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2012-09-24 12:26:50 PM
Right, because we really need another crappy top down fantasy rpg dungeon grindfest...
 
2012-09-24 12:29:46 PM
Ahhh kickstarter. Every company's dream come true. Investment capital from the masses, none of the risk, all of the reward.
 
2012-09-24 12:32:18 PM
Awesome, I cannot wait.
 
2012-09-24 12:32:32 PM
It's the Planescape Torment developers?

i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-24 12:35:02 PM

Honest Bender: Right, because we really need another crappy top down fantasy rpg dungeon grindfest...


Considering all the other RPG choices/genres of late have been letdowns in one way or another, I'm looking forward to giving the old style a chance to come back.

/Skyrim's good, but lacks real choice
//Mass Effect crashed right at the ending.
 
2012-09-24 12:36:36 PM

Tax Boy: It's the Planescape Torment developers?

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 500x281]

And the first two Fallouts. That alone sold me because I have yet to play Planescape: Torment. Was planning to, but, well, Psychonauts and FTL grabbed my attention first.
 
2012-09-24 12:36:42 PM

Honest Bender: Right, because we really need another crappy top down fantasy rpg dungeon grindfest...


Never played Planescape: Torment, then?
 
2012-09-24 12:37:28 PM
bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com

24? Try AN.
/Come at us, bro.
 
2012-09-24 12:38:29 PM
And here we go again.

The hoards think they're buying something instead of throwing their money into a pit and hoping that a rainbow flys out.

At least now you can't completely make shiat up anymore. The space elevator people and the Build the starship enterprise tard can no longer suck the money from ignorant morons.

/still waiting to see a single foot long carbon nanotube.
//I'd shiat a brick if someone showed me a 15cm diameter carbon nanotube cable a meter long
 
2012-09-24 12:41:32 PM
Have there been any decent kickstarter games that were finished and released?
 
2012-09-24 12:42:59 PM
Not Spiffy: It's Obsidian Entertainment

How many sequel games have these guys screwed up after being handed amazing titles?
 
2012-09-24 12:48:20 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Not Spiffy: It's Obsidian Entertainment

How many sequel games have these guys screwed up after being handed amazing titles?


KOTOR 2: Not as good as KOTOR, but I enjoyed it.
Fallout New Vegas: Better than Fallout 3.

I fail to see your point.
 
2012-09-24 12:48:43 PM
Who regulates those sites? What stops someone from saying I am a double amputee war veteran who is designing my first rpg shooter game to help world peace and puppies?
 
2012-09-24 12:49:33 PM

HeartBurnKid: Honest Bender: Right, because we really need another crappy top down fantasy rpg dungeon grindfest...

Never played Planescape: Torment, then?


Sure I did. I know most nerds have some sort of major love affair with the game, but I found it to be only so-so. It was alright. The writing was certainly good and funny. But the actual game was middle of the road. It didn't leave much of a lasting impression on me.

/I'd rather play Torchlight 2.
 
2012-09-24 12:49:53 PM
This is why I'm thankful for the neverwinter nights community and all the player created content. Even though the game's around 10 years old it still rocks because of the great stories. I'll take substance over eye candy any day.
 
2012-09-24 12:51:53 PM

AntonChigger: RoyFokker'sGhost: Not Spiffy: It's Obsidian Entertainment

How many sequel games have these guys screwed up after being handed amazing titles?

KOTOR 2: Not as good as KOTOR, but I enjoyed it.
Fallout New Vegas: Better than Fallout 3.

I fail to see your point.


I think the issue is being handed a sequel, and given a hard deadline and limited funding, in exchange for a direct payment, with no royalties. I'd like to see them take their time with something they love, and really build a nice game.
 
2012-09-24 12:54:42 PM

Braggi: Who regulates those sites? What stops someone from saying I am a double amputee war veteran who is designing my first rpg shooter game to help world peace and puppies?


... nothing. Link
 
2012-09-24 12:55:17 PM

Braggi: Who regulates those sites? What stops someone from saying I am a double amputee war veteran who is designing my first rpg shooter game to help world peace and puppies?


Nobody and nothing.

you aren't even investing with kickstarter. You are donating money. They are not actually under any legal obligation to finish their product. They can, completely legally, just take the money and run.

That said, Kickstarted does have systems in place that force people to justify how they are going to be able to complete the project, so Joe Luddite can't promise to make a computer game without owning a computer.
 
2012-09-24 12:56:16 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Have there been any decent kickstarter games that were finished and released?


FTL: Faster Than Light is pretty fantastic. It's a cross between a roguelike and a boardgame.
 
2012-09-24 12:56:18 PM

Hebalo: Ahhh kickstarter. Every company's dream come true. Investment capital from the masses, none of the risk, all of the reward.


yeah, about the risk thing...
 
2012-09-24 01:04:06 PM

sprawl15: FTL: Faster Than Light is pretty fantastic. It's a cross between a roguelike and a boardgame.


Yeah, it's pretty good. Keep developing what i think are perfect ships, then something comes out of nowhere and wrecks all my shiat. I'm pissed off for maybe 5 minutes then i start all over again.
 
2012-09-24 01:05:13 PM

fluffy2097: Braggi: Who regulates those sites? What stops someone from saying I am a double amputee war veteran who is designing my first rpg shooter game to help world peace and puppies?

Nobody and nothing.

you aren't even investing with kickstarter. You are donating money. They are not actually under any legal obligation to finish their product. They can, completely legally, just take the money and run.

That said, Kickstarted does have systems in place that force people to justify how they are going to be able to complete the project, so Joe Luddite can't promise to make a computer game without owning a computer.


I would suggest to stick with known entities. If the person doing the kickstart is a complete unknown be warry. In this cas there are some well known people attached. People with a trackrecord of being able in some form of delivering the goods.

Though there are some very low entry point kickstarters where the idea or dream of the finished product is enough to justify the investment. For example some band kickstarters, ya I will throw a 5 at you so you can get into a recording studio. It is cheap for me and the idea in itself will make me fell at least $5 fuzzier for a while. Though I will check out that they have some presence in their respected market.
 
2012-09-24 01:07:47 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Not Spiffy: It's Obsidian Entertainment

How many sequel games have these guys screwed up after being handed amazing titles?


Well, supposedly their games ended up crappy due to publishers pushing them out too early. Since they're running their own schedule now, thing will hopefully be better. We'll see.
 
2012-09-24 01:10:12 PM

Honest Bender: Right, because we really need another crappy top down fantasy rpg dungeon grindfest...


Is your comparison of the Baldur's Gate series and Planescape: Torment to a "dungeon grindfest" an attempt at "trolling", or are you merely mentally incompetent?
 
2012-09-24 01:11:20 PM
I trust them to actually make the game, and they have my money (I missed the Early Bird, so they get an extra five dollars out of me).

I look forward to forgetting about my donation and getting a weird birthday present from myself two years into the future.
 
2012-09-24 01:11:46 PM

Saiga410: I would suggest to stick with known entities. If the person doing the kickstart is a complete unknown be warry. In this cas there are some well known people attached. People with a trackrecord of being able in some form of delivering the goods.


Bingo!

I don't have a problem with kickstarter, though I'm sure people will say I do because I talk shiat about their user base.

It's a great resource for people who need funds, and it's going to be an even greater source of petulant butthurt when kickstarters that are obviously destined for failure start failing.

/you promised me my own enterprise shuttle craft!
//whar is it kickstarter!
///Oh man that's gonna be good
////We might even get some neat products out of people who are competent too.
 
2012-09-24 01:12:02 PM

Ramien: Honest Bender: Right, because we really need another crappy top down fantasy rpg dungeon grindfest...

Considering all the other RPG choices/genres of late have been letdowns in one way or another, I'm looking forward to giving the old style a chance to come back.

/Skyrim's good, but lacks real choice
//Mass Effect crashed right at the ending.


I installed and played through Baldur's Gate Trilogy immediately after being disappointed by the end of Mass Effect 3.

/Even without the Ascension mod, the series has a substantially more satisfying and understandable ending than does Mass Effect3
//I recommend the Ascension mod.
 
2012-09-24 01:19:14 PM

sprawl15: Fark_Guy_Rob: Have there been any decent kickstarter games that were finished and released?

FTL: Faster Than Light is pretty fantastic. It's a cross between a roguelike and a boardgame.


Thanks - I'll check it out
 
2012-09-24 01:20:24 PM

Dimensio: Honest Bender: Right, because we really need another crappy top down fantasy rpg dungeon grindfest...

Is your comparison of the Baldur's Gate series and Planescape: Torment to a "dungeon grindfest" an attempt at "trolling", or are you merely mentally incompetent?


Good writing, bland game play. I call that a so-so game. YMMV. Like I said, I know a lot of gamers have a serious chubby for those games. A good story goes a long way towards me enjoying a game. But bland game play is bland game play.
 
2012-09-24 01:23:47 PM
I I will out myself as an Obsidian fanboy here, it seems that these are the guys that take everything other teams work on and make it better, and their original ideas are not too shabby either:

Baldur's Gate 2 (back in the Black Isle days): Better than Baldur's Gate.

KOTOR 2: Story is better than KOTOR which, let's face it, is rather formulaic. Obsidian brought some real darkness to the Star Wars universe and even muddied the binary choice system a bit before its time. It was crappy because the publisher gave them a year to work on it.

Fallout: New Vegas: Basically Fallout 3 only better. Humor was brought back, the world was much better put together, and the missions were much more memorable than anything in Bethesda's turn with it.

Neverwinter Nights 2: Not that it would take much, but, once again, the story was better than Bioware's turn with the game, and, in my opinion, the overall system was closer to D&D than the original (bonuses for story elements, actions, etc.)

Alpha Protocol: Stephen Heck is one of the most underrated characters in gaming. There, I said it. Alpha Protocol's story is interesting, but Obsidian seemed to be trying way too many things with it. Also Sega rushed it.
 
2012-09-24 01:34:14 PM

Daquin: KOTOR 2: Story is better than KOTOR which, let's face it, is rather formulaic.


Daquin: Neverwinter Nights 2: Not that it would take much, but, once again, the story was better than Bioware's turn with the game



???

I love Obsidian as well, but lets not pretend that NWN2 wasn't the most formulaic D&D game ever.

It's so over the top formulaic comapred to it's MoTB expansion pack (or other Obsidian games, for that matter) that I have to wonder if Obsidian was doing an elaborate parody/troll of some sort with it.
 
2012-09-24 01:36:23 PM

fluffy2097: Saiga410: I would suggest to stick with known entities. If the person doing the kickstart is a complete unknown be warry. In this cas there are some well known people attached. People with a trackrecord of being able in some form of delivering the goods.

Bingo!

I don't have a problem with kickstarter, though I'm sure people will say I do because I talk shiat about their user base.

It's a great resource for people who need funds, and it's going to be an even greater source of petulant butthurt when kickstarters that are obviously destined for failure start failing.

/you promised me my own enterprise shuttle craft!
//whar is it kickstarter!
///Oh man that's gonna be good
////We might even get some neat products out of people who are competent too.


the same can be said for any investment though. If you fall for a scam pitch, you lose your money. That's why it's vital to know something about who's asking for the money, and if they can actually make good in the end.
 
2012-09-24 01:37:03 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: RoyFokker'sGhost: Not Spiffy: It's Obsidian Entertainment

How many sequel games have these guys screwed up after being handed amazing titles?

Well, supposedly their games ended up crappy due to publishers pushing them out too early. Since they're running their own schedule now, thing will hopefully be better. We'll see.


I will concede that point; Obsidian has had to work on tight deadlines. I'm still not holding out hope just yet.
 
2012-09-24 01:37:24 PM
oh boy, obsidion. at least this time when its a buggy POS they wont be able to do their usual thing and blame it on someone else
 
2012-09-24 01:41:01 PM

J. Frank Parnell: sprawl15: FTL: Faster Than Light is pretty fantastic. It's a cross between a roguelike and a boardgame.

Yeah, it's pretty good. Keep developing what i think are perfect ships, then something comes out of nowhere and wrecks all my shiat. I'm pissed off for maybe 5 minutes then i start all over again.


F*** distress calls, you're on your own.

/went from 7 crew to 4 in one system. GAH.
 
2012-09-24 01:44:58 PM

Daquin: I I will out myself as an Obsidian fanboy here, it seems that these are the guys that take everything other teams work on and make it better, and their original ideas are not too shabby either:

Baldur's Gate 2 (back in the Black Isle days): Better than Baldur's Gate.

KOTOR 2: Story is better than KOTOR which, let's face it, is rather formulaic. Obsidian brought some real darkness to the Star Wars universe and even muddied the binary choice system a bit before its time. It was crappy because the publisher gave them a year to work on it.

Fallout: New Vegas: Basically Fallout 3 only better. Humor was brought back, the world was much better put together, and the missions were much more memorable than anything in Bethesda's turn with it.

Neverwinter Nights 2: Not that it would take much, but, once again, the story was better than Bioware's turn with the game, and, in my opinion, the overall system was closer to D&D than the original (bonuses for story elements, actions, etc.)

Alpha Protocol: Stephen Heck is one of the most underrated characters in gaming. There, I said it. Alpha Protocol's story is interesting, but Obsidian seemed to be trying way too many things with it. Also Sega rushed it.


KotoR2 actually had an amazing ending - your Jedilings actually go after the big-baddies WITHOUT YOU on Malachor and FAIL. All of the choices previously made have a huge impact. It is all on the disk, with loads of voice content as well, they just implemented the lame ending on top of it. Damn due dates!
 
2012-09-24 01:45:03 PM

Mr_H: J. Frank Parnell: sprawl15: FTL: Faster Than Light is pretty fantastic. It's a cross between a roguelike and a boardgame.

Yeah, it's pretty good. Keep developing what i think are perfect ships, then something comes out of nowhere and wrecks all my shiat. I'm pissed off for maybe 5 minutes then i start all over again.

F*** distress calls, you're on your own.

/went from 7 crew to 4 in one system. GAH.


I thought for sure that either borderlands 2 or torchlight 2 would be the game of the year, and take up all my gaming time for months. I have barely touched either since I got FTL.
 
2012-09-24 01:47:37 PM

Mr_H: J. Frank Parnell: sprawl15: FTL: Faster Than Light is pretty fantastic. It's a cross between a roguelike and a boardgame.

Yeah, it's pretty good. Keep developing what i think are perfect ships, then something comes out of nowhere and wrecks all my shiat. I'm pissed off for maybe 5 minutes then i start all over again.

F*** distress calls, you're on your own.

/went from 7 crew to 4 in one system. GAH.


About 80% of my good games are ended by a swift kick to the life support systems. HULL BREACH AND FIRE AND BOARDING PARTY OH NOES
 
rpm
2012-09-24 01:47:38 PM

Mr_H: went from 7 crew to 4 in one system. GAH.


7-4? I tend to go 4-0 :-P
 
2012-09-24 01:50:59 PM
Planescape Torment is hands down the best f'ing D&D based game ever.

I loved one of the complaints about it; "you can get through most of the game without fighting if you wanted to, including all the boss encounters."

And "too much reading."
 
2012-09-24 01:52:44 PM

Mr_H: J. Frank Parnell: sprawl15: FTL: Faster Than Light is pretty fantastic. It's a cross between a roguelike and a boardgame.

Yeah, it's pretty good. Keep developing what i think are perfect ships, then something comes out of nowhere and wrecks all my shiat. I'm pissed off for maybe 5 minutes then i start all over again.

F*** distress calls, you're on your own.

/went from 7 crew to 4 in one system. GAH.


Solar flares got me for the longest time starting out. Then i learned to open the airlocks and seal the important rooms. Now my biggest problem are the nebula which cut your available power in half. Get me every time unless i can warp out before serious damage is done.

/Nice shields and weapons you got there.
//oh, wait, NO SHIELDS AND WEAPONS FOR YOU
 
2012-09-24 01:53:58 PM
Well, at least I know I'm not the only one suffering FTL-itis.

/seriously need backup O2
 
2012-09-24 02:04:31 PM
Being free of publisher constraints and things like the ESRB ratings system will also allow the game to delve into more mature subject matter that fantasy worlds normally ignore, Sawyer said. Things like "slavery, hostile prejudice (racial, cultural, spiritual, sexual), drug use and trade, and so on" will all help flesh out the story and add a believable core to the highly fictional world, he said.

It's not so much that those things being in a video game bothers me, it's that those particular guys in the video are the ones implementing it. Can you imagine that weird cyclist guy coming up with a playable sex slavery fantasy?
 
2012-09-24 02:16:49 PM

Antimatter: the same can be said for any investment though. If you fall for a scam pitch, you lose your money. That's why it's vital to know something about who's asking for the money, and if they can actually make good in the end.


Kickstarter is not a investment. It is a DONATION.

If it was an investment, you would be entitled to a share of any profits.

You are not entitled to a share of a kickstarters profits. They just promise to send you an NPR tote bag if they ever complete their project.

/I really hope you aren't investing money on your own...
 
2012-09-24 02:24:50 PM
Every time...

www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org
 
2012-09-24 02:27:33 PM
As someone who pledged to this project on day 1 and is currently replaying through Torment, I'm getting a kick...


/damned game crashed halfway through the Modron maze. Grrr....
 
2012-09-24 02:28:15 PM

fluffy2097: Antimatter: the same can be said for any investment though. If you fall for a scam pitch, you lose your money. That's why it's vital to know something about who's asking for the money, and if they can actually make good in the end.

Kickstarter is not a investment. It is a DONATION.

If it was an investment, you would be entitled to a share of any profits.

You are not entitled to a share of a kickstarters profits. They just promise to send you an NPR tote bag if they ever complete their project.

/I really hope you aren't investing money on your own...


That reminds me, NPR still owes me a Nina Totenbag.
 
2012-09-24 02:31:23 PM
Meh, I'm content with the (nicely done) EoTB spin-off:

livingwithanerd.com
 
2012-09-24 02:34:37 PM
The only Kickstarter I'm gonna be a part of this year...

Link
 
2012-09-24 02:38:14 PM

Daquin: Alpha Protocol: Stephen Heck is one of the most underrated characters in gaming. There, I said it. Alpha Protocol's story is interesting, but Obsidian seemed to be trying way too many things with it. Also Sega rushed it.


I loved Alpha Protocol. Seriously. It was flawed, but fun as hell. But I don't know how much they were "rushed". The game was set to be released and then it got delayed about another eight months to iron out flaws. A game can only be delayed for so long before needing to be released.

I honestly think had Alpha Protocol been released before Mass Effect 2 was, it would have been better received.
 
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