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(Newsweek)   If he wins reelection, Obama will be the Democrats' Ronald Reagan   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 248
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2012-09-24 04:47:08 PM
if he were white and named jack smith, he'd be the republicans' ronald reagan.
 
2012-09-24 04:49:19 PM
He's going to start breaking the law and then forgetting about it or pretending to not be in the loop about it?
 
2012-09-24 04:53:41 PM
No. He'd be bigger, in terms of history, legacy, impact. He'd be in line with FDR, Teddy, Lincoln, Washington.
 
2012-09-24 04:53:44 PM
He's going to develop rapid onset Alzheimer's?
 
2012-09-24 04:55:15 PM
...just as Reagan indelibly moved the Democrats away from the far left.

I got as far as that before realizing that the author has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
 
2012-09-24 04:55:36 PM
Nah, Clinton was the Democrats' Reagan.
 
2012-09-24 04:58:30 PM

FloydA: ...just as Reagan indelibly moved the Democrats away from the far left.

I got as far as that before realizing that the author has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.


actually, he's correct. the democratic party prior to 1980 was a truly liberal, progressive party (apart from the remnants of dixiecrat south). after reagan, the centrist "third-way" DLC took over the democratic party, which ended up producing bill clinton and eventually barack obama.

i wasn't joking in my Weeners; obama is a center-right pragmatist with great likability and masterful oratory skills. he is the black reagan.
 
2012-09-24 04:59:07 PM
"weeners." lol filtwned.
 
2012-09-24 04:59:46 PM
Reagans economic 'recovery' is nothing compared to what Obama has accomplished. Reagan inherited an economy that was stuck in the mud. Obama inherited an economy that had driven off a cliff.
 
2012-09-24 05:01:10 PM

FlashHarry: FloydA: ...just as Reagan indelibly moved the Democrats away from the far left.

I got as far as that before realizing that the author has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

actually, he's correct. the democratic party prior to 1980 was a truly liberal, progressive party (apart from the remnants of dixiecrat south). after reagan, the centrist "third-way" DLC took over the democratic party, which ended up producing bill clinton and eventually barack obama.


This is very much true. Unfortunately, he also courted social conservatives and set the GOP marching on its long road to self-parody and self-destruction.
 
2012-09-24 05:08:16 PM
Nah. Michelle won't let him eat jelly beans.
 
2012-09-24 05:13:01 PM
I'd rather have him be our Tommy Douglas, Keifer Sutherland's grandfather.

Look him up.
 
2012-09-24 05:17:12 PM
He will be remembered by an offshoot of his party as someone he wasn't?
 
2012-09-24 05:17:21 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nah, Clinton was the Democrats' Reagan.


That's what I was thinking, but the thing is, Democrats don't really lionize or bestow sainthood upon out of office presidents like Republicans tend to do with Reagan.

Maybe that's because former Democratic presidents tend to remain in the public eye and use their notoriety to do good works as opposed to going into hiding like a sniveling coward once they leave office.
 
2012-09-24 05:27:40 PM

violentsalvation: He will be remembered by an offshoot of his party as someone he wasn't?


Yeah, not a fan of this analogy, given that Reagan's history has been utterly distorted.
 
2012-09-24 05:28:30 PM

GAT_00: violentsalvation: He will be remembered by an offshoot of his party as someone he wasn't?

Yeah, not a fan of this analogy, given that Reagan's history has been utterly distorted.


So has Obama's

/daily
 
2012-09-24 05:30:28 PM

Nabb1: Unfortunately, he also courted social conservatives and set the GOP marching on its long road to self-parody and self-destruction.


sadly, this is also true. barry goldwater was right, when he said, "Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
 
2012-09-24 05:30:40 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: GAT_00: violentsalvation: He will be remembered by an offshoot of his party as someone he wasn't?

Yeah, not a fan of this analogy, given that Reagan's history has been utterly distorted.

So has Obama's

/daily


Yeah, but to be Reagan-redux, the Democrats will be the ones making up the stuff.
 
2012-09-24 05:39:22 PM

FlashHarry: Nabb1: Unfortunately, he also courted social conservatives and set the GOP marching on its long road to self-parody and self-destruction.

sadly, this is also true. barry goldwater was right, when he said, "Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."


The man was definitely right on target. Unfortunately, "Goldwater Republicans" are a dying breed, those that haven't started self-identifying as libertarians. I think a lot of people here are too young to remember, but Reagan's presidency was a dramatic shift of our entire political landscape - for both Republicans and Democrats.
 
2012-09-24 05:43:34 PM

Vodka Zombie: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nah, Clinton was the Democrats' Reagan.

That's what I was thinking, but the thing is, Democrats don't really lionize or bestow sainthood upon out of office presidents like Republicans tend to do with Reagan.

Maybe that's because former Democratic presidents tend to remain in the public eye and use their notoriety to do good works as opposed to going into hiding like a sniveling coward once they leave office.


Democrats: We have more Reagans than the Republicans.
 
2012-09-24 05:46:27 PM

Nabb1: The man was definitely right on target. Unfortunately, "Goldwater Republicans" are a dying breed, those that haven't started self-identifying as libertarians. I think a lot of people here are too young to remember, but Reagan's presidency was a dramatic shift of our entire political landscape - for both Republicans and Democrats.


those who fail to learn from history...
 
2012-09-24 05:53:57 PM
If Obama wins, can I be the Republicans' Fernando Lamas?
 
2012-09-24 06:01:52 PM
Except he'll actually be lucid for his second term.
 
2012-09-24 06:06:44 PM

FlashHarry: FloydA: ...just as Reagan indelibly moved the Democrats away from the far left.

I got as far as that before realizing that the author has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

actually, he's correct. the democratic party prior to 1980 was a truly liberal, progressive party (apart from the remnants of dixiecrat south). after reagan, the centrist "third-way" DLC took over the democratic party, which ended up producing bill clinton and eventually barack obama.



I agree with you that Jimmy Carter, Tip O'Neil, Ted Kennedy, Birch Bayh, and their cohort are appropriately labeled "liberal" and "progressive." I cannot, with a straight face, call them "far left," as Sullivan did.

Somebody like Gerry Healy, Myra Tanner Weiss, Jack Barnes, or FSP's Clara Fraser and Gloria Martin I would say are closer to the "far left" in US politics.

The Democrats of the 1970s were certainly more liberal and progressive than the democrats of today, but calling them "far left" is a sign that Sullivan just doesn't understand the political spectrum very well.



i wasn't joking in my Weeners; obama is a center-right pragmatist with great likability and masterful oratory skills. he is the black reagan.

I agree with that point.
 
2012-09-24 06:13:12 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: If Obama wins, can I be the Republicans' Fernando Lamas?


Only if I can be the Republicans' Fernando Pessoa. 'Cause Damn, imagine being able to get away with this look.

i105.photobucket.com 

He's the Portuguese Humpty Hump!
 
2012-09-24 06:29:27 PM
Someone will try to shoot him to impress a woman Sarah Palin?
 
2012-09-24 06:42:13 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: If Obama wins, can I be the Republicans' Fernando Lamas?


I want to be the Green Party's Chuck Norris.
 
2012-09-24 06:45:47 PM
Hide your nuns!
 
2012-09-24 06:52:35 PM
Um, Obama isn't ballooning the deficit nearly as fast as Reagan, has no one in the Executive Branch facing federal prison, doesn't hate gay people, and has signed legislation loosening gun laws, not making them more strict.

He's the opposite of Reagan in most aspects....
 
2012-09-24 07:16:40 PM
Change my mind.

I want to be F. Murray Abraham for the Whigs.
 
2012-09-24 08:33:10 PM

Fark It: Obama isn't ballooning the deficit nearly as fast as Reagan


According to what I saw on TV this evening, he's got us into the worst debt ever in the history of ever.

Personally.

By giving cash to cheaters.
 
2012-09-24 08:47:42 PM
Nah. Reagan's approval rating fell to 35% in his first term. Obama has never been that low.

/mostly agree with Sullivan
 
2012-09-24 08:51:48 PM

FloydA: ...just as Reagan indelibly moved the Democrats away from the far left.

I got as far as that before realizing that the author has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.


It's Andrew Sullivan. He inhabits a world that exists solely inside his own head, for better or worse. Sometimes his columns are on point, and sometime you get the impression that he was masturbating furiously while typing one out.
 
2012-09-24 09:18:59 PM
I kind of feel like he's going to be the new Harry Truman -- attacked left and right while he was President, very unpopular at times, but after he's out of office, everyone realizes just how good he was.
 
2012-09-24 09:31:03 PM
But Obama's potential for Reagan status (maybe minus the airport-naming)

LOL. Can you imagine the "Conservative"/Republican reaction the first time someone tries naming anything after Obama?
 
2012-09-24 09:33:03 PM
No, he won't be. Why we do need to compare him to Reagan? Seems to me he's much more like Eisenhower; very moderate, presided over a relatively calm period coming out of a recession, put in place critical institutions which (will) remain with the country for decades to come.
 
2012-09-24 09:33:08 PM
Obama is going to get Alzheimer's?
 
2012-09-24 09:44:33 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: If Obama wins, can I be the Republicans' Fernando Lamas?


i759.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 09:44:54 PM

TommyymmoT: Obama is going to get Alzheimer's?


No, Obama is going to get Alzheimer's
 
2012-09-24 09:52:12 PM

DamnYankees: No, he won't be. Why we do need to compare him to Reagan? Seems to me he's much more like Eisenhower; very moderate, presided over a relatively calm period coming out of a recession, put in place critical institutions which (will) remain with the country for decades to come.


It's interesting to note that over the last 50 years, almost all of the legislation that drives right-wingers nuts (EPA, ADA, TARP) came from republican administrations - and some banes (*cough*) of liberals - slashes to welfare, glass-steagal repeal, allowing weapons in national parks - are products of democratic administrations.
 
2012-09-24 09:57:49 PM

MisterTweak: slashes to welfare, glass-steagal repeal, allowing weapons in national parks - are products of democratic administrations.


All of those are the product of Republican Congresses and Republican compromises. Glass-Steagal in particular got a lot of bipartisan support, but it was wholly Republican originated. And the EPA, ADA and TARP were all the reverse: proposed on the left with some right support, but bitterly opposed by the deep right.
 
2012-09-24 10:00:06 PM
I Obama wins a free multi-colored dreadlocks makeover and revives the space program by having NASA relaunch the SS Mothership, he could be the next George Clinton.
 
2012-09-24 10:05:17 PM

GAT_00: MisterTweak: slashes to welfare, glass-steagal repeal, allowing weapons in national parks - are products of democratic administrations.

All of those are the product of Republican Congresses and Republican compromises. Glass-Steagal in particular got a lot of bipartisan support, but it was wholly Republican originated. And the EPA, ADA and TARP were all the reverse: proposed on the left with some right support, but bitterly opposed by the deep right.


You're right about all of them, but still, it's almost as if landmark legislation is most likely to succeed when the (percieved) political leadership is of the party which the conventional wisdom expects to oppose it.

I do think Bush deserves some credit for the ADA, though. He could have killed it a dozen times over, and it was probably one of the things that gave him an uphill battle in '92.
 
2012-09-24 10:09:31 PM

MisterTweak: GAT_00: MisterTweak: slashes to welfare, glass-steagal repeal, allowing weapons in national parks - are products of democratic administrations.

All of those are the product of Republican Congresses and Republican compromises. Glass-Steagal in particular got a lot of bipartisan support, but it was wholly Republican originated. And the EPA, ADA and TARP were all the reverse: proposed on the left with some right support, but bitterly opposed by the deep right.

You're right about all of them, but still, it's almost as if landmark legislation is most likely to succeed when the (percieved) political leadership is of the party which the conventional wisdom expects to oppose it.

I do think Bush deserves some credit for the ADA, though. He could have killed it a dozen times over, and it was probably one of the things that gave him an uphill battle in '92.


Eh, Daddy Bush wasn't all that bad really. Probably the best one term President we've had.
 
2012-09-24 10:25:21 PM

GAT_00: Eh, Daddy Bush wasn't all that bad really. Probably the best one term President we've had.


LBJ begs to differ.

though i suppose he was 1.25 terms.
 
2012-09-24 10:27:47 PM

GAT_00: MisterTweak: GAT_00: MisterTweak: slashes to welfare, glass-steagal repeal, allowing weapons in national parks - are products of democratic administrations.

All of those are the product of Republican Congresses and Republican compromises. Glass-Steagal in particular got a lot of bipartisan support, but it was wholly Republican originated. And the EPA, ADA and TARP were all the reverse: proposed on the left with some right support, but bitterly opposed by the deep right.

You're right about all of them, but still, it's almost as if landmark legislation is most likely to succeed when the (percieved) political leadership is of the party which the conventional wisdom expects to oppose it.

I do think Bush deserves some credit for the ADA, though. He could have killed it a dozen times over, and it was probably one of the things that gave him an uphill battle in '92.

Eh, Daddy Bush wasn't all that bad really. Probably the best one term President we've had.


And (personal anecdote is not evidence, of course) he signed NAGPRA, which is a good law, despite the fact that it makes my job more difficult. (As Captain Carrot says, "personal is not the same as important.") Props to Poppy Bush for that one thing.


brap: I Obama wins a free multi-colored dreadlocks makeover and revives the space program by having NASA relaunch the SS Mothership, he could be the next George Clinton.


Glory Hala-stupid! ;-)
 
2012-09-24 10:31:08 PM

FlashHarry: GAT_00: Eh, Daddy Bush wasn't all that bad really. Probably the best one term President we've had.

LBJ begs to differ.

though i suppose he was 1.25 terms.


I don't really consider LBJ a one-term.

FloydA: he signed NAGPRA


Had to Google that.
 
2012-09-24 10:44:06 PM
I thought he was our Jimmy Carter?
 
2012-09-24 10:46:31 PM

FloydA: brap: I Obama wins a free multi-colored dreadlocks makeover and revives the space program by having NASA relaunch the SS Mothership, he could be the next George Clinton.

Glory Hala-stupid! ;-)

 
 
I do some of my best work when I ignore all semblence of grammar and typing skills.  Your profile references Windsor McCay who happens to be one of my gods, so I will try to keep my sobbing quiet and subdued.

 
 
2012-09-24 10:52:36 PM

GAT_00: I don't really consider LBJ a one-term.


he served five years and was only elected once. that's pretty much one term. and he got all his landmark stuff done - civil rights act, medicare - done in one.
 
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