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2012-09-24 12:23:11 PM  
Checkered flag.
 
2012-09-24 12:39:17 PM  
As a NASCAR fan (and someone who would most likely vote for Obama without a viable 3rd party)... I'm rather surprised.  Many fans of NASCAR are not uneducated hicks from the south... but its still a large portion of the fanbase unfortunately (judging by how many confederate flags I see during tailgating.)
 
2012-09-24 01:03:26 PM  
What!?

Some of Romney's best friends own NASCAR teams, he is certainly better able to empathize with the NASCAR fan base.
 
2012-09-24 01:16:30 PM  
Nothing NASCAR fans enjoy more than a spectacular wreck.
 
2012-09-24 01:18:12 PM  
It's almost like the only thing Southerns hate more than a minority in power is a rich white guy.
 
2012-09-24 01:31:16 PM  

WTF Indeed: It's almost like the only thing Southerns hate more than a minority in power is a rich white guy Yankee.


FTY
 
2012-09-24 01:35:55 PM  
Well, that settles THAT. I'm voting Romney, coz I ain't no redneck hick!
 
2012-09-24 01:41:49 PM  
Obama should seize the opportunity and make a surprise visit to Dover this weekend. The track's not too far from Dover AFB, so the logistics should be pretty easy.
 
2012-09-24 01:49:59 PM  
3.polizeros.com 

/hotlinked
 
2012-09-24 01:58:56 PM  
Donna Noble approves.
 
2012-09-24 01:59:40 PM  
This is bad news for Obama
 
2012-09-24 02:00:22 PM  

impaler: WTF Indeed: It's almost like the only thing Southerns hate more than a minority in power is a rich white guy Yankee cultist.

FTY

 
2012-09-24 02:02:38 PM  
Masterful headline, subby.
 
2012-09-24 02:03:25 PM  
I gotta say, if this isn't at least nominated for HOTY, then there's no point to the contest.
 
2012-09-24 02:03:50 PM  
romney did go out of his way to mock nascar fans on several occasions so it shouldn't be that shocking they didn't take kindly to it
 
2012-09-24 02:04:50 PM  
NASCAR fans, though, have been known to boo politicians.

Things they've also been known to boo:

Reading
Hygiene
Exercise
...
 
2012-09-24 02:04:59 PM  
Soooo....NASCAR fans are a new demographic for judging how an election will sway? Jeebus, this is the end, isn't it.
 
2012-09-24 02:05:19 PM  
i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 02:05:31 PM  

anwserman: Donna Noble approves.


But in the very end, does she really?

It granted her a far more exciting life, yes. But one that was erased...
 
2012-09-24 02:06:12 PM  
The crowd initially booed Mr. Romney, who occasionally struck a discordant note, as when he approached a group of fans wearing plastic ponchos. "I like those fancy raincoats you bought," he said. "Really sprung for the big bucks."

If Romney weren't Mormon he would greet people with "hey, f*cko".
 
2012-09-24 02:07:26 PM  
Yeah, yeah, the novelty of NASCAR fans preferring Obama and the hilarious Romney quote are nice. But the only thing I took away from the article is that NASCAR fans sure like to boo politicians.

Yeah, I know politicians aren't exactly the popular group of people in the world, but most sports crowds (emphasis on "most," Philly fans) are content to give polite applause or sit on their hands. The fact that NASCAR people love to boo politicians of all stripes--and the wives of said politicians--tells me they're the kind of people who blame their miserable lives on the mean ol' government despite not having the foggiest idea how the government works nor the introspection to think that maybe something they did cause it to all go wrong.

They're the type of people who spit invective toward the government in one breath and then demand it help them find a job and make beer cheaper in the next. It's one of the worst parts of election year culture. Not looking forward to seeing it come town hall time.
 
2012-09-24 02:08:22 PM  
I might have to sit this one out. The only thing I dislike more than Romney is NASCAR, and I feel it would create a great disturbance in The Force to associate, even if ever so tenuously, with those cousin-banging hicks.
 
2012-09-24 02:08:57 PM  

BSABSVR: The crowd initially booed Mr. Romney, who occasionally struck a discordant note, as when he approached a group of fans wearing plastic ponchos. "I like those fancy raincoats you bought," he said. "Really sprung for the big bucks."

If Romney weren't Mormon he would greet people with "hey, f*cko".


I lol'd. Now my boss is looking at me funny, you jerk!
 
2012-09-24 02:09:23 PM  

The Great EZE: Yeah, yeah, the novelty of NASCAR fans preferring Obama and the hilarious Romney quote are nice. But the only thing I took away from the article is that NASCAR fans sure like to boo politicians.

Yeah, I know politicians aren't exactly the popular group of people in the world, but most sports crowds (emphasis on "most," Philly fans) are content to give polite applause or sit on their hands. The fact that NASCAR people love to boo politicians of all stripes--and the wives of said politicians--tells me they're the kind of people who blame their miserable lives on the mean ol' government despite not having the foggiest idea how the government works nor the introspection to think that maybe something they did cause it to all go wrong.

They're the type of people who spit invective toward the government in one breath and then demand it help them find a job and make beer cheaper in the next. It's one of the worst parts of election year culture. Not looking forward to seeing it come town hall time.


Wow, yes, the tried and true Philly fans meme. As long as Sportscenter reports it, you don't have to think about it.
 
2012-09-24 02:09:51 PM  

The Great EZE: The fact that NASCAR people love to boo politicians of all stripes--and the wives of said politicians--tells me they're the kind of people who blame their miserable lives on the mean ol' government despite not having the foggiest idea how the government works nor the introspection to think that maybe something they did cause it to all go wrong.


But we already know they're predominantly republicans...
 
2012-09-24 02:11:01 PM  
Maybe NASCAR is attracting more new fans who are Democrats, rather than Obama attracting more new supporters who like NASCAR.
 
2012-09-24 02:11:03 PM  
carlsimmonslive.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-24 02:11:17 PM  

downstairs: As a NASCAR fan (and someone who would most likely vote for Obama without a viable 3rd party)... I'm rather surprised.  Many fans of NASCAR are not uneducated hicks from the south... but its still a large portion of the fanbase unfortunately (judging by how many confederate flags I see during tailgating.)


The only NASCAR fan I have met is an uneducated hick from the South. So...yeah.
 
2012-09-24 02:11:20 PM  
[Also read: Romney says his campaign doesn't need a 'turnaround']

Looks like he's going to hit a wall SAFER barrier.
 
2012-09-24 02:11:27 PM  
Not all rednecks are as Obama hating as you might be led to believe by the extremely vocal nature of the more racist elements of that crowd. At the end of the day, redneck culture is pretty relaxed, and many really do just want someone who they don't feel like will screw them over, race be damned.
 
2012-09-24 02:11:29 PM  
Obama has a head start of 14 points among independents (46 to 32 percent)

Christ... I've seen this stated exactly the opposite recently.

Too many polls.
 
2012-09-24 02:11:59 PM  
among those sympathetic to the tea party, Romney holds a 75 to 17 percent edge

So even the republican base has 17 percent going for Obama...
 
2012-09-24 02:12:37 PM  
Who can blame NASCAR fans? Mittens will throw them under the bus with everybody else.

www.sltrib.com
 
2012-09-24 02:12:59 PM  
FTA: And among those sympathetic to the tea party, Romney holds a 75 to 17 percent edge.

WTF? If this guy only has 3/4 of the tea party vote, he's totally farked. That's like Netanyahu having 17% of the Iranian vote.
 
2012-09-24 02:14:05 PM  
FTFA: "Obama leads Romney 54 to 40 percent among military families."

You know how I know the GOP is doomed?
 
2012-09-24 02:15:20 PM  
47%, what?
 
2012-09-24 02:15:26 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: FTA: And among those sympathetic to the tea party, Romney holds a 75 to 17 percent edge.

WTF? If this guy only has 3/4 of the tea party vote, he's totally farked. That's like Netanyahu having 17% of the Iranian vote.


Well, to be fair.... it's not like that 1/4 are out voting for Obama. You and I both know they write in for RON PAUL and cry themselves to sleep on their end the fed bed set.
 
2012-09-24 02:15:43 PM  
Oh god. The delusion among Republicans that are forced to carry water for Romney is scary.
 
2012-09-24 02:16:30 PM  
I'm sure some idiot will start an unfounded rumor to try and fix this. "Obama wants to ban our racing cars cuz pollution and the viroment"
 
2012-09-24 02:17:04 PM  
From TFA, it looks like someone found the difference between a random sample (assuming the Zogby poll was actually random) and a self-selected sample (those who attend NASCAR events).

If you don't live within an hour of a NASCAR track, you're not likely to get to a race (and even if you do live close, maybe one or two a year?). NASCAR fans live all over the country (we assume). So the next step to determining how good NASCAR fans' support is at predicting general support of Obama would be overlaying the nationwide maps of Obama/NASCAR supporters.

Statistics is hard, brah. Let's just dash off a writeup comparing apples to oranges instead and go get a beer.
 
2012-09-24 02:17:51 PM  
I told that teachin' lady the only letters I need to know are O, B, A, M, and A.
 
2012-09-24 02:18:03 PM  

downstairs: As a NASCAR fan (and someone who would most likely vote for Obama without a viable 3rd party)... I'm rather surprised.  Many fans of NASCAR are not uneducated hicks from the south... but its still a large portion of the fanbase unfortunately (judging by how many confederate flags I see during tailgating.)


It's kind of ironic, NASCAR events in Northern California are held at Sear's Point raceway which is SMACK DAB in the middle of wine country surrounded by some of the most posh snobs on the planet. Now THERE'S a demographic cross-over I'd love to see.

/Cousin Merl, would you like some brie to go with your 151 disguised as a Coke bottle?
 
2012-09-24 02:18:39 PM  

CokeBear: You know how I know the GOP is doomed?


Because the outcome of the last election was the GOP taking over congress in a beat-down of historic proportions? Just guessing....
 
2012-09-24 02:18:40 PM  

rudemix: I'm sure some idiot will start an unfounded rumor to try and fix this. "Obama wants to ban our racing cars cuz pollution and the viroment"


Didn't they do that in 2008? I could've sworn that I saw this same exact talking point being used in a serious manner.
 
2012-09-24 02:19:24 PM  
"I can't believe that there 'Bama gots our gas up near 4 dollars! shiat. How m'I supposed to afford going to watch them long races where they dun burn all dem fuel and never get nowheres?"
 
2012-09-24 02:19:30 PM  
That Class Warfare thing has legs. Just saying.
 
2012-09-24 02:19:34 PM  

SevenizGud: CokeBear: You know how I know the GOP is doomed?

Because the outcome of the last election was the GOP taking over congress in a beat-down of historic proportions? Just guessing....


Posts like these are what that Bruce Springsteen song "Glory Days" are about.
 
2012-09-24 02:20:24 PM  

SevenizGud: CokeBear: You know how I know the GOP is doomed?

Because the outcome of the last election was the GOP taking over congress in a beat-down of historic proportions? Just guessing....


The frontal lobe of our cerebral cortex allows us to recall events as they occurred..?
 
2012-09-24 02:20:52 PM  
The next group of people that should consider getting insulted by Romney in a daily basis are all government employees.
And I hear there are quite a few of them.
 
2012-09-24 02:21:48 PM  
Is Dale Earnhardt Sr. registered to vote in Chicago? -as heard in a FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: email

assets.speedtv.com
 
2012-09-24 02:23:22 PM  

hinten: The next group of people that should consider getting insulted by Romney in a daily basis are all government employees.
And I hear there are quite a few of them.


But less than there were in 2009. Obumfarttaxmonster, creater of the greatest government machine since machines and government began!
 
2012-09-24 02:23:25 PM  

Leeds: anwserman: Donna Noble approves.

But in the very end, does she really?

It granted her a far more exciting life, yes. But one that was erased...


I know. Of all of the companions (so far), her storyline is the most tragic. She's the one I like the most - plus Wilf, who doesn't like that old man?
 
2012-09-24 02:24:47 PM  
Maybe they pictured their favorite driver in a Honda, Fiat, or Hyundai.
 
2012-09-24 02:25:23 PM  

Bladel: Maybe they pictured their favorite driver in a Honda, Fiat, or Hyundai.


Why do you hate the free market?
 
2012-09-24 02:25:53 PM  
I heard that the drivers are all getting tattoos on one arm that say, "OBAMA." And another one that just says, "HEY!"

/obscure?
 
2012-09-24 02:26:32 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: That Class Warfare thing has legs. Just saying.


Mainly because it's true. I don't know about the rest of you but I pay a lot more that 14% in income tax. Too bad I'm not a millionaire. Then I could pay someone to get me out of my taxes too.
 
2012-09-24 02:31:11 PM  

Dr Dreidel:
... If you don't live within an hour of a NASCAR track, you're not likely to get to a race ....


You know nothing about NASCAR fans.
 
2012-09-24 02:33:11 PM  

s1ugg0: Guntram Shatterhand: That Class Warfare thing has legs. Just saying.

Mainly because it's true. I don't know about the rest of you but I pay a lot more that 14% in income tax. Too bad I'm not a millionaire. Then I could pay someone to get me out of my taxes too.


Those are payroll taxes, plebe. They don't count as "real" taxes.

// this is what Mitt Romney actually implied
 
2012-09-24 02:37:52 PM  

Epoch_Zero: SevenizGud: CokeBear: You know how I know the GOP is doomed?

Because the outcome of the last election was the GOP taking over congress in a beat-down of historic proportions? Just guessing....

The frontal lobe of our cerebral cortex allows us to recall events as they occurred..?


He's all Medulla oblongata.
 
2012-09-24 02:39:47 PM  

wademh: Dr Dreidel:
... If you don't live within an hour of a NASCAR track, you're not likely to get to a race ....

You know nothing about NASCAR fans.


Yeah, I laughed at that, too. When I was stationed in Altus, Oklahoma, some of my neighbors were part of a big crown of local Nascar fans that caravaned the 700 miles to Talladega, Alabama twice a year for the races. They were die-hard.

PS - Firefox wants to correct Talladega to "Gallbladder"... ;)
 
2012-09-24 02:42:19 PM  
Wow Mitt! How much of a f*ck up are you as a republican to lose the coveted NASCAR dads?
 
2012-09-24 02:45:44 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: wademh: Dr Dreidel:
... If you don't live within an hour of a NASCAR track, you're not likely to get to a race ....

You know nothing about NASCAR fans.

Yeah, I laughed at that, too. When I was stationed in Altus, Oklahoma, some of my neighbors were part of a big crown of local Nascar fans that caravaned the 700 miles to Talladega, Alabama twice a year for the races. They were die-hard.

PS - Firefox wants to correct Talladega to "Gallbladder"... ;)


So a statistically small group of people (out of ~100,000, what percentage you think travels more than 50 miles?) making the trek extrapolates to "people who live over an hour away are just as likely (or more likely) to go as people who live within an hour"?

// "not likely to" is a phrase I used for just that reason
// your anecdote is still valid, I guess, but proof of nothing
// but I admit I know next to nothing about NASCAR and its many fans
 
2012-09-24 02:48:28 PM  

Dr Dreidel: From TFA, it looks like someone found the difference between a random sample (assuming the Zogby poll was actually random) and a self-selected sample (those who attend NASCAR events).

If you don't live within an hour of a NASCAR track, you're not likely to get to a race (and even if you do live close, maybe one or two a year?). NASCAR fans live all over the country (we assume). So the next step to determining how good NASCAR fans' support is at predicting general support of Obama would be overlaying the nationwide maps of Obama/NASCAR supporters.

Statistics is hard, brah. Let's just dash off a writeup comparing apples to oranges instead and go get a beer.


It is significant when compared to the self-selected sample from previous years. NASCAR fans have traditionally been overwhelmingly republican.
 
2012-09-24 02:50:43 PM  

hinten: The next group of people that should consider getting insulted by Romney in a daily basis are all government employees.
And I hear there are quite a few of them.


The Malkins and the Becks of the world have said that tey would like to make it illegal for government employees to vote.

I fully expect to hear this drum beat start up again in December if Obama wins.
 
2012-09-24 02:50:55 PM  

gulogulo: downstairs: As a NASCAR fan (and someone who would most likely vote for Obama without a viable 3rd party)... I'm rather surprised.  Many fans of NASCAR are not uneducated hicks from the south... but its still a large portion of the fanbase unfortunately (judging by how many confederate flags I see during tailgating.)

The only NASCAR fan I have met is an uneducated hick from the South. So...yeah.


My gay uncle is a huge NASCAR fan, and I think the only one in the family. He also used to race stock cars as a semi-pro, demolition derby, etc.
 
2012-09-24 03:03:00 PM  
I voted for Obama in '08, and will again in '12.
 
2012-09-24 03:05:59 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: wademh: Dr Dreidel:
... If you don't live within an hour of a NASCAR track, you're not likely to get to a race ....

You know nothing about NASCAR fans.

Yeah, I laughed at that, too. When I was stationed in Altus, Oklahoma, some of my neighbors were part of a big crown of local Nascar fans that caravaned the 700 miles to Talladega, Alabama twice a year for the races. They were die-hard.

PS - Firefox wants to correct Talladega to "Gallbladder"... ;)



Yep.  NASCAR fans travel.  Its a huge part of the scene.  Look at the ariel coverage of any track and you'll see thousands of campers.  These are people from all over the country.
 
They bring their RV, park it for the whole weekend.
 
Its not like other sports where tailgating is a 2-hours before and 1-hour after thing, at most.
 
2012-09-24 03:08:43 PM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: My gay uncle is a huge NASCAR fan, and I think the only one in the family. He also used to race stock cars as a semi-pro, demolition derby, etc.


Well..your sample is an n of 1.

/griiiiiiiin.
 
2012-09-24 03:09:08 PM  

Dr Dreidel: So a statistically small group of people (out of ~100,000, what percentage you think travels more than 50 miles?) making the trek extrapolates to "people who live over an hour away are just as likely (or more likely) to go as people who live within an hour"?



Depends on the track and the race.  My experience is with Dover and Charlotte in terms of actually going.  I'd say 50-60% are from within 250 miles.  I'd say a good 10% are from really, really far... like road trip across the country far.
 
Especially Talladega, since that's such a huge draw, and something on every NASCAR fan's bucket list.
 
2012-09-24 03:09:37 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: I heard that the drivers are all getting tattoos on one arm that say, "OBAMA." And another one that just says, "HEY!"

/obscure?


Jim Croce is hardly obscure.

/But every Sunday afternoon he is a dirt-track demon in a '57 Chevrolet....
 
2012-09-24 03:10:35 PM  
Just learned a great joke from the comments on that page:

"What the difference between Romney and Obama? The Jews who control Romney prefer gifilte fish whereas the Jews who control Obama prefer smoked sturgeon."
 
2012-09-24 03:15:21 PM  

Dr Dreidel: StoneColdAtheist: When I was stationed in Altus, Oklahoma, some of my neighbors were part of a big crown of local Nascar fans that caravaned the 700 miles to Talladega, Alabama twice a year for the races. They were die-hard.

So a statistically small group of people (out of ~100,000, what percentage you think travels more than 50 miles?) making the trek extrapolates to "people who live over an hour away are just as likely (or more likely) to go as people who live within an hour"?

// "not likely to" is a phrase I used for just that reason
// your anecdote is still valid, I guess, but proof of nothing
// but I admit I know next to nothing about NASCAR and its many fans


According to this article from Nascar, the average attendee travels 250 miles to watch the race. That's not 700 miles, granted, but it's a lot further than 50 miles.

Nascar are big bidness... ;^)
 
2012-09-24 03:17:30 PM  

Moosecakes: Just learned a great joke from the comments on that page:

"What the difference between Romney and Obama? The Jews who control Romney prefer gifilte fish whereas the Jews who control Obama prefer smoked sturgeon."


Sounds like they've got Lox of differences
 
2012-09-24 03:21:55 PM  
As funny as this poll (and headline) is, I'm obliged to point out that this has more to do with NASCAR attracting a more diverse fan base than it does with toothless hillbillies deciding they're cool with a black president.
 
2012-09-24 03:22:39 PM  

tlchwi02: romney did go out of his way to mock nascar fans on several occasions so it shouldn't be that shocking they didn't take kindly to it


This bears repeating. It's also interesting to take another listen to Michelle Obama getting booed at 'Dega last year. Several thousand redneck wives gave their husbands an elbow pretty damn quick.
 
2012-09-24 03:24:42 PM  

Leeds: Moosecakes: Just learned a great joke from the comments on that page:

"What the difference between Romney and Obama? The Jews who control Romney prefer gifilte fish whereas the Jews who control Obama prefer smoked sturgeon."

Sounds like they've got Lox of differences


That'll be enough of that schmutz.
 
2012-09-24 03:26:37 PM  

rudemix: I'm sure some idiot will start an unfounded rumor to try and fix this. "Obama wants to ban our racing cars cuz pollution and the viroment"


That went around last time, didn't work.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:59 PM  

Poopspasm: As funny as this poll (and headline) is, I'm obliged to point out that this has more to do with NASCAR attracting a more diverse fan base than it does with toothless hillbillies deciding they're cool with a black president.


You're being far too sensible. Stop that.

Obama's secret socialist agenda of making people, even former Real Americans, dependent on the government is finally paying off. Next, he will start enslaving white people in FEMA camps and selling them to the Chinese to pay off the national debt.
 
2012-09-24 03:31:25 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Leeds: Moosecakes: Just learned a great joke from the comments on that page:

"What the difference between Romney and Obama? The Jews who control Romney prefer gifilte fish whereas the Jews who control Obama prefer smoked sturgeon."

Sounds like they've got Lox of differences

That'll be enough of that schmutz.


oy vey
 
2012-09-24 03:32:09 PM  

Citrate1007: NASCAR fans, though, have been known to boo politicians.

Things they've also been known to boo:

Reading
Hygiene
Exercise
...


+1. That was awesome. If I didn't already have you favorited.......
 
2012-09-24 03:38:22 PM  

Empty Matchbook: It's kind of ironic, NASCAR events in Northern California are held at Sear's Point raceway which is SMACK DAB in the middle of wine country surrounded by some of the most posh snobs on the planet. Now THERE'S a demographic cross-over I'd love to see.


One of my aunts married into a lot of money, and is very much a Marin County liberal, but she and her husband occasionally go to the NASCAR races at Sears Point, which I always think is funny since I have actual redneck relatives in Texas, but they aren't interested in NASCAR at all. I always assumed most of the fans drove in from the Central Valley, but maybe Sears Point NASCAR races are more like a yuppie blues festival than they are like the races in Tennessee or wherever.

Anyway, I thought of my aunt when I submitted this article.

/Subby.
 
2012-09-24 03:42:15 PM  

Leeds: anwserman: Donna Noble approves.

But in the very end, does she really?

It granted her a far more exciting life, yes. But one that was erased...


She saved the earth, so it was good for the rest of us.
 
2012-09-24 03:48:13 PM  
Headline is repeat from previous lap
 
2012-09-24 03:49:25 PM  
We may be in trouble here...Obama is losing the Walmart vote. That's at least 90% of the country.
 
2012-09-24 03:50:32 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Dr Dreidel: So a statistically small group of people (out of ~100,000, what percentage you think travels more than 50 miles?) making the trek extrapolates to "people who live over an hour away are just as likely (or more likely) to go as people who live within an hour"?

// "not likely to" is a phrase I used for just that reason
// but I admit I know next to nothing about NASCAR and its many fans

According to this article from Nascar, the average attendee travels 250 miles to watch the race. That's not 700 miles, granted, but it's a lot further than 50 miles.

Nascar are big bidness... ;^)


See, that's some data. I now admit that I stand corrected.
 
2012-09-24 03:51:21 PM  

r1chard3: Leeds: anwserman: Donna Noble approves.

But in the very end, does she really?

It granted her a far more exciting life, yes. But one that was erased...

She saved the earth, so it was good for the rest of us.


In the end I'm not so sure. How can we know the earth would require the same saving if she had never joined with the Doc and messed with all that timey wimey stuff?

Unknowable!
 
2012-09-24 04:11:20 PM  

gulogulo: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: My gay uncle is a huge NASCAR fan, and I think the only one in the family. He also used to race stock cars as a semi-pro, demolition derby, etc.

Well..your sample is an n of 1.

/griiiiiiiin.


My point exactly ;)
 
2012-09-24 04:17:36 PM  

Dr Dreidel: StoneColdAtheist: According to this article from Nascar, the average attendee travels 250 miles to watch the race. That's not 700 miles, granted, but it's a lot further than 50 miles.

Nascar are big bidness... ;^)

See, that's some data. I now admit that I stand corrected.


Hey, hey...not to worry. Anyway, the article reminded me of a csb...

Some years ago I flew into Frankfurt one fall Sunday evening their time, and the AF bussed us to a little town a bit south of the airport. After checking in I asked the Frau if there was anyplace we could get a hot meal, and she told me of a place a few blocks away. After changing clothes we headed over that way, only to almost turn back when we noticed that the building was dark and silent. Just as we were about to leave the door opened as someone left, and we could see light and hear a bit of noise coming from the interior, so in we went.

Imagine our surprise to walk down the hallway into a largish sports bar with a huge (like 12' diameter) projection screen on one wall showing an NFL game, and that afternoon's NASCAR race showing on an opposite and identical screen. Both with the volume turned well up. There must have been most of a hundred German fans in there, drinking and eating and cheering on their favorites.

Needless to say, we had a good time. /csb
 
2012-09-24 04:36:45 PM  

imontheinternet: Obama's secret socialist agenda of making people, even former Real Americans, dependent on the government is finally paying off. Next, he will start enslaving white people in FEMA camps and selling them to the Chinese to pay off the national debt.


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2012-09-24 04:36:50 PM  
Coriolanus. What must I say?
'I pray, sir,'-Plague upon't! I cannot bring
My tongue to such a pace. 'Look, sir, my wounds!
I got them in my country's service, when
Some certain of your brethren roar'd and ran
From the noise of our own drums.'
Menenius. O me! the gods!
You must not speak of that: you must desire them
To think upon you.
Cor. Think upon me! Hang 'em!
I would they would forget me, like the virtues
Which our divines lose by 'em.
Men. You'll mar all:
I'll leave you. Pray you, speak to 'em, I pray you,
In wholesome manner.
Cor. Bid them wash their faces,
And keep their teeth clean. [Exit MENENIUS.
So, here comes a brace.

Re-enter two Citizens.

You know the cause, sir, of my standing here?
First Cit. We do, sir; tell us what hath brought you to 't.
Cor. Mine own desert.
Sec. Cit. Your own desert!
Cor. Ay, not mine own desire.
First Cit. How! not your own desire?
Cor. No, sir, 'twas never my desire yet to trouble the poor with begging.
First Cit. You must think, if we give you any thing, we hope to gain by you.
Cor. Well, then, I pray, your price o' the consulship?
First Cit. The price is, to ask it kindly.
Cor. Kindly! sir, I pray, let me ha 't: I have wounds to show you, which shall be yours in private. Your good voice, sir; what say you?
Sec. Cit. You shall ha 't, worthy sir.
Cor. A match, sir. There is in all two worthy voices begged. I have your alms: adieu.
First Cit. But this is something odd.
Sec. Cit. An 'twere to give again,-but 'tis no matter. [Exeunt the two Citizens.
 
2012-09-24 04:37:08 PM  

MFAWG: rudemix: I'm sure some idiot will start an unfounded rumor to try and fix this. "Obama wants to ban our racing cars cuz pollution and the viroment"

That went around last time, didn't work.


It's NASCAR. Expect it to go around a couple hundred more times.
 
2012-09-24 04:39:26 PM  
It couldn't be because NASCAR fans are more likely to have a friend or family member in the military (or a veteran), could it?

Obama has done quite a few nice things for veterans lately.
 
2012-09-24 04:40:29 PM  
fenianfark:
i47.photobucket.com
Hehe, awesome pic!

Is that a pack of Marlboros in his pocket or is he just happy to see them? Maybe both?
 
2012-09-24 04:45:59 PM  

Dr Dreidel: If you don't live within an hour of a NASCAR track, you're not likely to get to a race (and even if you do live close, maybe one or two a year? you move farther away a quickly as you can).

 
2012-09-24 04:50:18 PM  

downstairs: As a NASCAR fan (and someone who would most likely vote for Obama without a viable 3rd party)... I'm rather surprised.  Many fans of NASCAR are not uneducated hicks from the south... but its still a large portion of the fanbase unfortunately (judging by how many confederate flags I see during tailgating.)


I used to have a neighbor who was a huge NASCAR fan. He was also a retired mortgage broker (50 years) and had a lot of political connections. Nice guy.
 
2012-09-24 04:58:40 PM  
This explains the weird Zogby polling call we got this weekend. The poll's first question asked if we thought the country was going in the right direction, then all the following calls asked about college football. For some reason, the Big Ten conference was not among the first few questions, and we live in Ohio (but GO BLUE!) It was the strangest of all the polls we've had, and that included a poll that kept asking why I was voting for Romney (I'm not).
 
2012-09-24 05:44:16 PM  
i935.photobucket.com
But they have so much in common!
 
2012-09-24 06:08:26 PM  

downstairs: As a NASCAR fan (and someone who would most likely vote for Obama without a viable 3rd party)... I'm rather surprised.  Many fans of NASCAR are not uneducated hicks from the south... but its still a large portion of the fanbase unfortunately (judging by how many confederate flags I see during tailgating.)


Ive heard their tailgating is epic. For that reason ive always respected nascar fans
 
2012-09-24 06:09:41 PM  
I remember last year when Jill Biden and Michelle Obama went to the last race of the year at Homestead Florida.

There were quite a few boos when they were announced... I felt bad for them. Afterwards I talked to some people who were at the race who said that the people who were booing were shouted down by "some of the most backwoods people you would never expect to travel beyond their own yards" and promptly drummed out of the area.

Then again, they were there for a fundraiser for wounded veterans and their families, so I think it might have been less political in that instance.

/NASCAR loving Dem
 
2012-09-24 06:11:14 PM  

Smackledorfer: downstairs: As a NASCAR fan (and someone who would most likely vote for Obama without a viable 3rd party)... I'm rather surprised.  Many fans of NASCAR are not uneducated hicks from the south... but its still a large portion of the fanbase unfortunately (judging by how many confederate flags I see during tailgating.)

Ive heard their tailgating is epic. For that reason ive always respected nascar fans



God yeah.  Many people do it all weekend.  When we go to the Coca Cola 600 (a night race)... we start tailgating at 10am.  Breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
 
And at most tracks you can bring in your own booze and food.   And you have in/out prevlidges.
 
NASCAR knows how to treat their fans.
 
2012-09-24 07:28:17 PM  
Boogity?
 
2012-09-24 08:51:25 PM  

coeyagi: I might have to sit this one out.


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LordOfThePings: Maybe NASCAR is attracting more new fans who are Democrats, rather than Obama attracting more new supporters who like NASCAR.


Most likely.

Here are the basic demographics for NASCAR fans as of 2009-2010. (PDF)

It's been the demographics of who is a NASCAR fan that has been changing over time. That's going to come with incidental effects like this that break brains.
 
2012-09-24 09:26:04 PM  

Jensaarai: coeyagi: I might have to sit this one out.

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LordOfThePings: Maybe NASCAR is attracting more new fans who are Democrats, rather than Obama attracting more new supporters who like NASCAR.

Most likely.

Here are the basic demographics for NASCAR fans as of 2009-2010. (PDF)

It's been the demographics of who is a NASCAR fan that has been changing over time. That's going to come with incidental effects like this that break brains.


It's called snark. I am not sitting anything out. And that demo chart doesn't mean anything without looking at fans' politics. There can be wealthy fans too who vote solidly against their own self-interests. Lottery tickets, insurance fraud and counterfeiting are all cottage industries in NASCAR country (that is also snark; the demographics may be shifting, but watching left turns is never going to get this liberal to watch).
 
2012-09-24 10:30:01 PM  
Lib NASCAR fan here, I enjoy the sport, if you go to one of these events it is pretty easy to get hooked. They have the friendliest and most open access to the inner workings and people than any other sport i have attended live. I like the technological aspect off the sport as well as the competition. For me, it is much more enjoyable watching it on television than football. With football you sit down for 3 1/2 hours to see an hour of the sport which in reality is about 15 minutes of field play.
 
2012-09-24 10:44:43 PM  
davidtlamb.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-24 11:27:05 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Dr Dreidel: StoneColdAtheist: When I was stationed in Altus, Oklahoma, some of my neighbors were part of a big crown of local Nascar fans that caravaned the 700 miles to Talladega, Alabama twice a year for the races. They were die-hard.

So a statistically small group of people (out of ~100,000, what percentage you think travels more than 50 miles?) making the trek extrapolates to "people who live over an hour away are just as likely (or more likely) to go as people who live within an hour"?

// "not likely to" is a phrase I used for just that reason
// your anecdote is still valid, I guess, but proof of nothing
// but I admit I know next to nothing about NASCAR and its many fans

According to this article from Nascar, the average attendee travels 250 miles to watch the race. That's not 700 miles, granted, but it's a lot further than 50 miles.

Nascar are big bidness... ;^)


That's what you get when there's only one event each weekend, as opposed to a dozen or more a weekend for NFL, and several just about every single day for NBA and MLB and NHL. I'm sure you'd get similar travel distance numbers for other once a weekend sports like tennis and golf.
 
2012-09-25 12:33:42 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: FTA: And among those sympathetic to the tea party, Romney holds a 75 to 17 percent edge.

WTF? If this guy only has 3/4 of the tea party vote, he's totally farked. That's like Netanyahu having 17% of the Iranian vote.


Actually, it's more like Ahmadinejad getting 17% of the Israeli vote. Iran is actually a very diverse and relatively pro western country, they just have a crazy, unaccountable government. Netanyahu might not be able to muster 17%, but a more moderate Israeli probably could.
 
2012-09-25 01:07:11 AM  
While NASCAR fans may be be a little conservative, I don't think they are necessarily objectivist teapartiers or Christian 'social conservatives'.

It is entirely possible the Republican party went to the right.
 
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