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2012-09-24 02:36:40 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


This. Cunning plan, etc. For better or for worse, marijuana/THC is still a schedule 1 controlled substance. All this will do is stir up a hornet's nest of jurisdictional fights like it did in Cali. (See "State-Licensed Medical Dispensaries - DEA Raids On")
 
2012-09-24 02:36:51 PM

tricycleracer: How about bartering? Can I barter for marijuana?


If you're a personal friend of mine, yes.
 
2012-09-24 02:37:36 PM

Rurouni: Legalize it, and then tax the bejesus out of it. Everyone wins.


FTFY
 
2012-09-24 02:38:28 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Tah-dah! They already have! It's called "YOU DON'T HAVE TO SMOKE IT TO GET HIGH" You can just eat it. Have fun voting for it now that I've shown you the light.
 
2012-09-24 02:38:33 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: tricycleracer: How about bartering? Can I barter for marijuana?

If you're a personal friend of mine, yes.



Will trade grass for gas/ass.
 
2012-09-24 02:40:11 PM
Funny, I've had a legal cannabis based business in Colorady for over a year.
 
2012-09-24 02:40:11 PM

TimonC346: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

Yeah--but I'm not exactly sure why. I don't buy the argument that Big Pharma is scared of pot. I'd be willing to bet they are ready for it, medical grade pot or some kind of THC patch or something. Am I supposed to believe that the alcohol industry is afraid and lobbying against it? I know a ton of people, legal or not, that will smoke and drink, just smoke, or just drink. I don't buy that either.

Why do we still care?


They are scared of it because there is absolutely no way they can control or regulate it if people want to grow it themselves. They already have a pill out called Marinol which uses synthesized THC. Unfortunately the pill sucks and people who have it prescribed routinely drop it (because of price, dosage issues, time to take effect, etc.) in favor of the natural, grown kind.

If big pharma can't make money off a plant that has known beneficial effects, then they will do everything in their power to stop it from becoming legal. Why would you buy 13 different pills for your chemotherapy when one puff of a plant can alleviate all the issues at once?
 
2012-09-24 02:40:55 PM
For all intents and purposes, it IS legal in California, despite the dispensaries being closed down. It's just one extra step.
 
2012-09-24 02:41:13 PM

Tom_Slick: ZAZ: Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized.

As long as they can detain drivers who smell of it I have no problem.

/Smoke all you want just not in the car.


Any detectable amount in the blood will be used against drivers in accidents. Insurance will take note and jack up rates, as they should. There will be complaining ("Whoa, dude! Why should I have to pay extra just because I've lowered my reaction time by smoking pot non-stop since i was 14? You're just oppressing me, man.")
 
2012-09-24 02:41:29 PM
Does this mean that corperations iwll be able to grow it box it and sell it like any other local grower could?

I always find it weird that pot heads don't want to keep weed illegal and corporations don't want to make it legal. There is a lot of money to be made off of marijuana and with Tobacco being taxed through the roof selling weed is a great source of revenue. With weed legal though, pot heads wont be cool. If you can go to your local Walgreens and pick it up they completely lose there culture. It will be like Woodstock all over again.
 
2012-09-24 02:42:00 PM

Your Black Muslim Credit Union: Massachusetts already sort of legalized up to an ounce. You can get a ticket, but they usually don't bother. Although you can't buy it in stores. Saved the state millions in legal costs. Tax it would be a good step.


we have medical mj on the ballot this year. I'm hoping for a clean sweep of the measures. Make this a true liberal/logical bastion

1. allow repair shops get information on cars from dealers (or some such. It's one of those "really, that's not legal?" measures
2. assisted suicide
3. medical mj
 
2012-09-24 02:42:10 PM

scottydoesntknow: TimonC346: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

Yeah--but I'm not exactly sure why. I don't buy the argument that Big Pharma is scared of pot. I'd be willing to bet they are ready for it, medical grade pot or some kind of THC patch or something. Am I supposed to believe that the alcohol industry is afraid and lobbying against it? I know a ton of people, legal or not, that will smoke and drink, just smoke, or just drink. I don't buy that either.

Why do we still care?

They are scared of it because there is absolutely no way they can control or regulate it if people want to grow it themselves. They already have a pill out called Marinol which uses synthesized THC. Unfortunately the pill sucks and people who have it prescribed routinely drop it (because of price, dosage issues, time to take effect, etc.) in favor of the natural, grown kind.

If big pharma can't make money off a plant that has known beneficial effects, then they will do everything in their power to stop it from becoming legal. Why would you buy 13 different pills for your chemotherapy when one puff of a plant can alleviate all the issues at once?



Because smoking marijawanna is "burning incense to SATAN", that's why!
 
2012-09-24 02:42:11 PM

ZAZ: I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.


I think this was also the case for MMJ dispensaries - whose numbers shot through the roof until nearly every city in Northern Colorado decided to ban them. I think it just means that they would've been better off had they just started in unincorporated parts of the county.

This story's kinda funny, because we just had a huge drug bust locally: Link
 
2012-09-24 02:42:38 PM

Your Black Muslim Credit Union: Massachusetts already sort of legalized up to an ounce.


I think several states have already "decriminalized" it to an extent. You pretty much have to be also raping, stabbing, robbing, etc here in Seattle while smoking a joint to get any trouble from police, because marijuana usage was made "lowest priority" crime for the PD to concern themselves with it.
 
2012-09-24 02:43:15 PM
Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?
 
2012-09-24 02:43:44 PM

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


If you've got people living under your condo (presumably in some sort of cave complex), I think you've got bigger worries than smelling some pot smoke...
 
2012-09-24 02:43:56 PM

ShawnDoc: /California has decriminalized it by the way. The most you get now is a ticket for possession if you couldn't be bothered to jump through the medical-MJ hoops.



Yeah, but the City of LA just passed a law to shut down the medical marijuana shops here. The whole thing is a farking clusterfark. Just legalize it, release all of the people in prison on MJ raps, and move on to more important things.
 
2012-09-24 02:44:07 PM

Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Something tells me you have your own ways of irritating the neighbors.
 
2012-09-24 02:44:19 PM
Yeah, trucks smell, all trucks should be illegal, in fact, only I should be allowed to drive on the road.
 
2012-09-24 02:45:18 PM

Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Like, is there a soundless version of your biatching?
 
2012-09-24 02:45:42 PM
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2012-09-24 02:46:05 PM

tricycleracer: Question for the medical card holders out there: Can a company refuse to hire you for a positive drug test even if you have a medical card?


Yes and if Amendment 64 passes it will not affect a companies ability to fire or refuse to hire someone who smokes.
 
2012-09-24 02:47:13 PM
As a Californian who isn't a pothead, I don't give a flying fark about this. Doesn't suck to be California; Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.
 
2012-09-24 02:47:24 PM
How are the jobs in CO? Much software going out there.

No reason.... just asking.

Hear it's lovely...
 
2012-09-24 02:47:49 PM

Amos Quito: Ow! That was my feelings!: tricycleracer: How about bartering? Can I barter for marijuana?

If you're a personal friend of mine, yes.


Will trade grass for gas/ass.


and bacon.
 
2012-09-24 02:48:00 PM

Glendale: Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?


LOL
 
2012-09-24 02:48:42 PM

ZAZ: Rhode Island backed off implementing medical marijuana. State law requires state licenses. The feds warned state officials that they might go to prison as co-conspirators for giving out licenses. If state officials kept out of prison their list of licenses would still be subject to subpoena. Colorado's scheme has the same vulnerability. For now legalization should have no permits or taxes specific to marijuana, nothing to leave a paper trail.


Except Colorado's medical marijuana laws are an amendment to the State's Constitution. Little harder to get rid of or deny that way.
 
2012-09-24 02:49:17 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


Interstate Commerce Clause, biyaches. The 2005 SCOTUS case Gonzales v. Raich clarified that very subject- the ICC provision of the US Constitution DOES mean federal laws on marijuana supersede state laws allowing it.

Actually, a law "allowing something" is a funky case, although hardly unique. The US system of laws and rights holds that unless something is specifically illegal, it is your right to do so. As such, it's unnecessary to make laws saying it's LEGAL to do something.

Not all govts hold to this. Certain dictatorships make it clear "in practice" that you're supposed to "do things" only as directed by the govt. That's a polar opposite of rights.

It is my right to grow sunflowers and no law is needed to say I may grow sunflowers, you don't WANT a system of law which requires specific permission from the govt to DO any given thing.
It is common for laws to state things are unlawful, but list EXCEPTIONS of what is not unlawful in the test. That's a subtle difference, though. It's limiting what you're making illegal in the scope of the law, but not a law asserting it is legal to do something.

Sure, we still have bureaucracy where "you must get car insurance". But that's not actually the law. You must get car insurance to drive on public roads. And that's not the law- the law says it's "unlawful to drive on public roads unless insured", and would never say "you may drive on public roads with insurance". Subtle but important wording difference, especially when trying to combine overlapping.laws. Logically it's very difficult to combine "you may drive with insurance" and "you may drive with a Driver's License", that's an OR condition. "It is unlawful to drive on public roads without a licence" and "it is unlawful to drive without insurance" logically interact with no ambiguity.
 
2012-09-24 02:50:18 PM
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2012-09-24 02:47:13 PM


As a Californian who isn't a pothead, I don't give a flying fark about this. Doesn't suck to be California; Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.




You should really try expanding your mind a little.
Then maybe you'd know someone else is banging your woman.
 
2012-09-24 02:50:44 PM
So much agitation about the stupid act of inhaling smoke from burning vegetation.

Legalize it because it helps identify the stupid and the Federal government can then shift its efforts to controlling illegal immigration.
 
2012-09-24 02:51:29 PM
But but but. Think of all the DEA agents and cops that will be put out of work and how much money the private prisons, gun, ammo, and armor manufactures will lose out on.
 
2012-09-24 02:51:39 PM

jjwars1: Glendale: Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?

LOL


Why is that funny? Doesn't the federal law have to be changed too?
 
2012-09-24 02:52:35 PM

scottydoesntknow: TimonC346: Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.

Yeah--but I'm not exactly sure why. I don't buy the argument that Big Pharma is scared of pot. I'd be willing to bet they are ready for it, medical grade pot or some kind of THC patch or something. Am I supposed to believe that the alcohol industry is afraid and lobbying against it? I know a ton of people, legal or not, that will smoke and drink, just smoke, or just drink. I don't buy that either.

Why do we still care?

They are scared of it because there is absolutely no way they can control or regulate it if people want to grow it themselves. They already have a pill out called Marinol which uses synthesized THC. Unfortunately the pill sucks and people who have it prescribed routinely drop it (because of price, dosage issues, time to take effect, etc.) in favor of the natural, grown kind.

If big pharma can't make money off a plant that has known beneficial effects, then they will do everything in their power to stop it from becoming legal. Why would you buy 13 different pills for your chemotherapy when one puff of a plant can alleviate all the issues at once?


Yeah--I assume so. There has been so much out there about how pot really doesn't do much, article, studies, etc. I've never looked into who funded them. More and more though, when I speak to people who know or knew cancer victims, one common thread is that marijuana helps in a way nothing else does--especially in the case of chemotherapy nausea. Now that it's been shown to combat certain forms of cancer...well, perhaps you are correct.
 
2012-09-24 02:52:38 PM
You would think big corporations would have jumped on this years ago. Lobbying for its legalization and putting a brand on it making it available for all. Maybe they just don't know what kind of money can be made.
 
2012-09-24 02:53:26 PM

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: For all intents and purposes, it IS legal in California, despite the dispensaries being closed down. It's just one extra step.


Exactly. Because of my friend who was smoking while on chemo last year I met two dispensary owners who had their leases yanked, and who as a consequence became mobile dispensaries instead. This has VASTLY complicated already failing efforts to stamp out mj here. It's so easy here you just call your local dude who brings it to your house for cost plus a $10 tip (think pizza delivery). And because there is no more store rent and employees to pay, the price is going down.
 
2012-09-24 02:53:47 PM
I have a relative that works growing for a dispensary. So, after reading all the comments I'm really getting a kick..

/legalize it already
//making regular trips to CO for a "visit"
///we need a SPLIFFY tag!!
 
2012-09-24 02:54:12 PM
If Amendment 64 passes, it will become almost immediately legal under Colorado law for adults to possess, grow, consume and give away up to an ounce of marijuana.

Wait, how do you GROW AN OUNCE of marijuana?? I'm picturing a little dwarf-bonsai version of a cannabis plant... your plant could be illegally large if allowed to grow full-size.
 
2012-09-24 02:55:53 PM
 
2012-09-24 02:56:02 PM
The smell issue is actually sort of interesting to think about. MJ smokes smells really, really strong. Definitely a more powerful smell than tobacco. Whether or not you find the smell offensive is besides the point: some people will and it's inconsiderate to subject them to either smell, really.

Anyways, I don't imagine this will go anywhere but enough baby steps will eventually get MJ out of the war on drugs. Even though I probably wouldn't smoke it, I'm all for legalization. It's madness to be waging an expensive war on MJ and putting people in prison for possession.
 
2012-09-24 02:56:53 PM
The same issue was on the statewide ballot here (Colorado) in 2006 and it failed by a wide margin.
The current governor, who made his living selling alcohol, opposes the issue.

I'll vote for it again, but I'll be surprised if it actually passes.
 
2012-09-24 02:56:55 PM

Glendale: Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?


Yes. And as long as the feds have it listed as a controlled subsance, it'll be illegal. No state law can negate federal regulation, and the DEA and ATF make their living on it. It'll prolly take a civil war to break the stalemate.
 
2012-09-24 02:57:45 PM

xl5150: As a Californian who isn't a pothead, I don't give a flying fark about this. Doesn't suck to be California; Sucks to be California if you're a pothead.



So you don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted fighting a "war" on a substance that is no more harmful than alcohol and cigarettes? You don't care that your tax dollars are being wasted on incarcerating people for this? You don't care that the lives of your fellow citizens are being ruined over this?

You don't have to personally partake of marijuana to care about the insanity of our marijuana laws, which do affect you whether you want to believe it or not. Also, not all people who smoke marijuana are "potheads."
 
2012-09-24 02:59:29 PM
Meanwhile in South Park, Randy Marsh wipes his brow, and sheds a tear as he realizes he can take his testicles out of the microwave at long last. What do they want? Bigger doors. Where do they want them? In weed stores. A half pound of Alabama Kush, and a quarter pound of Rainy Day Woman.
 
2012-09-24 03:00:37 PM

Oznog: Actually, a law "allowing something" is a funky case, although hardly unique. The US system of laws and rights holds that unless something is specifically illegal, it is your right to do so. As such, it's unnecessary to make laws saying it's LEGAL to do something.



Well, yeah, kinda.  But you can word a *restrictive* law in a way that makes other things *unrestricted*
 
You'd start by saying pot is illegal to possess at X weight and above, and illegal to sell.  You've created a restrictive law but also documented that it is LEGAL to own pot at X weight and below.
 
2012-09-24 03:00:39 PM
I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.
 
2012-09-24 03:01:07 PM

Oznog: If Amendment 64 passes, it will become almost immediately legal under Colorado law for adults to possess, grow, consume and give away up to an ounce of marijuana.

Wait, how do you GROW AN OUNCE of marijuana?? I'm picturing a little dwarf-bonsai version of a cannabis plant... your plant could be illegally large if allowed to grow full-size.


I am picturing thousands of 1 oz. bags to give away after a charitable donation.
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2012-09-24 03:02:38 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I could understand this. You'd have to be high to live in Colorado.


Yep, it's horrible here...
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2012-09-24 03:02:40 PM

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


The justice department has already told California that they would vigorously enforce the federal ban on MJ if the voters there approved a similar measure to legalize recreational use. It lost. Although the DoJ has not yet spoken up about this amendment (it is an election year), I predict it will fail. This is because 47% support the measure and 38% don't, with 15% still undecided. The majority of the undecideds will, in all probability, decide against it. One wither sees the use of MJ as a personal and mostly harmless choice or something bad that other people shouldn't be allowed to do. Americans love to prevent others from doing the things they disapprove of. The legalization of recreational MJ use will come, but not this year, I'm betting. There are still too many people who believe that MJ is a gateway drug and the MJ users are sex-crazed maniacs and losers.
 
2012-09-24 03:03:18 PM

Jument: The smell issue is actually sort of interesting to think about. MJ smokes smells really, really strong. Definitely a more powerful smell than tobacco. Whether or not you find the smell offensive is besides the point: some people will and it's inconsiderate to subject them to either smell, really.

Anyways, I don't imagine this will go anywhere but enough baby steps will eventually get MJ out of the war on drugs. Even though I probably wouldn't smoke it, I'm all for legalization. It's madness to be waging an expensive war on MJ and putting people in prison for possession.



I'm pretty damn sure that any state that legalizes pot were one of the first to have no-smoking-in-public laws.  And I'm sure pot smoking is incuded in such.  Or would be ammended.
 
Because technically you can get a little high from second hand pot smoke, can't you?
 
/Don't smoke pot, maybe that's a myth.
 
2012-09-24 03:03:18 PM
As a Colorado resident, I'm happy to see this progressing.
 
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