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2012-09-24 03:03:26 PM
The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)
 
2012-09-24 03:05:24 PM

ZAZ: I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.

If I'm governor of Colorado I tell the DEA I am doing my legal duty and directing my employees not to grant any licenses to commit federal crimes. DEA agents are of course welcome to bust anybody caught growing or smoking the demon weed, but they'll have to do their own legwork.

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized. Raw marijuana is presumed not to generate an odor in legal quantities and they can still search you if they smell it.


If I'm the governor of any state where the feds are harassing and arresting my citizens for stupid shiat like cannabis, or gay marriage, I'm driving tanks through their farking office buildings.

IMO, state governors need to get together and show the feds who the fark actually runs this country, the CITIZENS. Gay marriage and cannabis are but two issues where the CITIZENS say "Change that shiat...", and the feds just need to fark right off and accept the g'damn will of the people.
 
2012-09-24 03:05:24 PM
Yet another on my list of states to avoid.
 
2012-09-24 03:05:55 PM
Didn't you guys know that the story "Jack and his Beanstalk" was about marijuana?
 
2012-09-24 03:06:01 PM

Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)


The DEA will get zero help from any local law enforcement. They won't be even be able to put a dent in it if the try. They will have to ship every agent they have to CO.
 
2012-09-24 03:06:15 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


I'm pretty sure most of the smell is of cheap moldy stank leaves. Tobacco will smell just the same if you smoke the undried left laying around leaves. I'm pretty sure quality dried leaves don't leave much of a smell. Anyone know firsthand?
 
2012-09-24 03:06:53 PM

Hale-Bopp: DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens.


You may be right, but then the Federal Government could just hold back all Federal Funding to the State of Colorado until the law is repealed. Remember there are no States Rights anymore.
 
2012-09-24 03:07:23 PM

Lachwen: A similar bill will be voted on in Oregon come November.

Damn right I'm voting for it.


OCTA won't pass. It's horribly written - it's such a poor bill, it's receiving no financial contributions from the groups pushing the measure in WA and CO.
 
2012-09-24 03:07:48 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Don't let hippies in your crawl space. Put some cats and rats and badgers or big snakes down there.
 
2012-09-24 03:08:10 PM

Saruman_W: Yet another on my list of states to avoid.


good, we don't like self-righteous assholes out here.
 
2012-09-24 03:09:48 PM

smitty04: Oznog: If Amendment 64 passes, it will become almost immediately legal under Colorado law for adults to possess, grow, consume and give away up to an ounce of marijuana.

Wait, how do you GROW AN OUNCE of marijuana?? I'm picturing a little dwarf-bonsai version of a cannabis plant... your plant could be illegally large if allowed to grow full-size.

I am picturing thousands of 1 oz. bags to give away after a charitable donation.
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Really. Years ago a friend and I grew our own one summer. We spread them out and in locations that would make them difficult to find. We culled out all the males. We maintained only five plants which were carefully pruned. We grew ourselves some respectable weed. But we were surprised at the yield. We kept only the tops, which yielded nearly a pound of dried product. We shared with friends and were quite popular.
 
2012-09-24 03:10:29 PM
This will be interesting when the argument hits that my neighbor "gave" me the weed, then I "gave" him $100. No sale here.
 
2012-09-24 03:10:39 PM

Tom_Slick: Hale-Bopp: DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens.

You may be right, but then the Federal Government could just hold back all Federal Funding to the State of Colorado until the law is repealed. Remember there are no States Rights anymore.


That might be hard to do with the SCOTUS PPACA decision. If the funding is currently taking place, placing restrictions on that current funding might not be constitutional.

Essentially, the SCOTUS said that threatening to withhold current funding in order to adhere to new regulations is not permitted.
 
2012-09-24 03:11:25 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

This. Cunning plan, etc. For better or for worse, marijuana/THC is still a schedule 1 controlled substance. All this will do is stir up a hornet's nest of jurisdictional fights like it did in Cali. (See "State-Licensed Medical Dispensaries - DEA Raids On")


I'm pretty sure the DEA's reaction is part of NORML et al's cunning plan. The inevitable crackdown is only going to convince more people that the DEA is a fascistic organization that's hurting America, and support for legalization on the federal level will increase.
 
2012-09-24 03:12:13 PM
I think this is a huge states rights issue. Last I checked the 10th amendment states very clearly "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words, if the constitution neither grants permission to the federal government to control something, nor denies it to the states to control, then it is under state control.
 
2012-09-24 03:12:17 PM

Tom_Slick: Hale-Bopp: DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens.

You may be right, but then the Federal Government could just hold back all Federal Funding to the State of Colorado until the law is repealed. Remember there are no States Rights anymore.


While possible, it would take an act of Congress to withhold those funds. Not likely.
 
2012-09-24 03:14:35 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: ZAZ: I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.

If I'm governor of Colorado I tell the DEA I am doing my legal duty and directing my employees not to grant any licenses to commit federal crimes. DEA agents are of course welcome to bust anybody caught growing or smoking the demon weed, but they'll have to do their own legwork.

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized. Raw marijuana is presumed not to generate an odor in legal quantities and they can still search you if they smell it.

If I'm the governor of any state where the feds are harassing and arresting my citizens for stupid shiat like cannabis, or gay marriage, I'm driving tanks through their farking office buildings.

IMO, state governors need to get together and show the feds who the fark actually runs this country, the CITIZENS. Gay marriage and cannabis are but two issues where the CITIZENS say "Change that shiat...", and the feds just need to fark right off and accept the g'damn will of the people.


It's amusing how "states rights!" liberals get once they learn how US government actually works.
 
2012-09-24 03:15:05 PM

Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)


We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.
 
2012-09-24 03:16:04 PM
Hollie Maea [TotalFark] Smartest Funniest
2012-09-24 01:28:26 PM

If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.

>> *** Hypocrate like typing detected *** <<



Obama's War on Pot
In a shocking about-face, the administration has launched a government-wide crackdown on medical marijuana

link



// i know, I know.. it's only wrong when republicans do it.
 
2012-09-24 03:16:38 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Saruman_W: Yet another on my list of states to avoid.

good, we don't like self-righteous assholes out here.


Agreed, no need for him to visit. And Focus on the Family can eat shiat too. I'll be voting for legalization and I don't even smoke it. If I did I could make a call and have a bag in 5 minutes.Or get a card (easy enough) and just buy it at a store.
 
2012-09-24 03:17:31 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.


There's yer problem. Hippies barely have enough money to cloth themselves, you think they have extra for good stuff? Their mentality is "Why buy an eighth of good stuff at $40, when I can get a half pound of ditch for the same price!"
 
2012-09-24 03:19:02 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


But we still have to put up with the smell of that crap you call "food" cooking, right?
 
2012-09-24 03:20:03 PM
Also, while marijuana vapor has a smell (its not all all like smoke), its dissipates quickly and leave no lasting scent unlike smoke.
 
2012-09-24 03:23:25 PM

malaktaus: The inevitable crackdown is only going to convince more people that the DEA is a fascistic organization that's hurting America, and support for legalization on the federal level will increase.


The fact that Mexico is bordering on failed state status should be enough to clue people in on that.
 
2012-09-24 03:23:33 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.


Yeah, but did you do it by ballot initiative and did it alter the state constitution as Amendment 64 is set to do? My understanding is that it's very hard to repeal a constitutional amendment, though I admit I don't know all the ins and outs there.
 
2012-09-24 03:25:48 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: That might be hard to do with the SCOTUS PPACA decision. If the funding is currently taking place, placing restrictions on that current funding might not be constitutional.

Essentially, the SCOTUS said that threatening to withhold current funding in order to adhere to new regulations is not permitted.



True for current funding, but remember a lot of Federal funding is in the form of grants that must be renewed every year.

Ow! That was my feelings!: While possible, it would take an act of Congress to withhold those funds. Not likely.


I would say very likely, there are very few politicians at the Federal level who would want to appear "soft on drugs"
 
2012-09-24 03:26:26 PM

shower_in_my_socks: xl5150: As a Californian who isn't a pothead, I don't give a flying fark about this. Doesn't suck to be California; Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.


So you don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted fighting a "war" on a substance that is no more harmful than alcohol and cigarettes? You don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted on incarcerating people for this? You don't care that the lives of your fellow citizens are being ruined over this?

You don't have to personally partake of marijuana to care about the insanity of our marijuana laws, which do affect you whether you want to believe it or not. Also, not all people who smoke marijuana are "potheads."


California spends hardly any money on marijuana enforcement. According to the state's current statistics, just 150 persons are in jail for marijuana possession, with another 513 in for distribution and 922 for 'possession for sale'. That's 1% of our state's prison population.
 
2012-09-24 03:26:27 PM
All the more reason to get a Republican back in the White House.

// Because Bush allowed California to pass its own laws and do their own thing but Obama has declared war on the dispensaries.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:08 PM
I hope we can get this done.

If we do NOT get federal goonsquads in here, great.

If we DO get them...well, maybe that's what it takes to get the "discussion" we were promised started.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:20 PM

Securitywyrm: I think this is a huge states rights issue. Last I checked the 10th amendment states very clearly "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words, if the constitution neither grants permission to the federal government to control something, nor denies it to the states to control, then it is under state control.


The commerce clause was used to interpret the 10th Amendment out of existence long ago.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:26 PM
Will do wonders for Colorado's tourism revenue.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:31 PM

JackieRabbit: Really. Years ago a friend and I grew our own one summer. We spread them out and in locations that would make them difficult to find. We culled out all the males. We maintained only five plants which were carefully pruned. We grew ourselves some respectable weed. But we were surprised at the yield. We kept only the tops, which yielded nearly a pound of dried product. We shared with friends and were quite popular.


Glad to see this got covered. Quite some time ago, I pulled 4 oz of decent bud from a single plant grown in a yard. If allowed grow strait up (for several reasons, I kept tying it horizontal) it wouldn't have been more than 6 ft.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:56 PM
If this does pass I suspect the population of Colorado to increase by 25,000 people a day.
 
2012-09-24 03:30:57 PM

Leeds: All the more reason to get a Republican back in the White House.

// Because Bush allowed California to pass its own laws and do their own thing but Obama has declared war on the dispensaries.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-24 03:34:02 PM

Killer Cars: malaktaus: The inevitable crackdown is only going to convince more people that the DEA is a fascistic organization that's hurting America, and support for legalization on the federal level will increase.

The fact that Mexico is bordering on failed state status should be enough to clue people in on that.


Most Americans don't give much of a shiat about what happens in foreign countries.
 
2012-09-24 03:34:14 PM

Hale-Bopp: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.

Yeah, but did you do it by ballot initiative and did it alter the state constitution as Amendment 64 is set to do? My understanding is that it's very hard to repeal a constitutional amendment, though I admit I don't know all the ins and outs there.


You probably have a different set-up in Colorado but pot was legalized by initiative in Arizona--at least medical marijuana in the latest reversal--but reversed by the legislature and the governor.
 
2012-09-24 03:35:42 PM
Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Hemp is great for clothes, archival paper, healthy oil and seeds to eat, etc
 
2012-09-24 03:35:44 PM
good luck getting out of the various laws Congress has passed and the international treaties that the US govt has entered into which make MJ illegal, CO.
 
2012-09-24 03:36:28 PM

WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?


Yup.
 
2012-09-24 03:38:18 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.

Yep, it's horrible here...
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The Bells are lovely this time of year.
 
2012-09-24 03:39:16 PM
it's all just a ploy to make sure the Nuggets stop losing all their best players.
 
2012-09-24 03:39:50 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: The Bells are lovely this time of year.


NO THEY"RE NOT!! DEADLY DANGEROUS!111!!1

DO NOT MOVE TO COLORADO111!!

IF YOU SEE COLORADO, MOVE THE OTHER WAY!!!11
 
2012-09-24 03:40:21 PM

Maechyll: WeenerGord: Will this make hemp farming legal too?

Yup.


What kind of farm contains only 6 plants?

My guess is- "nope"
 
2012-09-24 03:40:25 PM

scottydoesntknow: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.

There's yer problem. Hippies barely have enough money to cloth themselves, you think they have extra for good stuff? Their mentality is "Why buy an eighth of good stuff at $40, when I can get a half pound of ditch for the same price!"


Thus hippie has more than enough money to 'cloth' myself.

There's a difference between hippies, bums/nomads, and bliss bunnies.
Any one of these can be called 'hippies' but don't lump us all together. Man.

For example, I wear deoderant.
 
2012-09-24 03:40:52 PM

tricycleracer: Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?


Yep. That's a fact I've rarely seen come up in these groups. A private employer can always refuse to hire if you don't pass a drug test, including the testing for marijuana. And the fact is that while states may legalize or pseudo-legalize pot, it's still a federal offense so not strictly "legal" in the sense that you could sue an employer for discrimination for not hiring/retaining based on use.

I'm a pro-legal as it gets, FYI. I just don't think private industry is going to be disallowed to "discriminate" against pot users. Maybe if it passes federal law. I lived in COS and was in the process of getting a card, but I moved to IL for my job. Which is another thing to think of - if you move to a state where pot is not legal then...you better cleanse up or happy times getting employed.
 
2012-09-24 03:41:11 PM
Thus. Sheesh.
This.

Preview, shmeview.
 
2012-09-24 03:42:00 PM

TheMysticS: scottydoesntknow: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Hale-Bopp: The DEA has NOTHING on this bill. They are right and properly farked if voters legalize it this November in Colorado.

There's a provision in there that allows ANYONE to grow weed for personal use and to give it away to others. Even if there are no pot shops licensed by the state, the citizens will be growing weed by this time next year on a MASSIVE scale and the DEA is far too small to do anything about it. I highly doubt they have the resources to take on thousands of Colorado citizens. Weed is gonna be pouring out of that state and the entire country will eventually be saturated in nothing but great weed. So long, Mexican brick weed!!

It'll be a glorious thing to witness. :)

We've legalized pots numerous times in Arizona. And the legislature just writes new law and the governor just signs it, and the hippies just keep smoking Mexican or National Forest weed.

There's yer problem. Hippies barely have enough money to cloth themselves, you think they have extra for good stuff? Their mentality is "Why buy an eighth of good stuff at $40, when I can get a half pound of ditch for the same price!"

Thus hippie has more than enough money to 'cloth' myself.

There's a difference between hippies, bums/nomads, and bliss bunnies.
Any one of these can be called 'hippies' but don't lump us all together. Man.

For example, I wear deoderant.


Sell out. Power to the Stinky!!1!
 
2012-09-24 03:42:23 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.

Yep, it's horrible here...
peasinablog.com


Nice picture of Blue-bells mountain. I once hod my blue balls relieved right there at blue bells. (Just about 10 minutes up the trial that goes to the right of that pond.)

Good times. :)
 
2012-09-24 03:42:37 PM
Hey guys, I know joints smell bad and blah blah blah, but let me introduce you to my friend, the Atmosrx Stratus http://www.atmosrx.com/Stratus-Vaporizer-Kits/View-all-products.html

It is an ecigarrette that vaporizes hash oil. You can't smell it and it looks exactly like a normal e cig. You can buy a cartridge that you can refill yourself or you can buy cartridges at quite a few Colorado dispensaries. Also, all of the people hemming and hawing about the feds are missing the point. Colorado already has dispensaries that are under the most extensive and strict regulation in the country. They have implemented a "seed to sale" tracking system. All of the grow ops and dispensaries have cameras that feed back to the states and every marijuana purchase is attached to your medical card number. Sure there are some of them that are less than reputable, but the same could be said for many liquor stores. Many of them are actual pretty nice places with helpful staff and they are VERY serious about complying with laws and regulations.
 
2012-09-24 03:42:38 PM
Good luck with that Colorado. Neither one of the major candidate's DEA is likely to let you slide on that one. Mitt is outright against it and Obama has been putting away more potheads than Bush did.

/seriously...good luck.
 
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