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(New Musical Express)   "I no longer believe that 9/11 was an inside job," says Matt Bellamy of Muse, who apparently was f*cking insane this whole time   (nme.com) divider line 144
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2012-09-24 04:05:25 PM  
His music is still shiatty.
 
2012-09-24 04:09:06 PM  
Wow, look how aloof and disinterested they are. I don't know who they are but they have to be the coolest guys ever.

static.nme.com
 
2012-09-24 04:15:48 PM  
'I think my political views are a bit more nuanced now,' says frontman

"Nuanced" is British for "intelligent."
 
2012-09-24 04:16:44 PM  
Who?
 
2012-09-24 04:20:51 PM  

make me some tea: Who?


He's the guy farking Kate Hudson and being a farking rock star while being very short and very ugly.

I like the "Absolution" record and a track here and there and that's about it. But I did see them live on Palladia the other day and they put on a hell of a show.

(For a band that started off mimicking Smashing Pumpkins before moving to mimicking Radiohead.)
 
2012-09-24 04:23:32 PM  
He's just trying to exorcise the demons from his past
 
2012-09-24 04:49:54 PM  
img.photobucket.com

Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton.

But no, there's no conspiracy.
 
2012-09-24 05:22:43 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [img.photobucket.com image 735x430]

Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton.

But no, there's no conspiracy.


You're right. One of the most incompetent administrations in the history of the United States had the cunning knowledge of the exact time, date, and method that a foreign national group would use to murder tens of thousands of United States civilians, and purposefully did nothing to increase their profit margins. And they did so without any one person having any evidence or knowledge of this, and ignoring the common tenants of human decency and the perchance of ANY large conspiracy of this size to be blown out to the media by those who exhibit it..

www.hoax-slayer.com
 
2012-09-24 05:29:27 PM  

BronyMedic: Because People in power are Stupid: [img.photobucket.com image 735x430]

Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton.

But no, there's no conspiracy.

You're right. One of the most incompetent administrations in the history of the United States had the cunning knowledge of the exact time, date, and method that a foreign national group would use to murder tens of thousands of United States civilians, and purposefully did nothing to increase their profit margins. And they did so without any one person having any evidence or knowledge of this, and ignoring the common tenants of human decency and the perchance of ANY large conspiracy of this size to be blown out to the media by those who exhibit it..

[www.hoax-slayer.com image 500x357]


nice try libs the government never lies, unless there's a dirty lib in charge
 
2012-09-24 05:30:32 PM  

BronyMedic: You're right. One of the most incompetent administrations in the history of the United States had the cunning knowledge of the exact time, date, and method that a foreign national group would use to murder tens of thousands of United States civilians, and purposefully did nothing to increase their profit margins. And they did so without any one person having any evidence or knowledge of this, and ignoring the common tenants of human decency and the perchance of ANY large conspiracy of this size to be blown out to the media by those who exhibit it..


Yeah, I don't believe any of that either. They did however exploit 9/11 after the fact in every way they could. The Dick Cheney/Haliburton thing is too ridiculous to be a coincidence. I think they had a hard on for Iraq from the beginning and they saw 9/11 as an excuse and they took it.

But no, 9/11 itself was not planned by the US.
 
2012-09-24 05:31:04 PM  
One needs only listen to the leak of his latest album to grasp a sense of this man's insanity.
 
2012-09-24 05:31:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: He's just trying to exorcise the demons from his past


He finally stopped to ask himself 'is this real or is this just madness?'
 
2012-09-24 05:33:48 PM  

falcon176: nice try libs the government never lies, unless there's a dirty lib in charge


Yes, yes. It was just the Government. The "liberal" government that was the Bush Administration. (Okay. Admit it. You're just trolling with this, right?)

It wasn't the work of thousands of scientists and experts in the field of Physics, Geology, Metallurgy, Computer Simulation and Modeling, Engineering, and Forensics which backed up the Government Statement. It wasn't the work of dozens of both Government, and extra-governmental organizations.

And they were all in on the perfect conspiracy of which there is no evidence of.

Besides. You idiots have all been duped. It was Cthulu that actually attacked the twin towers. The Secret Societies know the real truth!

videogamewriters.com
 
2012-09-24 05:34:21 PM  
Uh, it's The Muse, subtard.
 
2012-09-24 05:36:20 PM  

Mugato: Yeah, I don't believe any of that either. They did however exploit 9/11 after the fact in every way they could. The Dick Cheney/Haliburton thing is too ridiculous to be a coincidence. I think they had a hard on for Iraq from the beginning and they saw 9/11 as an excuse and they took it.

But no, 9/11 itself was not planned by the US.


And, I can see this. This is a legitimate theory, in my mind. 9/11 coincidentally made it far easier for them to push war on an angry population, the majority of which was whipped up in the bandwagon frenzy of killing brown people. (Too bad it was the Saudis they should have been mad with.)

But these threads make me sad. Because I see FARKers, which normally are sane, go full derp and out themselves as iPhone truthers.
 
2012-09-24 05:36:56 PM  
iPhone? fark you, autocorrect. 9/11 truthers.
 
2012-09-24 05:42:21 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [img.photobucket.com image 735x430]

Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton.

But no, there's no conspiracy.


To paraphrase, never attribute to conspiracy that which is explainable by stupidity.
 
2012-09-24 05:46:39 PM  
Bush and Cheney and Co. wanted Al Qaeda to do something to push their agenda, both foreign (invade Iraq at all costs) and domestic (prop up a feeble administration distrusted by many after the election fiasco), but thought it would be a tarmac hostage situation or something like that. They didn't expect the brass balls of what the hijackers did (or willfully didn't allow themselves to forsee it).

So no, it wasn't an 'inside job'. It was a wilfully negligent job. And they exploited the hell out of it.
 
2012-09-24 05:47:19 PM  

BronyMedic: And, I can see this. This is a legitimate theory, in my mind. 9/11 coincidentally made it far easier for them to push war on an angry population, the majority of which was whipped up in the bandwagon frenzy of killing brown people. (Too bad it was the Saudis they should have been mad with.)

But these threads make me sad. Because I see FARKers, which normally are sane, go full derp and out themselves as iPhone truthers.


Well the way I see it, these Truthers put way too much faith in their government's ability to pull off something like this. Clinton couldn't get a beej from the chubby intern down the hall without getting busted. Nixon couldn't pull off a simple burglary. The various Kennedy's couldn't disappear a few women properly. These people might aspire to be comic book villains but they don't have the skills. shiat, they couldn't even plant WMDs in Iraq.

And they didn't need to. They didn't need something as huge as 9/11 to make the people support a war in Iraq. 9/11 didn't even have anything to do with Iraq but people were like, fark it. They sure as hell didn't need to nuke the entire WTC and part of the Pentagon and whatever that other plane was up to.

So the government isn't capable of pulling something like this off and call me naive but even someone like Dick Cheney can't be that much of a sociopath.
 
2012-09-24 05:49:27 PM  

BronyMedic: But these threads make me sad. Because I see FARKers, which normally are sane, go full derp and out themselves as iPhone truthers.


BronyMedic: iPhone? fark you, autocorrect. 9/11 truthers.



9/11 autocorrects as iPhone, and yet you still don't see the conspiracy?
 
2012-09-24 05:51:32 PM  

BronyMedic: falcon176: nice try libs the government never lies, unless there's a dirty lib in charge

Yes, yes. It was just the Government. The "liberal" government that was the Bush Administration. (Okay. Admit it. You're just trolling with this, right?)

It wasn't the work of thousands of scientists and experts in the field of Physics, Geology, Metallurgy, Computer Simulation and Modeling, Engineering, and Forensics which backed up the Government Statement. It wasn't the work of dozens of both Government, and extra-governmental organizations.

And they were all in on the perfect conspiracy of which there is no evidence of.

Besides. You idiots have all been duped. It was Cthulu that actually attacked the twin towers. The Secret Societies know the real truth!

[videogamewriters.com image 807x533]


what makes you think I'm trolling? The government never lies, unless there's a lib in charge. What are you a lib? Vote Romney
 
2012-09-24 05:51:39 PM  

Mugato: Wow, look how aloof and disinterested they are. I don't know who they are but they have to be the coolest guys ever.

static.nme.com


i25.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 05:55:41 PM  
I call dibs on iPhone Truthers as my new band name.
 
2012-09-24 05:57:50 PM  
Insane? I thought he was Thom Yorke after a stroke.
 
2012-09-24 05:57:50 PM  

Badgers: Mugato: Wow, look how aloof and disinterested they are. I don't know who they are but they have to be the coolest guys ever.

[static.nme.com image 300x184]

[i25.photobucket.com image 300x300]


Heh, I almost posted that but I was too lazy.
 
2012-09-24 05:59:44 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I call dibs on iPhone Truthers as my new band name.


I'm pretty sure a name like that will get your band bent over like Samsung.
 
2012-09-24 06:04:35 PM  

BronyMedic: ...a foreign national group would use to murder tens of thousands of United States civilians,...


Did I miss something?
 
2012-09-24 06:08:09 PM  

Mugato: BronyMedic: And, I can see this. This is a legitimate theory, in my mind. 9/11 coincidentally made it far easier for them to push war on an angry population, the majority of which was whipped up in the bandwagon frenzy of killing brown people. (Too bad it was the Saudis they should have been mad with.)

But these threads make me sad. Because I see FARKers, which normally are sane, go full derp and out themselves as iPhone truthers.

Well the way I see it, these Truthers put way too much faith in their government's ability to pull off something like this. Clinton couldn't get a beej from the chubby intern down the hall without getting busted. Nixon couldn't pull off a simple burglary. The various Kennedy's couldn't disappear a few women properly. These people might aspire to be comic book villains but they don't have the skills. shiat, they couldn't even plant WMDs in Iraq.

And they didn't need to. They didn't need something as huge as 9/11 to make the people support a war in Iraq. 9/11 didn't even have anything to do with Iraq but people were like, fark it. They sure as hell didn't need to nuke the entire WTC and part of the Pentagon and whatever that other plane was up to.

So the government isn't capable of pulling something like this off and call me naive but even someone like Dick Cheney can't be that much of a sociopath.


OK, what did you do with the real Mugato?


Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Bush and Cheney and Co. wanted Al Qaeda to do something to push their agenda, both foreign (invade Iraq at all costs) and domestic (prop up a feeble administration distrusted by many after the election fiasco), but thought it would be a tarmac hostage situation or something like that. They didn't expect the brass balls of what the hijackers did (or willfully didn't allow themselves to forsee it).

So no, it wasn't an 'inside job'. It was a wilfully negligent job. And they exploited the hell out of it.


6/10 - decent attempt to be more subtle with the conspiracy angle, but ultimately flawed.

Bush didn't want war with Iraq before 9/11.

His administration is guilty of railroading us down that path after 9/11, but there was (and still is) some compelling evidence of Saddam's involvement, mostly through the Kuwaitis who were involved in the hijackings that day. There was some coincidental evidence, as well, mostly with the timing of operatives from both Al Qaida and Iraq being in the same places at the same time.

For whatever reason, there seems to be some bizarre malady that affects people, left or right, who end up in Washington - a malady that pushes them into single-mindedness and a particular inability to change course once set upon. I would say that the divisive tone the Democrats set on losing the 2000 election in the manner they did, forced partisanship - and when it came to 9/11, it was either go guns blazing, or appear indecisive to the public.

There was no conspiracy. Yes, Bush had memos saying what Osama Bin Laden had been saying for over a decade, without any detail that would have been helpful in providing a practical countermeasure to what happened on 9/11. WTF, even in hindsight, was Bush supposed to do with THAT information? This isn't Madagascar.... he couldn't "shut it all down!" - nor could he magically revamp the security in our nations airports overnight (and after 11 years, they only continue to make things worse).

Give it a rest people.
 
2012-09-24 06:08:46 PM  

sprawl15: Uh, it's The Muse, subtard.


I've spent the last 8 years of my career in rock radio, and I've never heard or seen this band referred to as THE Muse.

Unless your comment is a troll/inside joke. In that case, I'm so very sorry. Please carry on.
 
2012-09-24 06:10:02 PM  

LesserEvil: OK, what did you do with the real Mugato?


Why, what'd I say?
 
2012-09-24 06:12:27 PM  

BronyMedic: Mugato: Yeah, I don't believe any of that either. They did however exploit 9/11 after the fact in every way they could. The Dick Cheney/Haliburton thing is too ridiculous to be a coincidence. I think they had a hard on for Iraq from the beginning and they saw 9/11 as an excuse and they took it.

But no, 9/11 itself was not planned by the US.

And, I can see this. This is a legitimate theory, in my mind. 9/11 coincidentally made it far easier for them to push war on an angry population, the majority of which was whipped up in the bandwagon frenzy of killing brown people. (Too bad it was the Saudis they should have been mad with.)

But these threads make me sad. Because I see FARKers, which normally are sane, go full derp and out themselves as iPhone truthers.


i won't argue with the Bush Administration whipping up a frenzy to gain support for ground wars in the middle east, that part is obvious

not sure what targeting Saudi Arabia would've done to have any meaningful impact on the support structure that made that attack (and the other hundreds of attacks globally before/since) possible? the reality is painfully obvious that the Bush administration opted to simply annihilate the most convenient enemies of the region and avoid shiatting up stable regimes/dictatorships or friends of Russia/China... with the added ideal that bringing economic stability to the primary source of wealth in the region - oil - would bring about some kind of prosperous new-age to the middle east and the source of unrest in the region would quell

there was one major problem that plagued the Bush administration before 9/11 even happened that set the whole thing in motion and doomed our Weeners - the administration's predictable approach to everything (how it handled the unpredictable dangers of a domestic attack by Osama Bin Laden, to ground wars in the middle east, to nation-building and american-style democracy in ethnically unstable regions, etc.) and the brute-force nature of how it handled problems (miscues in afghanistan? drum up war 24/7/365 for a war in Iraq, wholesale economic endangerment by the federal reserve, political suicide at every turn for short term gains, etc.)

they were effective at responding to crisis, whether that response was right or wrong always seemed like an afterthought
 
2012-09-24 06:12:52 PM  

Mugato: LesserEvil: OK, what did you do with the real Mugato?

Why, what'd I say?


Just appreciated the reasoned response, is all. ;)
 
2012-09-24 06:13:23 PM  
Maybe discovering Glenn Beck was a fan pushed him over the edge?


AdolfOliverPanties: (For a band that started off mimicking Smashing Pumpkins before moving to mimicking Radiohead.)


They have a couple of songs that I like (Supermassive Black Hole, for one). Gotta agree with you on the Radiohead thing, though. I was 100% sure when I heard their new song that it was Radiohead. I guess they could have picked a worse band to mimic.
 
2012-09-24 06:13:54 PM  

AdamK: BronyMedic: Mugato: Yeah, I don't believe any of that either. They did however exploit 9/11 after the fact in every way they could. The Dick Cheney/Haliburton thing is too ridiculous to be a coincidence. I think they had a hard on for Iraq from the beginning and they saw 9/11 as an excuse and they took it.

But no, 9/11 itself was not planned by the US.

And, I can see this. This is a legitimate theory, in my mind. 9/11 coincidentally made it far easier for them to push war on an angry population, the majority of which was whipped up in the bandwagon frenzy of killing brown people. (Too bad it was the Saudis they should have been mad with.)

But these threads make me sad. Because I see FARKers, which normally are sane, go full derp and out themselves as iPhone truthers.

i won't argue with the Bush Administration whipping up a frenzy to gain support for ground wars in the middle east, that part is obvious

not sure what targeting Saudi Arabia would've done to have any meaningful impact on the support structure that made that attack (and the other hundreds of attacks globally before/since) possible? the reality is painfully obvious that the Bush administration opted to simply annihilate the most convenient enemies of the region and avoid shiatting up stable regimes/dictatorships or friends of Russia/China... with the added ideal that bringing economic stability to the primary source of wealth in the region - oil - would bring about some kind of prosperous new-age to the middle east and the source of unrest in the region would quell

there was one major problem that plagued the Bush administration before 9/11 even happened that set the whole thing in motion and doomed our Weeners - the administration's predictable approach to everything (how it handled the unpredictable dangers of a domestic attack by Osama Bin Laden, to ground wars in the middle east, to nation-building and american-style democracy in ethnically unstable regions, etc.) and the brute-force nature of h ...


oh my...
 
2012-09-24 06:15:47 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [img.photobucket.com image 735x430]

Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton.

But no, there's no conspiracy.


Bush used chemtrails! That darn Bush!
 
2012-09-24 06:16:22 PM  

LesserEvil: Bush didn't want war with Iraq before 9/11.


I'm not sure I believe that. Cheney had a vested financial interest in destroying Iraq, Bush had a personal interest in Iraq that could have had daddy issues behind it. I watched all this live on TV like everyone else. There were no WMDs. But Bush told Saddam make with the WMDs or we're going in and he went in. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but most of the hijackers were Saudi And Bush made out with the Saudi leader. Then Bush said he didn't care about bin Laden.
 
2012-09-24 06:17:15 PM  
i56.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-24 06:21:26 PM  

Mugato: Wow, look how aloof and disinterested they are. I don't know who they are but they have to be the coolest guys ever.

[static.nme.com image 300x184]


The fark happened to Matt Bellamy? He looks like a tweaker. I mean the motherfarker looked half dead before but that hair doesn't help any.

/That sucky album and pussy vampire endorsement deal was the last I payed attention to them.
 
2012-09-24 06:25:26 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: make me some tea: Who?

He's the guy farking Kate Hudson and being a farking rock star while being very short and very ugly.

I like the "Absolution" record and a track here and there and that's about it. But I did see them live on Palladia the other day and they put on a hell of a show.

(For a band that started off mimicking Smashing Pumpkins before moving to mimicking Radiohead.)


Never heard the Smashing Pumpkins claim before, but yeah his voice sounds a lot like Yorke's in some songs. Instrumentally though they don't sound much like Radiohead (I'm not entirely convinced Radiohead actually play instruments with strings anymore). Now it seems like he wants to be Freddy Mercury and they have a new dub-step obsession. With me (a former advocate for this band), it's a lot like Weezer, where their new stuff is so terrible, it starts to actually impact my enjoyment of the old stuff.
 
2012-09-24 06:29:32 PM  
Embarrassed yet, truthers?
 
2012-09-24 06:31:38 PM  

sprawl15: Uh, it's The Muse, subtard.


I don't get it, is this a joke or meme of which I am unaware? It's Muse.
 
2012-09-24 06:34:48 PM  
I, for one, believe Bush went to War in Iraq, not from some preconceived plan, but because he believed thats what the public wanted..... Weeks and weeks after 9-11, seemingly every news article was about what Bush was gonna do about it.... Well, he finally did something. Stop complaining about it with hindsite knowledge of the result.
 
2012-09-24 06:35:39 PM  

sprawl15: Uh, it's The Muse, subtard.


No, it's not. It's Muse. You are a doodyhead.
 
2012-09-24 06:41:40 PM  
If it had been an inside job they would have simply made it look like Iraq did it instead of building a goofy justification that somehow the zeitgeist of the post-9/11 word made it essential to invade Iraq when it wasn't so in the pre-9/11 world. Iraq's WMD weren't real either.
 
2012-09-24 06:44:09 PM  
Too bad the new record's mostly crap.
 
2012-09-24 06:45:43 PM  

Nem Wan: If it had been an inside job they would have simply made it look like Iraq did it instead of building a goofy justification that somehow the zeitgeist of the post-9/11 word made it essential to invade Iraq when it wasn't so in the pre-9/11 world. Iraq's WMD weren't real either.


Sadaam Hussein didn't help with that. He was what we, on the internet, would consider an Epic troll. He was so good, that when the time came to prove he was complying with the world demands, and bluffing, that no one really believed him when he came out and said it.

He's dead proof that being an Epic IRL Troll has deadly consequences.
 
2012-09-24 06:47:57 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Bush and Cheney and Co. wanted Al Qaeda to do something to push their agenda, both foreign (invade Iraq at all costs) and domestic (prop up a feeble administration distrusted by many after the election fiasco), but thought it would be a tarmac hostage situation or something like that. They didn't expect the brass balls of what the hijackers did (or willfully didn't allow themselves to forsee it).

So no, it wasn't an 'inside job'. It was a wilfully negligent job. And they exploited the hell out of it.


"You covered your ass."

--George Bush to CIA briefer during the PDB "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within US"
 
2012-09-24 06:48:33 PM  
 
2012-09-24 06:49:34 PM  
I bet he quit smoking pot.

/My only argument against legalization.
 
2012-09-24 06:50:55 PM  

wildcardjack: I bet he quit smoking pot.

/My only argument against legalization.


LOLWUT?
 
2012-09-24 06:56:13 PM  

fusillade762: Mugato: There were no WMDs.

And yet 63 percent of Republicans still believe that there were.


Of course they did.
 
2012-09-24 06:57:39 PM  

Ricardo Klement: [i56.tinypic.com image 500x621]


img.metro.co.uk

"See? We told you it couldn't have been us."
 
2012-09-24 07:10:21 PM  
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 07:22:26 PM  

MagSeven: Now it seems like he wants to be Freddy Mercury and they have a new dub-step obsession.


Not a damn thing wrong with the first part honestly,Freddy Mercury was dedicated to the music but wtf is that shiat. If I wanna listen to dub step then I'll listen to farking dub step. Stop shoving it into every available genre and stop turning songs that don't ever need to sound like to dub step into dub step.

/Who the fark listens to Tool or Deftones and then goes "It's great but what it needs is most of that shiat drowned out and distorted!"
//At least from what I've seen on youtube.
 
2012-09-24 07:23:18 PM  
Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Regarding The Muse:

I've been listening since Absolution/Time Is Running Out, and I've always made the Radiohead comparison because of the way Bellamy uses his falsetto. He uses a full or mixed voice during the verses and switches to falsetto during the choruses, much like Yorke used to do (Creep, Fake Plastic Trees, High and Dry). On that album, I used to think of them as a cross between The Radiohead and The Jane's Addiction, mostly because of the hard rock, yet mainstream sounding guitar riffs. Is there another album where they sound like The The Smashing Pumpkins?
 
2012-09-24 07:24:18 PM  

BronyMedic: You're right. One of the most incompetent administrations in the history of the United States had the cunning knowledge of the exact time, date, and method that a foreign national group would use to murder tens of thousands of United States civilians, and purposefully did nothing to increase their profit margins. And they did so without any one person having any evidence or knowledge of this, and ignoring the common tenants of human decency and the perchance of ANY large conspiracy of this size to be blown out to the media by those who exhibit it..


Dipshiat doesn't read very well. But then I insulted your hero.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 07:28:08 PM  

A Terrible Human: MagSeven: Now it seems like he wants to be Freddy Mercury and they have a new dub-step obsession.

Not a damn thing wrong with the first part honestly,Freddy Mercury was dedicated to the music but wtf is that shiat. If I wanna listen to dub step then I'll listen to farking dub step. Stop shoving it into every available genre and stop turning songs that don't ever need to sound like to dub step into dub step.

/Who the fark listens to Tool or Deftones and then goes "It's great but what it needs is most of that shiat drowned out and distorted!"
//At least from what I've seen on youtube.


I hear you, but from what I've heard it isn't so bad. At least they wrote the songs the way they are, as opposed to other rock bands who throw in some electronic breaks or nuances as an afterthought because it's the latest thing. That's always bugged me a lot more.

BTW, Deftones has a new single streaming around the internets.
 
2012-09-24 07:39:18 PM  
I thought they meant Throwing Muses.
 
2012-09-24 07:42:39 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Dipshiat doesn't read very well. But then I insulted your hero.


Ha.

HAHAH.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.


You're even more worthy of the idiot/911 truther tag you've earned in my fark notes now.

Bush apologist. Bwahahaha. That was funny.

You made my day, BPIPAS. Made my day.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-24 07:43:28 PM  

NorCalLos: At least they wrote the songs the way they are, as opposed to other rock bands who throw in some electronic breaks or nuances as an afterthought because it's the latest thing. That's always bugged me a lot more.

BTW, Deftones has a new single streaming around the internets.


That's probably more how I should've worded it and the reason it bugs you is because you know damn well that isn't the type of music they made before dub step got popular. I don't hate dub step,I like dub step,except skrillex and his horrible voice can go fark off.

As for Leathers? I've heard and it sounds decent. Can't wait for the music coming at the end of this year/early next.
 
2012-09-24 07:45:02 PM  
Can someone explain to me why Muse fans are completely insane? I know an insane Muse fan who is Facebook friends with all kinds of other insane Muse fans, and they all put "Bellamy" or "Muser" in their user names and talk about Matt Bellamy like they know him personally and is the second coming of Christ or something. They seem completely detached from reality. Is this just what kids do these days? They seem to be really big in Indonesia.
 
2012-09-24 07:49:06 PM  
Great, now maybe England can focus on the real hard-hitting question of how the hell do you produce Paul McCartney and John Entwhistle and then there isn't a single damn melodic bassist on the whole island forever after. Seriously, someone tell them thumping out root notes on a bass isn't like swallows not returning to Gibraltar or the bats in the Tower of London.
 
2012-09-24 07:54:56 PM  

A Terrible Human: Mugato: Wow, look how aloof and disinterested they are. I don't know who they are but they have to be the coolest guys ever.

[static.nme.com image 300x184]

The fark happened to Matt Bellamy? He looks like a tweaker. I mean the motherfarker looked half dead before but that hair doesn't help any.

/That sucky album and pussy vampire endorsement deal was the last I payed attention to them.


Pussy-vampires? Is that hot or painful?
 
2012-09-24 08:04:19 PM  
Just like before, I don't give a sh*t.
 
2012-09-24 08:07:03 PM  
www.amsterdamtrader.com

(1) There is no evidence of any 9/11 conspiracy involving the U.S. government.
(2) Virtually all of the inarticulate hunches and pseudoscience advanced by 9/11 "truthers" has been refuted by real science. At least all those claims that aren't too far-fetched to be tested.
(3) 9/11 "truthers" want you to believe that the government was competent enough to pull off a conspiracy that had to have involved thousands of people employed over the course of several months (if not years), somehow manage to keep all of those people quiet, and yet this same government wasn't competent enough to prevent some guy living in his mom's basement from making a crappy YouTube video exposing this vast conspiracy. Can't have it both ways.
(4) Similar to the JFK conspiracy theorists, most of these "truthers" are sincere and patriotic people who think they've uncovered some great wrong committed against their country and are determined to advance their version of the truth. Ironically, in doing so they point the finger away from the real perpetrator (Bin Laden and, in the case of JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald) and blame
 
2012-09-24 08:17:31 PM  

Mugato: LesserEvil: Bush didn't want war with Iraq before 9/11.

I'm not sure I believe that. Cheney had a vested financial interest in destroying Iraq, Bush had a personal interest in Iraq that could have had daddy issues behind it. I watched all this live on TV like everyone else. There were no WMDs. But Bush told Saddam make with the WMDs or we're going in and he went in. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but most of the hijackers were Saudi And Bush made out with the Saudi leader. Then Bush said he didn't care about bin Laden.


At the risk of coming off as an iPhone truther:

New Documents Show Bush Administration Planned War in Iraq Well Before 9/11/2001

Not to mention the oft mentioned Project for a New American Century which wanted us to conquer pretty much all of the Middle East and was made up of half of the Bush Administration's top officials. They wanted regime change from day one and I doubt any of them envisioned an Arab Spring toppling of Saddam.
 
2012-09-24 08:17:39 PM  

BronyMedic: Because People in power are Stupid: Dipshiat doesn't read very well. But then I insulted your hero.

Ha.

HAHAH.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

You're even more worthy of the idiot/911 truther tag you've earned in my fark notes now.

Bush apologist. Bwahahaha. That was funny.

You made my day, BPIPAS. Made my day.

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Insulted by a Furry with a pony fetish. Like that's an insult.

Since we're trading the same shiat:

911 truther. Bwahahaha. That was funny.

You must read at a 4th grade level. But then again you're from the south and probably inbred.
 
2012-09-24 08:17:58 PM  

ottosmom: Can someone explain to me why Muse fans are completely insane? I know an insane Muse fan who is Facebook friends with all kinds of other insane Muse fans, and they all put "Bellamy" or "Muser" in their user names and talk about Matt Bellamy like they know him personally and is the second coming of Christ or something. They seem completely detached from reality. Is this just what kids do these days? They seem to be really big in Indonesia.


Well, there are a few completely detached people like that out there, sure. Let me tell you about a specific bunch... BTW you look like Gloria Slade. Have you and your husband ever tried to sell power tools to your neighbor, over the fence?
 
2012-09-24 08:20:20 PM  
I think the crowd got bored
 
2012-09-24 08:20:32 PM  

MagSeven: One needs only listen to the leak of his latest album to grasp a sense of this man's insanity.


This. His insanity has moved from 9/11 conspiracies (and he is a big conspiracy theory guy) to putting out crap in the last album and this one (at least based on what's been heard so far). And I'm a Muse fan saying this.

/seriously, never seen a single split a fan base like Madness has
//it's either love or hate and nothing in between
///I hate it
 
2012-09-24 08:21:11 PM  

velvet_fog: (3) 9/11 "truthers" want you to believe that the government was competent enough to pull off a conspiracy that had to have involved thousands of people employed over the course of several months (if not years), somehow manage to keep all of those people quiet, and yet this same government wasn't competent enough to prevent some guy living in his mom's basement from making a crappy YouTube video exposing this vast conspiracy. Can't have it both ways.


^ This also applies to many other alleged government conspiracies.
 
2012-09-24 08:24:48 PM  

ottosmom: Can someone explain to me why Muse fans are completely insane? I know an insane Muse fan who is Facebook friends with all kinds of other insane Muse fans, and they all put "Bellamy" or "Muser" in their user names and talk about Matt Bellamy like they know him personally and is the second coming of Christ or something. They seem completely detached from reality. Is this just what kids do these days? They seem to be really big in Indonesia.


Don't ask me to explain it. All I know is that I'm not one of them and I'd like to keep it that way.
 
2012-09-24 08:25:58 PM  
So, the truth is that a bunch of Muslim extremists holed up in some caves in Afghanistan back in the day managed to hoodwink the entire US security apparatus, have four airplanes hijacked with box cutters and have them piloted into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon?

Alrighty, then.
 
2012-09-24 08:28:08 PM  
Oh dear....
 
2012-09-24 08:28:22 PM  

velvet_fog: [www.amsterdamtrader.com image 300x391]

(1) There is no evidence of any 9/11 conspiracy involving the U.S. government.
(2) Virtually all of the inarticulate hunches and pseudoscience advanced by 9/11 "truthers" has been refuted by real science. At least all those claims that aren't too far-fetched to be tested.
(3) 9/11 "truthers" want you to believe that the government was competent enough to pull off a conspiracy that had to have involved thousands of people employed over the course of several months (if not years), somehow manage to keep all of those people quiet, and yet this same government wasn't competent enough to prevent some guy living in his mom's basement from making a crappy YouTube video exposing this vast conspiracy. Can't have it both ways.
(4) Similar to the JFK conspiracy theorists, most of these "truthers" are sincere and patriotic people who think they've uncovered some great wrong committed against their country and are determined to advance their version of the truth. Ironically, in doing so they point the finger away from the real perpetrator (Bin Laden and, in the case of JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald) and blame


9/11 truthers are a government conspiracy launched to deflect any reasonable criticism of the governments actions relating to not detecting, or their reactions to the attack, by derailing any conversation about the topic into obvious nonsense only nutcases and paid shills will agree with, thus drowning out any real wrongdoing.

/that should mess with their heads
 
2012-09-24 08:29:44 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: [i18.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Thank you. I was hoping to see this again.
 
2012-09-24 08:31:01 PM  

BronyMedic: iPhone? fark you, autocorrect. 9/11 truthers.


You typed that out on an iPhone?

You're braver than I thought.
 
2012-09-24 08:31:39 PM  
www.comediansandspeakers.com 

The Mossad and the lizard people are behind the whole thing. 
 
2012-09-24 08:37:22 PM  

ottosmom: Can someone explain to me why Muse fans are completely insane? I know an insane Muse fan who is Facebook friends with all kinds of other insane Muse fans, and they all put "Bellamy" or "Muser" in their user names and talk about Matt Bellamy like they know him personally and is the second coming of Christ or something. They seem completely detached from reality. Is this just what kids do these days? They seem to be really big in Indonesia.


He plays a variety of instruments pretty decently, can jump around like a maniac and not screw up what he is playing on the guitar while doing so, has pretty decent range as a singer, wears his Queen influences on his sleeve and most importantly, the band really cherishes their audience and puts on an outstanding live show. I'm not a big fan, but I get it. There aren't too many bands actually writing and performing their own music these days, that play instruments, tour a lot and have hit it big.

I don't understand why anyone would call him or her self a Muser or put Bellamy, but I can understand being a fan.

Beats being a Belieber or a 1Directioner I suppose.
 
2012-09-24 08:44:01 PM  

NorCalLos: Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Yes, a third tower did fall down that day, it was WTC Building #7. The official reason for it coming down is debris from the other towers taking a big chunk out of it, and fires.
 
2012-09-24 08:57:47 PM  
Back and to the left, back and to the left ...
 
2012-09-24 08:59:45 PM  
Ah, this crap again. If you believe one of the most incompetent administrations in recent memory pulled off one of the largest conspiracies in reason memory without getting caught, you are a weapons grade idiot.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:42 PM  
I've seen Muse live at least three times--though all three times I was there to see someone else--and I can vouch for them putting on an awesome show.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:47 PM  

dehehn: NorCalLos: Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Yes, a third tower did fall down that day, it was WTC Building #7. The official reason for it coming down is debris from the other towers taking a big chunk out of it, and fires.


The troofers maintain that 8 hours of uncontrolled burning in WTC7 was not enough to bring it down. It was hit with debris early in the morning which damaged the sprinkler system and caught upper floors on fire, then the fires burned throughout most of the day on upper floors the FDNY couldn't get to. The fire department evacuated around 3pm, and at 5:30 the building came down. Since the building housed a great deal of confidential government and banking information, it's a favorite plot point of troofers to claim it was purposely demolished to get people off the hook for criminal activity.
 
2012-09-24 09:18:01 PM  
Thanks, both of you regarding the other building.
 
2012-09-24 09:20:32 PM  

BronyMedic: Nem Wan: If it had been an inside job they would have simply made it look like Iraq did it instead of building a goofy justification that somehow the zeitgeist of the post-9/11 word made it essential to invade Iraq when it wasn't so in the pre-9/11 world. Iraq's WMD weren't real either.

Sadaam Hussein didn't help with that. He was what we, on the internet, would consider an Epic troll. He was so good, that when the time came to prove he was complying with the world demands, and bluffing, that no one really believed him when he came out and said it.

He's dead proof that being an Epic IRL Troll has deadly consequences.


True. Sadaam had each of his armies thinking the other had WMD. But Bush rushed his intelligence after 911. A report that takes months or years was demanded in a few weeks. Big surprise when it wasn't accurate
 
2012-09-24 09:36:25 PM  
Saw Muse on their last tour a couple of years ago. Was the best damn rock show I'd seen in a long, long time.
 
2012-09-24 09:45:12 PM  
I mentioned the phrase Occam's Razor to a 9/11 truther recently and they asked me what "Occam's Razor" was.
 
2012-09-24 09:45:31 PM  
Maybe insane, but they can craft an unofficial James Bond title song like nobody's business!
 
2012-09-24 09:53:20 PM  
This thread is schizophrenic a all hell.
 
2012-09-24 10:06:50 PM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: So, the truth is that a bunch of Muslim extremists holed up in some caves in Afghanistan back in the day managed to hoodwink the entire US security apparatus, have four airplanes hijacked with box cutters and have them piloted into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon?

Alrighty, then.


I think that you meant to say that a bunch of Muslim extremists with university level educations in engineering, commercial pilots licenses and access to millions of dollars found a hole in the US security apparatus in the form of lax security measures and standards in US airports and then killed the pilots with (then allowed, see lax security standards above) razor sharp knives less than 4 inches long (most likely by cutting their throats as they were strapped into their seats) and cowed the passengers with threats of more murders if they interfered, then they used the planes to destroy the towers that they had already vowed to take down since at least 1993. They also exploited a weakness in the US air defense network by bypassing the part where attacks by air have to get here over vast distances over water or ice first and just started off behind that line of defense instead.
 
2012-09-24 10:13:27 PM  

Need_MindBleach: I mentioned the phrase Occam's Razor to a 9/11 truther recently and they asked me what "Occam's Razor" was.


You met a rare one. Most of them use it to bolster their arguments. Selectively, of course.
 
2012-09-24 10:18:49 PM  

Lsherm: dehehn: NorCalLos: Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Yes, a third tower did fall down that day, it was WTC Building #7. The official reason for it coming down is debris from the other towers taking a big chunk out of it, and fires.

The troofers maintain that 8 hours of uncontrolled burning in WTC7 was not enough to bring it down. It was hit with debris early in the morning which damaged the sprinkler system and caught upper floors on fire, then the fires burned throughout most of the day on upper floors the FDNY couldn't get to. The fire department evacuated around 3pm, and at 5:30 the building came down. Since the building housed a great deal of confidential government and banking information, it's a favorite plot point of troofers to claim it was purposely demolished to get people off the hook for criminal activity.


That, and from what I've heard the emergency generator's fuel pumping system was designed in sort of the stupidest way imaginable(hardened, activated automatically, couldn't be shut down and kept from pumping fuel all over the building or something). But that's just what I read when I was younger.

It's obvious that some sort of conspiracy was behind it and that everyone who was in on it on an operational level is now dead. Maybe it was the Arabs, maybe not. We'll never know, all the loose ends were tied up very thoroughly.
 
2012-09-24 10:26:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Insulted by a Furry with a pony fetish. Like that's an insult.


I may be a furry who likes cartoon ponies, but at least I don't hold the belief that the most incompetent administration since Woodrow Wilson deliberately created the conditions for 9/11 to occur in order to exploit the Nationalistic anger of the American people to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. At least I have standards, as well, and don't show my fetishes into your face. Unlike you, who seems to masturbate at the thought of Bush being a criminal mastermind the likes of Lex Luthor. Look. We get it. Bush was more than a failure as a president. He was the most evil since Hitler.

Because People in power are Stupid: 911 truther. Bwahahaha. That was funny.


Let's see here. If it quacks like a duck...

Because People in power are Stupid: You must read at a 4th grade level. But then again you're from the south and probably inbred.


Oh, I'm sorry. You never posted a 9/11 truther theory. You never wrote:

Because People in power are Stupid: Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton. But no, there's no conspiracy.


It's not like you are describing the "Let it happen on purpose" conspiracy theory of the 9/11 attacks, and then trying to claim you did not when called on it. I mean, why would you take a debated topic among the 9/11 truther movement, claim to believe it, and then try to run away and claim other people are trying to put words in your mouth, and "just can't read the same level as you" when you post and promote the stupidity that is 9/11 Conspiracy Theorism?

It's not like the conspiracy theory of promoting the conditions which allowed the 9/11 attacks, which were supposedly done intentionally by the Bush Administration, are in your words a way to justify a war to line the pockets of companies supporting the Bush Administration.

But yeah. You're right. You're totally not promoting common motives and reasons for the 9/11 Attacks in Conspiracy Theory.

So only two possibilities, in this case, exist. You are either:

1) A troll.
2) An embarassed 9/11 Truther who doesn't really believe his own tripe.


Either way, you're worthy of being ignored, now that I've shown why you're full of shiat.

images.cheezburger.com
 
2012-09-24 10:32:57 PM  
Really? You mean that people who make their living trying to guess what pre-teens and teenagers will find entertaining in their spare time tend to have a poor grasp of adult things like history, politics, and basic logic and education?

You don't say.
 
2012-09-24 10:42:08 PM  

threadjackistan: That, and from what I've heard the emergency generator's fuel pumping system was designed in sort of the stupidest way imaginable(hardened, activated automatically, couldn't be shut down and kept from pumping fuel all over the building or something). But that's just what I read when I was younger.


All of that is incorrect - the large diesel fuel tanks above ground on floors 8-9 were accounted for after the collapse (still full), and the fuel stored underground to supply generators on floors 5 and 6 couldn't provide enough energy to weaken the support beams on those floors, primarily because the generator fuel line wasn't big enough to generate a fire, even after 6 hours, to cause failure of the support that collapsed. Here's the official NIST techinical report, start on page 48. It's a Powerpoint slide show with pictures, so it's easy to get through.

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/upload/WTC7TechnicalBrief in g_082608-WEBCAST.pdf

For fun, if you keep going, they actually address the "controlled demo" question with modeling and destroy the argument with something as simple as broken windows and sound.
 
2012-09-24 10:42:59 PM  
Dude, does Matt Bellamy believe in jesus, does he shave his pubes, does he play with dolls in the dark when it rains. I wanna know, fark, tell me, tell me, tell me.
 
2012-09-24 10:45:22 PM  
I like how everyone says the government is too incompetent to pull something off like 9/11 but believe that they solved the whole thing in time for the evening news. They found the hijacker's perfectly singed passports that day. They'd announced the motive, the means, the perpetrators and the reasons the buildings failed in 12 hours. It was amazing to see.

But if you ask questions as to why the people were told that this asbestos laden building's dust was safe to breathe by the EPA, or why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out of the buildings the month before, and if you think it's a weird coincidence that Marvin Bush's company ran security for Dulles Airport, The WTC and United Airlines than you're crazy. It's absolutely insane to want the government to spend more money investigating 9/11 than Clinton's blowjob.
 
2012-09-24 10:53:17 PM  

schubie: I like how everyone says the government is too incompetent to pull something off like 9/11 but believe that they solved the whole thing in time for the evening news. They found the hijacker's perfectly singed passports that day. They'd announced the motive, the means, the perpetrators and the reasons the buildings failed in 12 hours. It was amazing to see.

But if you ask questions as to why the people were told that this asbestos laden building's dust was safe to breathe by the EPA, or why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out of the buildings the month before, and if you think it's a weird coincidence that Marvin Bush's company ran security for Dulles Airport, The WTC and United Airlines than you're crazy. It's absolutely insane to want the government to spend more money investigating 9/11 than Clinton's blowjob.


I don't like the way you used than, it should be then.
 
2012-09-24 10:57:55 PM  

threadjackistan: That, and from what I've heard the emergency generator's fuel pumping system was designed in sort of the stupidest way imaginable(hardened, activated automatically, couldn't be shut down and kept from pumping fuel all over the building or something). But that's just what I read when I was younger.


The diesel fuel theory was proven to not be the cause although it was considered a likely cause at the start of the investigation and was looked at very closely.

It's obvious that some sort of conspiracy was behind it and that everyone who was in on it on an operational level is now dead. Maybe it was the Arabs, maybe not. We'll never know, all the loose ends were tied up very thoroughly.

Yes it is quite obvious that a conspiracy was involved, it's just not the one that the truthers think that it is. Nineteen terrorists hijacked and crashed four planes and killed themselves in the process (operational level right?), the leader of the organization that funded the attack was killed a bit over a year ago (it was all over the news, perhaps you've heard about it?) and the only person left alive (that we know of) that had in depth involvement in the attacks is currently rotting in a tiny cell in Guantanamo Bay awaiting trial along with four of his buddies who helped him train the terrorists. There is that other fellow who couldn't make it to the party (the twentieth hijacker, remember him?) but went on trial anyway. He is also rotting in a cell although it's on US soil so at least he has cable TV.
 
2012-09-24 10:58:05 PM  

schubie: I like how everyone says the government is too incompetent to pull something off like 9/11 but believe that they solved the whole thing in time for the evening news.


Oh, they did?

schubie: They found the hijacker's perfectly singed passports that day.


Actually, they were found before the building collapsed, along with highly flammable airline flotation seats as well. This is unusual, but not impossible, as other airline disasters have had similar objects found. The significance of these Passports, however, were not known until after the 9/11 attacks.

schubie: They'd announced the motive, the means, the perpetrators and the reasons the buildings failed in 12 hours. It was amazing to see.


Actually, no. The motive for the attacks were not discovered for some time afterwords, during the investigation phase of the post-9/11 mitigation and recovery. And the preliminary reason for the buildings failure was announced. It would be years before the NIST Report, which was backed by thousands of scientists and engineers, supported the reason given.

schubie: But if you ask questions as to why the people were told that this asbestos laden building's dust was safe to breathe by the EPA


EPA Incompetence has zero to do with the reason the Twin Towers fell that day.

schubie: why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out of the buildings the month before


Imagine that. a 9/11 Truther telling a blatant lie. In addition, it would be impossible to plant explosives in the building in a necessary manner to bring them down like that without anyone noticing in the time-frame of one month. Oh, and there's the fact that the NIST report specifically debunks this claim.

schubie: you're crazy. It's absolutely insane to want the government to spend more money investigating 9/11 than Clinton's blowjob.


No. We think you're crazy for being a LaMOE (Last man on earth) prick who thinks somehow, he can magically see behind the veil of what would, using logic, be a string of unlikely circumstances connected in the face of an unthinkable disaster, and find a conspiracy theory reaching up to the highest echelons of Government its self. And yet, somehow, there's no credible evidence to prove your position.

We think you're a crazy dick because you want to use the lives of thousands of men and women, who were murdered by a group of Saudi Nationals, as justification for the immorality and incompetence of your previous Administration.
 
2012-09-24 11:00:07 PM  

Lsherm: threadjackistan: That, and from what I've heard the emergency generator's fuel pumping system was designed in sort of the stupidest way imaginable(hardened, activated automatically, couldn't be shut down and kept from pumping fuel all over the building or something). But that's just what I read when I was younger.

All of that is incorrect - the large diesel fuel tanks above ground on floors 8-9 were accounted for after the collapse (still full), and the fuel stored underground to supply generators on floors 5 and 6 couldn't provide enough energy to weaken the support beams on those floors, primarily because the generator fuel line wasn't big enough to generate a fire, even after 6 hours, to cause failure of the support that collapsed. Here's the official NIST techinical report, start on page 48. It's a Powerpoint slide show with pictures, so it's easy to get through.

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/upload/WTC7TechnicalBrief in g_082608-WEBCAST.pdf

For fun, if you keep going, they actually address the "controlled demo" question with modeling and destroy the argument with something as simple as broken windows and sound.


I didnt say I believed it, just that it was something I read(and probably believed at the time) somewhere(the internet), when I was younger(in highschool).
 
2012-09-24 11:00:49 PM  

AdamK: they were effective at responding to crisis


*blink* * blink* BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*kof**kof*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-09-24 11:03:22 PM  
The problem reflected here is that we've allowed our entertainment to think its opinions are important to us. We need to put an end to that.
 
2012-09-24 11:05:06 PM  
No, I wasn't a "truther" until our honeymoon in St Croix when I was at a bar drinking and we met the Head of Homeland Security for USVI. I asked how he got such a sweet job and he said "I was head of security for United Airlines at Logan Airport on 9/11." The head of security responsible for the one of the most deadly security failures ever. It didn't seem like something worth the reward of probably one of the top 10 government jobs of all time.

And you're wrong, they said all of those things that night on the news. Sure, they took their time on the reports but all of the main talking points were there. Did you not watch the news that night?
 
2012-09-24 11:08:39 PM  

schubie: No, I wasn't a "truther" until our honeymoon in St Croix when I was at a bar drinking and we met the Head of Homeland Security for USVI. I asked how he got such a sweet job and he said "I was head of security for United Airlines at Logan Airport on 9/11." The head of security responsible for the one of the most deadly security failures ever. It didn't seem like something worth the reward of probably one of the top 10 government jobs of all time.

And you're wrong, they said all of those things that night on the news. Sure, they took their time on the reports but all of the main talking points were there. Did you not watch the news that night?


denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2012-09-24 11:14:27 PM  

BronyMedic: Let's see here. If it quacks like a duck...


Exactly my point about you. George Bush Apologist. Let me guess, you voted for him.
 
2012-09-24 11:17:18 PM  

schubie: I like how everyone says the government is too incompetent to pull something off like 9/11 but believe that they solved the whole thing in time for the evening news. They found the hijacker's perfectly singed passports that day. They'd announced the motive, the means, the perpetrators and the reasons the buildings failed in 12 hours. It was amazing to see.


They found "A" passport as well as several other things that one might not expect to survive the impacts seen that day (seat cushions for example). The cause of the collapses weren't determined until over three years later and all of the popular theories put up before then were wrong (including the original FEMA theory). The attackers were well known (Al Qaeda) as were their motives. Even Howard Stern had it figured out on his live broadcast five minutes after the second airplane hit.

But if you ask questions as to why the people were told that this asbestos laden building's dust was safe to breathe by the EPA, or why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out of the buildings the month before, and if you think it's a weird coincidence that Marvin Bush's company ran security for Dulles Airport, The WTC and United Airlines than you're crazy. It's absolutely insane to want the government to spend more money investigating 9/11 than Clinton's blowjob.

The buildings had a total of forty floors of asbestos that were already about halfway abated on the day of the attacks. The "Extra" bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out, there were still several dogs working on 9/11 and at least one of them was killed in the collapses. Marvin Bush's "Company" was fired before they had completed the job that they were hired to do (They installed, not operated security devices. They didn't "Run" security for anyone), aside from that Marvin Bush left that company over a year before the attacks.

The government has so far spent approximately four billion dollars investigating 9/11 versus approximately 65 million dollars over Whitewater et-al.

You clearly don't have a clue as to what you're talking about but you sure do have the wrong answers for just about everything anyway.
 
2012-09-24 11:27:02 PM  

A Terrible Human: /Who the fark listens to Tool or Deftones and then goes "It's great but what it needs is most of that shiat drowned out and distorted!"


Distorted stuff on my Tool?
 
2012-09-24 11:31:00 PM  

miniflea: Because People in power are Stupid: [img.photobucket.com image 735x430]

Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton.

But no, there's no conspiracy.

To paraphrase, never attribute to conspiracy that which is explainable by stupidity.


So it all happened

Because People in power are Stupid: [img.photobucket.com image 735x430]

Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton.

But no, there's no conspiracy.

 
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2012-09-24 11:48:40 PM  

LewDux: miniflea: Because People in power are Stupid: [img.photobucket.com image 735x430]

Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton.

But no, there's no conspiracy.

To paraphrase, never attribute to conspiracy that which is explainable by stupidity.

So it all happened Because People in power are Stupid: [img.photobucket.com image 735x430]

Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent. Then, right wing propagandists used this attack for an excuse to shovel money (through no bid contracts) to companies like Halliburton.

But no, there's no conspiracy. 
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Yup.

Brony is a pretentious douche who put words in my mouth ascribing a motive where there was none. The right wing propagandists that I mention were merely taking advantage of the stupidity that Brony voted into power.
 
2012-09-24 11:50:23 PM  

Lsherm: dehehn: NorCalLos: Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Yes, a third tower did fall down that day, it was WTC Building #7. The official reason for it coming down is debris from the other towers taking a big chunk out of it, and fires.

The troofers maintain that 8 hours of uncontrolled burning in WTC7 was not enough to bring it down. It was hit with debris early in the morning which damaged the sprinkler system and caught upper floors on fire, then the fires burned throughout most of the day on upper floors the FDNY couldn't get to. The fire department evacuated around 3pm, and at 5:30 the building came down. Since the building housed a great deal of confidential government and banking information, it's a favorite plot point of troofers to claim it was purposely demolished to get people off the hook for criminal activity.


Actually it took only 8 hours because the plane also carried tanks full of the mind-control agents airlines use to make chemtrails
 
2012-09-24 11:51:56 PM  

LewDux: Actually it took only 8 hours because the plane also carried tanks full of the mind-control agents airlines use to make chemtrails


Not to mention their awesome costumes. Agents are always well dressed.
 
2012-09-24 11:56:41 PM  
Guess what, Musician: your opinion meant nothing before, and it means nothing now.
 
2012-09-25 12:03:29 AM  

Blowmonkey: LewDux: Actually it took only 8 hours because the plane also carried tanks full of the mind-control agents airlines use to make chemtrails

Not to mention their awesome costumes. Agents are always well dressed.


Of cause they had awesome costumes, government paid them well and probably promised sexy jobs in Caribbean islands to sit on their asses and do nothing while terrorists hijacked planes
 
2012-09-25 12:04:41 AM  
one liberal down, many, many more to go.
at least it is a start.
 
kab
2012-09-25 12:10:34 AM  

FitzShivering: Ah, this crap again. If you believe one of the most incompetent administrations in recent memory pulled off one of the largest conspiracies in reason memory without getting caught, you are a weapons grade idiot.


It's always amusing how folks will view government as utterly incompetent in every aspect, yet have full faith in them to supply and run our national defense.

It's hardly a huge stretch to believe, given the current available information, that an upcoming attack was certainly known about and not reacted to, since there needed to be motive for the war effort (and this worked rather perfectly, of course).

And it's not like it had never been at least considered before:

img443.imageshack.us
 
2012-09-25 12:15:15 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: one liberal down, many, many more to go.
at least it is a start.


img1.fark.net A plane has just hit the second liberal
 
2012-09-25 12:36:38 AM  
Money has made him soft
 
2012-09-25 12:45:59 AM  
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

- Robert J. Hanlon (allegedly)
 
2012-09-25 01:11:03 AM  

Snapper Carr: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

- Robert J. Hanlon (allegedly)


AYUP.
 
2012-09-25 01:26:05 AM  
What the hell is going on in this thread?

It should have been a discussion on how horrible the new single, "Madness", is.

/Muse fan
//still looking forward to the new album
 
2012-09-25 03:25:10 AM  
Do not watch this

film.

Seriously.
 
2012-09-25 03:30:58 AM  

kab: FitzShivering: Ah, this crap again. If you believe one of the most incompetent administrations in recent memory pulled off one of the largest conspiracies in reason memory without getting caught, you are a weapons grade idiot.

It's always amusing how folks will view government as utterly incompetent in every aspect, yet have full faith in them to supply and run our national defense.


I don't have faith in the government to supply for our national defense, so don't know what that one is about, but, in general, yes, it is amusing when people think that.


It's hardly a huge stretch to believe, given the current available information, that an upcoming attack was certainly known about and not reacted to, since there needed to be motive for the war effort (and this worked rather perfectly, of course).

And it's not like it had never been at least considered before:


There is a very long walk between not reacting to an attack and the attack being an inside job. The Bush administration wasn't capable of blowing up a balloon, much less a building, or multiple buildings.

 
2012-09-25 05:45:41 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Insulted by a Furry with a pony fetish. Like that's an insult.


Well, it's a little insulting.
 
2012-09-25 07:19:26 AM  

thamike: Because People in power are Stupid: Insulted by a Furry with a pony fetish. Like that's an insult.

Well, it's a little insulting.


Hardly. Imagine some idiot who's sitting at home wearing some costume and being a pretentious douche on the internet.

img.photobucket.com

He thinks that his opinion is so highly valued that other people actually care what his opinion is. He doesn't actually argue against what people say so he makes it up. As he imagines that he is so full of wit, he posts my little pony pictures with jokes that only he laughs at.

Now visualize that he's masturbating.

That's BronyMedic
 
2012-09-25 09:59:14 AM  
I don't think the government orchestrated it, or knew about it before it happened... but I do think they used the Hell out of it for their own reasons. (invade Iraq, make lots of $$$$, etc.)
 
2012-09-25 10:02:39 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: [i18.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Worst. Barbeque. EVAR.
 
2012-09-25 11:18:16 AM  

Ganymede_Elegy: What the hell is going on in this thread?

It should have been a discussion on how horrible the new single, "Madness", is.

/Muse fan
//still looking forward to the new album


Listened to the leak. There are a maybe 3 good songs on it IMO. It could be a "grower", but I doubt it.
 
2012-09-25 12:56:17 PM  

A Terrible Human: NorCalLos: At least they wrote the songs the way they are, as opposed to other rock bands who throw in some electronic breaks or nuances as an afterthought because it's the latest thing. That's always bugged me a lot more.

BTW, Deftones has a new single streaming around the internets.

That's probably more how I should've worded it and the reason it bugs you is because you know damn well that isn't the type of music they made before dub step got popular. I don't hate dub step,I like dub step,except skrillex and his horrible voice can go fark off.


I think there's a difference between throwing electronic elements in after the songs are written and writing songs with eletronic elements in them. It's not like Muse has never had any synth or electronic drums before. From what I've read, they're trying to create dub-step using mostly live instruments, which is at least a cool exercise. This is also not the first time they've made cheesey pop music or jumped on a flavor of the month bandwagon (concept album about oppressive government). Not really sure what my point is, but there you go... If you're looking for dub-step, don't listen to Muse. If you're looking for art-pop-rock band simulating dub-step, congratulations, you've found it.
 
2012-09-25 01:01:40 PM  
 
2012-09-25 01:34:51 PM  

Lsherm: dehehn: NorCalLos: Regarding Truthers:

We knew about it and ALLLOWED it to happen to further an agenda. The towers were a separate deal, the folks who stood to gain wanted to make sure there was no evidence.Skyscrapers don't fall into their footprint from fire. Never happened never will. All our planes were disarmed that day for "war games" (they finally acknowledged this) If it was a real "surprise" attack, they woulda had the president go act like one, but they didn't because they knew all about it.

 
2012-09-25 01:55:25 PM  
I have a friend who constantly posts truther and conspiracy theorist crap on Facebook (9/11 was an inside job, Bush was working with bin Laden, etc.). The only reason I ever read them and indulge in discussions about it with him is for shiats and giggles and to fark with him. He once posted something that I knew to be an outright fabrication, and I called him on it. Did a 30 second Google search for a few things to back my claims up with and he responds with the ever popular "you shouldn't believe everything you read" claim that these guys like to make when they are "pwnd."

That's my favorite thing about these conspiracy nuts: "don't believe everything you read." I love soooo much to hear them drop that line. It basically equates to them saying "Who cares if what you're saying is true and completely negates all the bullshiat I'm spewing, I'm not changing my stance as a fringe nutjob." Something I've never understood about that line is that if I'm not suppose to believe everything I hear then why do you, and why should I believe anything YOU'RE saying? It's just a terrible argument.

/yes, he is an adamant Ron Paul supporter
//why do you ask?
 
2012-09-25 02:42:04 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid



Bush ignored things that the previous administration was actively trying to prevent.


On Tape, Clinton Admits Passing Up bin Laden Capture
During a February 2002 speech, Clinton explained that he turned down an offer from Sudan for bin Laden's extradition to the U.S., saying, "At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him."

But that wasn't exactly true. By 1996, the 9/11 mastermind had already been named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by prosecutors in New York.



CIA Official To 60 Minutes: Clinton White House Didn't Approve Bin Laden Kill
one former official explained to Lara Logan the frustrating process of targeting and finding Bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1999, barely taking precautions to cover himself, and receiving only bureaucratic obstacles from the Clinton White House when asking for authorization to kill him.


Simple question. Under which president did 19 terrorists that planned to commit mass murder...

.. move to the U.S.A.?

.. learn to fly, but not land airplanes?
 
2012-09-25 02:59:17 PM  

fusillade762: Mugato: There were no WMDs.

And yet 63 percent of Republicans still believe that there were.


um.because there were?
 
2012-09-25 03:46:44 PM  

OnlyM3: Because People in power are Stupid

Simple question. Under which president did 19 terrorists that planned to commit mass murder...

.. move to the U.S.A.?

.. learn to fly, but not land airplanes?


I'm so glad an admitted Bushy has come out to play

img.photobucket.com

The Clinton Administration prevented the Millenium bombing of LAX.

The Bush administration priority prior to 9/11 was never to prevent any terrorist attacks. And afterwords -it was to fark up the response as much as possible. If you want any other proof of this -look at how badly they farked up the response to Hurricane Katrina.

It took Bush to be removed from office before Osama could be taken out.

And if you are citing Clinton for not getting Osama with a missile strike -thank republicans for that resistance. At the time they were whining that things like missile strikes in Afghanistan as being a means of Clinton distracting people from getting a blowjob.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp
 
2012-09-25 04:33:22 PM  

dehehn: NorCalLos: Regarding Truthers:

I don't think it was an inside job, but I don't doubt the capacity of the gubmint (CIA) to do something like this and I don't think it/they are above it. Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?

Yes, a third tower did fall down that day, it was WTC Building #7. The official reason for it coming down is debris from the other towers taking a big chunk out of it, and fires.


The conspiracy behind building 7 that it came down in the same exact way the towers did.. Which was highly unlikely due to the minor damage it received.
 
2012-09-25 05:55:49 PM  

toby8915: fusillade762: Mugato: There were no WMDs.

And yet 63 percent of Republicans still believe that there were.

um.because there were?


Gonna have to find a source more reliable than the NY Post to convince me.
 
2012-09-25 06:24:18 PM  

schubie: I like how everyone says the government is too incompetent to pull something off like 9/11 but believe that they solved the whole thing in time for the evening news. They found the hijacker's perfectly singed passports that day. They'd announced the motive, the means, the perpetrators and the reasons the buildings failed in 12 hours. It was amazing to see.

But if you ask questions as to why the people were told that this asbestos laden building's dust was safe to breathe by the EPA, or why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out of the buildings the month before, and if you think it's a weird coincidence that Marvin Bush's company ran security for Dulles Airport, The WTC and United Airlines than you're crazy. It's absolutely insane to want the government to spend more money investigating 9/11 than Clinton's blowjob.


how dare you even think to question the official story.

this means that you are automatically a:

troofer
birther
tea bagger

as soon as you are ready to apologize for questioning your government, we are all ears.
 
2012-09-25 07:24:35 PM  

NorCalLos:
Regarding The Muse:

I've been listening since Absolution/Time Is Running Out, and I've always made the Radiohead comparison because of the way Bellamy uses his falsetto. He uses a full or mixed voice during the verses and switches to falsetto during the choruses, much like Yorke used to do (Creep, Fake Plastic Trees, High and Dry). On that album, I used to think of them as a cross between The Radiohead and The Jane's Addiction, mostly because of the hard rock, yet mainstream sounding guitar riffs. Is there another album where they sound like The The Smashing Pumpkins?


I wish they sounded more like The The The.
 
2012-09-25 08:02:02 PM  

GibbyTheMole: I don't think the government orchestrated it, or knew about it before it happened... but I do think they used the Hell out of it for their own reasons. (invade Iraq, make lots of $$$$, etc.)


That's all I was saying.
 
2012-09-25 11:45:17 PM  

NorCalLos: Could someone please answer this question for me, though. What is the deal with the third tower the truthers always talk about coming down? Did that really happen? If so, was it brought down by one of the other towers?


The building caught fire during the collapse of the other 2 towers. It was not tended to (there was a PRETTY BIG PROBLEM NEXT DOOR) and eventually collapsed.
 
2012-09-27 12:14:01 PM  

inner ted: schubie: I like how everyone says the government is too incompetent to pull something off like 9/11 but believe that they solved the whole thing in time for the evening news. They found the hijacker's perfectly singed passports that day. They'd announced the motive, the means, the perpetrators and the reasons the buildings failed in 12 hours. It was amazing to see.

But if you ask questions as to why the people were told that this asbestos laden building's dust was safe to breathe by the EPA, or why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out of the buildings the month before, and if you think it's a weird coincidence that Marvin Bush's company ran security for Dulles Airport, The WTC and United Airlines than you're crazy. It's absolutely insane to want the government to spend more money investigating 9/11 than Clinton's blowjob.

how dare you even think to question the official story.

this means that you are automatically a:

troofer
birther
tea bagger

as soon as you are ready to apologize for questioning your government, we are all ears.


You apparently missed the part of the thread where everything he said was debunked.
 
2012-09-27 01:11:23 PM  

browntimmy: inner ted: schubie: I like how everyone says the government is too incompetent to pull something off like 9/11 but believe that they solved the whole thing in time for the evening news. They found the hijacker's perfectly singed passports that day. They'd announced the motive, the means, the perpetrators and the reasons the buildings failed in 12 hours. It was amazing to see.

But if you ask questions as to why the people were told that this asbestos laden building's dust was safe to breathe by the EPA, or why the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled out of the buildings the month before, and if you think it's a weird coincidence that Marvin Bush's company ran security for Dulles Airport, The WTC and United Airlines than you're crazy. It's absolutely insane to want the government to spend more money investigating 9/11 than Clinton's blowjob.

how dare you even think to question the official story.

this means that you are automatically a:

troofer
birther
tea bagger

as soon as you are ready to apologize for questioning your government, we are all ears.

You apparently missed the part of the thread where everything he said was debunked.


oh you mean that great link to someone's shiatty blog? is that what's supposed to settle all this?

& he's right; it's staggering to witness how nobody can deal with even being questioned on this. it's just immediate rage and name calling & that's kinda pathetic.

the hypocrisy surrounding all this is just painful. read that shiat yourself. using opinion and conjecture when it fits their view and completely discounting someone else for doing the same thing.

i don't go around hating on folks for what they believe, but i do question it (hopefully in a respectful manner). some will respond in a similar tone and state their position and have a conversation.

others will just flame out.

which are you?
 
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