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(New Musical Express)   "I no longer believe that 9/11 was an inside job," says Matt Bellamy of Muse, who apparently was f*cking insane this whole time   (nme.com) divider line 144
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2012-09-24 06:56:13 PM  

fusillade762: Mugato: There were no WMDs.

And yet 63 percent of Republicans still believe that there were.


Of course they did.
 
2012-09-24 06:57:39 PM  

Ricardo Klement: [i56.tinypic.com image 500x621]


img.metro.co.uk

"See? We told you it couldn't have been us."
 
2012-09-24 07:10:21 PM  
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 07:22:26 PM  

MagSeven: Now it seems like he wants to be Freddy Mercury and they have a new dub-step obsession.


Not a damn thing wrong with the first part honestly,Freddy Mercury was dedicated to the music but wtf is that shiat. If I wanna listen to dub step then I'll listen to farking dub step. Stop shoving it into every available genre and stop turning songs that don't ever need to sound like to dub step into dub step.

/Who the fark listens to Tool or Deftones and then goes "It's great but what it needs is most of that shiat drowned out and distorted!"
//At least from what I've seen on youtube.
 
2012-09-24 07:23:18 PM  
Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Regarding The Muse:

I've been listening since Absolution/Time Is Running Out, and I've always made the Radiohead comparison because of the way Bellamy uses his falsetto. He uses a full or mixed voice during the verses and switches to falsetto during the choruses, much like Yorke used to do (Creep, Fake Plastic Trees, High and Dry). On that album, I used to think of them as a cross between The Radiohead and The Jane's Addiction, mostly because of the hard rock, yet mainstream sounding guitar riffs. Is there another album where they sound like The The Smashing Pumpkins?
 
2012-09-24 07:24:18 PM  

BronyMedic: You're right. One of the most incompetent administrations in the history of the United States had the cunning knowledge of the exact time, date, and method that a foreign national group would use to murder tens of thousands of United States civilians, and purposefully did nothing to increase their profit margins. And they did so without any one person having any evidence or knowledge of this, and ignoring the common tenants of human decency and the perchance of ANY large conspiracy of this size to be blown out to the media by those who exhibit it..


Dipshiat doesn't read very well. But then I insulted your hero.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 07:28:08 PM  

A Terrible Human: MagSeven: Now it seems like he wants to be Freddy Mercury and they have a new dub-step obsession.

Not a damn thing wrong with the first part honestly,Freddy Mercury was dedicated to the music but wtf is that shiat. If I wanna listen to dub step then I'll listen to farking dub step. Stop shoving it into every available genre and stop turning songs that don't ever need to sound like to dub step into dub step.

/Who the fark listens to Tool or Deftones and then goes "It's great but what it needs is most of that shiat drowned out and distorted!"
//At least from what I've seen on youtube.


I hear you, but from what I've heard it isn't so bad. At least they wrote the songs the way they are, as opposed to other rock bands who throw in some electronic breaks or nuances as an afterthought because it's the latest thing. That's always bugged me a lot more.

BTW, Deftones has a new single streaming around the internets.
 
2012-09-24 07:39:18 PM  
I thought they meant Throwing Muses.
 
2012-09-24 07:42:39 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Dipshiat doesn't read very well. But then I insulted your hero.


Ha.

HAHAH.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.


You're even more worthy of the idiot/911 truther tag you've earned in my fark notes now.

Bush apologist. Bwahahaha. That was funny.

You made my day, BPIPAS. Made my day.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-24 07:43:28 PM  

NorCalLos: At least they wrote the songs the way they are, as opposed to other rock bands who throw in some electronic breaks or nuances as an afterthought because it's the latest thing. That's always bugged me a lot more.

BTW, Deftones has a new single streaming around the internets.


That's probably more how I should've worded it and the reason it bugs you is because you know damn well that isn't the type of music they made before dub step got popular. I don't hate dub step,I like dub step,except skrillex and his horrible voice can go fark off.

As for Leathers? I've heard and it sounds decent. Can't wait for the music coming at the end of this year/early next.
 
2012-09-24 07:45:02 PM  
Can someone explain to me why Muse fans are completely insane? I know an insane Muse fan who is Facebook friends with all kinds of other insane Muse fans, and they all put "Bellamy" or "Muser" in their user names and talk about Matt Bellamy like they know him personally and is the second coming of Christ or something. They seem completely detached from reality. Is this just what kids do these days? They seem to be really big in Indonesia.
 
2012-09-24 07:49:06 PM  
Great, now maybe England can focus on the real hard-hitting question of how the hell do you produce Paul McCartney and John Entwhistle and then there isn't a single damn melodic bassist on the whole island forever after. Seriously, someone tell them thumping out root notes on a bass isn't like swallows not returning to Gibraltar or the bats in the Tower of London.
 
2012-09-24 07:54:56 PM  

A Terrible Human: Mugato: Wow, look how aloof and disinterested they are. I don't know who they are but they have to be the coolest guys ever.

[static.nme.com image 300x184]

The fark happened to Matt Bellamy? He looks like a tweaker. I mean the motherfarker looked half dead before but that hair doesn't help any.

/That sucky album and pussy vampire endorsement deal was the last I payed attention to them.


Pussy-vampires? Is that hot or painful?
 
2012-09-24 08:04:19 PM  
Just like before, I don't give a sh*t.
 
2012-09-24 08:07:03 PM  
www.amsterdamtrader.com

(1) There is no evidence of any 9/11 conspiracy involving the U.S. government.
(2) Virtually all of the inarticulate hunches and pseudoscience advanced by 9/11 "truthers" has been refuted by real science. At least all those claims that aren't too far-fetched to be tested.
(3) 9/11 "truthers" want you to believe that the government was competent enough to pull off a conspiracy that had to have involved thousands of people employed over the course of several months (if not years), somehow manage to keep all of those people quiet, and yet this same government wasn't competent enough to prevent some guy living in his mom's basement from making a crappy YouTube video exposing this vast conspiracy. Can't have it both ways.
(4) Similar to the JFK conspiracy theorists, most of these "truthers" are sincere and patriotic people who think they've uncovered some great wrong committed against their country and are determined to advance their version of the truth. Ironically, in doing so they point the finger away from the real perpetrator (Bin Laden and, in the case of JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald) and blame
 
2012-09-24 08:17:31 PM  

Mugato: LesserEvil: Bush didn't want war with Iraq before 9/11.

I'm not sure I believe that. Cheney had a vested financial interest in destroying Iraq, Bush had a personal interest in Iraq that could have had daddy issues behind it. I watched all this live on TV like everyone else. There were no WMDs. But Bush told Saddam make with the WMDs or we're going in and he went in. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but most of the hijackers were Saudi And Bush made out with the Saudi leader. Then Bush said he didn't care about bin Laden.


At the risk of coming off as an iPhone truther:

New Documents Show Bush Administration Planned War in Iraq Well Before 9/11/2001

Not to mention the oft mentioned Project for a New American Century which wanted us to conquer pretty much all of the Middle East and was made up of half of the Bush Administration's top officials. They wanted regime change from day one and I doubt any of them envisioned an Arab Spring toppling of Saddam.
 
2012-09-24 08:17:39 PM  

BronyMedic: Because People in power are Stupid: Dipshiat doesn't read very well. But then I insulted your hero.

Ha.

HAHAH.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

You're even more worthy of the idiot/911 truther tag you've earned in my fark notes now.

Bush apologist. Bwahahaha. That was funny.

You made my day, BPIPAS. Made my day.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x311]


Insulted by a Furry with a pony fetish. Like that's an insult.

Since we're trading the same shiat:

911 truther. Bwahahaha. That was funny.

You must read at a 4th grade level. But then again you're from the south and probably inbred.
 
2012-09-24 08:17:58 PM  

ottosmom: Can someone explain to me why Muse fans are completely insane? I know an insane Muse fan who is Facebook friends with all kinds of other insane Muse fans, and they all put "Bellamy" or "Muser" in their user names and talk about Matt Bellamy like they know him personally and is the second coming of Christ or something. They seem completely detached from reality. Is this just what kids do these days? They seem to be really big in Indonesia.


Well, there are a few completely detached people like that out there, sure. Let me tell you about a specific bunch... BTW you look like Gloria Slade. Have you and your husband ever tried to sell power tools to your neighbor, over the fence?
 
2012-09-24 08:20:20 PM  
I think the crowd got bored
 
2012-09-24 08:20:32 PM  

MagSeven: One needs only listen to the leak of his latest album to grasp a sense of this man's insanity.


This. His insanity has moved from 9/11 conspiracies (and he is a big conspiracy theory guy) to putting out crap in the last album and this one (at least based on what's been heard so far). And I'm a Muse fan saying this.

/seriously, never seen a single split a fan base like Madness has
//it's either love or hate and nothing in between
///I hate it
 
2012-09-24 08:21:11 PM  

velvet_fog: (3) 9/11 "truthers" want you to believe that the government was competent enough to pull off a conspiracy that had to have involved thousands of people employed over the course of several months (if not years), somehow manage to keep all of those people quiet, and yet this same government wasn't competent enough to prevent some guy living in his mom's basement from making a crappy YouTube video exposing this vast conspiracy. Can't have it both ways.


^ This also applies to many other alleged government conspiracies.
 
2012-09-24 08:24:48 PM  

ottosmom: Can someone explain to me why Muse fans are completely insane? I know an insane Muse fan who is Facebook friends with all kinds of other insane Muse fans, and they all put "Bellamy" or "Muser" in their user names and talk about Matt Bellamy like they know him personally and is the second coming of Christ or something. They seem completely detached from reality. Is this just what kids do these days? They seem to be really big in Indonesia.


Don't ask me to explain it. All I know is that I'm not one of them and I'd like to keep it that way.
 
2012-09-24 08:25:58 PM  
So, the truth is that a bunch of Muslim extremists holed up in some caves in Afghanistan back in the day managed to hoodwink the entire US security apparatus, have four airplanes hijacked with box cutters and have them piloted into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon?

Alrighty, then.
 
2012-09-24 08:28:08 PM  
Oh dear....
 
2012-09-24 08:28:22 PM  

velvet_fog: [www.amsterdamtrader.com image 300x391]

(1) There is no evidence of any 9/11 conspiracy involving the U.S. government.
(2) Virtually all of the inarticulate hunches and pseudoscience advanced by 9/11 "truthers" has been refuted by real science. At least all those claims that aren't too far-fetched to be tested.
(3) 9/11 "truthers" want you to believe that the government was competent enough to pull off a conspiracy that had to have involved thousands of people employed over the course of several months (if not years), somehow manage to keep all of those people quiet, and yet this same government wasn't competent enough to prevent some guy living in his mom's basement from making a crappy YouTube video exposing this vast conspiracy. Can't have it both ways.
(4) Similar to the JFK conspiracy theorists, most of these "truthers" are sincere and patriotic people who think they've uncovered some great wrong committed against their country and are determined to advance their version of the truth. Ironically, in doing so they point the finger away from the real perpetrator (Bin Laden and, in the case of JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald) and blame


9/11 truthers are a government conspiracy launched to deflect any reasonable criticism of the governments actions relating to not detecting, or their reactions to the attack, by derailing any conversation about the topic into obvious nonsense only nutcases and paid shills will agree with, thus drowning out any real wrongdoing.

/that should mess with their heads
 
2012-09-24 08:29:44 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: [i18.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Thank you. I was hoping to see this again.
 
2012-09-24 08:31:01 PM  

BronyMedic: iPhone? fark you, autocorrect. 9/11 truthers.


You typed that out on an iPhone?

You're braver than I thought.
 
2012-09-24 08:31:39 PM  
www.comediansandspeakers.com 

The Mossad and the lizard people are behind the whole thing. 
 
2012-09-24 08:37:22 PM  

ottosmom: Can someone explain to me why Muse fans are completely insane? I know an insane Muse fan who is Facebook friends with all kinds of other insane Muse fans, and they all put "Bellamy" or "Muser" in their user names and talk about Matt Bellamy like they know him personally and is the second coming of Christ or something. They seem completely detached from reality. Is this just what kids do these days? They seem to be really big in Indonesia.


He plays a variety of instruments pretty decently, can jump around like a maniac and not screw up what he is playing on the guitar while doing so, has pretty decent range as a singer, wears his Queen influences on his sleeve and most importantly, the band really cherishes their audience and puts on an outstanding live show. I'm not a big fan, but I get it. There aren't too many bands actually writing and performing their own music these days, that play instruments, tour a lot and have hit it big.

I don't understand why anyone would call him or her self a Muser or put Bellamy, but I can understand being a fan.

Beats being a Belieber or a 1Directioner I suppose.
 
2012-09-24 08:44:01 PM  

NorCalLos: Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Yes, a third tower did fall down that day, it was WTC Building #7. The official reason for it coming down is debris from the other towers taking a big chunk out of it, and fires.
 
2012-09-24 08:57:47 PM  
Back and to the left, back and to the left ...
 
2012-09-24 08:59:45 PM  
Ah, this crap again. If you believe one of the most incompetent administrations in recent memory pulled off one of the largest conspiracies in reason memory without getting caught, you are a weapons grade idiot.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:42 PM  
I've seen Muse live at least three times--though all three times I was there to see someone else--and I can vouch for them putting on an awesome show.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:47 PM  

dehehn: NorCalLos: Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Yes, a third tower did fall down that day, it was WTC Building #7. The official reason for it coming down is debris from the other towers taking a big chunk out of it, and fires.


The troofers maintain that 8 hours of uncontrolled burning in WTC7 was not enough to bring it down. It was hit with debris early in the morning which damaged the sprinkler system and caught upper floors on fire, then the fires burned throughout most of the day on upper floors the FDNY couldn't get to. The fire department evacuated around 3pm, and at 5:30 the building came down. Since the building housed a great deal of confidential government and banking information, it's a favorite plot point of troofers to claim it was purposely demolished to get people off the hook for criminal activity.
 
2012-09-24 09:18:01 PM  
Thanks, both of you regarding the other building.
 
2012-09-24 09:20:32 PM  

BronyMedic: Nem Wan: If it had been an inside job they would have simply made it look like Iraq did it instead of building a goofy justification that somehow the zeitgeist of the post-9/11 word made it essential to invade Iraq when it wasn't so in the pre-9/11 world. Iraq's WMD weren't real either.

Sadaam Hussein didn't help with that. He was what we, on the internet, would consider an Epic troll. He was so good, that when the time came to prove he was complying with the world demands, and bluffing, that no one really believed him when he came out and said it.

He's dead proof that being an Epic IRL Troll has deadly consequences.


True. Sadaam had each of his armies thinking the other had WMD. But Bush rushed his intelligence after 911. A report that takes months or years was demanded in a few weeks. Big surprise when it wasn't accurate
 
2012-09-24 09:36:25 PM  
Saw Muse on their last tour a couple of years ago. Was the best damn rock show I'd seen in a long, long time.
 
2012-09-24 09:45:12 PM  
I mentioned the phrase Occam's Razor to a 9/11 truther recently and they asked me what "Occam's Razor" was.
 
2012-09-24 09:45:31 PM  
Maybe insane, but they can craft an unofficial James Bond title song like nobody's business!
 
2012-09-24 09:53:20 PM  
This thread is schizophrenic a all hell.
 
2012-09-24 10:06:50 PM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: So, the truth is that a bunch of Muslim extremists holed up in some caves in Afghanistan back in the day managed to hoodwink the entire US security apparatus, have four airplanes hijacked with box cutters and have them piloted into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon?

Alrighty, then.


I think that you meant to say that a bunch of Muslim extremists with university level educations in engineering, commercial pilots licenses and access to millions of dollars found a hole in the US security apparatus in the form of lax security measures and standards in US airports and then killed the pilots with (then allowed, see lax security standards above) razor sharp knives less than 4 inches long (most likely by cutting their throats as they were strapped into their seats) and cowed the passengers with threats of more murders if they interfered, then they used the planes to destroy the towers that they had already vowed to take down since at least 1993. They also exploited a weakness in the US air defense network by bypassing the part where attacks by air have to get here over vast distances over water or ice first and just started off behind that line of defense instead.
 
2012-09-24 10:13:27 PM  

Need_MindBleach: I mentioned the phrase Occam's Razor to a 9/11 truther recently and they asked me what "Occam's Razor" was.


You met a rare one. Most of them use it to bolster their arguments. Selectively, of course.
 
2012-09-24 10:18:49 PM  

Lsherm: dehehn: NorCalLos: Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Yes, a third tower did fall down that day, it was WTC Building #7. The official reason for it coming down is debris from the other towers taking a big chunk out of it, and fires.

The troofers maintain that 8 hours of uncontrolled burning in WTC7 was not enough to bring it down. It was hit with debris early in the morning which damaged the sprinkler system and caught upper floors on fire, then the fires burned throughout most of the day on upper floors the FDNY couldn't get to. The fire department evacuated around 3pm, and at 5:30 the building came down. Since the building housed a great deal of confidential government and banking information, it's a favorite plot point of troofers to claim it was purposely demolished to get people off the hook for criminal activity.


That, and from what I've heard the emergency generator's fuel pumping system was designed in sort of the stupidest way imaginable(hardened, activated automatically, couldn't be shut down and kept from pumping fuel all over the building or something). But that's just what I read when I was younger.

It's obvious that some sort of conspiracy was behind it and that everyone who was in on it on an operational level is now dead. Maybe it was the Arabs, maybe not. We'll never know, all the loose ends were tied up very thoroughly.
 
2012-09-24 10:26:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Insulted by a Furry with a pony fetish. Like that's an insult.


I may be a furry who likes cartoon ponies, but at least I don't hold the belief that the most incompetent administration since Woodrow Wilson deliberately created the conditions for 9/11 to occur in order to exploit the Nationalistic anger of the American people to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. At least I have standards, as well, and don't show my fetishes into your face. Unlike you, who seems to masturbate at the thought of Bush being a criminal mastermind the likes of Lex Luthor. Look. We get it. Bush was more than a failure as a president. He was the most evil since Hitler.

Because People in power are Stupid: 911 truther. Bwahahaha. That was funny.


Let's see here. If it quacks like a duck...

Because People in power are Stupid: You must read at a 4th grade level. But then again you're from the south and probably inbred.


Oh, I'm sorry. You never posted a 9/11 truther theory. You never wrote:

Because People in power are Stupid: Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton. But no, there's no conspiracy.


It's not like you are describing the "Let it happen on purpose" conspiracy theory of the 9/11 attacks, and then trying to claim you did not when called on it. I mean, why would you take a debated topic among the 9/11 truther movement, claim to believe it, and then try to run away and claim other people are trying to put words in your mouth, and "just can't read the same level as you" when you post and promote the stupidity that is 9/11 Conspiracy Theorism?

It's not like the conspiracy theory of promoting the conditions which allowed the 9/11 attacks, which were supposedly done intentionally by the Bush Administration, are in your words a way to justify a war to line the pockets of companies supporting the Bush Administration.

But yeah. You're right. You're totally not promoting common motives and reasons for the 9/11 Attacks in Conspiracy Theory.

So only two possibilities, in this case, exist. You are either:

1) A troll.
2) An embarassed 9/11 Truther who doesn't really believe his own tripe.


Either way, you're worthy of being ignored, now that I've shown why you're full of shiat.

images.cheezburger.com
 
2012-09-24 10:32:57 PM  
Really? You mean that people who make their living trying to guess what pre-teens and teenagers will find entertaining in their spare time tend to have a poor grasp of adult things like history, politics, and basic logic and education?

You don't say.
 
2012-09-24 10:42:08 PM  

threadjackistan: That, and from what I've heard the emergency generator's fuel pumping system was designed in sort of the stupidest way imaginable(hardened, activated automatically, couldn't be shut down and kept from pumping fuel all over the building or something). But that's just what I read when I was younger.


All of that is incorrect - the large diesel fuel tanks above ground on floors 8-9 were accounted for after the collapse (still full), and the fuel stored underground to supply generators on floors 5 and 6 couldn't provide enough energy to weaken the support beams on those floors, primarily because the generator fuel line wasn't big enough to generate a fire, even after 6 hours, to cause failure of the support that collapsed. Here's the official NIST techinical report, start on page 48. It's a Powerpoint slide show with pictures, so it's easy to get through.

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/upload/WTC7TechnicalBrief in g_082608-WEBCAST.pdf

For fun, if you keep going, they actually address the "controlled demo" question with modeling and destroy the argument with something as simple as broken windows and sound.
 
2012-09-24 10:42:59 PM  
Dude, does Matt Bellamy believe in jesus, does he shave his pubes, does he play with dolls in the dark when it rains. I wanna know, fark, tell me, tell me, tell me.
 
2012-09-24 10:45:22 PM  
I like how everyone says the government is too incompetent to pull something off like 9/11 but believe that they solved the whole thing in time for the evening news. They found the hijacker's perfectly singed passports that day. They'd announced the motive, the means, the perpetrators and the reasons the buildings failed in 12 hours. It was amazing to see.

But if you ask questions as to why the people were told that this asbestos laden building's dust was safe to breathe by the EPA, or why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out of the buildings the month before, and if you think it's a weird coincidence that Marvin Bush's company ran security for Dulles Airport, The WTC and United Airlines than you're crazy. It's absolutely insane to want the government to spend more money investigating 9/11 than Clinton's blowjob.
 
2012-09-24 10:53:17 PM  

schubie: I like how everyone says the government is too incompetent to pull something off like 9/11 but believe that they solved the whole thing in time for the evening news. They found the hijacker's perfectly singed passports that day. They'd announced the motive, the means, the perpetrators and the reasons the buildings failed in 12 hours. It was amazing to see.

But if you ask questions as to why the people were told that this asbestos laden building's dust was safe to breathe by the EPA, or why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out of the buildings the month before, and if you think it's a weird coincidence that Marvin Bush's company ran security for Dulles Airport, The WTC and United Airlines than you're crazy. It's absolutely insane to want the government to spend more money investigating 9/11 than Clinton's blowjob.


I don't like the way you used than, it should be then.
 
2012-09-24 10:57:55 PM  

threadjackistan: That, and from what I've heard the emergency generator's fuel pumping system was designed in sort of the stupidest way imaginable(hardened, activated automatically, couldn't be shut down and kept from pumping fuel all over the building or something). But that's just what I read when I was younger.


The diesel fuel theory was proven to not be the cause although it was considered a likely cause at the start of the investigation and was looked at very closely.

It's obvious that some sort of conspiracy was behind it and that everyone who was in on it on an operational level is now dead. Maybe it was the Arabs, maybe not. We'll never know, all the loose ends were tied up very thoroughly.

Yes it is quite obvious that a conspiracy was involved, it's just not the one that the truthers think that it is. Nineteen terrorists hijacked and crashed four planes and killed themselves in the process (operational level right?), the leader of the organization that funded the attack was killed a bit over a year ago (it was all over the news, perhaps you've heard about it?) and the only person left alive (that we know of) that had in depth involvement in the attacks is currently rotting in a tiny cell in Guantanamo Bay awaiting trial along with four of his buddies who helped him train the terrorists. There is that other fellow who couldn't make it to the party (the twentieth hijacker, remember him?) but went on trial anyway. He is also rotting in a cell although it's on US soil so at least he has cable TV.
 
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