IAmRight: Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.


If by waist you mean above his shoulders and curls his body while he has both hands on it. Tate has a hand on it, but when the player who has both hands on it (first) and curls his body over it then thats the man who has the catch. As roc stated, the only reason its considered Hawks is because of bad process and a horrible decision by one guy to call it a touchdown.
 
2012-09-25 10:42:53 AM  

DrBenway: admiral_neckbeard: Excellent work, subby.

That will be the last time I click on ESPN unless the scab refs are replaced. I'm done with it all. I don't care. Life is too short to get worked up about this if the NFL won't take officiating their own games seriously. It's on a WWE-like level now, and with wrestling at least you know what you are getting.

/Yeah, I know, they won't miss me either.
//My opinion didn't matter a whole lot in the WI recall election, either, so I used to it.

ESPN only broadcasts one game a week. But you know that, right?


If you really want to get technical, ESPN broadcasts nothing.

If they did, the FCC could fine them for violating decency standards by showing that game last night.
 
2012-09-25 10:43:38 AM  

IAmRight: roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.

Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.


Touching the ball does NOT establish control, why do you keep arguing that it does? If it did then the Calvin Johnson play against the Bears would not have been ruled incomplete, since the whole basis of the ruling was that he did not maintain control through the entire process of the catch.

Tate does not establish control before or simultaneously with Jennings, therefore, he cannot have possession by rule. Why do you keep arguing this?
 
2012-09-25 10:44:24 AM  
Best headline YTD. +1 Subby
 
2012-09-25 10:47:08 AM  

Killer Cars: Honestly, I thought Brandon Browner should've been ejected had the refs actually seen the entirety of his "interaction" with Greg Jennings. A cheap shot light years away from the play, and then when Jennings has the audacity to get up and get in his face, Browner bodyslams him in the endzone.

I only bring it up b/c it was Browner that defended the 2pt conversion which made a difference.


Meh. Among the many legitimate complaints about the officiating, "that meanie shouldn't have been allowed to play!" is pretty weak.
 
2012-09-25 10:48:57 AM  
A few points:

1. The main thing that happened in that play that would never have happened with regular refs, besides the whole not-calling-a-pushoff thing, is that that first touchdown signal would probably not have been made. Real refs, if you remember watching them at this point, usually talked for at most five seconds before either putting their hands up or not, and if it went to five seconds it usually involved the head ref coming in to break up the conversation.

2. That said, the rules stated above about how Jennings clearly possessed the ball before Tate is pretty much the reason this shouldn't be a touchdown. Any "judgement call" bs they're throwing out there, again, would in all likelihood not have happened with the majority of real refs.

3. I know the league is probably LOVING all the ad revenue generated by the extra commercials while refs are deciding shiat, but really, this is dumb. Games are going ridiculously long (this one went about 3:15, which is a bit long but not by much), pretty much because the refs don't know what they're doing.

4. It seems like there's a borderline fight in every game now, all because they know it'll take an actual fight for a ref to throw an unsportsmanlike flag because they're either scare shiatless of them or have them in their fantasy leagues. (You just know that the guy dropped from the Saints game last week isn't the only one.)

Yes, last week I did say that you should just win the game outright and not worry about whether or not the refs are the ones taking it away. But this week...there's too many instances where you can say that people did win the game, even (as in the case of Green Bay) when they didn't deserve it, and yet a blown call directly led to the other team winning.

The saddest thing is, because there's no way we'll ever get a true boycott going, it's going to take a major incident to stop this. Maybe it'll make DHB'shiat look tame and lead to death on the field. Maybe we'll get a soccer-like riot in London when the refs fark up. (That one, my dream scenario btw, would be so glorious in so, so many ways, from killing Goodell's hard-on for London permanently to having an international incident marring his tenure.) Either way, that's what it's going to take. I don't want it to happen, but it will.
 
2012-09-25 10:50:19 AM  
Bad reffing aside, I just miss Ed Hoculi's gun show.
 
2012-09-25 10:50:24 AM  

roc6783: IAmRight: roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.

Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.

Touching the ball does NOT establish control, why do you keep arguing that it does? If it did then the Calvin Johnson play against the Bears would not have been ruled incomplete, since the whole basis of the ruling was that he did not maintain control through the entire process of the catch.

Tate does not establish control before or simultaneously with Jennings, therefore, he cannot have possession by rule. Why do you keep arguing this?


I guess some people just don't have much else going on in their lives aside from arguing about sports on Fark. I mean, who are you going to believe... Steve Young? Your lying eyes? Or some rabid sports nerd on Fark?
 
2012-09-25 10:50:28 AM  

Nobodyn0se: Chunks McGunks: Simultaneous possession goes to the offense right? I was watching and that's how it looked to me.

In other words, you haven't watched any of the TV coverage or read any of the threads on Fark in which it was explained how this wasn't a simultaneous catch, per the rules?

Got it.


I did. I watched an actual ref come on and say he would have called it the same way and that clip was promptly never shown again.
 
2012-09-25 10:51:54 AM  

RminusQ: So, we need a name for this event. People were throwing out "Seattle Screwjob", but I think "Monday Night Mayhem" fits pretty well.


Monday Night Mayhem is what the league is pushing to try to co-opt the discussion away from the officiating farkup and toward the general chaos that followed.

Seattle Screwjob is much more fitting.
 
2012-09-25 10:52:45 AM  

Mentat: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Governor WalkerVerified @GovWalker

After catching a few hours of sleep, the #Packers game is still just as painful. #Returntherealrefs


We're through the looking glass here, people...
 
2012-09-25 11:00:17 AM  

karmaceutical: roc6783: IAmRight: roc6783: ***snip***
I guess some people just don't have much else going on in their lives aside from arguing about sports on Fark. I mean, who are you going to believe... Steve Young? Your lying eyes? Or some rabid sports nerd on Fark?


Thanks? Am I Steve Young in this scenario?
 
2012-09-25 11:02:13 AM  
Yes, the Packers got the interception at the end.

Yes, it's shameful that the Packers only got 12 farking points in that whole game. You have Aaron Rogers as a QB and you score only 12 points? And you expect us to feel sorry for you?

Detroit: 87 points this year.
Chicago: 74 points.
Minnesota: 70 points.
Green Bay: 57 points.

You're bringing up the rear, Green Bay. Time to step it up.
 
2012-09-25 11:03:51 AM  

IAmRight: Hey, I like the Packers against every other team in the league. If that play doesn't happen, I bet no one bothers to point out that the Packers magically went from giving up 8 sacks and multiple offensive line penalties to ZERO offensive line penalties and ZERO sacks in the second half. No one bothers to point out that several times, the Seahawks had a defensive stop negated by a terrible penalty call. They would only have talked about how the Packers roared back to take an important win on the road.


I know you may be right in this part, but unfortunately, thanks to one idiot who put his hands up next to the person with the better view, we will never, ever care about it. Rodgers could've earned the Jake three times over and been sacked twenty more times, and if this call happened, it STILL wouldn't matter. That one call completely negated the fact that the Pack earned that loss. The court of public opinion will only see that play on their local news today, and they will all rule exactly the same: That Jennings possessed the ball long before Tate and as such it shouldn't have happened.

I know Seahawks fans in general will glory in this for a while, but it won't ever put the sterling silver football on a pedestal in the trophy case they think they earned seven years ago (despite Holmgren's atrocious clock management).
 
2012-09-25 11:04:56 AM  

karmaceutical: I guess some people just don't have much else going on in their lives aside from arguing about sports on Fark. I mean, who are you going to believe... Steve Young? Your lying eyes? Or some rabid sports nerd on Fark?


Steve Young's had so many concussions he can hear the color purple.
 
2012-09-25 11:07:42 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Green Bay: 57 points.

You're bringing up the rear, Green Bay. Time to step it up.


In their defense, their schedule has been against great defensive teams to this point. SF, CHI, and SEA all have great defenses this year. They haven't had a cupcake yet.
 
2012-09-25 11:08:43 AM  
Epic fail on the OP... the reason the refs are so bad is that any ref that has aspirations to ref in the NFL someday doesn't want to be labeled a scab... so in a way, its unspoken thuggery.
 
2012-09-25 11:10:32 AM  

IAmRight: antidisestablishmentarianism: Try making that point in cheese land.

Hey, I like the Packers against every other team in the league. If that play doesn't happen, I bet no one bothers to point out that the Packers magically went from giving up 8 sacks and multiple offensive line penalties to ZERO offensive line penalties and ZERO sacks in the second half. No one bothers to point out that several times, the Seahawks had a defensive stop negated by a terrible penalty call. They would only have talked about how the Packers roared back to take an important win on the road.

Because it's okay when the Seahawks get f*cked by refs, but it's completely unacceptable when a popular team has a series of bad calls help cost them the game.

Oh, you want extra timeouts? Seahawks had that happen against them with regular refs (Ravens). Oh, you want game-winning TDs that never made it into the end zone? Seahawks had that happen against them with regular refs (Jets, Steelers). Oh, you want a half-dozen 50-50 calls on critical plays that all land against you? Seahawks had that happen against them with regular refs (Super Bowl).


No I agree, the Hawks had more bad calls against them than GB, but where I sit no one remembers any of them.
 
2012-09-25 11:16:08 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: No I agree, the Hawks had more bad calls against them than GB, but where I sit no one remembers any of them.


I don't think the purpose of this is a tally; its how the final play played out, and that America watched an utterly epic fail unfold right before their eyes. Yeah, there were so many bad calls and no calls on both sides mainly because of pure inconsistency going for both sides. Those final minutes NONE of those calls were legit, including the mysterious holding calls against SEA. It was just awful to watch.
 
2012-09-25 11:16:58 AM  

roc6783: karmaceutical: roc6783: IAmRight: roc6783: ***snip***
I guess some people just don't have much else going on in their lives aside from arguing about sports on Fark. I mean, who are you going to believe... Steve Young? Your lying eyes? Or some rabid sports nerd on Fark?

Thanks? Am I Steve Young in this scenario?


I think Steve Young is Steve Young... unless of course you are Steve Young.
 
2012-09-25 11:20:24 AM  

karmaceutical: roc6783: karmaceutical: roc6783: IAmRight: roc6783: ***snip***
I guess some people just don't have much else going on in their lives aside from arguing about sports on Fark. I mean, who are you going to believe... Steve Young? Your lying eyes? Or some rabid sports nerd on Fark?

Thanks? Am I Steve Young in this scenario?

I think Steve Young is Steve Young... unless of course you are Steve Young.


I am the Goddamn Batman, so I give it a definite MAYBE!
 
2012-09-25 11:20:46 AM  

gameshowhost: zerkalo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 255x204]

Pay those men their money

*golf clap*

/was not expecting teddy kgb


Very nice. Way to slide in a Rounders reference.
 
2012-09-25 11:32:00 AM  

IAmRight: czetie: I don't know whether you are actually this profoundly ignorant of the Simultaneous Possession rule, a topic that has been explained in great detail all over the web, radio, and TV this morning; or whether you are merely trolling. Neither reflects well on you.

Tate has both his arms on the ball, including his left arm between Jennings and the ball as they're coming down. Simultaneous possession there isn't even within the top 5 bad calls/no-calls of that quarter.


No matter how many times you repeat that, it still won't become true. Everybody, from drunken fans sitting in front of their TV last night to every pundit writing or talking about it this morning agrees that you are wrong. There's not a person alive who say what you imagine you saw. It's beyond any rational dispute, and yet here you (and you alone) are. Why is that? Because I'm pretty sure that Tate still won't sleep with you.

Here's a tip: if you want to be a successful troll, you need to pick an issue that's a matter of opinion and that people feel passionately about, then say something inflammatory about it. For example, you could try arguing that while the call was bad, the outcome was fair because the Packers sucked, for example. On the other hand, if your goal is to continue to persuade everybody here that you are a moron, well, just keep arguing that the facts are not the facts.
 
2012-09-25 11:35:57 AM  
Look - I've hated the Pack for years (longtime niner fan) - but what happened last night was BS and should not be tolerated by any football fan. All of the Seahawks fans and players with shiat eating grins and stupid comments about "well, it seemed like the right call to me" etc. should be very careful about karma - these refs will eventually screw you over as well.

I honestly don't think I'll be watching games until the regular refs come back. I only wish there was a way I could boycott more effectively (one girl on couch doesn't count for much in the NFL machine)
 
2012-09-25 11:40:24 AM  

MBP2112: Why is it that an industry that enjoys Federal anti-trust protection can get away with this crap? Where's the NLRB in this? Where is Congress? I know, I know... Just a hopeful thought that someone can bring these greedy assholes to heel.


Ah, yes...Congress. The one group of people in this great nation of ours who can fark something up worse than any replacement officiating crew!
 
2012-09-25 11:43:14 AM  

roc6783: Tate does not establish control before or simultaneously with Jennings, therefore, he cannot have possession by rule. Why do you keep arguing this?


I'm beginning to suspect that he actually believes his own handle. I've seen him argue that facts are not facts in other threads in completely different contexts. There's just something wrong with the way his brain works: once he has decided what reality is, no amount of objective evidence will change his mind.

The funniest one was when another farker utterly demolished his claims point by point and his response was "You're supporting my argument". It was hilarious -- or at least, as hilarious as mental illness in a random stranger can get.
 
2012-09-25 11:54:57 AM  
A few more thoughts:

(1) If the tables had been turned and the Seahawks had been robbed at the end, about 75% of the comments in this thread would have been along the lines of "LOL at the whiny butthurt Seahawks fans who still haven't gotten over Super Bowl XL! Look at my amusing "bottle of whine" picture that I stole!"

(2) If Jennings had any sense, he would have batted the ball out the back of the end zone instead of trying so hard to fight for the INT, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

(3) The defensive PI call against Shields was indeed egregious, but no more egregious than the call against Chancellor that kept the Packers' TD drive alive, or the non-call against Woodson a couple of minutes later.

(4) After all the first-half sacks, the Packers made second-half adjustments all right: their linemen wrapped up the pass rushers and tackled them. Repeatedly. But if Russell Okung lifts up an arm and immediately pulls it down, ohboy, that's holdin' right there.

So look, the very worst call was at the end, and I can't ignore the fact that the Packers shut down the Seahawks' offense and indeed dominated it in the second half. The Packers should have won. But this was very much a two-way clusterfark, as were many other games this week.
 
2012-09-25 11:58:19 AM  

Chunks McGunks: Nobodyn0se: Chunks McGunks: Simultaneous possession goes to the offense right? I was watching and that's how it looked to me.

In other words, you haven't watched any of the TV coverage or read any of the threads on Fark in which it was explained how this wasn't a simultaneous catch, per the rules?

Got it.

I did. I watched an actual ref come on and say he would have called it the same way and that clip was promptly never shown again.


No you didn't. You watched an actual ref come on and say that once having called it as a touchdown without taking the opportunity for an on-field conference, he would have had no choice but to call it the same way, because of the insane way that the review rules are written. (See also: ball inside the uprights on a kick: reviewable; ball outside the uprights: reviewable; ball directly over the uprights: not reviewable).

Having declared possession to Tate, the only thing they could review was complete/incomplete. Smarter refs would have realized their mistake and opted for the fiction that Tate didn't maintain control all the way to the ground.
 
2012-09-25 12:05:40 PM  

Super Chronic: ltdanman44: I WONDER IF THESE SAME SEAHAWKS FOOTBALL FANS WHO WERE biatchING AND MOANING ABOUT SUPER BOWL XL OFFICALS ARE THE SAME ONES CALLING THIS A LEGIT TOUCHDOWN

STOP YELLING! WE CAN HEAR YOU!

The correct answer is that the officiating in both games sucked, in fact this one was worse, but this one also was nowhere near as consequential. Packers will get over it and they'll probably still win their division by three games or more.


In Super Bowl XL, the officials made two bad calls.

In last night's game, the officiating crew made several bad calls and failed to follow protocols on almost every play.

The problems are beyond judgemental, they're systemic. And severe injuries are occurring because the scab refs can not do their job correctly.
 
2012-09-25 12:09:52 PM  

roc6783: Touching the ball does NOT establish control, why do you keep arguing that it does?


I'm not. I'm saying you can't say you have control when another dude has his hand in between you and the ball.
 
2012-09-25 12:12:41 PM  

thecpt: And I'm sick of hearing "its just one game, the pack will be fine." We have a pretty tough schedule and we have to go 9 and 4 now to realistically make the playoffs. Yes, we were good last year but people cannot downplay our argument by saying it won't matter.


My personal dream is that the Pack misses the playoffs by one game. I will go all Cartman on their angry/sad tears. My sooners sucked it up and ruined their season, and my Vikes have no real chance. The only thing I have to hope for this season is Packers fans being near suicidal over missing the playoffs. Its been a tough couple of years for my football prospects.
 
2012-09-25 12:19:33 PM  

IAmRight: roc6783: Touching the ball does NOT establish control, why do you keep arguing that it does?

I'm not. I'm saying you can't say you have control when another dude has his hand in between you and the ball.


And by the rules, you would be wrong as Jennings pulls the ball to his chest establishing control, regardless of where Tate's hands are or aren't. So why are you still arguing it?
 
2012-09-25 12:28:46 PM  
Funny headline, but it actually makes the reverse point.

In order to justify their end of the employer/union agreement, the union needs to be able to prove that it can provide a certain level of quality/consistency in the labor product they provide.

To do that the union needs to police its own members and THAT is what is missing these days. Unions bristle at proposals from management that give management more ability to termintate employees or give them negative reviews. But that just means it is the UNION's job to do so. A union that does not review its own members' performance and proactively remove them from the union for non-performance is not holding up its end of the bargain.
 
2012-09-25 12:31:57 PM  

czetie: Chunks McGunks: Nobodyn0se: Chunks McGunks: Simultaneous possession goes to the offense right? I was watching and that's how it looked to me.

In other words, you haven't watched any of the TV coverage or read any of the threads on Fark in which it was explained how this wasn't a simultaneous catch, per the rules?

Got it.

I did. I watched an actual ref come on and say he would have called it the same way and that clip was promptly never shown again.

No you didn't. You watched an actual ref come on and say that once having called it as a touchdown without taking the opportunity for an on-field conference, he would have had no choice but to call it the same way, because of the insane way that the review rules are written. (See also: ball inside the uprights on a kick: reviewable; ball outside the uprights: reviewable; ball directly over the uprights: not reviewable).

Having declared possession to Tate, the only thing they could review was complete/incomplete. Smarter refs would have realized their mistake and opted for the fiction that Tate didn't maintain control all the way to the ground.


Meh looked fine to me other than the offensive PI
 
2012-09-25 12:34:01 PM  

Girl On Couch: All of the Seahawks fans and players with shiat eating grins and stupid comments about "well, it seemed like the right call to me" etc. should be very careful about karma - these refs will eventually screw you over as well.


I believe you're one Super Bowl late and one touchdown that didn't really cross the end zone short on that one.


/DID YOU KNOW? Jerome Bettis is from Detroit!
 
2012-09-25 12:46:14 PM  

Girl On Couch: Look - I've hated the Pack for years (longtime niner fan) - but what happened last night was BS and should not be tolerated by any football fan. All of the Seahawks fans and players with shiat eating grins and stupid comments about "well, it seemed like the right call to me" etc. should be very careful about karma - these refs will eventually screw you over as well.

I honestly don't think I'll be watching games until the regular refs come back. I only wish there was a way I could boycott more effectively (one girl on couch doesn't count for much in the NFL machine)


Because there wasn't bad officiating in the Packers favor that allowed them to gain the lead in the first place?

Look, I'm glad they pulled out the win, but there no way to know how that game would've turned out with the other refs because there were bad calls against both sides that set up scoring opportunities. Have you thought maybe the Packers paid their karma back for that TD drive for them on bad calls with a TD drive against them on bad calls?

/probably not
 
rka
2012-09-25 12:46:30 PM  

WhyteRaven74: kingflower: that's the way the refs called it.

Actually the ref with the best view didn't call it a touchdown. Also funny how everyone talking about it, including current and former NFL players, are saying it wasn't a TD. You know, people who know the rule book inside and out.


I think that notion has been put to rest by the utter confusion that we see in every game. Replacement refs or not.

If players knew the rules then both teams wouldn't have run to the locker rooms after the TD and somehow forgot to kick the XP. McNabb would know OT rules. Coaches would know what they can challenge and what they can't. Teams would know how many Timeouts they had left.

What this entire fiasco shows is that players, coaches, fans, media...all have only the barest notion of the rules.
 
2012-09-25 01:04:19 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: I think we found Koman Coulibaly's alt.


What's an "alt?"
 
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