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(Huffington Post)   Colorado may well be the first state to legalize marijuana. Like, as in, you can grow your own pot plants and give it to your friends kind of legalize. Sucks to be you, California   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 370
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2012-09-24 12:25:55 PM
i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 12:28:53 PM
Rhode Island backed off implementing medical marijuana. State law requires state licenses. The feds warned state officials that they might go to prison as co-conspirators for giving out licenses. If state officials kept out of prison their list of licenses would still be subject to subpoena. Colorado's scheme has the same vulnerability. For now legalization should have no permits or taxes specific to marijuana, nothing to leave a paper trail.
 
2012-09-24 12:43:24 PM
I am trusting other Farkers to be better read, here...But don't the licensing requirements only apply for commercial production and sale? If legal=legal, in the state of Colorado, it would seem to be a non-starter for local LEOs to be asking who can and cannot grow weed in their yard. Am I missing something? Is it the cold medicine?
 
2012-09-24 12:46:17 PM

skink: I am trusting other Farkers to be better read, here...But don't the licensing requirements only apply for commercial production and sale? If legal=legal, in the state of Colorado, it would seem to be a non-starter for local LEOs to be asking who can and cannot grow weed in their yard. Am I missing something? Is it the cold medicine?



I think its akin to homebrewing beer.  Its legal to do it (there is some limit of some sort that I think is far above what even the most serious hobbyists would reach).  Its legal to give it away.  Not legal to sell.
 
2012-09-24 12:55:50 PM
Then I need ZAZ to post again and explain his post.

It would be funny if the Colorado position was essentially the Hunter S. Thompson position...That any drug worth doing should be given away, not sold.
 
2012-09-24 12:58:12 PM
Good.

One of the best things about moving to the Netherlands is my confirmation that society does not go insane if you legalize stuff like pot and prostitutes and gay marriage. Still chugging along just fine, thanks.

/see some of you at the Amsterdam Fark party this weekend
 
2012-09-24 01:00:53 PM
Should have used the spliffy tag.
 
2012-09-24 01:06:50 PM
When California last tried legalization, the NorCal growers and a bunch of the dispensary owners helped fund the fight against it. The growers were complaining that their margins had already been hit by medical-mj, and that legalization would allow too much competition and further lower their margins. The dispensaries were against it, because despite the law saying they needed to be non-profit, many of them are set up in such a way to pay a lot of money to the owners (See the guy on Survivor from a few years ago who was bragging about all the money he was making as a dispensary owner).

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

/California has decriminalized it by the way. The most you get now is a ticket for possession if you couldn't be bothered to jump through the medical-MJ hoops.
 
2012-09-24 01:09:38 PM
Huffington Post?

More like Puffington Host, amirite!
 
2012-09-24 01:11:46 PM
I like where this is headed. Congress and the Fed won't do anything to legalize it despite the fact that a majority of citizens now support outright legalization. If more states flat out legalize it, it could be argued that it's a legitimate State's Rights issue...and it will weaken the DEA.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 01:19:17 PM
I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.

If I'm governor of Colorado I tell the DEA I am doing my legal duty and directing my employees not to grant any licenses to commit federal crimes. DEA agents are of course welcome to bust anybody caught growing or smoking the demon weed, but they'll have to do their own legwork.

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized. Raw marijuana is presumed not to generate an odor in legal quantities and they can still search you if they smell it.
 
2012-09-24 01:21:31 PM

slayer199: I like where this is headed. Congress and the Fed won't do anything to legalize it despite the fact that a majority of citizens now support outright legalization. If more states flat out legalize it, it could be argued that it's a legitimate State's Rights issue...and it will weaken the DEA.


I'm wondering how a movement to implement a Constitutional amendment through the state convention process would work. The amendment would be something along the lines of "US Gov't can't enforce marijuana laws within the U.S." or something like that.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 01:22:20 PM
slayer199

As a political concept states' rights might gain traction with outright legalization.

As a legal concept the Supreme Court voted 6-3 that states have no rights. (Gonzales v. Raich)
 
2012-09-24 01:23:48 PM
Rocky Mountain high... Colorado...

Rocky Mountain high... High in Colorado...
 
2012-09-24 01:28:26 PM
If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.
 
2012-09-24 01:48:11 PM
Uh, yeah, the DEA would like a word with you, Colorado...
 
2012-09-24 01:50:37 PM
UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.
 
2012-09-24 01:53:39 PM

scottydoesntknow: Huffington Post?

More like Puffington Host, amirite!


Funny.

It should be legalized everywhere. Resources should be spent busting meth cookers and bath salt sellers, ya know, the drugs that are a threat to the safety of the rest of us.
 
2012-09-24 02:02:42 PM

Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.


Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.
 
2012-09-24 02:15:22 PM

scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.


Also Marinol.
 
2012-09-24 02:20:14 PM
It's a farking weed.
Legalize it.
Grow it for fun and profit.
Why does America hate agronomy?
 
2012-09-24 02:22:26 PM

jaylectricity: scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.

Also Marinol.


Marinol sucks ass though. Since big pharma would have no way of capitalizing on legalization, they decided to synthesize THC and put it in pill form. The only problem with that is the patients hate it and routinely switch back to the grown cannabis. The effects of marinol take anywhere from 1-3 hours to take effect, wheras smoking it takes effect immediately. Since the pill comes in predetermined doses, the patient's can't control intake either, and many complain of effects being too-intense.
 
2012-09-24 02:26:50 PM
It's funny how many assume that these legalization efforts only affect the states that pass them (their neighbors tend to benefit, too).
 
2012-09-24 02:27:35 PM
If only they'd have the balls to arrest DEA agents. Now that would be exciting.
 
2012-09-24 02:28:08 PM
How about bartering? Can I barter for marijuana?
 
2012-09-24 02:28:38 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


Are you saying that like it's a bad thing?
 
2012-09-24 02:28:46 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.



OBAMNEY will NOT tolerate such insubordination!

Just say NO to State's Rights!
 
2012-09-24 02:29:39 PM

ZAZ: Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized.


As long as they can detain drivers who smell of it I have no problem.

/Smoke all you want just not in the car.
 
2012-09-24 02:29:50 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Well that's pretty selfish of you.
 
2012-09-24 02:29:59 PM
Massachusetts already sort of legalized up to an ounce. You can get a ticket, but they usually don't bother. Although you can't buy it in stores. Saved the state millions in legal costs. Tax it would be a good step.
 
2012-09-24 02:31:49 PM
Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?
 
2012-09-24 02:31:52 PM
Headline, six months later: Colorado in the midst of historical 250% budget surplus.
 
2012-09-24 02:32:18 PM

downstairs: I think its akin to homebrewing beer. Its legal to do it (there is some limit of some sort that I think is far above what even the most serious hobbyists would reach). Its legal to give it away. Not legal to sell.


100 gallons of beer + 100 gallons of wine for a single adult. 200 + 200 for a household with more than one adult.
 
2012-09-24 02:32:32 PM
and then the colorado spring's freepers....

www.ezimages.net

/spring freepers!
 
2012-09-24 02:32:44 PM

AbbeySomeone: scottydoesntknow: Huffington Post?

More like Puffington Host, amirite!

Funny.

It should be legalized everywhere. Resources should be spent busting meth cookers and bath salt sellers, ya know, the drugs that are a threat to the safety of the rest of us.



remodelista.com

I understand busting meth cookers, but why do you want to bathe salt cellars?
 
2012-09-24 02:33:40 PM
Way too many "ifs" in that article. Gather your seeds just in case.
 
2012-09-24 02:33:59 PM
Yeah right, you forget where Focus on the Family is based out of.

The Feds will squash this in no time flat.
 
2012-09-24 02:34:00 PM

scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.


OK. As soon as they want to make all odorless versions legal, I'm all for that.

If I ruled the world, I would not have to smell like anyone's nasty habit against my will.
 
2012-09-24 02:34:03 PM
Someone think of all of the unemployed cops.
 
2012-09-24 02:34:21 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


I don't like the way it smells so people should go to jail for this! And it still won't stop my neighbors from smoking it!
 
2012-09-24 02:35:08 PM

Glendale: Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?



Unconstitutional
"federal crime".


/Unconstawhut???
 
2012-09-24 02:35:15 PM
Three-Fifty 2012-09-24 01:50:37 PM


UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.




I agree! That's why I'm also voting for an initiative to make seafood illegal. And farting.
 
2012-09-24 02:35:22 PM
Legalize it, and then tax the bejesus out of it. Everyone wins.
 
2012-09-24 02:35:37 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


Yeah--but I'm not exactly sure why. I don't buy the argument that Big Pharma is scared of pot. I'd be willing to bet they are ready for it, medical grade pot or some kind of THC patch or something. Am I supposed to believe that the alcohol industry is afraid and lobbying against it? I know a ton of people, legal or not, that will smoke and drink, just smoke, or just drink. I don't buy that either.

Why do we still care?
 
2012-09-24 02:35:57 PM

ShawnDoc: When California last tried legalization, the NorCal growers and a bunch of the dispensary owners helped fund the fight against it. The growers were complaining that their margins had already been hit by medical-mj, and that legalization would allow too much competition and further lower their margins. The dispensaries were against it, because despite the law saying they needed to be non-profit, many of them are set up in such a way to pay a lot of money to the owners (See the guy on Survivor from a few years ago who was bragging about all the money he was making as a dispensary owner).

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

/California has decriminalized it by the way. The most you get now is a ticket for possession if you couldn't be bothered to jump through the medical-MJ hoops.


My Uncle grows it in the mountains in CA and he is totally against legalization. It is crazy. He could easily go to jail for years if anyone found his farm, but because of the money he makes he hates the idea of it being illegal. Crazy.
 
2012-09-24 02:36:05 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


www.vaporlot.com

and the smell is not why you are voting against it. Your argument is specious.
 
HBK
2012-09-24 02:36:08 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


3/10

Should've bought a house.
 
2012-09-24 02:36:14 PM

Three-Fifty: scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.

OK. As soon as they want to make all odorless versions legal, I'm all for that.

If I ruled the world, I would not have to smell like anyone's nasty habit against my will.


Thank god you don't rule the world then
 
2012-09-24 02:36:36 PM

Three-Fifty: scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.

OK. As soon as they want to make all odorless versions legal, I'm all for that.

If I ruled the world, I would not have to smell like anyone's nasty habit against my will.



THIS!


/Also fish!
 
2012-09-24 02:36:37 PM

AbbeySomeone: It should be legalized everywhere. Resources should be spent busting meth cookers and bath salt sellers, ya know, the drugs that are a threat to the safety of the rest of us.


THIS X 1,000,000 !!!!

Take the criminal stigma away from pot to be considered like alcohol will get rid of the demand for meth and bath salts. Regulate it as such as over 18, don't toke and drive and all will be good.

When this happens I will buy stock in Frito-Lay As well as Weed Inc.
 
2012-09-24 02:36:40 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


This. Cunning plan, etc. For better or for worse, marijuana/THC is still a schedule 1 controlled substance. All this will do is stir up a hornet's nest of jurisdictional fights like it did in Cali. (See "State-Licensed Medical Dispensaries - DEA Raids On")
 
2012-09-24 02:36:51 PM

tricycleracer: How about bartering? Can I barter for marijuana?


If you're a personal friend of mine, yes.
 
2012-09-24 02:37:36 PM

Rurouni: Legalize it, and then tax the bejesus out of it. Everyone wins.


FTFY
 
2012-09-24 02:38:28 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Tah-dah! They already have! It's called "YOU DON'T HAVE TO SMOKE IT TO GET HIGH" You can just eat it. Have fun voting for it now that I've shown you the light.
 
2012-09-24 02:38:33 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: tricycleracer: How about bartering? Can I barter for marijuana?

If you're a personal friend of mine, yes.



Will trade grass for gas/ass.
 
2012-09-24 02:40:11 PM
Funny, I've had a legal cannabis based business in Colorady for over a year.
 
2012-09-24 02:40:11 PM

TimonC346: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

Yeah--but I'm not exactly sure why. I don't buy the argument that Big Pharma is scared of pot. I'd be willing to bet they are ready for it, medical grade pot or some kind of THC patch or something. Am I supposed to believe that the alcohol industry is afraid and lobbying against it? I know a ton of people, legal or not, that will smoke and drink, just smoke, or just drink. I don't buy that either.

Why do we still care?


They are scared of it because there is absolutely no way they can control or regulate it if people want to grow it themselves. They already have a pill out called Marinol which uses synthesized THC. Unfortunately the pill sucks and people who have it prescribed routinely drop it (because of price, dosage issues, time to take effect, etc.) in favor of the natural, grown kind.

If big pharma can't make money off a plant that has known beneficial effects, then they will do everything in their power to stop it from becoming legal. Why would you buy 13 different pills for your chemotherapy when one puff of a plant can alleviate all the issues at once?
 
2012-09-24 02:40:55 PM
For all intents and purposes, it IS legal in California, despite the dispensaries being closed down. It's just one extra step.
 
2012-09-24 02:41:13 PM

Tom_Slick: ZAZ: Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized.

As long as they can detain drivers who smell of it I have no problem.

/Smoke all you want just not in the car.


Any detectable amount in the blood will be used against drivers in accidents. Insurance will take note and jack up rates, as they should. There will be complaining ("Whoa, dude! Why should I have to pay extra just because I've lowered my reaction time by smoking pot non-stop since i was 14? You're just oppressing me, man.")
 
2012-09-24 02:41:29 PM
Does this mean that corperations iwll be able to grow it box it and sell it like any other local grower could?

I always find it weird that pot heads don't want to keep weed illegal and corporations don't want to make it legal. There is a lot of money to be made off of marijuana and with Tobacco being taxed through the roof selling weed is a great source of revenue. With weed legal though, pot heads wont be cool. If you can go to your local Walgreens and pick it up they completely lose there culture. It will be like Woodstock all over again.
 
2012-09-24 02:42:00 PM

Your Black Muslim Credit Union: Massachusetts already sort of legalized up to an ounce. You can get a ticket, but they usually don't bother. Although you can't buy it in stores. Saved the state millions in legal costs. Tax it would be a good step.


we have medical mj on the ballot this year. I'm hoping for a clean sweep of the measures. Make this a true liberal/logical bastion

1. allow repair shops get information on cars from dealers (or some such. It's one of those "really, that's not legal?" measures
2. assisted suicide
3. medical mj
 
2012-09-24 02:42:10 PM

scottydoesntknow: TimonC346: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

Yeah--but I'm not exactly sure why. I don't buy the argument that Big Pharma is scared of pot. I'd be willing to bet they are ready for it, medical grade pot or some kind of THC patch or something. Am I supposed to believe that the alcohol industry is afraid and lobbying against it? I know a ton of people, legal or not, that will smoke and drink, just smoke, or just drink. I don't buy that either.

Why do we still care?

They are scared of it because there is absolutely no way they can control or regulate it if people want to grow it themselves. They already have a pill out called Marinol which uses synthesized THC. Unfortunately the pill sucks and people who have it prescribed routinely drop it (because of price, dosage issues, time to take effect, etc.) in favor of the natural, grown kind.

If big pharma can't make money off a plant that has known beneficial effects, then they will do everything in their power to stop it from becoming legal. Why would you buy 13 different pills for your chemotherapy when one puff of a plant can alleviate all the issues at once?



Because smoking marijawanna is "burning incense to SATAN", that's why!
 
2012-09-24 02:42:11 PM

ZAZ: I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.


I think this was also the case for MMJ dispensaries - whose numbers shot through the roof until nearly every city in Northern Colorado decided to ban them. I think it just means that they would've been better off had they just started in unincorporated parts of the county.

This story's kinda funny, because we just had a huge drug bust locally: Link
 
2012-09-24 02:42:38 PM

Your Black Muslim Credit Union: Massachusetts already sort of legalized up to an ounce.


I think several states have already "decriminalized" it to an extent. You pretty much have to be also raping, stabbing, robbing, etc here in Seattle while smoking a joint to get any trouble from police, because marijuana usage was made "lowest priority" crime for the PD to concern themselves with it.
 
2012-09-24 02:43:15 PM
Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?
 
2012-09-24 02:43:44 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


If you've got people living under your condo (presumably in some sort of cave complex), I think you've got bigger worries than smelling some pot smoke...
 
2012-09-24 02:43:56 PM

ShawnDoc: /California has decriminalized it by the way. The most you get now is a ticket for possession if you couldn't be bothered to jump through the medical-MJ hoops.



Yeah, but the City of LA just passed a law to shut down the medical marijuana shops here. The whole thing is a farking clusterfark. Just legalize it, release all of the people in prison on MJ raps, and move on to more important things.
 
2012-09-24 02:44:07 PM

Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Something tells me you have your own ways of irritating the neighbors.
 
2012-09-24 02:44:19 PM
Yeah, trucks smell, all trucks should be illegal, in fact, only I should be allowed to drive on the road.
 
2012-09-24 02:45:18 PM

Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Like, is there a soundless version of your biatching?
 
2012-09-24 02:45:42 PM
i111.photobucket.com

"Welcome to Mile High Stadium - and I really am." 
 
2012-09-24 02:46:05 PM

tricycleracer: Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?


Yes and if Amendment 64 passes it will not affect a companies ability to fire or refuse to hire someone who smokes.
 
2012-09-24 02:47:13 PM
As a Californian who isn't a pothead, I don't give a flying fark about this. Doesn't suck to be California; Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.
 
2012-09-24 02:47:24 PM
How are the jobs in CO? Much software going out there.

No reason.... just asking.

Hear it's lovely...
 
2012-09-24 02:47:49 PM

Amos Quito: Ow! That was my feelings!: tricycleracer: How about bartering? Can I barter for marijuana?

If you're a personal friend of mine, yes.


Will trade grass for gas/ass.


and bacon.
 
2012-09-24 02:48:00 PM

Glendale: Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?


LOL
 
2012-09-24 02:48:42 PM

ZAZ: Rhode Island backed off implementing medical marijuana. State law requires state licenses. The feds warned state officials that they might go to prison as co-conspirators for giving out licenses. If state officials kept out of prison their list of licenses would still be subject to subpoena. Colorado's scheme has the same vulnerability. For now legalization should have no permits or taxes specific to marijuana, nothing to leave a paper trail.


Except Colorado's medical marijuana laws are an amendment to the State's Constitution. Little harder to get rid of or deny that way.
 
2012-09-24 02:49:17 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


Interstate Commerce Clause, biyaches. The 2005 SCOTUS case Gonzales v. Raich clarified that very subject- the ICC provision of the US Constitution DOES mean federal laws on marijuana supersede state laws allowing it.

Actually, a law "allowing something" is a funky case, although hardly unique. The US system of laws and rights holds that unless something is specifically illegal, it is your right to do so. As such, it's unnecessary to make laws saying it's LEGAL to do something.

Not all govts hold to this. Certain dictatorships make it clear "in practice" that you're supposed to "do things" only as directed by the govt. That's a polar opposite of rights.

It is my right to grow sunflowers and no law is needed to say I may grow sunflowers, you don't WANT a system of law which requires specific permission from the govt to DO any given thing.
It is common for laws to state things are unlawful, but list EXCEPTIONS of what is not unlawful in the test. That's a subtle difference, though. It's limiting what you're making illegal in the scope of the law, but not a law asserting it is legal to do something.

Sure, we still have bureaucracy where "you must get car insurance". But that's not actually the law. You must get car insurance to drive on public roads. And that's not the law- the law says it's "unlawful to drive on public roads unless insured", and would never say "you may drive on public roads with insurance". Subtle but important wording difference, especially when trying to combine overlapping.laws. Logically it's very difficult to combine "you may drive with insurance" and "you may drive with a Driver's License", that's an OR condition. "It is unlawful to drive on public roads without a licence" and "it is unlawful to drive without insurance" logically interact with no ambiguity.
 
2012-09-24 02:50:18 PM
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As a Californian who isn't a pothead, I don't give a flying fark about this. Doesn't suck to be California; Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.




You should really try expanding your mind a little.
Then maybe you'd know someone else is banging your woman.
 
2012-09-24 02:50:44 PM
So much agitation about the stupid act of inhaling smoke from burning vegetation.

Legalize it because it helps identify the stupid and the Federal government can then shift its efforts to controlling illegal immigration.
 
2012-09-24 02:51:29 PM
But but but. Think of all the DEA agents and cops that will be put out of work and how much money the private prisons, gun, ammo, and armor manufactures will lose out on.
 
2012-09-24 02:51:39 PM

jjwars1: Glendale: Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?

LOL


Why is that funny? Doesn't the federal law have to be changed too?
 
2012-09-24 02:52:35 PM

scottydoesntknow: TimonC346: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

Yeah--but I'm not exactly sure why. I don't buy the argument that Big Pharma is scared of pot. I'd be willing to bet they are ready for it, medical grade pot or some kind of THC patch or something. Am I supposed to believe that the alcohol industry is afraid and lobbying against it? I know a ton of people, legal or not, that will smoke and drink, just smoke, or just drink. I don't buy that either.

Why do we still care?

They are scared of it because there is absolutely no way they can control or regulate it if people want to grow it themselves. They already have a pill out called Marinol which uses synthesized THC. Unfortunately the pill sucks and people who have it prescribed routinely drop it (because of price, dosage issues, time to take effect, etc.) in favor of the natural, grown kind.

If big pharma can't make money off a plant that has known beneficial effects, then they will do everything in their power to stop it from becoming legal. Why would you buy 13 different pills for your chemotherapy when one puff of a plant can alleviate all the issues at once?


Yeah--I assume so. There has been so much out there about how pot really doesn't do much, article, studies, etc. I've never looked into who funded them. More and more though, when I speak to people who know or knew cancer victims, one common thread is that marijuana helps in a way nothing else does--especially in the case of chemotherapy nausea. Now that it's been shown to combat certain forms of cancer...well, perhaps you are correct.
 
2012-09-24 02:52:38 PM
You would think big corporations would have jumped on this years ago. Lobbying for its legalization and putting a brand on it making it available for all. Maybe they just don't know what kind of money can be made.
 
2012-09-24 02:53:26 PM

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: For all intents and purposes, it IS legal in California, despite the dispensaries being closed down. It's just one extra step.


Exactly. Because of my friend who was smoking while on chemo last year I met two dispensary owners who had their leases yanked, and who as a consequence became mobile dispensaries instead. This has VASTLY complicated already failing efforts to stamp out mj here. It's so easy here you just call your local dude who brings it to your house for cost plus a $10 tip (think pizza delivery). And because there is no more store rent and employees to pay, the price is going down.
 
2012-09-24 02:53:47 PM
I have a relative that works growing for a dispensary. So, after reading all the comments I'm really getting a kick..

/legalize it already
//making regular trips to CO for a "visit"
///we need a SPLIFFY tag!!
 
2012-09-24 02:54:12 PM
If Amendment 64 passes, it will become almost immediately legal under Colorado law for adults to possess, grow, consume and give away up to an ounce of marijuana.

Wait, how do you GROW AN OUNCE of marijuana?? I'm picturing a little dwarf-bonsai version of a cannabis plant... your plant could be illegally large if allowed to grow full-size.
 
2012-09-24 02:55:53 PM
 
2012-09-24 02:56:02 PM
The smell issue is actually sort of interesting to think about. MJ smokes smells really, really strong. Definitely a more powerful smell than tobacco. Whether or not you find the smell offensive is besides the point: some people will and it's inconsiderate to subject them to either smell, really.

Anyways, I don't imagine this will go anywhere but enough baby steps will eventually get MJ out of the war on drugs. Even though I probably wouldn't smoke it, I'm all for legalization. It's madness to be waging an expensive war on MJ and putting people in prison for possession.
 
2012-09-24 02:56:53 PM
The same issue was on the statewide ballot here (Colorado) in 2006 and it failed by a wide margin.
The current governor, who made his living selling alcohol, opposes the issue.

I'll vote for it again, but I'll be surprised if it actually passes.
 
2012-09-24 02:56:55 PM

Glendale: Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?


Yes. And as long as the feds have it listed as a controlled subsance, it'll be illegal. No state law can negate federal regulation, and the DEA and ATF make their living on it. It'll prolly take a civil war to break the stalemate.
 
2012-09-24 02:57:45 PM

xl5150: As a Californian who isn't a pothead, I don't give a flying fark about this. Doesn't suck to be California; Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.



So you don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted fighting a "war" on a substance that is no more harmful than alcohol and cigarettes? You don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted on incarcerating people for this? You don't care that the lives of your fellow citizens are being ruined over this?

You don't have to personally partake of marijuana to care about the insanity of our marijuana laws, which do affect you whether you want to believe it or not. Also, not all people who smoke marijuana are "potheads."
 
2012-09-24 02:59:29 PM
Meanwhile in South Park, Randy Marsh wipes his brow, and sheds a tear as he realizes he can take his testicles out of the microwave at long last. What do they want? Bigger doors. Where do they want them? In weed stores. A half pound of Alabama Kush, and a quarter pound of Rainy Day Woman.
 
2012-09-24 03:00:37 PM

Oznog: Actually, a law "allowing something" is a funky case, although hardly unique. The US system of laws and rights holds that unless something is specifically illegal, it is your right to do so. As such, it's unnecessary to make laws saying it's LEGAL to do something.



Well, yeah, kinda.  But you can word a *restrictive* law in a way that makes other things *unrestricted*
 
You'd start by saying pot is illegal to possess at X weight and above, and illegal to sell.  You've created a restrictive law but also documented that it is LEGAL to own pot at X weight and below.
 
2012-09-24 03:00:39 PM
I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.
 
2012-09-24 03:01:07 PM

Oznog: If Amendment 64 passes, it will become almost immediately legal under Colorado law for adults to possess, grow, consume and give away up to an ounce of marijuana.

Wait, how do you GROW AN OUNCE of marijuana?? I'm picturing a little dwarf-bonsai version of a cannabis plant... your plant could be illegally large if allowed to grow full-size.


I am picturing thousands of 1 oz. bags to give away after a charitable donation.
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2012-09-24 03:02:38 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.


Yep, it's horrible here...
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2012-09-24 03:02:40 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


The justice department has already told California that they would vigorously enforce the federal ban on MJ if the voters there approved a similar measure to legalize recreational use. It lost. Although the DoJ has not yet spoken up about this amendment (it is an election year), I predict it will fail. This is because 47% support the measure and 38% don't, with 15% still undecided. The majority of the undecideds will, in all probability, decide against it. One wither sees the use of MJ as a personal and mostly harmless choice or something bad that other people shouldn't be allowed to do. Americans love to prevent others from doing the things they disapprove of. The legalization of recreational MJ use will come, but not this year, I'm betting. There are still too many people who believe that MJ is a gateway drug and the MJ users are sex-crazed maniacs and losers.
 
2012-09-24 03:03:18 PM

Jument: The smell issue is actually sort of interesting to think about. MJ smokes smells really, really strong. Definitely a more powerful smell than tobacco. Whether or not you find the smell offensive is besides the point: some people will and it's inconsiderate to subject them to either smell, really.

Anyways, I don't imagine this will go anywhere but enough baby steps will eventually get MJ out of the war on drugs. Even though I probably wouldn't smoke it, I'm all for legalization. It's madness to be waging an expensive war on MJ and putting people in prison for possession.



I'm pretty damn sure that any state that legalizes pot were one of the first to have no-smoking-in-public laws.  And I'm sure pot smoking is incuded in such.  Or would be ammended.
 
Because technically you can get a little high from second hand pot smoke, can't you?
 
/Don't smoke pot, maybe that's a myth.
 
2012-09-24 03:03:18 PM
As a Colorado resident, I'm happy to see this progressing.
 
2012-09-24 03:03:26 PM
The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)
 
2012-09-24 03:05:24 PM

ZAZ: I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.

If I'm governor of Colorado I tell the DEA I am doing my legal duty and directing my employees not to grant any licenses to commit federal crimes. DEA agents are of course welcome to bust anybody caught growing or smoking the demon weed, but they'll have to do their own legwork.

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized. Raw marijuana is presumed not to generate an odor in legal quantities and they can still search you if they smell it.


If I'm the governor of any state where the feds are harassing and arresting my citizens for stupid shiat like cannabis, or gay marriage, I'm driving tanks through their farking office buildings.

IMO, state governors need to get together and show the feds who the fark actually runs this country, the CITIZENS. Gay marriage and cannabis are but two issues where the CITIZENS say "Change that shiat...", and the feds just need to fark right off and accept the g'damn will of the people.
 
2012-09-24 03:05:24 PM
Yet another on my list of states to avoid.
 
2012-09-24 03:05:55 PM
Didn't you guys know that the story "Jack and his Beanstalk" was about marijuana?
 
2012-09-24 03:06:01 PM

Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)


The DEA will get zero help from any local law enforcement. They won't be even be able to put a dent in it if the try. They will have to ship every agent they have to CO.
 
2012-09-24 03:06:15 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


I'm pretty sure most of the smell is of cheap moldy stank leaves. Tobacco will smell just the same if you smoke the undried left laying around leaves. I'm pretty sure quality dried leaves don't leave much of a smell. Anyone know firsthand?
 
2012-09-24 03:06:53 PM

Hale-Bopp: DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens.


You may be right, but then the Federal Government could just hold back all Federal Funding to the State of Colorado until the law is repealed. Remember there are no States Rights anymore.
 
2012-09-24 03:07:23 PM

Lachwen: A similar bill will be voted on in Oregon come November.

Damn right I'm voting for it.


OCTA won't pass. It's horribly written - it's such a poor bill, it's receiving no financial contributions from the groups pushing the measure in WA and CO.
 
2012-09-24 03:07:48 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Don't let hippies in your crawl space. Put some cats and rats and badgers or big snakes down there.
 
2012-09-24 03:08:10 PM

Saruman_W: Yet another on my list of states to avoid.


good, we don't like self-righteous assholes out here.
 
2012-09-24 03:09:48 PM

smitty04: Oznog: If Amendment 64 passes, it will become almost immediately legal under Colorado law for adults to possess, grow, consume and give away up to an ounce of marijuana.

Wait, how do you GROW AN OUNCE of marijuana?? I'm picturing a little dwarf-bonsai version of a cannabis plant... your plant could be illegally large if allowed to grow full-size.

I am picturing thousands of 1 oz. bags to give away after a charitable donation.
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Really. Years ago a friend and I grew our own one summer. We spread them out and in locations that would make them difficult to find. We culled out all the males. We maintained only five plants which were carefully pruned. We grew ourselves some respectable weed. But we were surprised at the yield. We kept only the tops, which yielded nearly a pound of dried product. We shared with friends and were quite popular.
 
2012-09-24 03:10:29 PM
This will be interesting when the argument hits that my neighbor "gave" me the weed, then I "gave" him $100. No sale here.
 
2012-09-24 03:10:39 PM

Tom_Slick: Hale-Bopp: DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens.

You may be right, but then the Federal Government could just hold back all Federal Funding to the State of Colorado until the law is repealed. Remember there are no States Rights anymore.


That might be hard to do with the SCOTUS PPACA decision. If the funding is currently taking place, placing restrictions on that current funding might not be constitutional.

Essentially, the SCOTUS said that threatening to withhold current funding in order to adhere to new regulations is not permitted.
 
2012-09-24 03:11:25 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

This. Cunning plan, etc. For better or for worse, marijuana/THC is still a schedule 1 controlled substance. All this will do is stir up a hornet's nest of jurisdictional fights like it did in Cali. (See "State-Licensed Medical Dispensaries - DEA Raids On")


I'm pretty sure the DEA's reaction is part of NORML et al's cunning plan. The inevitable crackdown is only going to convince more people that the DEA is a fascistic organization that's hurting America, and support for legalization on the federal level will increase.
 
2012-09-24 03:12:13 PM
I think this is a huge states rights issue. Last I checked the 10th amendment states very clearly "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words, if the constitution neither grants permission to the federal government to control something, nor denies it to the states to control, then it is under state control.
 
2012-09-24 03:12:17 PM

Tom_Slick: Hale-Bopp: DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens.

You may be right, but then the Federal Government could just hold back all Federal Funding to the State of Colorado until the law is repealed. Remember there are no States Rights anymore.


While possible, it would take an act of Congress to withhold those funds. Not likely.
 
2012-09-24 03:14:35 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: ZAZ: I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.

If I'm governor of Colorado I tell the DEA I am doing my legal duty and directing my employees not to grant any licenses to commit federal crimes. DEA agents are of course welcome to bust anybody caught growing or smoking the demon weed, but they'll have to do their own legwork.

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized. Raw marijuana is presumed not to generate an odor in legal quantities and they can still search you if they smell it.

If I'm the governor of any state where the feds are harassing and arresting my citizens for stupid shiat like cannabis, or gay marriage, I'm driving tanks through their farking office buildings.

IMO, state governors need to get together and show the feds who the fark actually runs this country, the CITIZENS. Gay marriage and cannabis are but two issues where the CITIZENS say "Change that shiat...", and the feds just need to fark right off and accept the g'damn will of the people.


It's amusing how "states rights!" liberals get once they learn how US government actually works.
 
2012-09-24 03:15:05 PM

Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)


We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.
 
2012-09-24 03:16:04 PM
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2012-09-24 01:28:26 PM

If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

>> *** Hypocrate like typing detected *** <<



Obama's War on Pot
In a shocking about-face, the administration has launched a government-wide crackdown on medical marijuana

link



// i know, I know.. it's only wrong when republicans do it.
 
2012-09-24 03:16:38 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Saruman_W: Yet another on my list of states to avoid.

good, we don't like self-righteous assholes out here.


Agreed, no need for him to visit. And Focus on the Family can eat shiat too. I'll be voting for legalization and I don't even smoke it. If I did I could make a call and have a bag in 5 minutes.Or get a card (easy enough) and just buy it at a store.
 
2012-09-24 03:17:31 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.


There's yer problem. Hippies barely have enough money to cloth themselves, you think they have extra for good stuff? Their mentality is "Why buy an eighth of good stuff at $40, when I can get a half pound of ditch for the same price!"
 
2012-09-24 03:19:02 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


But we still have to put up with the smell of that crap you call "food" cooking, right?
 
2012-09-24 03:20:03 PM
Also, while marijuana vapor has a smell (its not all all like smoke), its dissipates quickly and leave no lasting scent unlike smoke.
 
2012-09-24 03:23:25 PM

malaktaus: The inevitable crackdown is only going to convince more people that the DEA is a fascistic organization that's hurting America, and support for legalization on the federal level will increase.


The fact that Mexico is bordering on failed state status should be enough to clue people in on that.
 
2012-09-24 03:23:33 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.


Yeah, but did you do it by ballot initiative and did it alter the state constitution as Amendment 64 is set to do? My understanding is that it's very hard to repeal a constitutional amendment, though I admit I don't know all the ins and outs there.
 
2012-09-24 03:25:48 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: That might be hard to do with the SCOTUS PPACA decision. If the funding is currently taking place, placing restrictions on that current funding might not be constitutional.

Essentially, the SCOTUS said that threatening to withhold current funding in order to adhere to new regulations is not permitted.



True for current funding, but remember a lot of Federal funding is in the form of grants that must be renewed every year.

Ow! That was my feelings!: While possible, it would take an act of Congress to withhold those funds. Not likely.


I would say very likely, there are very few politicians at the Federal level who would want to appear "soft on drugs"
 
2012-09-24 03:26:26 PM

shower_in_my_socks: xl5150: As a Californian who isn't a pothead, I don't give a flying fark about this. Doesn't suck to be California; Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.


So you don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted fighting a "war" on a substance that is no more harmful than alcohol and cigarettes? You don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted on incarcerating people for this? You don't care that the lives of your fellow citizens are being ruined over this?

You don't have to personally partake of marijuana to care about the insanity of our marijuana laws, which do affect you whether you want to believe it or not. Also, not all people who smoke marijuana are "potheads."


California spends hardly any money on marijuana enforcement. According to the state's current statistics, just 150 persons are in jail for marijuana possession, with another 513 in for distribution and 922 for 'possession for sale'. That's 1% of our state's prison population.
 
2012-09-24 03:26:27 PM
All the more reason to get a Republican back in the White House.

// Because Bush allowed California to pass its own laws and do their own thing but Obama has declared war on the dispensaries.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:08 PM
I hope we can get this done.

If we do NOT get federal goonsquads in here, great.

If we DO get them...well, maybe that's what it takes to get the "discussion" we were promised started.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:20 PM

Securitywyrm: I think this is a huge states rights issue. Last I checked the 10th amendment states very clearly "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words, if the constitution neither grants permission to the federal government to control something, nor denies it to the states to control, then it is under state control.


The commerce clause was used to interpret the 10th Amendment out of existence long ago.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:26 PM
Will do wonders for Colorado's tourism revenue.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:31 PM

JackieRabbit: Really. Years ago a friend and I grew our own one summer. We spread them out and in locations that would make them difficult to find. We culled out all the males. We maintained only five plants which were carefully pruned. We grew ourselves some respectable weed. But we were surprised at the yield. We kept only the tops, which yielded nearly a pound of dried product. We shared with friends and were quite popular.


Glad to see this got covered. Quite some time ago, I pulled 4 oz of decent bud from a single plant grown in a yard. If allowed grow strait up (for several reasons, I kept tying it horizontal) it wouldn't have been more than 6 ft.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:56 PM
If this does pass I suspect the population of Colorado to increase by 25,000 people a day.
 
2012-09-24 03:30:57 PM

Leeds: All the more reason to get a Republican back in the White House.

// Because Bush allowed California to pass its own laws and do their own thing but Obama has declared war on the dispensaries.


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2012-09-24 03:34:02 PM

Killer Cars: malaktaus: The inevitable crackdown is only going to convince more people that the DEA is a fascistic organization that's hurting America, and support for legalization on the federal level will increase.

The fact that Mexico is bordering on failed state status should be enough to clue people in on that.


Most Americans don't give much of a shiat about what happens in foreign countries.
 
2012-09-24 03:34:14 PM

Hale-Bopp: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.

Yeah, but did you do it by ballot initiative and did it alter the state constitution as Amendment 64 is set to do? My understanding is that it's very hard to repeal a constitutional amendment, though I admit I don't know all the ins and outs there.


You probably have a different set-up in Colorado but pot was legalized by initiative in Arizona--at least medical marijuana in the latest reversal--but reversed by the legislature and the governor.
 
2012-09-24 03:35:42 PM
Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc
 
2012-09-24 03:35:44 PM
good luck getting out of the various laws Congress has passed and the international treaties that the US govt has entered into which make MJ illegal, CO.
 
2012-09-24 03:36:28 PM

WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?


Yup.
 
2012-09-24 03:38:18 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.

Yep, it's horrible here...
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The Bells are lovely this time of year.
 
2012-09-24 03:39:16 PM
it's all just a ploy to make sure the Nuggets stop losing all their best players.
 
2012-09-24 03:39:50 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: The Bells are lovely this time of year.


NO THEY"RE NOT!! DEADLY DANGEROUS!111!!1

DO NOT MOVE TO COLORADO111!!

IF YOU SEE COLORADO, MOVE THE OTHER WAY!!!11
 
2012-09-24 03:40:21 PM

Maechyll: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Yup.


What kind of farm contains only 6 plants?

My guess is- "nope"
 
2012-09-24 03:40:25 PM

scottydoesntknow: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.

There's yer problem. Hippies barely have enough money to cloth themselves, you think they have extra for good stuff? Their mentality is "Why buy an eighth of good stuff at $40, when I can get a half pound of ditch for the same price!"


Thus hippie has more than enough money to 'cloth' myself.

There's a difference between hippies, bums/nomads, and bliss bunnies.
Any one of these can be called 'hippies' but don't lump us all together. Man.

For example, I wear deoderant.
 
2012-09-24 03:40:52 PM

tricycleracer: Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?


Yep. That's a fact I've rarely seen come up in these groups. A private employer can always refuse to hire if you don't pass a drug test, including the testing for marijuana. And the fact is that while states may legalize or pseudo-legalize pot, it's still a federal offense so not strictly "legal" in the sense that you could sue an employer for discrimination for not hiring/retaining based on use.

I'm a pro-legal as it gets, FYI. I just don't think private industry is going to be disallowed to "discriminate" against pot users. Maybe if it passes federal law. I lived in COS and was in the process of getting a card, but I moved to IL for my job. Which is another thing to think of - if you move to a state where pot is not legal then...you better cleanse up or happy times getting employed.
 
2012-09-24 03:41:11 PM
Thus. Sheesh.
This.

Preview, shmeview.
 
2012-09-24 03:42:00 PM

TheMysticS: scottydoesntknow: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.

There's yer problem. Hippies barely have enough money to cloth themselves, you think they have extra for good stuff? Their mentality is "Why buy an eighth of good stuff at $40, when I can get a half pound of ditch for the same price!"

Thus hippie has more than enough money to 'cloth' myself.

There's a difference between hippies, bums/nomads, and bliss bunnies.
Any one of these can be called 'hippies' but don't lump us all together. Man.

For example, I wear deoderant.


Sell out. Power to the Stinky!!1!
 
2012-09-24 03:42:23 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.

Yep, it's horrible here...
peasinablog.com


Nice picture of Blue-bells mountain. I once hod my blue balls relieved right there at blue bells. (Just about 10 minutes up the trial that goes to the right of that pond.)

Good times. :)
 
2012-09-24 03:42:37 PM
Hey guys, I know joints smell bad and blah blah blah, but let me introduce you to my friend, the Atmosrx Stratus http://www.atmosrx.com/Stratus-Vaporizer-Kits/View-all-products.html

It is an ecigarrette that vaporizes hash oil. You can't smell it and it looks exactly like a normal e cig. You can buy a cartridge that you can refill yourself or you can buy cartridges at quite a few Colorado dispensaries. Also, all of the people hemming and hawing about the feds are missing the point. Colorado already has dispensaries that are under the most extensive and strict regulation in the country. They have implemented a "seed to sale" tracking system. All of the grow ops and dispensaries have cameras that feed back to the states and every marijuana purchase is attached to your medical card number. Sure there are some of them that are less than reputable, but the same could be said for many liquor stores. Many of them are actual pretty nice places with helpful staff and they are VERY serious about complying with laws and regulations.
 
2012-09-24 03:42:38 PM
Good luck with that Colorado. Neither one of the major candidate's DEA is likely to let you slide on that one. Mitt is outright against it and Obama has been putting away more potheads than Bush did.

/seriously...good luck.
 
2012-09-24 03:42:55 PM

cleek: good luck getting out of the various laws Congress has passed and the international treaties that the US govt has entered into which make MJ illegal, CO.


We don't have too. It is too expensive and pointless for the DEA to go after thousands and thousands of individual growers and consumers. It will remain illegal nationally, sure. But federal drugs laws concerning marijuana will, from a practical standpoint, become impossible to enforce in Colorado.  Hell, they already are impossible to enforce without Amendment 64 passing.
 
2012-09-24 03:43:02 PM

Leeds: Maechyll: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Yup.

What kind of farm contains only 6 plants?

My guess is- "nope"


Ahem...

http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/hemp
 
2012-09-24 03:44:32 PM

Leeds: Because Bush allowed California to pass its own laws and do their own thing but Obama has declared war on the dispensaries.


Heh. Because BUSH
 
2012-09-24 03:44:42 PM

Leeds: All the more reason to get a Republican back in the White House.

// Because Bush allowed California to pass its own laws and do their own thing but Obama has declared war on the dispensaries.


So you're saying that Obama is enforcing the law, and Bush didn't? Presidents should be able to choose which laws they want to enforce?

I don't agree with pot being illegal, but as long as it's law, it must be enforced.
 
2012-09-24 03:46:47 PM
It's on three state ballots for november and polling ahead in all of them. The govt will kick and scream for a while longer but it's all over but the crying. Marijuana will be legal soon enough. Of course there will be a rocky road for a while but this freight train ain't gonna be completely derailed .
 
2012-09-24 03:48:02 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Ow! That was my feelings!: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.

Yep, it's horrible here...
[peasinablog.com image 850x637]

The Bells are lovely this time of year.



Definitely. It's the best time of year for the changing colors in the Snowmass wilderness.


/Highly pissed I'm not able to get up there to climb this year...
 
2012-09-24 03:48:46 PM

make me some tea: Leeds: All the more reason to get a Republican back in the White House.

// Because Bush allowed California to pass its own laws and do their own thing but Obama has declared war on the dispensaries.

So you're saying that Obama is enforcing the law, and Bush didn't? Presidents should be able to choose which laws they want to enforce?

I don't agree with pot being illegal, but as long as it's law, it must be enforced.


Oversimplify much?

This is a states rights issue and nothing more.

A president can agree to defer to the individual states and let their laws stand, or a president can be a dick like Obama and choose to try to override the state's sovereignty by sending troops in to destroy legal crops.
 
2012-09-24 03:49:08 PM
is it me or have there been a lot of pot threads on fark this week?

All i know is, i'm about to become better friends with the people I know in Colorado. Like, I'ma come visit you once a month friends.
 
2012-09-24 03:49:47 PM

gizmanjr: Will do wonders for Colorado's tourism revenue.


Saving up right now!

If they re-legalize it, Colorado will most definitely be my next vacation getaway. I mean, we're talking history in the making here. I'm getting excited just thinking about it. To see legalization in my lifetime, even if just on the state level, gets me all giddy inside.
 
2012-09-24 03:50:22 PM

Lsherm: Hagenhatesyouall: ZAZ: I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.

If I'm governor of Colorado I tell the DEA I am doing my legal duty and directing my employees not to grant any licenses to commit federal crimes. DEA agents are of course welcome to bust anybody caught growing or smoking the demon weed, but they'll have to do their own legwork.

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized. Raw marijuana is presumed not to generate an odor in legal quantities and they can still search you if they smell it.

If I'm the governor of any state where the feds are harassing and arresting my citizens for stupid shiat like cannabis, or gay marriage, I'm driving tanks through their farking office buildings.

IMO, state governors need to get together and show the feds who the fark actually runs this country, the CITIZENS. Gay marriage and cannabis are but two issues where the CITIZENS say "Change that shiat...", and the feds just need to fark right off and accept the g'damn will of the people.

It's amusing how "states rights!" liberals get once they learn how US government actually works.


Yeah, except in this case it's not about buying and selling human beings.

Derp.
 
2012-09-24 03:50:42 PM

ZAZ: slayer199

As a political concept states' rights might gain traction with outright legalization.

As a legal concept the Supreme Court voted 6-3 that states have no rights. (Gonzales v. Raich)


This was Settled in 1865 Grant V Lee appomatox courthouse
 
2012-09-24 03:50:45 PM

WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc


yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.
 
2012-09-24 03:52:25 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: TheMysticS: scottydoesntknow: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.

There's yer problem. Hippies barely have enough money to cloth themselves, you think they have extra for good stuff? Their mentality is "Why buy an eighth of good stuff at $40, when I can get a half pound of ditch for the same price!"

Thus hippie has more than enough money to 'cloth' myself.

There's a difference between hippies, bums/nomads, and bliss bunnies.
Any one of these can be called 'hippies' but don't lump us all together. Man.

For example, I wear deoderant.

Sell out. Power to the Stinky!!1!


¦^D
 
2012-09-24 03:52:38 PM
There's a lot of chatter in this thread about what the DEA would do. Well, the answer is: very little. The DEA is charged with going after drug smugglers and growers, not sellers or back yard growers. While they may assist with the effort, it would be the FBI and federal marshals, who would enforce the law, should Eric Cantor elect to pursue the federal government's authority in regard to enforcement of the CSA. As for whether a state or local law enforcement officer would arrest a federal agent for doing his duty, don't count on it. Federal officers acting within jurisdiction take precedence over the locals and interference with them is a serious offense.

But busting the corner pot store would probably not be the US Government's tactic. Rather,they would just start withholding funding from the state until they complied. I agree that this is a states rights issue, but the government can place any conditions they desire to block grants and other funding they give to the states.
 
2012-09-24 03:53:50 PM

pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.


I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?
 
2012-09-24 03:55:01 PM
In other news Colorado may enter war against Federal Government, so I guess that makes Colorado the new Delaware. I for one support their declaration of independence against tyrany.
 
2012-09-24 03:55:17 PM

Hale-Bopp: If they re-legalize it, Colorado will most definitely be my next vacation getaway.


Put washington state on your list. Their legalization initiative is co-sponsored by the seattle city attorney among others.

http://www.newapproachwa.org/

/vote YES on 502
 
2012-09-24 03:56:09 PM

Leeds: pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.

I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?


Well, you could roll a great big big big big big spliff with it.
 
2012-09-24 03:57:21 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Leeds: pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.

I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?

Well, you could roll a great big big big big big spliff with it.


That's no good. Stuff's been stepped on.
 
2012-09-24 04:01:52 PM
There was a guy around here that was going around leaving a single pot plant in difficult/pain in the ass to reach places, but in public so it was clearly visible.

Places such as in the middle of a landfill. In the middle of a bunch of barbed wire at a construction site. In the middle of the thorn bushes at the public park. Hanging from a sign on the highway. Hanging from the antenna on a skyscraper. etc

Naturally, the authorities eventually got word of it. It was kind of amusing watching a team of 3 men risk their lives so that a plant would not be on top of a building collecting sunlight. 

/more people should do things like this.
 
2012-09-24 04:03:32 PM

Three-Fifty: If I ruled the world, I would not have to smell like anyone's nasty habit against my will.


If you ruled the world, you wouldn't live in a farkin condo.

Screw thinking outside the box, can you try thinking outside your living room, Einstein?
 
2012-09-24 04:04:15 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


This. The DEA has been tolerant of legit clinics in states that both allow them and strictly enforce state laws, while cracking down hard on the sleazy operations and poorly-policed states. No way they'll look the other way on recreational operations.

ZAZ: I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.


Also this. Under the current MMJ law municipalities have the right to outlaw dispensaries and grows locally, and a whole bunch have. If this passes, you'll see a lot of the state overriding it locally.
 
2012-09-24 04:04:27 PM
www.politifake.org
 
2012-09-24 04:06:15 PM

make me some tea: So you're saying that Obama is enforcing the law, and Bush didn't? Presidents should be able to choose which laws they want to enforce?

I don't agree with pot being illegal, but as long as it's law, it must be enforced.


So Bush should have just gone on an illegal alien roundup and deported them all? Also we should put Obama in jail for targeted killing of a US citizens without a trial using a drone strike?

selective enforcement is not a new thing. Obama did promise that he wouldn't crack down on medical MJ. But he has CA so in his pocket that he doesn't care. He could eat a baby on live TV and still win CA.
 
2012-09-24 04:06:34 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


How would this law magically make them smoke more?
 
2012-09-24 04:07:10 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.


Height joke or state troll?

/notsureifserious
 
2012-09-24 04:07:30 PM

JohnBigBootay: It's on three state ballots for november and polling ahead in all of them. The govt will kick and scream for a while longer but it's all over but the crying. Marijuana will be legal soon enough. Of course there will be a rocky road for a while but this freight train ain't gonna be completely derailed .


Not soon enough for me, I'm dry for the game tonight.
 
2012-09-24 04:07:58 PM

slayer199: I like where this is headed. Congress and the Fed won't do anything to legalize it despite the fact that a majority of citizens now support outright legalization. If more states flat out legalize it, it could be argued that it's a legitimate State's Rights issue...and it will weaken the DEA.


The problem in this country is that 99% of what the federal government does (and spends on anything) should be something EVERY STATE should have a legitimate and persistent complaint in regard to state's rights issues. The constitution doesn't say a lot and they've used some flimsy interpretations to control things there is no legal basis for the federal government to control.

New monetary policy, the federal reserve is abolished, yay ron paul
 
2012-09-24 04:08:58 PM

JackieRabbit: There's a lot of chatter in this thread about what the DEA would do. Well, the answer is: very little. The DEA is charged with going after drug smugglers and growers, not sellers or back yard growers. While they may assist with the effort, it would be the FBI and federal marshals, who would enforce the law, should Eric Cantor elect to pursue the federal government's authority in regard to enforcement of the CSA. As for whether a state or local law enforcement officer would arrest a federal agent for doing his duty, don't count on it. Federal officers acting within jurisdiction take precedence over the locals and interference with them is a serious offense.

But busting the corner pot store would probably not be the US Government's tactic. Rather,they would just start withholding funding from the state until they complied. I agree that this is a states rights issue, but the government can place any conditions they desire to block grants and other funding they give to the states.


Although I agree Congress *could* try to defund states that support MJ legalization, IMHO, that is not ever gonna happen. Why? Because then we would have an actual debate, in Congress, concerning whether MJ should be illegal and there is no way the prohibitionist want that. They want to maintain the status quo for as long as possible. No farking way Congress wants an open debate on this issue. I honestly hope I'm wrong, cause I'd love to see the Reefer Madness idiocy exposed to the light of day, but congress is cowardly and they will avoid this issue until it is mostly settled by the states.
 
2012-09-24 04:09:49 PM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: How would this law magically make them smoke more?


no shiat

/2 toke chump for 28 years and counting...
 
2012-09-24 04:10:32 PM

StoneColdAtheist: shower_in_my_socks: xl5150: As a Californian who isn't a pothead, I don't give a flying fark about this. Doesn't suck to be California; Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.


So you don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted fighting a "war" on a substance that is no more harmful than alcohol and cigarettes? You don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted on incarcerating people for this? You don't care that the lives of your fellow citizens are being ruined over this?

You don't have to personally partake of marijuana to care about the insanity of our marijuana laws, which do affect you whether you want to believe it or not. Also, not all people who smoke marijuana are "potheads."

California spends hardly any money on marijuana enforcement. According to the state's current statistics, just 150 persons are in jail for marijuana possession, with another 513 in for distribution and 922 for 'possession for sale'. That's 1% of our state's prison population.


How many were "violated" and sent back because they popped up hot on a piss test?

Communist_Manifesto: Hey guys, I know joints smell bad and blah blah blah, but let me introduce you to my friend, the Atmosrx Stratus http://www.atmosrx.com/Stratus-Vaporizer-Kits/View-all-products.html

It is an ecigarrette that vaporizes hash oil. You can't smell it and it looks exactly like a normal e cig. You can buy a cartridge that you can refill yourself or you can buy cartridges at quite a few Colorado dispensaries. Also, all of the people hemming and hawing about the feds are missing the point. Colorado already has dispensaries that are under the most extensive and strict regulation in the country. They have implemented a "seed to sale" tracking system. All of the grow ops and dispensaries have cameras that feed back to the states and every marijuana purchase is attached to your medical card number. Sure there are some of them that are less than reputable, but the same could be said for many liquor stores. Many of them are actual pretty nice places with helpful staff and they are VERY serious about complying with laws and regulations.


LOL!

"Seed to sale" tracking.

What a farking joke!

Wonder why they don't pull that shiat with BARLEY, or CORN. You never know when somebody might decide to mash it, ferment it, and distill it into alcohol and 'gives it to our childrinz'. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! Wait a minute, I know why they don't do that, because it would be farking STUPID and a huge g'damn waste of time and money.

Go figure.
 
2012-09-24 04:16:12 PM

js34603: JohnBigBootay: It's on three state ballots for november and polling ahead in all of them. The govt will kick and scream for a while longer but it's all over but the crying. Marijuana will be legal soon enough. Of course there will be a rocky road for a while but this freight train ain't gonna be completely derailed .

Not soon enough for me, I'm dry for the game tonight.


If you are in Colorado and you can't find weed, you aren't trying hard enough - or at all. I just had a friend drive out from Iowa to get some here because he knows it's *always* available out here.

If you're driving across Nebraska to get weed, you're dry. If you live in Colorado and are out of weed you aren't dry, you're lazy.  :)
 
2012-09-24 04:16:36 PM

Lsherm: It's amusing how "states rights!" liberals get once they learn how US government actually works.


I was having the exact same thought. Isn't funny how everyone is pro-states rights, but only in their pet area?
 
2012-09-24 04:16:43 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-24 04:19:15 PM

pedobearapproved: selective enforcement is not a new thing. Obama did promise that he wouldn't crack down on medical MJ. But he has CA so in his pocket that he doesn't care. He could eat a baby on live TV and still win CA.


But he'd have to do it on MSNBC so nobody saw it.
 
2012-09-24 04:19:45 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: "Seed to sale" tracking.

What a farking joke!

Wonder why they don't pull that shiat with BARLEY, or CORN. You never know when somebody might decide to mash it, ferment it, and distill it into alcohol and 'gives it to our childrinz'. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! Wait a minute, I know why they don't do that, because it would be farking STUPID and a huge g'damn waste of time and money.


Well, that's the kind of crap we put up with living in a place where people have been jailed for having a farking seed of all things.
 
2012-09-24 04:22:29 PM

JackieRabbit: There's a lot of chatter in this thread about what the DEA would do. Well, the answer is: very little. The DEA is charged with going after drug smugglers and growers, not sellers or back yard growers. While they may assist with the effort, it would be the FBI and federal marshals, who would enforce the law, should Eric Cantor elect to pursue the federal government's authority in regard to enforcement of the CSA. As for whether a state or local law enforcement officer would arrest a federal agent for doing his duty, don't count on it. Federal officers acting within jurisdiction take precedence over the locals and interference with them is a serious offense.

But busting the corner pot store would probably not be the US Government's tactic. Rather,they would just start withholding funding from the state until they complied. I agree that this is a states rights issue, but the government can place any conditions they desire to block grants and other funding they give to the states.


I really don't think they will have worry about funding being withheld. The revenue they will generate just on munchies will cover it.
 
2012-09-24 04:23:54 PM

babysealclubber: Lsherm: It's amusing how "states rights!" liberals get once they learn how US government actually works.

I was having the exact same thought. Isn't funny how everyone is pro-states rights, but only in their pet area?


That doesn't have a got damn thing with liberal or conservative. People will see any issue and frame it in the way that best supports their stance. And they will freely swap back and forth federal/state rights as they see fit.
 
2012-09-24 04:24:56 PM

JohnBigBootay: babysealclubber: Lsherm: It's amusing how "states rights!" liberals get once they learn how US government actually works.

I was having the exact same thought. Isn't funny how everyone is pro-states rights, but only in their pet area?

That doesn't have a got damn thing with liberal or conservative. People will see any issue and frame it in the way that best supports their stance. And they will freely swap back and forth federal/state rights as they see fit.


Did I say liberal or conservative? No? Then STFU.
 
2012-09-24 04:26:03 PM

xl5150: Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.


LOL, what? Not at all.
 
2012-09-24 04:26:09 PM
Hagenhatesyouall:

Barley and corn have uses that a female pot plant really doesn't. I'm not saying it's not a waste, but to continue down the path to legalization we will have to put up with onerous regulations until the negative stigma is gone. As long as the trend continues towards it being more legal as time goes on, I don't think we can complain too much.
 
2012-09-24 04:29:51 PM

JohnBigBootay: Hale-Bopp: If they re-legalize it, Colorado will most definitely be my next vacation getaway.

Put washington state on your list. Their legalization initiative is co-sponsored by the seattle city attorney among others.

http://www.newapproachwa.org/

/vote YES on 502


I have family near Washington state, so it's entirely possible we vacation out that way next. So yeah, Co. or Wa.. whomever wants my vacation dollars most, better get crackin' on setting up those recreational pot shops ASAP!
 
2012-09-24 04:31:21 PM
vudukungfu: "Why does America hate agronomy?"

America doesn't. Most people are in favor of legalization.
But we have this neat little paramilitary-prison-industrial complex that falls apart if busts, offender and prisoner counts suddenly drop by a third.
Money is speech in America and those interests have way more money than archetypical hippies.
 
2012-09-24 04:31:43 PM

babysealclubber: Did I say liberal or conservative? No? Then STFU.


That was to the other guy - who was also quoted by name - and railing on liberals for their convenient stance on state's rights. But since you said it so politely, NO. You STFU.
 
2012-09-24 04:35:17 PM

GanjSmokr: js34603: JohnBigBootay: It's on three state ballots for november and polling ahead in all of them. The govt will kick and scream for a while longer but it's all over but the crying. Marijuana will be legal soon enough. Of course there will be a rocky road for a while but this freight train ain't gonna be completely derailed .

Not soon enough for me, I'm dry for the game tonight.

If you are in Colorado and you can't find weed, you aren't trying hard enough - or at all. I just had a friend drive out from Iowa to get some here because he knows it's *always* available out here.

If you're driving across Nebraska to get weed, you're dry. If you live in Colorado and are out of weed you aren't dry, you're lazy.  :)


Dude I don't live anywhere near Colorado. I wish I did, even before this, but I live way over here in North Jesus Land. I was referring to national legalization.

/I am pretty lazy though
 
2012-09-24 04:38:52 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: tricycleracer: How about bartering? Can I barter for marijuana?

If you're a personal friend of mine, yes.


I prefer to sell them the bag for their free sample. Materials cost you know.
 
2012-09-24 04:39:11 PM

js34603: Dude I don't live anywhere near Colorado. I wish I did, even before this, but I live way over here in North Jesus Land. I was referring to national legalization.

/I am pretty lazy though



I don't know what NC is like. But being pretty old and having moved about the country a fair amount it is my opinion that the worst weed in the nation is in Alabama. I mean damn. Maybe you could make some good rope out of it or something. Pretty spoiled in the Pac NW - BC to the north, Oregon and Cali to the South. To be honest the biggest problem is finding stuff that's not too strong.
 
2012-09-24 04:42:08 PM

Leeds: pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.

I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?


There just isn't a huge demand for hemp products. Because cotton called and said "hey I'm way more comfortable and I don't smell funny." It's always been a backdoor way of trying to get legalization. And it's just a stupid as the medical MJ argument. No other prescribed drug would a doctor allow you to decide your own dose and get as many refills as you want. And while people might use it medically every person I know that has a medical card here in CA is using it for recreation.

Why can't we just be honest with ourselves and go "we want to get high and pot is as safe or safer than alcohol."
 
2012-09-24 04:45:17 PM

js34603: GanjSmokr: js34603: JohnBigBootay: It's on three state ballots for november and polling ahead in all of them. The govt will kick and scream for a while longer but it's all over but the crying. Marijuana will be legal soon enough. Of course there will be a rocky road for a while but this freight train ain't gonna be completely derailed .

Not soon enough for me, I'm dry for the game tonight.

If you are in Colorado and you can't find weed, you aren't trying hard enough - or at all. I just had a friend drive out from Iowa to get some here because he knows it's *always* available out here.

If you're driving across Nebraska to get weed, you're dry. If you live in Colorado and are out of weed you aren't dry, you're lazy.  :)

Dude I don't live anywhere near Colorado. I wish I did, even before this, but I live way over here in North Jesus Land. I was referring to national legalization.

/I am pretty lazy though


Well, I'm so lazy I couldn't even be bothered to click on your profile to check where lived :)
 
2012-09-24 04:48:32 PM

JohnBigBootay: babysealclubber: Did I say liberal or conservative? No? Then STFU.

That was to the other guy - who was also quoted by name - and railing on liberals for their convenient stance on state's rights. But since you said it so politely, NO. You STFU.


You first.
 
2012-09-24 04:49:13 PM

pedobearapproved: Leeds: pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.

I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?

There just isn't a huge demand for hemp products. Because cotton called and said "hey I'm way more comfortable and I don't smell funny." It's always been a backdoor way of trying to get legalization. And it's just a stupid as the medical MJ argument. No other prescribed drug would a doctor allow you to decide your own dose and get as many refills as you want. And while people might use it medically every person I know that has a medical card here in CA is using it for recreation.

Why can't we just be honest with ourselves and go "we want to get high and pot is as safe or safer than alcohol."


Rope and paper called and said "We don't have to be 'comfortable' and after processing we don't smell".

And then I got really confused as to how cotton, rope, and paper were all able to make phone calls so I fired up a joint.
 
2012-09-24 04:50:16 PM

pedobearapproved: There just isn't a huge demand for hemp products. Because cotton called and said "hey I'm way more comfortable and I don't smell funny." It's always been a backdoor way of trying to get legalization. And it's just a stupid as the medical MJ argument. No other prescribed drug would a doctor allow you to decide your own dose and get as many refills as you want. And while people might use it medically every person I know that has a medical card here in CA is using it for recreation.

Why can't we just be honest with ourselves and go "we want to get high and pot is as safe or safer than alcohol."



While in the crunchy pac nw I do see a hell of a lot of hemp products. and lots of them are actually pretty nice. But yeah, I agree.
 
2012-09-24 04:51:22 PM

Oznog: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

Interstate Commerce Clause, biyaches. The 2005 SCOTUS case Gonzales v. Raich clarified that very subject- the ICC provision of the US Constitution DOES mean federal laws on marijuana supersede state laws allowing it.

Actually, a law "allowing something" is a funky case, although hardly unique. The US system of laws and rights holds that unless something is specifically illegal, it is your right to do so. As such, it's unnecessary to make laws saying it's LEGAL to do something.

Not all govts hold to this. Certain dictatorships make it clear "in practice" that you're supposed to "do things" only as directed by the govt. That's a polar opposite of rights.

It is my right to grow sunflowers and no law is needed to say I may grow sunflowers, you don't WANT a system of law which requires specific permission from the govt to DO any given thing.
It is common for laws to state things are unlawful, but list EXCEPTIONS of what is not unlawful in the test. That's a subtle difference, though. It's limiting what you're making illegal in the scope of the law, but not a law asserting it is legal to do something.

Sure, we still have bureaucracy where "you must get car insurance". But that's not actually the law. You must get car insurance to drive on public roads. And that's not the law- the law says it's "unlawful to drive on public roads unless insured", and would never say "you may drive on public roads with insurance". Subtle but important wording difference, especially when trying to combine overlapping.laws. Logically it's very difficult to combine "you may drive with insurance" and "you may drive with a Driver's License", that's an OR condition. "It is unlawful to drive on public roads without a licence" and "it is unlawful to drive without insurance" logically interact with no ambiguity.


The state doesn't need to "allow" anything. They just need to remove some wording from state laws, then stop enforcing federal law for the feds.

Not once, have I ever heard of anybody getting busted by the DEA alone. It's always some over zealous county mounty calling them in for manpower help.

Removing it at the state level, would be very effective legalization.

The insurance companies will work shiat out on their own. They are good at that.
 
2012-09-24 04:54:21 PM

pedobearapproved: Leeds: pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.

I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?

There just isn't a huge demand for hemp products. Because cotton called and said "hey I'm way more comfortable and I don't smell funny." It's always been a backdoor way of trying to get legalization. And it's just a stupid as the medical MJ argument. No other prescribed drug would a doctor allow you to decide your own dose and get as many refills as you want. And while people might use it medically every person I know that has a medical card here in CA is using it for recreation.

Why can't we just be honest with ourselves and go "we want to get high and pot is as safe or safer than alcohol."


Hemp doesn't smell funny. It's just as comfortable as cotton after it's broken in and lasts much much longer. The paper doesn't eat itself. Hemp oil/seed is a wonder food.

No other prescribed drug is as safe as cannabis. It's safer than aspirin or Tylenol. It should be over the counter.

And furthermore, everyone is copping to wanting it for recreational use. It just so happens that hemp is pretty neeto too. You seem mad about it.
 
2012-09-24 04:56:43 PM

pedobearapproved: Leeds: pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.

I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?

There just isn't a huge demand for hemp products. Because cotton called and said "hey I'm way more comfortable and I don't smell funny." It's always been a backdoor way of trying to get legalization. And it's just a stupid as the medical MJ argument. No other prescribed drug would a doctor allow you to decide your own dose and get as many refills as you want. And while people might use it medically every person I know that has a medical card here in CA is using it for recreation.

Why can't we just be honest with ourselves and go "we want to get high and pot is as safe or safer than alcohol."


That's been said thousands of times, yet the gov't refuses to listen. So yes, there needs to be backdoor ways to get it legalized since the front door (the obvious door) is locked, dead-bolted, and welded shut.

I'll be the first to admit that I want it legalized for recreational use, but since that's been shot down, I will find other avenues.
 
2012-09-24 04:57:17 PM

pedobearapproved: Leeds: pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.

I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?

There just isn't a huge demand for hemp products. Because cotton called and said "hey I'm way more comfortable and I don't smell funny." It's always been a backdoor way of trying to get legalization. And it's just a stupid as the medical MJ argument. No other prescribed drug would a doctor allow you to decide your own dose and get as many refills as you want. And while people might use it medically every person I know that has a medical card here in CA is using it for recreation.

Why can't we just be honest with ourselves and go "we want to get high and pot is as safe or safer than alcohol."


No one gives a shiat whether the t-shirt they wear is made from hemp or cotton. Comfort and smell is the same. Hemp is a stronger, more durable fiber, though, so hemp clothing will last longer.

If hemp farming were legalized, and farmers found out that growing hemp was easier than growing cotton, and started switching over, so that a comparable economy of scale developed re: cotton vs hemp, the choice becomes a no-brainer:

All other things being equal, hemp clothing will be cheaper and last longer. That's a pretty simple consumer choice, no?
 
2012-09-24 04:59:46 PM
Remember that guy who gnawed off the other guy's face in Miami a few months ago? It was originally reported that he was high on bath salts, but then it came to light that no bath salts were found in his system. There was, however, one solitary drug found in his system. Anyone care to remind me what drug that was?

Oh, that's right. It was marijuana.
 
2012-09-24 05:00:58 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


I wonder if Amazon sells popcorn by the ton.

ZAZ: For now legalization should have no permits or taxes specific to marijuana, nothing to leave a paper trail.


I think a initiative should just legalize possession of any quantity. Specifically drop sale of any quantity to a misdemeanor with a stipulation that the max sentence is no more than $250 total of fines, fees, and court costs, or three months in jail. Added stipulation that your record gets automatically expunged after a year.

Meaning if you have a joint, you're not violating state law. If you have a semitruck filled with the stuff, you're not violating state law. If they catch you selling the stuff without a license, they can punish you, but it'll cost the state money.

Duke_leto_Atredes: This was Settled in 1865 Grant V Lee Appomattox courthouse


April 12 1861, when the state of South Carolina attacked the Federal Government. It' just took four years to force an agreement.

My take on that is even if the South had succeeded in succeeding war was inevitable, likely the Confederacy would have attempted to expand into Federal Territory in the South West, invaded Mexico and Central America, or aligned themselves with a foreign power against the US. Any of those would have resulted in a full scale war.
 
2012-09-24 05:02:10 PM

xl5150: Oh, that's right. It was marijuana.


Well, clearly then, marijuana makes people eat faces. Case closed.
 
2012-09-24 05:05:22 PM

scottydoesntknow: Hippies barely have enough money to cloth themselves, you think they have extra for good stuff? Their mentality is "Why buy an eighth of good stuff at $40, when I can get a half pound of ditch for the same price!"


No hippie has ever thought that, ever.
 
2012-09-24 05:10:09 PM

xl5150: Remember that guy who gnawed off the other guy's face in Miami a few months ago? It was originally reported that he was high on bath salts, but then it came to light that no bath salts were found in his system. There was, however, one solitary drug found in his system. Anyone care to remind me what drug that was?

Oh, that's right. It was marijuana.


wut? You're suppose to smoke the tree, not get smoked by the tree.
www.exposay.com
 
2012-09-24 05:11:52 PM

pedobearapproved: Leeds: pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.

I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?

There just isn't a huge demand for hemp products. Because cotton called and said "hey I'm way more comfortable and I don't smell funny." It's always been a backdoor way of trying to get legalization. And it's just a stupid as the medical MJ argument. No other prescribed drug would a doctor allow you to decide your own dose and get as many refills as you want. And while people might use it medically every person I know that has a medical card here in CA is using it for recreation.

Why can't we just be honest with ourselves and go "we want to get high and pot is as safe or safer than alcohol."


Do you see the irony of this mini-thread being about how pot legalization might allow for a back-door method to bring back hemp?

Your comments stemmed entirely from the mindset that hemp legalization might allow for a back-door method to bring pot back...
 
2012-09-24 05:12:27 PM

JohnBigBootay: js34603: Dude I don't live anywhere near Colorado. I wish I did, even before this, but I live way over here in North Jesus Land. I was referring to national legalization.

/I am pretty lazy though


I don't know what NC is like. But being pretty old and having moved about the country a fair amount it is my opinion that the worst weed in the nation is in Alabama. I mean damn. Maybe you could make some good rope out of it or something. Pretty spoiled in the Pac NW - BC to the north, Oregon and Cali to the South. To be honest the biggest problem is finding stuff that's not too strong.


I wish I had that problem. When I ask the suppliers around here whether they have a sativa or indica they usually respond with "no it's weed".

I'm sure there is more high quality buds available near the college towns, but being well past college age I dont have the connections anymore to acquire it.

It's a bit like being a beer snob somewhere you can only acquire Budweiser or if you insist and are willing to overpay, Heinken.
 
2012-09-24 05:19:14 PM

xl5150: Remember that guy who gnawed off the other guy's face in Miami a few months ago? It was originally reported that he was high on bath salts, but then it came to light that no bath salts were found in his system. There was, however, one solitary drug found in his system. Anyone care to remind me what drug that was?

Oh, that's right. It was marijuana.


So, you're assuming causation based on a single data point? Very scientific.
 
2012-09-24 05:19:48 PM

Leeds: Do you see the irony of this mini-thread being about how pot legalization might allow for a back-door method to bring back hemp?


Growing hemp was just a good way to hide the illegal stuff.
 
2012-09-24 05:21:47 PM

xl5150: Remember that guy who gnawed off the other guy's face in Miami a few months ago? It was originally reported that he was high on bath salts, but then it came to light that no bath salts were found in his system. There was, however, one solitary drug found in his system. Anyone care to remind me what drug that was?

Oh, that's right. It was marijuana.


not that one of bath salts major selling points is that it doesn't show up on a drug test, or anything.
 
2012-09-24 05:24:32 PM

make me some tea: I don't agree with pot being illegal, but as long as it's law, it must be enforced.


There are all sorts of laws on the books that are not enforced and no one cares about them. The belief that cops must enforce all laws at all times is simply false.
 
2012-09-24 05:26:53 PM
Hot damn! Voting for it fo sho.
 
2012-09-24 05:27:04 PM

GanjSmokr: pedobearapproved: Leeds: pedobearapproved: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc

yeah man, and it's great for those necklaces so you can show everyone what a non-conformist you are.

stop with this retardedness. No one wants your hemp crap they just want to get high.

I have a hemp rug that was my great-grandparents'. What does that 100+ year old rug have to do with getting high?

There just isn't a huge demand for hemp products. Because cotton called and said "hey I'm way more comfortable and I don't smell funny." It's always been a backdoor way of trying to get legalization. And it's just a stupid as the medical MJ argument. No other prescribed drug would a doctor allow you to decide your own dose and get as many refills as you want. And while people might use it medically every person I know that has a medical card here in CA is using it for recreation.

Why can't we just be honest with ourselves and go "we want to get high and pot is as safe or safer than alcohol."

Rope and paper called and said "We don't have to be 'comfortable' and after processing we don't smell".

And then I got really confused as to how cotton, rope, and paper were all able to make phone calls so I fired up a joint.


These threads are always amusing and it always brings out the misinformed fear based people - that makes me chuckle. Such ignorance.
A-Hemp is much more durable than cotton for any number of things. I have a pair of hemp pants that were made outside the states because of stupid laws. I love them. If the materials were grown here it would provide jobs.
B- Legalization does not encourage use and quite frankly if it did that might be good. I've met many people that should smoke it. I've been around it all my life and have 1 or 2 hits on rare occasion. I am eligible for a medical card but have never bothered to get one. MrS doesn't smoke at all and we are both voting it in.

It's a goddamn weed with so much useful potential that politicians and big business want it illegal.
 
2012-09-24 05:32:17 PM

xl5150: Remember that guy who gnawed off the other guy's face in Miami a few months ago? It was originally reported that he was high on bath salts, but then it came to light that no bath salts were found in his system. There was, however, one solitary drug found in his system. Anyone care to remind me what drug that was?

Oh, that's right. It was marijuana.


There aren't accurate tests for some of the new formulas of street drugs. Are you a dumbass or antagonistic troll? Weed stays in the system for a month, the effects of it are short term.
There was an article on here a while back about some idiot that caused a huge car wreck after drinking and taking a fistfull of pharmaceuticals but OMG he had devil weed in his sytem.
Such bullsh*t.
 
2012-09-24 05:32:20 PM

lewismarktwo: No other prescribed drug is as safe as cannabis. It's safer than aspirin or Tylenol.


Serious question: has that been proven in studies? Real ones, I mean. With scientists and blinds and stuff.

How can something be safer than aspirin, anyways? Aspirin is pretty damn safe. Statistically speaking it seems like it would be difficult to measure a margin of safety that razor-thin.
 
2012-09-24 05:37:14 PM
This would be a step in the right direction.

Also one of the few issues that Democratic and Republican supporters can agree on... I have smoked with both.
 
2012-09-24 05:41:05 PM

Jument: Serious question: has that been proven in studies? Real ones, I mean. With scientists and blinds and stuff.

How can something be safer than aspirin, anyways? Aspirin is pretty damn safe. Statistically speaking it seems like it would be difficult to measure a margin of safety that razor-thin.


Yeah. There have been. I've seen quite a few but am not looking them up for you. Essentially it's like this... Pot isn't fatal. You simply can't consume enough of it to cause death by overdose. You'll feel mighty weird if you try and you might need to take a nap, but you're going to survive it with no lasting ill effects.

You could kill yourself with pot... but it would require dropping a seriously heavy bail of it on yourself.
 
2012-09-24 05:42:00 PM
bale even... :p
 
2012-09-24 05:46:19 PM

Jument: lewismarktwo: No other prescribed drug is as safe as cannabis. It's safer than aspirin or Tylenol.

Serious question: has that been proven in studies? Real ones, I mean. With scientists and blinds and stuff.

How can something be safer than aspirin, anyways? Aspirin is pretty damn safe. Statistically speaking it seems like it would be difficult to measure a margin of safety that razor-thin.


Going just by overdoses involving them, there were 52 deaths in 2000 from aspirin overdose (FDA.gov link). Marijuana, on the other hand, has 0 (that's zero) deaths related to overdose in all of recorded history. 

Hell you can overdose on water and die (like that woman who died while trying to win a Wii). Not saying that weed is safer than water, but it's crazy that something that has no mortality rate is still considered a Schedule 1 "most dangerous drug ever" by the DEA
 
2012-09-24 05:47:08 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.

Yep, it's horrible here...
[peasinablog.com image 850x637]


Show me that same frame shot in mid-February, assuming you can actually reach the place it was shot from.

But you're right, there are some parts of CO (just like that one) that I would move to in a heartbeat if I had land, bandwidth, and maybe some work.
 
2012-09-24 05:50:03 PM

Jument: lewismarktwo: No other prescribed drug is as safe as cannabis. It's safer than aspirin or Tylenol.

Serious question: has that been proven in studies? Real ones, I mean. With scientists and blinds and stuff.

How can something be safer than aspirin, anyways? Aspirin is pretty damn safe. Statistically speaking it seems like it would be difficult to measure a margin of safety that razor-thin.


It's possible to OD on aspirin. Good luck ODing on weed, I've tried and it ain't happening. Tylenol is hell on the liver if you take too much, and some people do take too much.
 
2012-09-24 05:51:56 PM

stjohn: Ow! That was my feelings!: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.

Yep, it's horrible here...
[peasinablog.com image 850x637]

Show me that same frame shot in mid-February, assuming you can actually reach the place it was shot from.

But you're right, there are some parts of CO (just like that one) that I would move to in a heartbeat if I had land, bandwidth, and maybe some work.

 

www.wunderground.com
 
2012-09-24 05:54:04 PM
Off to listen to some John Denver.

/ Good luck, Colorado
 
2012-09-24 05:56:05 PM

JohnBigBootay: xl5150: Oh, that's right. It was marijuana.

Well, clearly then, marijuana makes people eat faces. Case closed.


Dammit, he's on to us!

/not ashamed to admit I had two faces for breakfast this morning
//having another for dinner
 
2012-09-24 05:56:15 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


I'd like to be there to see it.

I'm a states rights person regardless of Rep./ Dem issue.

Except for murder, of course.
 
2012-09-24 05:58:01 PM

malaktaus: Tylenol


Paracetamol toxicity is the foremost cause of acute liver failure in the Western world, and accounts for most drug overdoses in the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand.[7][8][9][10]


Yep, that crap is NASTY and actually a really easy way to kill your liver.

Pot on the other hand -- really hard to do anything bug get really sleepy. It isn't even a contest, pot is so safe it is silly.
 
2012-09-24 06:07:42 PM

pedobearapproved: There just isn't a huge demand for hemp products. Because cotton called and said "hey I'm way more comfortable and I don't smell funny." It's always been a backdoor way of trying to get legalization. And it's just a stupid as the medical MJ argument. No other prescribed drug would a doctor allow you to decide your own dose and get as many refills as you want.


It's obvious that you are ignorant of the many, many valuable uses of hemp. Maybe you should educate yourself.

Also, if you were not so foolish you might realize that for many, many refillable prescriptions, the patient does indeed set the dose. The doctor asks "hows that working for you?" or does tests, and based on the answers or the results of the tests from the patients body, the dose is adjusted. Do you see how that works?

pedobearapproved: Why can't we just be honest with ourselves and go "we want to get high and pot is as safe or safer than alcohol."



Speak for yourself. I don't use drugs but would like some comfortable clothes that last longer than cotton. I bet hemp would make good art supply paper too.

OK, so you just want to get high, good for you. You couldn't just say so unless you could disrespect hemp in the same breath? Why can't you just be honest, and say that you want to get high?
 
2012-09-24 06:09:22 PM
Colorado Springs here and I will be voting for it.
 
2012-09-24 06:09:30 PM
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2012-09-24 06:11:33 PM

Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


legalization will be in your interests.

legal pot = smoke it outside so you don't get evicted for smoking inside.

illegal pot = smoke it inside because getting evicted is better than getting arrested
 
2012-09-24 06:11:54 PM

CheekyMonkey: xl5150: Remember that guy who gnawed off the other guy's face in Miami a few months ago? It was originally reported that he was high on bath salts, but then it came to light that no bath salts were found in his system. There was, however, one solitary drug found in his system. Anyone care to remind me what drug that was?

Oh, that's right. It was marijuana.

So, you're assuming causation based on a single data point? Very scientific.


Might be he was just loony and hungry for face.
 
2012-09-24 06:15:11 PM

xl5150: Remember that guy who gnawed off the other guy's face in Miami a few months ago? It was originally reported that he was high on bath salts, but then it came to light that no bath salts were found in his system. There was, however, one solitary drug found in his system. Anyone care to remind me what drug that was?

Oh, that's right. It was marijuana.


Must have been some Lecter kush.

Are you related to Buzz Killington?
 
2012-09-24 06:19:43 PM

psychoace: Does this mean that corperations iwll be able to grow it box it and sell it like any other local grower could?

I always find it weird that pot heads don't want to keep weed illegal and corporations don't want to make it legal. There is a lot of money to be made off of marijuana and with Tobacco being taxed through the roof selling weed is a great source of revenue. With weed legal though, pot heads wont be cool. If you can go to your local Walgreens and pick it up they completely lose there culture. It will be like Woodstock all over again.




Frito-Lay Pepsico should be lobbying hard to legalize pot.
 
2012-09-24 06:27:16 PM

Lehk: Frito-Lay Pepsico should be lobbying hard to legalize pot.


They are doing just fine serving the munchie market as it is. On a side note what would the Taco Bell menu look like if pot were legal, we already have the Dorito Taco, imagine that menu amplified.
 
2012-09-24 06:28:48 PM
How about Reality Swap Show where for 1 year we lock up all the politicians and put the smartest stoners in charge.
 
2012-09-24 06:29:35 PM

Tom_Slick: Lehk: Frito-Lay Pepsico should be lobbying hard to legalize pot.

They are doing just fine serving the munchie market as it is. On a side note what would the Taco Bell menu look like if pot were legal, we already have the Dorito Taco, imagine that menu amplified.


They'll probably go the KFC route and take all the shiat on the left side of the menu and throw it into a bowl. But this bowl will be made of a Dorito Taco Shell Bowl, so you can also eat the bowl.
 
2012-09-24 06:31:49 PM

Tom_Slick: Lehk: Frito-Lay Pepsico should be lobbying hard to legalize pot.

They are doing just fine serving the munchie market as it is. On a side note what would the Taco Bell menu look like if pot were legal, we already have the Dorito Taco, imagine that menu amplified.


Mmmm... Funyun Fajitas
 
2012-09-24 06:34:49 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Mmmm... Funyun Fajitas


www.demotivationalposters.org
 
2012-09-24 06:37:27 PM

tricycleracer: Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?


Yes they can... CA sucks in this regard... you are just another piece of equipment here..
 
2012-09-24 06:41:16 PM

tricycleracer: Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?


yes they can.

however there is nothing that would keep states from banning MJ tests from employment screenings, except where required by federal law
 
2012-09-24 06:41:53 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

This. Cunning plan, etc. For better or for worse, marijuana/THC is still a schedule 1 controlled substance. All this will do is stir up a hornet's nest of jurisdictional fights like it did in Cali. (See "State-Licensed Medical Dispensaries - DEA Raids On")


Good.
 
HBK
2012-09-24 06:44:40 PM

Lehk: tricycleracer: Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?

yes they can.

however there is nothing that would keep states from banning MJ tests from employment screenings, except where required by federal law


What about that pesky freedom to contract?

From my understanding, companies can refuse to hire you if you drink or smoke cigarettes. Why would weed be any different?

/IANAL
 
2012-09-24 06:48:44 PM
Courts in Colorado are already turning away mmj-related breach of contract cases due to Federal law conflicts. They can legalize it but you still need to break legs if you get screwed over.
 
2012-09-24 07:04:32 PM
There is still the issue of driving under the influence of any substance which inhibits your ability to do so, illegal, legal, perscription or otherwise, and at the current time there IS NO MEDICAL way to test such. If I smoke at home on Saturday and get stopped on Monday there is no reasonable way to tell whether I am 'currently' high or it is just a hold-over. Until that can be resolved I forsee problems.
 
2012-09-24 07:08:06 PM

ChaffedTitty: Funny, I've had a legal cannabis based business in Colorady for over a year.


So you run a Government Mandated Treatment Facility (like the ones the Judge makes you go to if you get caught with a joint) or what?

No info = suspicion of trickery

/no slashies
//oops Dammit
 
2012-09-24 07:08:54 PM

smitty04: Way too many "ifs" in that article. Gather your seeds just in case.


Smitty, if you are growing from seeds you have problems already. Get clones and stop contaminating your neighbors' crops before they come over and shoot you...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 07:26:44 PM
babysealclubber: I was having the exact same thought. Isn't funny how everyone is pro-states rights, but only in their pet area?

One amicus brief in Gonzales v. Raich was from "red state" attorneys general supporting California because the principle of states' rights was more important than marijuana (which they opposed). Try a Google search for (louisiana amicus brief gonzales raich) for more info.

Oznog

The amendment allows growers to have three mature and three immature plants regardless of weight.
 
2012-09-24 07:27:18 PM

Archfeld: There is still the issue of driving under the influence of any substance which inhibits your ability to do so, illegal, legal, perscription or otherwise, and at the current time there IS NO MEDICAL way to test such. If I smoke at home on Saturday and get stopped on Monday there is no reasonable way to tell whether I am 'currently' high or it is just a hold-over. Until that can be resolved I forsee problems.


Apparently, Australia has saliva tests that can show if you've used cannabis in the past few hours. Before that there were medical blood tests.

But, driving high just isn't a real problem. There is this hard engrained false equivalency that being high is the same as being drunk and it just isn't true.
 
2012-09-24 07:30:27 PM

Archfeld: There is still the issue of driving under the influence of any substance which inhibits your ability to do so, illegal, legal, perscription or otherwise, and at the current time there IS NO MEDICAL way to test such. If I smoke at home on Saturday and get stopped on Monday there is no reasonable way to tell whether I am 'currently' high or it is just a hold-over. Until that can be resolved I forsee problems.


When I hear this argument, I usually suggest that we rely on actual roadside tests. Different people handle different levels of different substances differently. Some people can smoke a joint right before they go do construction work with no problem, some can't take a single hit without being laid out on the couch for the next several hours. If I can pass the roadside test without stumbling, slurring, having my attention taken away by a dog running by, falling asleep, etc then let me go on my way.
 
2012-09-24 07:31:07 PM

Archfeld: There is still the issue of driving under the influence of any substance which inhibits your ability to do so, illegal, legal, perscription or otherwise, and at the current time there IS NO MEDICAL way to test such.


So? That's what a field sobriety test is for. Time and time again grasping ninnys bring up this issue and time and time again they get shot down by logic.
 
2012-09-24 07:31:19 PM
It'll probably pass in Colorado because they don't have all the growers pumping money into the campaign against it like we did with Prop 19 here in California.

Although, it could be that California growers are pumping money into Colorado the same way the Mormon church pumped money into California for Prop 8.
 
2012-09-24 07:40:14 PM

flynn80: How about Reality Swap Show where for 1 year we lock up all the politicians and put the smartest stoners in charge.


Grand idea!

Lets try it.
 
2012-09-24 07:44:17 PM

flynn80: How about Reality Swap Show where for 1 year we lock up all the politicians and put the smartest stoners in charge.


What an inmate that's been locked up with a politician for a year might look like.

malcontent.typepad.com
 
2012-09-24 07:48:53 PM
OMG ANNUAL DEATHS -

WEED 0
ALCOHOL 10 QUADRILLION
 
2012-09-24 07:51:29 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


10/10 You really knocked it out of the park.
 
2012-09-24 07:55:00 PM

SurfaceTension: I'm wondering how a movement to implement a Constitutional amendment through the state convention process would work. The amendment would be something along the lines of "US Gov't can't enforce marijuana laws within the U.S." or something like that.


You'll never see that happen. The problem is once the convention starts, it can add anything it wants to the Constitution. That puts an incredible amount of power into the hands of the very small number of people at the convention. They could even make it Constitutional to accept bribes to change the Constitution. You could see the people attending becoming some of the riches people on earth as every special interest paid to have their desires written into the governing code of the nation.
 
2012-09-24 07:56:48 PM

The Southern Dandy: It'll probably pass in Colorado because they don't have all the growers pumping money into the campaign against it like we did with Prop 19 here in California.

Although, it could be that California growers are pumping money into Colorado the same way the Mormon church pumped money into California for Prop 8.


While I agree that many 'old school' growers/suppliers were opposed to Cali Prop 19, they are not why it lost. It lost because besides the simple act of legalization, Prop 19 also decided to go after a company's ability to screen and not hire or fire MJ consumers. It would have setup an expensive and bureaucratic system of arbitration. That lead to massive opposition from big money corporations pouring millions into its defeat. Prop 19 was not a simple, yes or no on MJ legalization, it was basically a "union" bill to get weed legal. They farked it up.

Amendment 64 is simple. Yes or no, adults over 21 are allowed to possess, grow, and consume the herb. We have a bunch of folks here in Colorado outraged that 64 doesn't go further, like Cali's measure. Thankfully, we were able to defeat their greedy, delusional asses at the initiatives beginning and we can have a simple up or down vote. 

//Keep it simple, don't get greedy, one step at a time and we will win. It is inevitable at this point.
 
2012-09-24 07:59:46 PM
"People growing their own could have up to six plants, with no more than three being mature at any given time. "


Uh yeah subby, my county sucks compared to most of CA and Im allowed to grow twice as many plants.
 
2012-09-24 08:02:17 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Rocky Mountain high... Colorado...

Rocky Mountain high... High in Colorado...


Link
 
2012-09-24 08:02:41 PM

The Southern Dandy: It'll probably pass in Colorado because they don't have all the growers pumping money into the campaign against it like we did with Prop 19 here in California.



Good to know one of our biggest obstacles in cannabis legalization here in California is shady growers. Thanks, assholes!

/Good grower
 
2012-09-24 08:08:12 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.

 

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-24 08:11:01 PM

Abox: Courts in Colorado are already turning away mmj-related breach of contract cases due to Federal law conflicts. They can legalize it but you still need to break legs if you get screwed over.



We learned it the hard way here in CA, the credit card companies owed huge chunks of money to the medical dispensaries up north due to a type of payment process they use.When it was convenient for them, suddenly the credit card companies pulled the "Well we dont have to pay you, previous dear customer, your business is federally illegal!"

Also, unlike most other stores, youre buying at your own risk. Ive actually been ripped off for over $100 at a pot shop before back in the day, by some punk kid budtender, and there are no franchise managers to complain to some times. Pot shops employ at least 1 armed guard around here, I'd have to come back guns blazing to get my damn money back. Its not usually ever like that, but it is possible with a commodity like this.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 08:15:41 PM
Ow! That was my feelings!: Amendment 64 is simple.

It's not simple at all. It's several pages, written into the constitution and referencing statutes, where a paragraph would do. It may be simpler than California's initiative.

EngineerAU

There is concern over what would come out of a convention, but states still get to vote on the result.

Congress has attempted to limit the authority of a constitutional convention to the single subject for which it was convened, but there is serious doubt that the law doing so would have any effect.
 
2012-09-24 08:16:03 PM
The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."
 
2012-09-24 08:19:26 PM

ZAZ: As a legal concept the Supreme Court voted 6-3 that states have no rights. (Gonzales v. Raich)


The Lee v. Grant decision of 1865 abolished the concept of states rights.
 
2012-09-24 08:24:09 PM
Oh and by the way--Ken Buck? He's the Weld County District Attorney. Think he might have a vested interest in keeping his conviction rate high?

Asshole.
 
2012-09-24 08:25:27 PM

Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."


Article with some info on that
 
2012-09-24 08:33:33 PM

GanjSmokr: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

Article with some info on that


And this is what they want you to believe:

http://www.votenoon64.com/
 
2012-09-24 08:34:10 PM

Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."


That's awesome. I also heard their funding is next to nothing compared to proponents of the bill. I can't help but think Colorado will be the first to legalize it. Then again, Washington and Oregon might get it too. I'm really not hearing much opposition at all in any of those states, in fact, especially when compared to the opposition Cali received in 2010.

I think 2012 is the beginning of the end of marijuana prohibition.

fark. I didn't believe it then, but now...

I really believe it!!

/feels good you guys
 
2012-09-24 08:34:34 PM

walkerhound: ZAZ: I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.

I think this was also the case for MMJ dispensaries - whose numbers shot through the roof until nearly every city in Northern Colorado decided to ban them. I think it just means that they would've been better off had they just started in unincorporated parts of the county.

This story's kinda funny, because we just had a huge drug bust locally: Link


Yep, and it's kinda funny that the person who reported them was a legal MMJ producer
 
2012-09-24 08:35:59 PM

Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."


Another interesting fact on the opposition is that they are mostly financed by a Florida(!) Evangelical group called Saving Our Society from Drugs. This group is run by Betty Sembler whose husband Mel is Mitt Romney's Florida campaign finance chair.

The farked up thing about that, besides the fact a group from Florida is the main opposition to 64, is that a not insignificant number of Colorado Republicans are involved with the MMJ business community and would be ruined if Romney wins the election and sends in the DEA goons to crack heads and put boots on necks. Colorado should be a slam dunk for Romney(this year anyway), but we have a lot of libertarian-Republicans out this way and his Mormonism and association with radical out of state Fundies it's gonna cost him 9 Electoral votes. 

//Grow the fark up, Repubs. Start living that 'small government' propaganda you preach.
 
2012-09-24 08:37:02 PM

Maechyll: GanjSmokr: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

Article with some info on that

And this is what they want you to believe:

http://www.votenoon64.com/


As soon as you look at the home page, youknow it's gonna be "EHRMERGERRRD, THINK OF TEH CHIRRUN!!!11!
 
2012-09-24 08:37:26 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

This. Cunning plan, etc. For better or for worse, marijuana/THC is still a schedule 1 controlled substance. All this will do is stir up a hornet's nest of jurisdictional fights like it did in Cali. (See "State-Licensed Medical Dispensaries - DEA Raids On")


The law allows for every person to have up two three plants "ready to harvest". Come at everyone in Colorado, DEA
 
2012-09-24 08:39:36 PM

Maechyll: GanjSmokr: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

Article with some info on that

And this is what they want you to believe:

http://www.votenoon64.com/


And you oppose 64, why? Com'n, let's have a debate, prohibitionist.
 
2012-09-24 08:41:23 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Maechyll: GanjSmokr: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

Article with some info on that

And this is what they want you to believe:

http://www.votenoon64.com/

And you oppose 64, why? Com'n, let's have a debate, prohibitionist.


Umm...what?
 
2012-09-24 08:41:58 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Maechyll: GanjSmokr: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

Article with some info on that

And this is what they want you to believe:

http://www.votenoon64.com/

And you oppose 64, why? Com'n, let's have a debate, prohibitionist.


ah, nevermind...
 
2012-09-24 08:43:16 PM

Maechyll: Ow! That was my feelings!: Maechyll: GanjSmokr: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

Article with some info on that

And this is what they want you to believe:

http://www.votenoon64.com/

And you oppose 64, why? Com'n, let's have a debate, prohibitionist.

Umm...what?


sorry, carry on. looking for someone to punch.... again, nevermind.
 
2012-09-24 08:44:00 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Ow! That was my feelings!: Maechyll: GanjSmokr: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

Article with some info on that

And this is what they want you to believe:

http://www.votenoon64.com/

And you oppose 64, why? Com'n, let's have a debate, prohibitionist.

ah, nevermind...


No troubles. : )

*puffs puffs passes to Ow! That was my feelings!*
 
2012-09-24 08:48:03 PM

Maechyll: Maechyll: GanjSmokr: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

Article with some info on that

And this is what they want you to believe:

http://www.votenoon64.com/

As soon as you look at the home page, youknow it's gonna be "EHRMERGERRRD, THINK OF TEH CHIRRUN!!!11!


Makes me sad that some people actually believe what they are pushing on that site. They make it sound like if the prop passes, not only will there be a pot store on every corner, there will be 12 year old kids now hooked on it and driving around in their cars high. Sounds like a crazy world they envision.
 
2012-09-24 08:49:27 PM

Maechyll: Ow! That was my feelings!: Ow! That was my feelings!: Maechyll: GanjSmokr: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

Article with some info on that

And this is what they want you to believe:

http://www.votenoon64.com/

And you oppose 64, why? Com'n, let's have a debate, prohibitionist.

ah, nevermind...

No troubles. : )

*puffs puffs passes to Ow! That was my feelings!*


*tips hat* appreciate it, but work....
 
2012-09-24 08:52:09 PM

scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.


vaporizer
 
2012-09-24 09:01:24 PM
Obama will just send in his goons like he did here in California.
 
2012-09-24 09:02:50 PM

Hale-Bopp: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

That's awesome. I also heard their funding is next to nothing compared to proponents of the bill. I can't help but think Colorado will be the first to legalize it. Then again, Washington and Oregon might get it too. I'm really not hearing much opposition at all in any of those states, in fact, especially when compared to the opposition Cali received in 2010.

I think 2012 is the beginning of the end of marijuana prohibition.

fark. I didn't believe it then, but now...

I really believe it!!

/feels good you guys


Marijuana is doing worse under a Democrat than under George Bush of all people. Obama has sent us back YEARS.
 
2012-09-24 09:17:20 PM

Novart: Hale-Bopp: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

That's awesome. I also heard their funding is next to nothing compared to proponents of the bill. I can't help but think Colorado will be the first to legalize it. Then again, Washington and Oregon might get it too. I'm really not hearing much opposition at all in any of those states, in fact, especially when compared to the opposition Cali received in 2010.

I think 2012 is the beginning of the end of marijuana prohibition.

fark. I didn't believe it then, but now...

I really believe it!!

/feels good you guys

Marijuana is doing worse under a Democrat than under George Bush of all people. Obama has sent us back YEARS.


Bullshiat!

Seriously, I don't get the Obama hate on this. In Colorado, the freedom to smoke I now have is on Obama. He backed the DEA off of us when he was first elected. Sure, they have come back in with further regulation on COMMERCIAL growers and DISPENSERIES, but they could come in with fire and blood if they wanted. Think about that on election day Coloradans, do you want DEA goons that Romney would send in to put a boot on your neck or the tiresome regulation of Obama?

Romney = blood
Obama = paperwork
 
2012-09-24 09:48:45 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Seriously, I don't get the Obama hate on this.


To me he crossed the line when the Feds started go after Harborside and Oaksterdam.
 
2012-09-24 09:58:56 PM

TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: Seriously, I don't get the Obama hate on this.

To me he crossed the line when the Feds started go after Harborside and Oaksterdam.


ok, honestly, I'm not sure what 'he' did to 'go after' them, linkage would be awesome. Here in Colorado, the local federal prosecutor sent out letters to dispenseries that were within 1000 feet of a school that they had 45 days to close or they might get raided. Sure, that sucks for the individuals who invested in that location, but that is about the worst we've had to deal with on a federal level. Apparently, it is worse in Cali?
 
2012-09-24 10:01:46 PM

Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.


A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"
 
2012-09-24 10:07:22 PM

TimonC346: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

Yeah--but I'm not exactly sure why. I don't buy the argument that Big Pharma is scared of pot. I'd be willing to bet they are ready for it, medical grade pot or some kind of THC patch or something. Am I supposed to believe that the alcohol industry is afraid and lobbying against it? I know a ton of people, legal or not, that will smoke and drink, just smoke, or just drink. I don't buy that either.

Why do we still care?


The DEA is against it because they want the job security. DEA agents would ban smoking and drinking if they could.

People who worry about big pharma's reaction to this are just being naive. Big Pharma doesn't really care.
 
2012-09-24 10:07:36 PM

Novart: Hale-Bopp: Maechyll: The organized opposition to Prop 64 in Colorado is being headed by a former candidate for the US Senate named Ken Buck. A jackass who is on record as claiming to be an big advocate for States' Rights, and who is currently saying "bu-bu-but federal law whine piss moan lie..."

That's awesome. I also heard their funding is next to nothing compared to proponents of the bill. I can't help but think Colorado will be the first to legalize it. Then again, Washington and Oregon might get it too. I'm really not hearing much opposition at all in any of those states, in fact, especially when compared to the opposition Cali received in 2010.

I think 2012 is the beginning of the end of marijuana prohibition.

fark. I didn't believe it then, but now...

I really believe it!!

/feels good you guys

Marijuana is doing worse under a Democrat than under George Bush of all people. Obama has sent us back YEARS.


I think it's horrible under either federal administration. That's why I think we're gonna win this thing state by state. Just one is a great start, but we might get two or three!
 
2012-09-24 10:07:50 PM

BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"


So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
mikeely.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-24 10:09:15 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: ok, honestly, I'm not sure what 'he' did to 'go after' them, linkage would be awesome.


He's in charge of the executive branch of our federal govt.
 
2012-09-24 10:12:01 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Apparently, it is worse in Cali?


Yes, the state and most local govt (at least in NorCal) don't go after medical marijuana in any way, but the feds are cracking down hard here.
 
2012-09-24 10:12:05 PM

tricycleracer: Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?


Yes. CO has had several medical card holders fired. At least one case is still in the court system.
 
2012-09-24 10:13:12 PM

TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: ok, honestly, I'm not sure what 'he' did to 'go after' them, linkage would be awesome.

He's in charge of the executive branch of our federal govt.


??? yes, you are correct. Please go back and read what else I wrote and....

linkage is for closers.
www.onlygoodmovies.com
 
2012-09-24 10:18:24 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: ??? yes, you are correct. Please go back and read what else I wrote and....


You asked for a link between Obama and federal raids in CA and then started talking about Colorado and how it's going over there and the you asked if CA was different, and the answer to that is yes.
 
2012-09-24 10:19:19 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
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Is there anything to suggest that Obama won't try to do the same? So far, he's been very unreasonable on this issue. I don't care for Romney one bit, but Obama isn't exactly friendly either. If I was to vote on this one issue, I would go third party without hesitation.
 
2012-09-24 10:24:16 PM

Hale-Bopp: Is there anything to suggest that Obama won't try to do the same? So far, he's been very unreasonable on this issue. I don't care for Romney one bit, but Obama isn't exactly friendly either. If I was to vote on this one issue, I would go third party without hesitation.


There's minimal. However your 3rd party candidate of choice is not going to win, and anyone who is going to vote "Mormon guy who wants to ban porn" because they think Obama has been too tough on MMJ is deluded.
 
2012-09-24 10:24:43 PM

TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: ??? yes, you are correct. Please go back and read what else I wrote and....

You asked for a link between Obama and federal raids in CA and then started talking about Colorado and how it's going over there and the you asked if CA was different, and the answer to that is yes.


Ah, no. I asked, or meant to ask for a LINK. A news link. A link to a news article that proved your point that Cali was getting a boot to the neck on MJ.
 
2012-09-24 10:25:42 PM
This is bad news, for Obama. Sorta. You see, DEA is just another 3-letter word, just like INS. Don't worry, we'll just label them "undocumented medications" so they don't sound so evil and scary.
 
2012-09-24 10:27:13 PM

BSABSVR: anyone who is going to vote "Mormon guy who wants to ban porn" because they think Obama has been too tough on MMJ is deluded.


No one is saying that but I think it is very important for liberals and libertarians to go after Obama and the Democratic Party on this issue. Medical marijuana is more popular among the electorate than gay marriage and legal marijuana isn't far behind in support compared to gay marriage. I'm hoping the Democrats can do the same on the weed issue because liberals and moderates have no issue with weed.
 
2012-09-24 10:32:42 PM

ski9600: Yep, and it's kinda funny that the person who reported them was a legal MMJ producer


No shiat, where'd you see that?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 10:32:54 PM
People who worry about big pharma's reaction to this are just being naive. Big Pharma doesn't really care.

If medical marijuana did half of what it was claimed to do, Big Pharma would care.
 
2012-09-24 10:33:46 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: A link to a news article that proved your point that Cali was getting a boot to the neck on MJ.


Link
 
2012-09-24 10:34:32 PM

Hale-Bopp: Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
[mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 438x276]

Is there anything to suggest that Obama won't try to do the same? So far, he's been very unreasonable on this issue. I don't care for Romney one bit, but Obama isn't exactly friendly either. If I was to vote on this one issue, I would go third party without hesitation.


Yes. Today, yesterday, most of the last 4 years tells me he is way better on the issue. How is he being unreasonable on the issue? The reason we have as much freedom to partake of the MJ is because of Obama. When Bush was president, MMJ had passed in Colorado, but it was basically non-existent right because the DEA would come in and fark anybody up who tried to set up shop. After Obama was elected, the DEA backed off and went "states rights" on it.

POOF! Hundreds of dispenseries opened, thousands of growers set up shop, legal weed became a REALITY. Has the DEA tightened up since? Sure, somewhat, but it has been minor in Colorado, anyway.

I would have NO rights to MMJ if McCain won in 2008 and I fear we will be dragged, violently, back to the prohibitionist dark ages if a farking Mormon is made POTUS.
 
2012-09-24 10:43:09 PM

TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: A link to a news article that proved your point that Cali was getting a boot to the neck on MJ.

Link


So what. No individual growers have been targeted. They are going after COMMERCIAL growers and DISPENSERIES. How can you not see the difference from a mom-and-pop operation and the so-called "wal-mart" of weed???

Don't be a dick to your neighbors and flaunt it in the face of the DEA and you are fine. Unless America votes in a Mormon, then we're all screwed.
 
2012-09-24 10:45:00 PM

tricycleracer: Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?


Yes.
 
2012-09-24 10:45:58 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
[mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 438x276]


It's a good thing Obama would never do something like that.

/yes both sides are bad
 
2012-09-24 10:49:14 PM

NameDot: scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.

vaporizer


Cheeba chews, mang.
 
2012-09-24 10:50:42 PM

GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
[mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 438x276]

It's a good thing Obama would never do something like that.

/yes both sides are bad


One side is OBVIOUSLY better...Link
 
2012-09-24 10:53:26 PM
Anybody who thinks the Republican party is more in favor of legalizing cannabis needs to watch this video:

Link


Romney says he will NEVER legalize cannabis if he gets elected.

//Likes the term 'cannabis' over 'marijuana' or 'pot' which both have negative connotations to them.
 
2012-09-24 10:55:04 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Don't be a dick to your neighbors and flaunt it in the face of the DEA and you are fine.


How did Harborside do that?
 
2012-09-24 10:55:06 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
[mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 438x276]

It's a good thing Obama would never do something like that.

/yes both sides are bad

One side is OBVIOUSLY better...Link


And the side that those 2 sides won't let play is obviously even better in this aspect. 

/so vote republican
//not really
 
2012-09-24 10:56:19 PM

TheJoe03: Medical marijuana is more popular among the electorate than gay marriage and legal marijuana isn't far behind in support compared to gay marriage. I'm hoping the Democrats can do the same on the weed issue because liberals and moderates have no issue with weed.


Fewer and fewer conservatives are having issues with weed. It's going to take a few states decriminalizing before there can be a real conversationa about thos on the federal level. Until then it's going to sound like (and frequently be led by) Your 80 year old grandfather explaining to your 84 year old great uncle how devil weed and jazz are corrupting.
 
2012-09-24 10:56:40 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: DISPENSERIES.


That seems like quite a big deal, but whatever you love Obama to a fault and I'm sure you would justify his actions no matter what.
 
2012-09-24 10:58:19 PM

GanjSmokr: And the side that those 2 sides won't let play is obviously even better in this aspect.


Gary johnson has exactly zero chance to be president. His views on drug policy are immaterial.
 
2012-09-24 11:01:30 PM

TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: Don't be a dick to your neighbors and flaunt it in the face of the DEA and you are fine.

How did Harborside do that?


"Oakland's Harborside Health Center, known as the "nation's largest pot shop," has been targeted for closure simply because it's too big.

Harborside brings in some $20 million each year and employs more than 100 workers. Since Oakland imposes a five percent business tax on cannabis, its shuttering would not only cost the city dozens of jobs, but more than $1 million in potential revenues." 

I've heard to referred to as the "Wal-Mart of Weed".
 
2012-09-24 11:02:31 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: I've heard to referred to as the "Wal-Mart of Weed".


They have done nothing wrong, they are honestly the most legit and professional club in California.
 
2012-09-24 11:03:34 PM
But good thing to see a Democrat stick up for the DEA.
 
2012-09-24 11:03:41 PM

BSABSVR: GanjSmokr: And the side that those 2 sides won't let play is obviously even better in this aspect.

Gary johnson has exactly zero chance to be president. His views on drug policy are immaterial.


While I agree he has zero chance to win, I disagree that his views are immaterial but it's your right to dismiss him.
 
2012-09-24 11:05:33 PM

TheMysticS: Yeah, except in this case it's not about buying and selling human beings.

Derp.


It could be about anything. Abortion. Gay marriage. Or, to pick a headline from the news, public schools. Liberals were all about federal standards until they realized that those standards might run headlong into the state teacher's union goals, and then all of a sudden it's the big bad federal government with their jackboots stomping on the rights of citizens.

Liberals are so cute when you come to realize that maybe, just maybe, conservatives had a point about an overbearing federal government. Unfortunately, since you helped build the monstrosity, you have no credibility when it comes to dismantling it.
 
2012-09-24 11:09:23 PM

GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
[mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 438x276]

It's a good thing Obama would never do something like that.

/yes both sides are bad

One side is OBVIOUSLY better...Link

And the side that those 2 sides won't let play is obviously even better in this aspect. 

/so vote republican
//not really


Hey, like a lot of Coloradans, I have a big streak of libertarianism in my beliefs and if my only consideration was voting my conscience he might very well get my vote. But, living in 2012 America and living in a swing state, I'm forced to parse my vote and I choose to vote against the Mormon corporatist and for the guy I don't care for much, but who also happens to be OBVIOUSLY better when it comes to MJ rights.

Can you image what a douchebag Romney would be to Colorado if he wins, loses Colorado and Amendment 64 passes?
 
2012-09-24 11:10:01 PM

Lsherm: maybe, conservatives had a point about an overbearing federal government.


The same federal govt that always grows larger and more overbearing when the GOP is in power?
 
2012-09-24 11:14:11 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Hale-Bopp: Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
[mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 438x276]

Is there anything to suggest that Obama won't try to do the same? So far, he's been very unreasonable on this issue. I don't care for Romney one bit, but Obama isn't exactly friendly either. If I was to vote on this one issue, I would go third party without hesitation.

Yes. Today, yesterday, most of the last 4 years tells me he is way better on the issue. How is he being unreasonable on the issue? The reason we have as much freedom to partake of the MJ is because of Obama. When Bush was president, MMJ had passed in Colorado, but it was basically non-existent right because the DEA would come in and fark anybody up who tried to set up shop. After Obama was elected, the DEA backed off and went "states rights" on it.

POOF! Hundreds of dispenseries opened, thousands of growers set up shop, legal weed became a REALITY. Has the DEA tightened up since? Sure, somewhat, but it has been minor in Colorado, anyway.

I would have NO rights to MMJ if McCain won in 2008 and I fear we will be dragged, violently, back to the prohibitionist dark ages if a farking Mormon is made POTUS.


My understanding is that there have been far more marijuana related raids under Obama than there ever was during both of Bush's terms. What you're saying doesn't line up with what I've been reading in the news. Am I missing something?
 
2012-09-24 11:14:46 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
[mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 438x276]

It's a good thing Obama would never do something like that.

/yes both sides are bad

One side is OBVIOUSLY better...Link

And the side that those 2 sides won't let play is obviously even better in this aspect. 

/so vote republican
//not really

Hey, like a lot of Coloradans, I have a big streak of libertarianism in my beliefs and if my only consideration was voting my conscience he might very well get my vote. But, living in 2012 America and living in a swing state, I'm forced to parse my vote and I choose to vote against the Mormon corporatist and for the guy I don't care for much, but who also happens to be OBVIOUSLY better when it comes to MJ rights.

Can you image what a douchebag Romney would be to Colorado if he wins, loses Colorado and Amendment 64 passes?


"Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia

This time around, I have decided not to choose between what I consider to be two evils.
 
2012-09-24 11:15:09 PM

TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: I've heard to referred to as the "Wal-Mart of Weed".

They have done nothing wrong, they are honestly the most legit and professional club in California.


ok, I don't know them personally and that sucks if you are correct. BUT, we are not seeing heavyhanded enforcement in Colorado.

WE ARE NOT SEEING HEAVYHANDED ENFORCEMENT IN COLORADO!!! 

I can only make decisions on my own personal experience. That experience tells me Obama is WAY better than generic Republican and certainly better than Mormon Republican.
 
2012-09-24 11:18:58 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: That experience tells me Obama is WAY better than generic Republican and certainly better than Mormon Republican.


Probably but I don't think it makes sense to defend Obama on this, we shouldn't be silent about it just because he's generally on our "side". The only reason the Democrats are conservative on this issue is because no one is pressuring them into doing what their base wants. The Dems don't get a pass on this.
 
2012-09-24 11:19:26 PM

Hale-Bopp: My understanding is that there have been far more marijuana related raids under Obama than there ever was during both of Bush's terms. What you're saying doesn't line up with what I've been reading in the news. Am I missing something?


There were no dispensaries under Bush. You are trying to draw conclusions from a sample size of 1.
 
2012-09-24 11:19:36 PM
Who works for the DEA anyway? I mean, is there an office in Boston where I can apply for the job? Or do all these people come from a prick factory in southern Indiana?
 
2012-09-24 11:19:46 PM

Hale-Bopp: Ow! That was my feelings!: Hale-Bopp: Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
[mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 438x276]

Is there anything to suggest that Obama won't try to do the same? So far, he's been very unreasonable on this issue. I don't care for Romney one bit, but Obama isn't exactly friendly either. If I was to vote on this one issue, I would go third party without hesitation.

Yes. Today, yesterday, most of the last 4 years tells me he is way better on the issue. How is he being unreasonable on the issue? The reason we have as much freedom to partake of the MJ is because of Obama. When Bush was president, MMJ had passed in Colorado, but it was basically non-existent right because the DEA would come in and fark anybody up who tried to set up shop. After Obama was elected, the DEA backed off and went "states rights" on it.

POOF! Hundreds of dispenseries opened, thousands of growers set up shop, legal weed became a REALITY. Has the DEA tightened up since? Sure, somewhat, but it has been minor in Colorado, anyway.

I would have NO rights to MMJ if McCain won in 2008 and I fear we will be dragged, violently, back to the prohibitionist dark ages if a farking Mormon is made POTUS.

My understanding is that there have been far more marijuana related raids under Obama than there ever was during both of Bush's terms. What you're saying doesn't line up with what I've been re ...


Not comparable. There were ZERO dispensaries in Colorado when Bush was POTUS. There are hundreds now. The reason you never heard about raids under Bush is because there were no dispensaries to raid.

And after Obama's "war on weed" there are still hundreds of dispensaries and 100,000+ MMJ patients. This is a bogus 'controversy'.
 
2012-09-24 11:20:37 PM

TheJoe03: The same federal govt that always grows larger and more overbearing when the GOP either party is in power?


Fixed it for you.
 
2012-09-24 11:21:40 PM

TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: That experience tells me Obama is WAY better than generic Republican and certainly better than Mormon Republican.

Probably but I don't think it makes sense to defend Obama on this, we shouldn't be silent about it just because he's generally on our "side". The only reason the Democrats are conservative on this issue is because no one is pressuring them into doing what their base wants. The Dems don't get a pass on this.


DUDE!!!! READ THIS LINK....Link
 
2012-09-24 11:23:19 PM

Lsherm: Fixed it for you.


So your original argument is irrelevant than. Plenty of liberals AND conservatives with libertarian views and plenty on both sides with authoritarian views.
 
2012-09-24 11:23:20 PM
This thread sure got political quick. ObRomney sure as hell isnt going to do anything good.

st1cky: Anybody who thinks the Republican party is more in favor of legalizing cannabis needs to watch this video




If you read the news you know how Republicans feel about cannabis. Drugs, gay marriage, abortion, etc. The Republican party seems a bit too gung ho about telling adults what they can and cant do with their lives, as per a certain book of fairy tales.
 
2012-09-24 11:24:20 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: DUDE!!!! READ THIS LINK....Link


Dude, that's hella cool! Progress!
 
2012-09-24 11:24:28 PM
huh, that got garbled up a bit...
 
2012-09-24 11:24:33 PM

GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: BSABSVR: Hollie Maea: If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

A CO news reporter asked Romney that. His response was "Don't you have any real issues to ask me about?"

So, once again, Romney refuses to answer a policy question. Nice candidate you got there, Republicans. Since his religion forbides something as basic as coffee, I'm guessing Coloradans should get used to seeing this in their neighborhoods... 
[mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 438x276]

It's a good thing Obama would never do something like that.

/yes both sides are bad

One side is OBVIOUSLY better...Link

And the side that those 2 sides won't let play is obviously even better in this aspect. 

/so vote republican
//not really

Hey, like a lot of Coloradans, I have a big streak of libertarianism in my beliefs and if my only consideration was voting my conscience he might very well get my vote. But, living in 2012 America and living in a swing state, I'm forced to parse my vote and I choose to vote against the Mormon corporatist and for the guy I don't care for much, but who also happens to be OBVIOUSLY better when it comes to MJ rights.

Can you image what a douchebag Romney would be to Colorado if he wins, loses Colorado and Amendment 64 passes?

"Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia

This time around, I have decided not to choose between what I consider to be two evils.


ok, I respect that. I've done it myself. But Obama is clearly better on the MJ issue than Mormon Republican. Com'n...
 
2012-09-24 11:25:44 PM

BSABSVR: There were no dispensaries under Bush. You are trying to draw conclusions from a sample size of 1.


I moved to CA in 2006 and there definitely was dispensaries.
 
2012-09-24 11:29:20 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: ok, I respect that. I've done it myself. But Obama is clearly better on the MJ issue than Mormon Republican. Com'n...


No argument that between those 2 evils, Obama sucks less than Romney on pot views. I will not say one is better than the other because they both suck on the issue and both avoid addressing it like the plague.
 
2012-09-24 11:33:41 PM

TheJoe03: BSABSVR: There were no dispensaries under Bush. You are trying to draw conclusions from a sample size of 1.

I moved to CA in 2006 and there definitely was dispensaries.


We didnt have any walk in dispensaries open to the public in my area in 2006. They used to be a very private affair, invite only clubs, more "legit" to some extent (in that they werent hamburger stands for the 18-35 crowd like they are today). I wont say I saw an explosion coincide with Obama taking office, but the culture certainly did build up significantly in the past few years, until about late last year. Obama allowed the unthinkable to occur though, as the doomsday fed raids from last year swept my area. Before the raids, there were 30-40 shops within 15 minutes of my house, now we have only about 20. The majority of the rest were knocked into delivery services and other kinds of cannawork.
 
2012-09-24 11:33:42 PM

jaylectricity: Who works for the DEA anyway? I mean, is there an office in Boston where I can apply for the job? Or do all these people come from a prick factory in southern Indiana?


Nobody answered, which is fine, I see you have many debates to work on. I was just thinking if the DEA was people from the area it would be easy for the populace to brow beat their local DEA agents.
 
2012-09-24 11:38:36 PM

TheJoe03: BSABSVR: There were no dispensaries under Bush. You are trying to draw conclusions from a sample size of 1.

I moved to CA in 2006 and there definitely was dispensaries.


Sorry, should have been more clear. I was referencing the CO aspect. CO had no dispensaries under the Bush administration
 
2012-09-24 11:39:05 PM

GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: ok, I respect that. I've done it myself. But Obama is clearly better on the MJ issue than Mormon Republican. Com'n...

No argument that between those 2 evils, Obama sucks less than Romney on pot views. I will not say one is better than the other because they both suck on the issue and both avoid addressing it like the plague.


*sigh* I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I would have no right or access to MJ if it wasn't for Obama. Romney is a Mormon, a religion that bans coffee. My personal belief is that if Romney wins, we will see a violent and bloody crackdown by the "small government" Republican president. But only Republican Jesus knows for sure what will happen to my rights.
 
2012-09-24 11:41:57 PM

jaylectricity: I was just thinking if the DEA was people from the area it would be easy for the populace to brow beat their local DEA agents.


If the DEA is like other federal law enforcement, they typically assign you to an area where you aren't known. When I interviewed with the FBI, they told me that it wasn't impossible that I would eventually be assigned to my home town, but it was unlikely.
 
2012-09-24 11:45:02 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: ok, I respect that. I've done it myself. But Obama is clearly better on the MJ issue than Mormon Republican. Com'n...

No argument that between those 2 evils, Obama sucks less than Romney on pot views. I will not say one is better than the other because they both suck on the issue and both avoid addressing it like the plague.

*sigh* I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I would have no right or access to MJ if it wasn't for Obama. Romney is a Mormon, a religion that bans coffee. My personal belief is that if Romney wins, we will see a violent and bloody crackdown by the "small government" Republican president. But only Republican Jesus knows for sure what will happen to my rights.


What exactly has Obama done to give you right or access to MJ? States have been doing things to allow that access but what do you feel Obama has done specifically to assist them?
 
2012-09-24 11:49:37 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Not comparable. There were ZERO dispensaries in Colorado when Bush was POTUS. There are hundreds now. The reason you never heard about raids under Bush is because there were no dispensaries to raid.

And after Obama's "war on weed" there are still hundreds of dispensaries and 100,000+ MMJ patients. This is a bogus 'controversy'.


I'm not talking about Colorado. I'm talking about the entire country. There have been more raids under Obama's administration throughout the entire country. He basically helped ramp up the drug war.
 
2012-09-24 11:51:05 PM

BSABSVR: jaylectricity: I was just thinking if the DEA was people from the area it would be easy for the populace to brow beat their local DEA agents.

If the DEA is like other federal law enforcement, they typically assign you to an area where you aren't known. When I interviewed with the FBI, they told me that it wasn't impossible that I would eventually be assigned to my home town, but it was unlikely.


So you're in the law enforcement business?
 
2012-09-24 11:58:46 PM

GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: ok, I respect that. I've done it myself. But Obama is clearly better on the MJ issue than Mormon Republican. Com'n...

No argument that between those 2 evils, Obama sucks less than Romney on pot views. I will not say one is better than the other because they both suck on the issue and both avoid addressing it like the plague.

*sigh* I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I would have no right or access to MJ if it wasn't for Obama. Romney is a Mormon, a religion that bans coffee. My personal belief is that if Romney wins, we will see a violent and bloody crackdown by the "small government" Republican president. But only Republican Jesus knows for sure what will happen to my rights.

What exactly has Obama done to give you right or access to MJ? States have been doing things to allow that access but what do you feel Obama has done specifically to assist them?


Again, we had MMJ in Colorado prior to Obama, but it didn't matter because DEA. It was not an established 'right' and there was no such thing as an MMJ business. After Obama was elected, he told the DEA to back off and allow states to deal with it themselves. THEN!!!! Dispensaries took off and growers started growing. There was no MMJ in Colorado prior to that, except on an extremely limited scale, in spite of the state law.

I suppose you could make the assertion that now that it is 'established', it is safe. Not buying that at all. I think the religiously motivationed Republicans would want to hammer Colorado over it, especially to "pay us back" if we don't vote Romney.  Maybe I'm too cynical
 
2012-09-25 12:01:53 AM

Hale-Bopp: Ow! That was my feelings!: Not comparable. There were ZERO dispensaries in Colorado when Bush was POTUS. There are hundreds now. The reason you never heard about raids under Bush is because there were no dispensaries to raid.

And after Obama's "war on weed" there are still hundreds of dispensaries and 100,000+ MMJ patients. This is a bogus 'controversy'.

I'm not talking about Colorado. I'm talking about the entire country. There have been more raids under Obama's administration throughout the entire country. He basically helped ramp up the drug war.


ok, I agree. I'm very much against the entire, bullshiat 'war on drugs'. But, when it comes to mj, in Colorado, he has been better than any Prez in my lifetime. It is not even close.
 
2012-09-25 12:02:01 AM

jaylectricity: So you're in the law enforcement business?


Nope. 18 years ago I had a freshly minted BA in a foreign language and a part time job making $8 an hour. I saw that the FBI at the time wanted people with foreign language, accounting, or law degrees and I figured I would see if we were a fit.

We were not.
 
2012-09-25 12:04:58 AM

BSABSVR: jaylectricity: So you're in the law enforcement business?

Nope. 18 years ago I had a freshly minted BA in a foreign language and a part time job making $8 an hour. I saw that the FBI at the time wanted people with foreign language, accounting, or law degrees and I figured I would see if we were a fit.

We were not.


Heh, OK...I better change your color.
 
2012-09-25 12:05:05 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: ok, I respect that. I've done it myself. But Obama is clearly better on the MJ issue than Mormon Republican. Com'n...

No argument that between those 2 evils, Obama sucks less than Romney on pot views. I will not say one is better than the other because they both suck on the issue and both avoid addressing it like the plague.

*sigh* I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I would have no right or access to MJ if it wasn't for Obama. Romney is a Mormon, a religion that bans coffee. My personal belief is that if Romney wins, we will see a violent and bloody crackdown by the "small government" Republican president. But only Republican Jesus knows for sure what will happen to my rights.

What exactly has Obama done to give you right or access to MJ? States have been doing things to allow that access but what do you feel Obama has done specifically to assist them?

Again, we had MMJ in Colorado prior to Obama, but it didn't matter because DEA. It was not an established 'right' and there was no such thing as an MMJ business. After Obama was elected, he told the DEA to back off and allow states to deal with it themselves. THEN!!!! Dispensaries took off and growers started growing. There was no MMJ in Colorado prior to that, except on an extremely limited scale, in spite of the state law.

I suppose you could make the assertion that now that it is 'established', it is safe. Not buying that at all. I think the religiously motivationed motivated Republicans would want to hammer Colorado over it, especially to "pay us back" if we don't vote Romney.  Maybe I'm too cynical


ok, I've had enough. Time for me to head home and........smoke one. I feel like I've been in a thread with the NRA and GOA, geezus. Enjoy your evening folks, I'm out.
 
2012-09-25 12:07:40 AM
hahaha, I've been smoking this whole time, Ow! Go home and enjoy one.

/my shiat is schwag though :(
 
2012-09-25 12:14:25 AM

Oznog: If Amendment 64 passes, it will become almost immediately legal under Colorado law for adults to possess, grow, consume and give away up to an ounce of marijuana.

Wait, how do you GROW AN OUNCE of marijuana?? I'm picturing a little dwarf-bonsai version of a cannabis plant... your plant could be illegally large if allowed to grow full-size.



This is a beautiful thing about the cannabis laws, there is no authority running around and checking on your plants. If you are staying within your plant limit and arent drawing unwanted attention, youll be able to grow more weed than you can smoke, forever. I am allowed 6 mature plants by law, and 8 ounces dry. But, Ill surpass 8 ounces with just 2 plants, easily. What about all that weight on the other 4 plants? Just gotta stay within your plant limit.
 
2012-09-25 12:40:20 AM
Just offered on a lake-side house there. ;) 450k. This is going to be awesome.
 
2012-09-25 01:11:27 AM
If the DEA tries to roll-over Colorado after the election ... it won't roll over easily. Too many people here love their medical m.j.
 
2012-09-25 01:15:22 AM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


OK. We'll keep it illegal because you don't like the smell. Go fark yourself.
 
2012-09-25 08:19:54 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.

Yep, it's horrible here...
[peasinablog.com image 850x637]


The horror.....
 
2012-09-25 09:05:54 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: GanjSmokr: Ow! That was my feelings!: ok, I respect that. I've done it myself. But Obama is clearly better on the MJ issue than Mormon Republican. Com'n...

No argument that between those 2 evils, Obama sucks less than Romney on pot views. I will not say one is better than the other because they both suck on the issue and both avoid addressing it like the plague.

*sigh* I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I would have no right or access to MJ if it wasn't for Obama. Romney is a Mormon, a religion that bans coffee. My personal belief is that if Romney wins, we will see a violent and bloody crackdown by the "small government" Republican president. But only Republican Jesus knows for sure what will happen to my rights.

What exactly has Obama done to give you right or access to MJ? States have been doing things to allow that access but what do you feel Obama has done specifically to assist them?

Again, we had MMJ in Colorado prior to Obama, but it didn't matter because DEA. It was not an established 'right' and there was no such thing as an MMJ business. After Obama was elected, he told the DEA to back off and allow states to deal with it themselves. THEN!!!! Dispensaries took off and growers started growing. There was no MMJ in Colorado prior to that, except on an extremely limited scale, in spite of the state law.

I suppose you could make the assertion that now that it is 'established', it is safe. Not buying that at all. I think the religiously motivationed Republicans would want to hammer Colorado over it, especially to "pay us back" if we don't vote Romney.  Maybe I'm too cynical


I don't agree that Obama has actually done anything to help MMJ. You imply he kept the DEA from busting CO dispensaries, why didn't he do the same for CA. Why won't he answer questions about his stance on it when asked? Why doesn't he - as a leader - speak the truth about MJ and push harder for states' rights on this instead of droning on with the old "federal law blah blah blah" crap?

Meh, I've taken myself out of politics more and more lately. They can go ahead and do what they need to to. They never asked for my permission before, they sure aren't going to start now. It's just too much work caring about most of it anymore. I'd rather be happy than pissed all the time about it.  Good luck.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-25 09:37:32 AM
My impression is Obama doesn't dislike marijuana as much as Romney, but he sees no political advantage to be gained. The issue isn't partisan enough. Turn legalization into a liberal cause and he'll issue an executive order like he did to cut enforcement of illegal immigration law.
 
2012-09-25 10:27:39 AM

nmemkha: Archfeld: There is still the issue of driving under the influence of any substance which inhibits your ability to do so, illegal, legal, perscription or otherwise, and at the current time there IS NO MEDICAL way to test such.

So? That's what a field sobriety test is for. Time and time again grasping ninnys bring up this issue and time and time again they get shot down by logic.


Easy way to test if the driver is high, have the cop giggle a little bit, see if the driver starts laughing with, then say "man, are you high or what?"
 
2012-09-25 01:26:20 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: The Southern Dandy: It'll probably pass in Colorado because they don't have all the growers pumping money into the campaign against it like we did with Prop 19 here in California.

Although, it could be that California growers are pumping money into Colorado the same way the Mormon church pumped money into California for Prop 8.

While I agree that many 'old school' growers/suppliers were opposed to Cali Prop 19, they are not why it lost. It lost because besides the simple act of legalization, Prop 19 also decided to go after a company's ability to screen and not hire or fire MJ consumers. It would have setup an expensive and bureaucratic system of arbitration. That lead to massive opposition from big money corporations pouring millions into its defeat. Prop 19 was not a simple, yes or no on MJ legalization, it was basically a "union" bill to get weed legal. They farked it up.



i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-09-25 04:54:43 PM

ZAZ: Turn legalization into a liberal cause


Uh, hasn't it been one since the 60s?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-25 06:01:50 PM
TheJoe03

Legalization is probably supported more by liberals, but it isn't treated as a partisan issue.
 
2012-09-25 07:18:57 PM

ZAZ: but it isn't treated as a partisan issue.


Still a liberal cause.
 
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