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(Huffington Post)   Colorado may well be the first state to legalize marijuana. Like, as in, you can grow your own pot plants and give it to your friends kind of legalize. Sucks to be you, California   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 369
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2012-09-24 12:25:55 PM  
i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 12:28:53 PM  
Rhode Island backed off implementing medical marijuana. State law requires state licenses. The feds warned state officials that they might go to prison as co-conspirators for giving out licenses. If state officials kept out of prison their list of licenses would still be subject to subpoena. Colorado's scheme has the same vulnerability. For now legalization should have no permits or taxes specific to marijuana, nothing to leave a paper trail.
 
2012-09-24 12:43:24 PM  
I am trusting other Farkers to be better read, here...But don't the licensing requirements only apply for commercial production and sale? If legal=legal, in the state of Colorado, it would seem to be a non-starter for local LEOs to be asking who can and cannot grow weed in their yard. Am I missing something? Is it the cold medicine?
 
2012-09-24 12:46:17 PM  

skink: I am trusting other Farkers to be better read, here...But don't the licensing requirements only apply for commercial production and sale? If legal=legal, in the state of Colorado, it would seem to be a non-starter for local LEOs to be asking who can and cannot grow weed in their yard. Am I missing something? Is it the cold medicine?



I think its akin to homebrewing beer.  Its legal to do it (there is some limit of some sort that I think is far above what even the most serious hobbyists would reach).  Its legal to give it away.  Not legal to sell.
 
2012-09-24 12:55:50 PM  
Then I need ZAZ to post again and explain his post.

It would be funny if the Colorado position was essentially the Hunter S. Thompson position...That any drug worth doing should be given away, not sold.
 
2012-09-24 12:58:12 PM  
Good.

One of the best things about moving to the Netherlands is my confirmation that society does not go insane if you legalize stuff like pot and prostitutes and gay marriage. Still chugging along just fine, thanks.

/see some of you at the Amsterdam Fark party this weekend
 
2012-09-24 01:00:53 PM  
Should have used the spliffy tag.
 
2012-09-24 01:06:50 PM  
When California last tried legalization, the NorCal growers and a bunch of the dispensary owners helped fund the fight against it. The growers were complaining that their margins had already been hit by medical-mj, and that legalization would allow too much competition and further lower their margins. The dispensaries were against it, because despite the law saying they needed to be non-profit, many of them are set up in such a way to pay a lot of money to the owners (See the guy on Survivor from a few years ago who was bragging about all the money he was making as a dispensary owner).

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

/California has decriminalized it by the way. The most you get now is a ticket for possession if you couldn't be bothered to jump through the medical-MJ hoops.
 
2012-09-24 01:09:38 PM  
Huffington Post?

More like Puffington Host, amirite!
 
2012-09-24 01:11:46 PM  
I like where this is headed. Congress and the Fed won't do anything to legalize it despite the fact that a majority of citizens now support outright legalization. If more states flat out legalize it, it could be argued that it's a legitimate State's Rights issue...and it will weaken the DEA.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 01:19:17 PM  
I read the text of the measure. I think it allows the state to do nothing and regulatory authority devolves to cities. Nobody would have standing to force the legislature or executive to take statewide action called for by the amendment.

If I'm governor of Colorado I tell the DEA I am doing my legal duty and directing my employees not to grant any licenses to commit federal crimes. DEA agents are of course welcome to bust anybody caught growing or smoking the demon weed, but they'll have to do their own legwork.

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized. Raw marijuana is presumed not to generate an odor in legal quantities and they can still search you if they smell it.
 
2012-09-24 01:21:31 PM  

slayer199: I like where this is headed. Congress and the Fed won't do anything to legalize it despite the fact that a majority of citizens now support outright legalization. If more states flat out legalize it, it could be argued that it's a legitimate State's Rights issue...and it will weaken the DEA.


I'm wondering how a movement to implement a Constitutional amendment through the state convention process would work. The amendment would be something along the lines of "US Gov't can't enforce marijuana laws within the U.S." or something like that.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-24 01:22:20 PM  
slayer199

As a political concept states' rights might gain traction with outright legalization.

As a legal concept the Supreme Court voted 6-3 that states have no rights. (Gonzales v. Raich)
 
2012-09-24 01:23:48 PM  
Rocky Mountain high... Colorado...

Rocky Mountain high... High in Colorado...
 
2012-09-24 01:28:26 PM  
If I were moderating a debate, I would ask Romney if, when he said that Marijuana is a state issue, he was suggesting that if this measure passes he would instruct the DEA to honor the state law.

But I'm not moderating a debate.
 
2012-09-24 01:48:11 PM  
Uh, yeah, the DEA would like a word with you, Colorado...
 
2012-09-24 01:50:37 PM  
UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.
 
2012-09-24 01:53:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Huffington Post?

More like Puffington Host, amirite!


Funny.

It should be legalized everywhere. Resources should be spent busting meth cookers and bath salt sellers, ya know, the drugs that are a threat to the safety of the rest of us.
 
2012-09-24 02:02:42 PM  

Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.


Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.
 
2012-09-24 02:15:22 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.


Also Marinol.
 
2012-09-24 02:20:14 PM  
It's a farking weed.
Legalize it.
Grow it for fun and profit.
Why does America hate agronomy?
 
2012-09-24 02:22:26 PM  

jaylectricity: scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.

Also Marinol.


Marinol sucks ass though. Since big pharma would have no way of capitalizing on legalization, they decided to synthesize THC and put it in pill form. The only problem with that is the patients hate it and routinely switch back to the grown cannabis. The effects of marinol take anywhere from 1-3 hours to take effect, wheras smoking it takes effect immediately. Since the pill comes in predetermined doses, the patient's can't control intake either, and many complain of effects being too-intense.
 
2012-09-24 02:26:50 PM  
It's funny how many assume that these legalization efforts only affect the states that pass them (their neighbors tend to benefit, too).
 
2012-09-24 02:27:35 PM  
If only they'd have the balls to arrest DEA agents. Now that would be exciting.
 
2012-09-24 02:28:08 PM  
How about bartering? Can I barter for marijuana?
 
2012-09-24 02:28:38 PM  

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


Are you saying that like it's a bad thing?
 
2012-09-24 02:28:46 PM  

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.



OBAMNEY will NOT tolerate such insubordination!

Just say NO to State's Rights!
 
2012-09-24 02:29:39 PM  

ZAZ: Massachusetts courts decided the smell of burnt marijuana no longer justified a search after possession of less than an ounce was decriminalized.


As long as they can detain drivers who smell of it I have no problem.

/Smoke all you want just not in the car.
 
2012-09-24 02:29:50 PM  

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


Well that's pretty selfish of you.
 
2012-09-24 02:29:59 PM  
Massachusetts already sort of legalized up to an ounce. You can get a ticket, but they usually don't bother. Although you can't buy it in stores. Saved the state millions in legal costs. Tax it would be a good step.
 
2012-09-24 02:31:49 PM  
Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?
 
2012-09-24 02:31:52 PM  
Headline, six months later: Colorado in the midst of historical 250% budget surplus.
 
2012-09-24 02:32:18 PM  

downstairs: I think its akin to homebrewing beer. Its legal to do it (there is some limit of some sort that I think is far above what even the most serious hobbyists would reach). Its legal to give it away. Not legal to sell.


100 gallons of beer + 100 gallons of wine for a single adult. 200 + 200 for a household with more than one adult.
 
2012-09-24 02:32:32 PM  
and then the colorado spring's freepers....

www.ezimages.net

/spring freepers!
 
2012-09-24 02:32:44 PM  

AbbeySomeone: scottydoesntknow: Huffington Post?

More like Puffington Host, amirite!

Funny.

It should be legalized everywhere. Resources should be spent busting meth cookers and bath salt sellers, ya know, the drugs that are a threat to the safety of the rest of us.



remodelista.com

I understand busting meth cookers, but why do you want to bathe salt cellars?
 
2012-09-24 02:33:40 PM  
Way too many "ifs" in that article. Gather your seeds just in case.
 
2012-09-24 02:33:59 PM  
Yeah right, you forget where Focus on the Family is based out of.

The Feds will squash this in no time flat.
 
2012-09-24 02:34:00 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.


OK. As soon as they want to make all odorless versions legal, I'm all for that.

If I ruled the world, I would not have to smell like anyone's nasty habit against my will.
 
2012-09-24 02:34:03 PM  
Someone think of all of the unemployed cops.
 
2012-09-24 02:34:21 PM  

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


I don't like the way it smells so people should go to jail for this! And it still won't stop my neighbors from smoking it!
 
2012-09-24 02:35:08 PM  

Glendale: Doesn't this not matter at all because it's still a federal crime?



Unconstitutional
"federal crime".


/Unconstawhut???
 
2012-09-24 02:35:15 PM  
Three-Fifty 2012-09-24 01:50:37 PM


UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.




I agree! That's why I'm also voting for an initiative to make seafood illegal. And farting.
 
2012-09-24 02:35:22 PM  
Legalize it, and then tax the bejesus out of it. Everyone wins.
 
2012-09-24 02:35:37 PM  

Weaver95: i'm pretty sure that if Colorado does this, the DEA will go f*cking nuts.


Yeah--but I'm not exactly sure why. I don't buy the argument that Big Pharma is scared of pot. I'd be willing to bet they are ready for it, medical grade pot or some kind of THC patch or something. Am I supposed to believe that the alcohol industry is afraid and lobbying against it? I know a ton of people, legal or not, that will smoke and drink, just smoke, or just drink. I don't buy that either.

Why do we still care?
 
2012-09-24 02:35:57 PM  

ShawnDoc: When California last tried legalization, the NorCal growers and a bunch of the dispensary owners helped fund the fight against it. The growers were complaining that their margins had already been hit by medical-mj, and that legalization would allow too much competition and further lower their margins. The dispensaries were against it, because despite the law saying they needed to be non-profit, many of them are set up in such a way to pay a lot of money to the owners (See the guy on Survivor from a few years ago who was bragging about all the money he was making as a dispensary owner).

Plus, now cops won't be able to claim "they smelled marijuana" as justification for an illegal search.

/California has decriminalized it by the way. The most you get now is a ticket for possession if you couldn't be bothered to jump through the medical-MJ hoops.


My Uncle grows it in the mountains in CA and he is totally against legalization. It is crazy. He could easily go to jail for years if anyone found his farm, but because of the money he makes he hates the idea of it being illegal. Crazy.
 
2012-09-24 02:36:05 PM  

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


www.vaporlot.com

and the smell is not why you are voting against it. Your argument is specious.
 
HBK
2012-09-24 02:36:08 PM  

Three-Fifty: UGH. NO. Not if I have anything to say about it. I am voting against this.

Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal. Regular ciggies are stinky enough. I don't need the people living under my condo to smoke it MORE so my home can smell of it 24/7.


3/10

Should've bought a house.
 
2012-09-24 02:36:14 PM  

Three-Fifty: scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.

OK. As soon as they want to make all odorless versions legal, I'm all for that.

If I ruled the world, I would not have to smell like anyone's nasty habit against my will.


Thank god you don't rule the world then
 
2012-09-24 02:36:36 PM  

Three-Fifty: scottydoesntknow: Three-Fifty: Until they can make a completely odorless and/or smokeless version of it, I will never vote to make it legal.

Yea, they do already. Brownies, cookies, candies, butter, etc. Hell you can cook a 5-course meal using it. Use some of the canna-butter to make a béarnaise sauce for your steak, it's like eating a cut from heaven.

OK. As soon as they want to make all odorless versions legal, I'm all for that.

If I ruled the world, I would not have to smell like anyone's nasty habit against my will.



THIS!


/Also fish!
 
2012-09-24 02:36:37 PM  

AbbeySomeone: It should be legalized everywhere. Resources should be spent busting meth cookers and bath salt sellers, ya know, the drugs that are a threat to the safety of the rest of us.


THIS X 1,000,000 !!!!

Take the criminal stigma away from pot to be considered like alcohol will get rid of the demand for meth and bath salts. Regulate it as such as over 18, don't toke and drive and all will be good.

When this happens I will buy stock in Frito-Lay As well as Weed Inc.
 
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