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2012-09-25 09:33:57 AM  
Subby:

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2012-09-25 09:35:02 AM  

DamnYankees: Did you even watch the Titans/Lions game?


They tipped that forward.

He really could've scooped it over his head and out of bounds. No chance anyone gets it then. (I know a lot of people do this in arena football on onside kicks - sure, there's a penalty for hitting it out of bounds on that play, but you still get the ball, and a loss of 10 yards doesn't really cost you anything).

In fairness, I'm sure he saw the Titans/Lions game and didn't want that to happen, and no one thinks of throwing it out of bounds.
 
2012-09-25 09:36:44 AM  

MadCat: Koman Coulibaly: MadCat: *points to where you wrote that the "unionized officials will support their follow officials" *

They are following, are they not? Per usual, qualified officials are correct, and drunk fans are not.

Well, I got stuck working the late shift tonight so I am actually quite sober, as I have not had the opportunity to down even one malt beverage. I am not about to delve further into a language and grammar debate with an unworthy opponent however, so I shall instead take the opportunity to call it a night.


Next time, Google his user name.
 
2012-09-25 09:37:15 AM  
www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-09-25 09:41:49 AM  

admiral_neckbeard: Excellent work, subby.

That will be the last time I click on ESPN unless the scab refs are replaced. I'm done with it all. I don't care. Life is too short to get worked up about this if the NFL won't take officiating their own games seriously. It's on a WWE-like level now, and with wrestling at least you know what you are getting.

/Yeah, I know, they won't miss me either.
//My opinion didn't matter a whole lot in the WI recall election, either, so I used to it.


ESPN sucks except for the times they show actual games, they out a lot of bullshiat in their shows now, back when they used to be just highlights I watched all the time but I quit giving a shiat about ESPN and their crap years ago.
 
2012-09-25 09:42:08 AM  

IAmRight: In fairness, I'm sure he saw the Titans/Lions game and didn't want that to happen, and no one thinks of throwing it out of bounds.


I keep feeling like they actually discussed that in the locker room before the game. He had the ball hit him square in the hands, and at that point it safest to just haul it into you chest., which he did. If he weakly tipped it or tried to direct it, there was an unknown chance that the offence could have gotten it. Before this occurrence, there was no probability of him catching the ball and the refs making such an awful decision.

It sucks. That game was a great defensive effort by both sides with only one real bad play (the broken coverage in the first half that lead to a touchdown).
 
2012-09-25 09:42:09 AM  
And the owners just want what's best for the league... doh
 
2012-09-25 09:42:14 AM  
I'm a lifelong Vikes fan and i'm pissed Green Bay lost. No way the refs should screw that up. It was nice to see the outrage on TV last night. The ESPN announcers/sportscasters/experts were all livid. It was beautiful.
 
2012-09-25 09:43:41 AM  

IAmRight: cuzsis: So rule is beside the point for what I'm asking. It just plain *looks* like a simultaneous catch. They both have their hands all over the ball. That's what I see, that's what the people I'm watching the game with see and we can't figure out what the talking heads are going on about? Can they honestly not see his arm and hands in there?

It's more important to be outraged than right.

/the pass interference calls and non-pass-interference calls throughout the second half were far worse calls than that. Tate has both hands on the ball by the time they hit the ground, simultaneous possession goes to the offense, therefore it's a TD.


I don't know whether you are actually this profoundly ignorant of the Simultaneous Possession rule, a topic that has been explained in great detail all over the web, radio, and TV this morning; or whether you are merely trolling. Neither reflects well on you.

I also don't know whether your Fark handle is supposed to be ironic, because in every thread I've ever seen you in, you have never been anything but completely wrong, and usually on a matter of facts about which there is absolutely no controversy. If you're a troll, your a pathetically bad one.
 
2012-09-25 09:44:28 AM  

IAmRight: DamnYankees: Did you even watch the Titans/Lions game?

They tipped that forward.

He really could've scooped it over his head and out of bounds. No chance anyone gets it then. (I know a lot of people do this in arena football on onside kicks - sure, there's a penalty for hitting it out of bounds on that play, but you still get the ball, and a loss of 10 yards doesn't really cost you anything).

In fairness, I'm sure he saw the Titans/Lions game and didn't want that to happen, and no one thinks of throwing it out of bounds.


I think its physically harder to do that than we imagine. A ball thrown from ~40 yards away has a lot of momentum coming down. To try to hit it back up and behind you is probably pretty difficult, especially when you are in a crowd of people all trying to catch the ball.
 
2012-09-25 09:48:23 AM  

vygramul: [www.bitlogic.com image 360x297]


LOL'd hard, well done!
 
2012-09-25 09:50:40 AM  

DamnYankees: IAmRight: DamnYankees: Did you even watch the Titans/Lions game?

They tipped that forward.

He really could've scooped it over his head and out of bounds. No chance anyone gets it then. (I know a lot of people do this in arena football on onside kicks - sure, there's a penalty for hitting it out of bounds on that play, but you still get the ball, and a loss of 10 yards doesn't really cost you anything).

In fairness, I'm sure he saw the Titans/Lions game and didn't want that to happen, and no one thinks of throwing it out of bounds.

I think its physically harder to do that than we imagine. A ball thrown from ~40 yards away has a lot of momentum coming down. To try to hit it back up and behind you is probably pretty difficult, especially when you are in a crowd of people all trying to catch the ball.


Plus, when the defender has to react in a fraction of second to a receiver trying to tear the ball away from him, the last thing he's going to do is release the ball in any way whatsoever.

But hey, Random Internet Guys, you keep clinging on to the idea that you have a better idea what to do down there than an actual NFL safety.
 
2012-09-25 09:50:56 AM  

cuzsis: ***snip***

Also, on a purely football note. Could someone explain to me how the Seahawk player having his left arm and hand between the Green Bay player's chest and ball with his right hand on the ball as they came down is not a simultaneous? I have watched that replay a dozen times by now and every shot has his arm snaked up between the ball and the Green Bay player and they *both* come down with *both* hands all over the ball.

I don't care if the rule says that the offense or defense should get the ball at that point (if simultaneous catch.) So rule is beside the point for what I'm asking. It just plain *looks* like a simultaneous catch. They both have their hands all over the ball. That's what I see, that's what the people I'm watching the game with see and we can't figure out what the talking heads are going on about? Can they honestly not see his arm and hands in there?

/seriously, feel like I'm in the twilight zone or something....


The rule, which if you dare venture into last night's thread where it was discussed thoroughly, is that if one player, Jennings, has control of the ball, then another player establishes control, Tate, it is not a simultaneous catch. There is a replay where the camera is on the right side of the field, that clearly shows Jennings establishing control by pulling it into his chest, then Tate reaching in. Since Jennings had first control and maintained it through the process of making the catch, he is the only one who can possess it by rule.
 
2012-09-25 09:53:33 AM  
Trending worldwide on twitter right now:

Roger Goodell
MNF
Tate
 
2012-09-25 09:54:25 AM  
HOTY candidate.
 
2012-09-25 09:55:38 AM  

whither_apophis: cuzsis: ***snip***

Totally whack ending but, yes, the review box upheld the call and they are not replacement refs, iirc


Again, thoroughly discussed last night, once the call on the field is ruled a TD, it automatically awards Tate with possession, which he did not have. Possession cannot be reviewed, only whether Tate meets the criteria for a catch, which he did.
 
2012-09-25 10:01:34 AM  

ltdanman44: I WONDER IF THESE SAME SEAHAWKS FOOTBALL FANS WHO WERE biatchING AND MOANING ABOUT SUPER BOWL XL OFFICALS ARE THE SAME ONES CALLING THIS A LEGIT TOUCHDOWN


STOP YELLING! WE CAN HEAR YOU!

The correct answer is that the officiating in both games sucked, in fact this one was worse, but this one also was nowhere near as consequential. Packers will get over it and they'll probably still win their division by three games or more.
 
2012-09-25 10:01:47 AM  
epic headline is epic
 
2012-09-25 10:02:04 AM  

roc6783: Possession cannot be reviewed, only whether Tate meets the criteria for a catch, which he did.


I checked out of last night's thread mainly because I was taking a hatchet to my tv and coffee table, but possession really isn't reviewable? I've seen reviews of it on fumbles, how does that rule not cover midair possession? I understand a lot of review rules, and if people have paid attention to the games this year then everyone would realize that viewers are learning more this year from bad calls than they ever had. (also learning which commentators know the rules like Gruden and Aikmen, from the ones that don't like Collinsworth and Michaels). That has to be reviewable. Are we just going to get the megatron rule treatment from a year ago, and the rules will be augmented after the season?
 
2012-09-25 10:04:35 AM  

RminusQ: So, we need a name for this event. People were throwing out "Seattle Screwjob", but I think "Monday Night Mayhem" fits pretty well.


Heard "You've Got Fail", chuckled.
 
2012-09-25 10:07:55 AM  

czetie: I don't know whether you are actually this profoundly ignorant of the Simultaneous Possession rule, a topic that has been explained in great detail all over the web, radio, and TV this morning; or whether you are merely trolling. Neither reflects well on you.


Tate has both his arms on the ball, including his left arm between Jennings and the ball as they're coming down. Simultaneous possession there isn't even within the top 5 bad calls/no-calls of that quarter.

DamnYankees: I think its physically harder to do that than we imagine. A ball thrown from ~40 yards away has a lot of momentum coming down. To try to hit it back up and behind you is probably pretty difficult, especially when you are in a crowd of people all trying to catch the ball.


I'm not saying "oh he should've done it" but that if he were to tip it, that's the way to go. And if there is a situation where you can tip the ball, then yeah, tip it out of bounds.
 
2012-09-25 10:07:58 AM  

Dogfacedgod: Jennings should have knocked it down and not try and pad his stats. The packers deserve this, so do you all.


Hey, Coach, what about when knocking it down results in someone catching it.

Can't wait for your guidance, Coach!
 
2012-09-25 10:09:26 AM  

thecpt: roc6783: ***snip***


I agree that is is BS, but every source I have seen or heard has agreed that who has rightful possession is not reviewable, and the biggest mistake that the head ref made was going to the hood instead of talking to the guys who made the conflicting calls. Once the TD call was made, possession was locked in as Tate's, which was wrong. Hopefully, this traveshamockery leads to the real refs coming back and the reviewable possession rule being changed.
 
2012-09-25 10:10:45 AM  

IAmRight: czetie: I don't know whether you are actually this profoundly ignorant of the Simultaneous Possession rule, a topic that has been explained in great detail all over the web, radio, and TV this morning; or whether you are merely trolling. Neither reflects well on you.

Tate has both his arms on the ball, including his left arm between Jennings and the ball as they're coming down. Simultaneous possession there isn't even within the top 5 bad calls/no-calls of that quarter.


The no-OPI call on the shove 0.5 seconds before the catch was more egregious.
 
2012-09-25 10:11:52 AM  
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I'm not sure how anyone can seriously say that Tate doesn't have both hands on this ball the whole way. Why do you think Jennings couldn't pull the ball away, even when he twisted his body away from Tate? BECAUSE TATE'S ARM WAS UNDERNEATH IT.

Now, as for terrible calls/no-calls:

DPI call on Chancellor that helped give the Packers the lead
Late hit on Walden, erasing an INT
DPI on Shields (don't think the regular refs would've called the OPI either on Rice - don't think Packers fans would've been upset about this if it were a no-call, either)
Ignored DPI on Woodson
Ignored OPI on Tate

Yup, not even within the five worst calls of the quarter.
 
2012-09-25 10:12:38 AM  

DamnYankees: The no-OPI call on the shove 0.5 seconds before the catch was more egregious.


Exactly.

But again, have you ever seen pass interference of any kind called on a Hail Mary?
 
2012-09-25 10:13:59 AM  

IAmRight: czetie: I don't know whether you are actually this profoundly ignorant of the Simultaneous Possession rule, a topic that has been explained in great detail all over the web, radio, and TV this morning; or whether you are merely trolling. Neither reflects well on you.

Tate has both his arms on the ball, including his left arm between Jennings and the ball as they're coming down. Simultaneous possession there isn't even within the top 5 bad calls/no-calls of that quarter.
.


Right... but Jennings has his ENTIRE BODY between the Tate and the ball.
 
2012-09-25 10:14:11 AM  

IAmRight: DamnYankees: The no-OPI call on the shove 0.5 seconds before the catch was more egregious.

Exactly.

But again, have you ever seen pass interference of any kind called on a Hail Mary?


I can't think of an OPI that bad on a hail mary either.

But this isn't really fair, since successful hail mary's are so rare, the sample size is pretty small.
 
2012-09-25 10:17:11 AM  

roc6783: I agree that is is BS, but every source I have seen or heard has agreed that who has rightful possession is not reviewable, and the biggest mistake that the head ref made was going to the hood instead of talking to the guys who made the conflicting calls. Once the TD call was made, possession was locked in as Tate's, which was wrong. Hopefully, this traveshamockery leads to the real refs coming back and the reviewable possession rule being changed.


Alright. Thanks for the process breakdown.

And I'm sick of hearing "its just one game, the pack will be fine." We have a pretty tough schedule and we have to go 9 and 4 now to realistically make the playoffs. Yes, we were good last year but people cannot downplay our argument by saying it won't matter.
 
2012-09-25 10:19:41 AM  

FarkMeAmadeus: Packer LB Desmond Bishop just had one of the best tweets OF ALL TIME.

BREAKING -JaMarcus Russell eyeing return to NFL after discovering games can be won by throwing interceptions.

 

Glorious
 
2012-09-25 10:20:26 AM  

karmaceutical: Right... but Jennings has his ENTIRE BODY between the Tate and the ball.


No he doesn't. Not until after the call has been made, and even then he still doesn't wrestle the ball away, indicating he didn't really have a whole lot of possession.

DamnYankees: I can't think of an OPI that bad on a hail mary either.

But this isn't really fair, since successful hail mary's are so rare, the sample size is pretty small.


Yeah, but the point is that there's a lot of pass interference going on in those and they never call anything. But yeah, that was worse OPI than most.

/hey, if Jennings had landed out of bounds, what would the ruling have been? Is it still Tate's for simultaneous possession or is it out of bounds because someone who had possession was out of bounds?
 
2012-09-25 10:20:34 AM  
Honestly, I thought Brandon Browner should've been ejected had the refs actually seen the entirety of his "interaction" with Greg Jennings. A cheap shot light years away from the play, and then when Jennings has the audacity to get up and get in his face, Browner bodyslams him in the endzone.

I only bring it up b/c it was Browner that defended the 2pt conversion which made a difference.
 
2012-09-25 10:20:49 AM  

IAmRight: DamnYankees: The no-OPI call on the shove 0.5 seconds before the catch was more egregious.

Exactly.

But again, have you ever seen pass interference of any kind called on a Hail Mary?


Not that I can recall, but I'm sure someone's googling it right now to find out. The way I see it, those plays are properly called using Thunderdome rules (i.e. none at all except for health-and-safety stuff).
 
2012-09-25 10:22:10 AM  

IAmRight: DamnYankees: The no-OPI call on the shove 0.5 seconds before the catch was more egregious.

Exactly.

But again, have you ever seen pass interference of any kind called on a Hail Mary?


I can, and they've mentioned the game in a few of the articles I've seen. Back in the late-90's they called DPI in a Pats-Bills game (when Pete was the coach in New England). I believe it was Terry Glenn that was basically shoved on the play and it was so blatant that they had no choice but to throw the flag. The Pats were given the ball on the 1, scored a TD to win. Similar to last night the refs made the teams come back out for the meaningless extra point. The Bills refused, so the Pats "went for 2" against no defense, with the holder handing the ball to Vinatieri who waltzed into the end zone. Very, very weird night.
 
2012-09-25 10:24:52 AM  

IAmRight: ***snip***


I get that you are a Seattle homer, but stop, it's pathetic. Tate does not establish control of the ball before or simultaneously with Jennings. Jennings has control first, controls the ball through the process of the catch, and made a legitimate interception. Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'. The call was wrong, your team won. Chalk up the win and be happy your team didn't lose because of the wrong call. Stop trying to argue that the call was right, it wasn't.
 
2012-09-25 10:25:59 AM  
Only non-skins player I follow:

@drewbrees: Ironic that our league punishes those based on conduct detrimental. Whose CONDUCT is DETRIMENTAL now?
 
2012-09-25 10:26:58 AM  

Killer Cars: Honestly, I thought Brandon Browner should've been ejected had the refs actually seen the entirety of his "interaction" with Greg Jennings. A cheap shot light years away from the play, and then when Jennings has the audacity to get up and get in his face, Browner bodyslams him in the endzone.

I only bring it up b/c it was Browner that defended the 2pt conversion which made a difference.


If they don't eject guys for throwing punches, they can't eject Browner. And I've seen punches thrown with nothing. In a real game, though, yeah, he gets ejected (though he probably doesn't do it in a real game).
 
2012-09-25 10:28:16 AM  

Preparing something for this season's SB winner:

*

 
2012-09-25 10:28:51 AM  

roc6783: Stop trying to argue that the call was right, it wasn't.


The call was somewhat arguable. Better than numerous other awful calls that have determined playoff games in the past 15 years.
 
2012-09-25 10:29:30 AM  

roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.


Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.
 
2012-09-25 10:31:47 AM  
www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-09-25 10:32:43 AM  
buylovely.com

Who's in?
 
2012-09-25 10:33:43 AM  

czetie: Anybody else notice how bottom-of-the-barrel the ads on MNF were? Homeopathic skin tag remover, miracle car shine, buy one get one free...

I realize that the goal of ESPN has always been to make MNF almost but not quite unwatchable on the premise that football fans will watch regardless, so the business model is to attract as many "casual" viewers as possible. But I suspect that the combination of ESPN coverage and bad refereeing may actually be hurting them enough that advertisers are starting to notice and are shying away.

Just me?


Considering that I just dropped my cable box and my 2 cablecards off at Comcast yesterday because I can't justify paying for multiple channels of reality-laden trash, guess ESPN doesn't have to worry about losing me as a customer because of the NFL.
 
2012-09-25 10:34:59 AM  

roc6783: Stop trying to argue that the call was right, it wasn't.


I'm saying that it's a toss-up. It's not an egregiously terrible call. What were terrible calls/no-calls (chronological order):

PI on Chancellor
Late hit on Walden
PI on Shields
no PI on Woodson
no PI on Tate

THOSE were blatant terrible calls. The simultaneous possession was a 50-50 ball and a 50-50 call.

Also, Browner probably should've been ejected, the Packers' O-Line should've been called for holding some of the times they tackled the defensive line as part of their "blocking," etc.

But yeah, as I've said, it feels nice to finally be on the good side of a game-altering referee decision.

And the Pack will be fine - they'll be 3-3 in a couple of weeks and back to killing it. The Seahawks needed this one.
 
2012-09-25 10:35:47 AM  

IAmRight: roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.

Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.


Try making that point in cheese land.
 
2012-09-25 10:37:38 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: IAmRight: roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.

Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.

Try making that point in cheese land with any logical football fan.

 
2012-09-25 10:37:40 AM  
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Governor WalkerVerified @GovWalker

After catching a few hours of sleep, the #Packers game is still just as painful. #Returntherealrefs
 
2012-09-25 10:38:15 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: IAmRight: roc6783: Tate comes in after Jennings pulls the ball to his chest and slides his hands around Jennings'.

Tate has a hand on the ball at the exact same time Jennings does. He didn't jump as high, but Jennings got his hands on it at about waist level. Tate had his hands over his head and still had it at the same point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYeeFpPPz0

You can watch it frame-by-frame, Tate has at least a hand on it the entire way, and has both hands on it and as much possession as anyone by the time they've hit the ground.

Try making that point in cheese land.


Or in the land of objective reality.
 
2012-09-25 10:40:33 AM  

Mentat: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Governor WalkerVerified @GovWalker

After catching a few hours of sleep, the #Packers game is still just as painful. #Returntherealrefs


The irony is staggering.
 
2012-09-25 10:41:36 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Try making that point in cheese land.


Hey, I like the Packers against every other team in the league. If that play doesn't happen, I bet no one bothers to point out that the Packers magically went from giving up 8 sacks and multiple offensive line penalties to ZERO offensive line penalties and ZERO sacks in the second half. No one bothers to point out that several times, the Seahawks had a defensive stop negated by a terrible penalty call. They would only have talked about how the Packers roared back to take an important win on the road.

Because it's okay when the Seahawks get f*cked by refs, but it's completely unacceptable when a popular team has a series of bad calls help cost them the game.

Oh, you want extra timeouts? Seahawks had that happen against them with regular refs (Ravens). Oh, you want game-winning TDs that never made it into the end zone? Seahawks had that happen against them with regular refs (Jets, Steelers). Oh, you want a half-dozen 50-50 calls on critical plays that all land against you? Seahawks had that happen against them with regular refs (Super Bowl).
 
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