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2012-09-24 09:51:59 AM
Mittens? I like Rmoney better... it speaks to the core of him.
 
2012-09-24 09:58:06 AM
It's kinda hard to give up on him when he's sewn into the sleeves.
 
2012-09-24 09:59:34 AM

WTF Indeed: It's kinda hard to give up on him when he's sewn into the sleeves.


The GOP has no glove for mittens.

/sad effort, weasel.
 
2012-09-24 10:09:35 AM
it sounds like the actual insider/elites within the GOP are finally having to consider Romney's actual chances against Obama. A bright light, realistic hard look at their chosen candidate, with all his flaws balanced against his advantages...and they're not liking what they see.
 
2012-09-24 10:11:02 AM
They're freaking out because they just assumed they had this thing sewn up by simply being not-Obama. It never occurred to them, they never imagined, that wouldn't work, never mind that we proved just back in 2004 that being not-someone else doesn't work.
 
2012-09-24 10:11:06 AM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Mittens? I like Rmoney better... it speaks to the core of him.


It's Willard Mittens Rmoney, over B. Hussein Fartbongo any day.
 
2012-09-24 10:12:34 AM

GAT_00: They're freaking out because they just assumed they had this thing sewn up by simply being not-Obama. It never occurred to them, they never imagined, that wouldn't work, never mind that we proved just back in 2004 that being not-someone else doesn't work.


Well, it was Not-Obama +$1,000,000,000. They thought that might be a winner.
 
2012-09-24 10:14:36 AM
It's all about raising money for the downticket races now. Once they pulled the big ad dollars out of the swing states it's like sending in the JV to get a few snaps
 
2012-09-24 10:17:58 AM
Life long Dem. These guys win either way. It's sad. I don't think it will ever change. Sigh.....
 
2012-09-24 10:19:21 AM
t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-24 10:25:56 AM
When the GOP tries to convince Americans that the opponent is a muslin-atheist, commie-fascist, then yes, they think it is in the bag. Why would any American vote for a person like that?

But when they actually have to face and debate the real Obama, instead of the imaginary Obama, then they have nothing to use against him... and reality will (should) be cruel to them.
 
2012-09-24 10:33:36 AM

GAT_00: They're freaking out because they just assumed they had this thing sewn up by simply being not-Obama. It never occurred to them, they never imagined, that wouldn't work, never mind that we proved just back in 2004 that being not-someone else doesn't work.


to be fair, that strategy DID work very well among GOP voters. what I find amazing to consider is the fact that apparently the Republicans all decided that their echo chamber was an accurate reflection of reality for the rest of the country. seriously guys? did you really think everyone was just like you?
 
2012-09-24 10:37:06 AM
They would if they could but they can't so they won't
 
2012-09-24 10:39:21 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: They would if they could but they can't so they won't


I don't know, the data on Romney's ads suggests his money is far lower than expected.
 
2012-09-24 10:44:24 AM

Weaver95: it sounds like the actual insider/elites within the GOP are finally having to consider Romney's actual chances against Obama. A bright light, realistic hard look at their chosen candidate, with all his flaws balanced against his advantages...and they're not liking what they see.


I think they are having a hard look at their candidate and are starting to realize what they are in for if he wins.

There's something fundamentally unsettling about dealing with a person who doesn't seem to have any core, who seems to be essentially a human mirror. There is something downright terrifying about giving a person like that any sort of power.
 
2012-09-24 10:46:00 AM

GAT_00: MaudlinMutantMollusk: They would if they could but they can't so they won't

I don't know, the data on Romney's ads suggests his money is far lower than expected.


But they keep trying to say it's a close race, too. Only reason I can think of is to keep the dream alive

/someone must be making money off of it
 
2012-09-24 10:50:42 AM

gilgigamesh: I think they are having a hard look at their candidate and are starting to realize what they are in for if he wins.

There's something fundamentally unsettling about dealing with a person who doesn't seem to have any core, who seems to be essentially a human mirror. There is something downright terrifying about giving a person like that any sort of power.


I don't get why that bothers them. Republicans haven't run on fundamental concepts or specifics for years.
 
2012-09-24 10:59:24 AM
meh, if they didn't give up on McCain when that one was even more in the bag, they're not giving up on Mitt. Plus they're probably still hoping for a miracle in the debates.
 
2012-09-24 10:59:50 AM
Who had the sacrificial lamb .jpg in the other thread? That was money.
 
2012-09-24 11:03:57 AM
And so Mitt would retire to lounge on his 250 million dollars on a beach in the Caymans? Cry me a river.
 
2012-09-24 11:04:03 AM

gilgigamesh:

There's something fundamentally unsettling about dealing with a person who doesn't seem to have any core, who seems to be essentially a human mirror. There is something downright terrifying about giving a person like that any sort of power.


this is especially relevant, as I am almost done watching season one of Dollhouse.
 
2012-09-24 11:05:47 AM
Well, if Salon says so....
 
2012-09-24 11:06:39 AM

gilgigamesh: Weaver95: it sounds like the actual insider/elites within the GOP are finally having to consider Romney's actual chances against Obama. A bright light, realistic hard look at their chosen candidate, with all his flaws balanced against his advantages...and they're not liking what they see.

I think they are having a hard look at their candidate and are starting to realize what they are in for if he wins.

There's something fundamentally unsettling about dealing with a person who doesn't seem to have any core, who seems to be essentially a human mirror. There is something downright terrifying about giving a person like that any sort of power.


He's basically a leas sociopathic version of The Smiler from Transmet.
 
2012-09-24 11:06:52 AM
Not being Bush didn't work in 2008
Not being Clinton didn't work in 2000
Not being Bush didn't work in 2004
Not being Obama in 2012 won't work either.
 
2012-09-24 11:09:17 AM
I mistakenly tried to talk politics with my mother-in-law on Friday. It started out okay and then started going south so I said "let's not talk about this anymore. you have your views, I have mine and neither of us are going to change our minds."

she then said "It is you that can't see and needs to change your views. If Obama wins it will be doomsday."

I left the room.
 
2012-09-24 11:09:36 AM

Weaver95: it sounds like the actual insider/elites within the GOP are finally having to consider Romney's actual chances against Obama. A bright light, realistic hard look at their chosen candidate, with all his flaws balanced against his advantages...and they're not liking what they see.


A couple months ago, they could reasonably tell themselves that the conventions haven't happened yet, and there's time for things to change. Here we are in late September, it's coming down to crunch time, and Romney's numbers are moving the wrong way.
 
2012-09-24 11:10:43 AM
The vast majority of his supporters don't like them, it's just that they are voting not-Obama. Some have valid reasons for not liking Obama's policies, but most believed the lies and misinformation.
 
2012-09-24 11:10:51 AM

GAT_00: They're freaking out because they just assumed they had this thing sewn up by simply being not-Obama. It never occurred to them, they never imagined, that wouldn't work, never mind that we proved just back in 2004 that being not-someone else doesn't work.


See I think most of the GOP knew this year was a sunk cost way earlier in the process. Like right about the time Mitt was the best candidate they could muster. Newt's been a punch-line for years, Lol Ron Paul, and the rest of them were either bug nuts or not a big enough name to be taken seriously.
 
2012-09-24 11:10:57 AM

GAT_00: gilgigamesh: I think they are having a hard look at their candidate and are starting to realize what they are in for if he wins.

There's something fundamentally unsettling about dealing with a person who doesn't seem to have any core, who seems to be essentially a human mirror. There is something downright terrifying about giving a person like that any sort of power.

I don't get why that bothers them. Republicans haven't run on fundamental concepts or specifics for years.


Never raising taxes, ever, under any circumstance is pretty farking fundamental to me, at least. It also happens to disqualify you from governing, IMO.
 
2012-09-24 11:11:58 AM

qorkfiend: Weaver95: it sounds like the actual insider/elites within the GOP are finally having to consider Romney's actual chances against Obama. A bright light, realistic hard look at their chosen candidate, with all his flaws balanced against his advantages...and they're not liking what they see.

A couple months ago, they could reasonably tell themselves that the conventions haven't happened yet, and there's time for things to change. Here we are in late September, it's coming down to crunch time, and Romney's numbers are moving the wrong way.


true...but they also seem confused as to the cause of those numbers moving the wrong way. And that is something that I find truly incomprehensible. How can the GOP be that clueless? someone at some point HAD to look around and realize that their attitude of 'f*ck you I got mine' wasn't going to play well with the rest of the country. I mean they HAD to know that, right?
 
2012-09-24 11:13:09 AM

Weaver95: GAT_00: They're freaking out because they just assumed they had this thing sewn up by simply being not-Obama. It never occurred to them, they never imagined, that wouldn't work, never mind that we proved just back in 2004 that being not-someone else doesn't work.

to be fair, that strategy DID work very well among GOP voters. what I find amazing to consider is the fact that apparently the Republicans all decided that their echo chamber was an accurate reflection of reality for the rest of the country. seriously guys? did you really think everyone was just like you?


Asked and answered.

// well - answered, then asked
 
2012-09-24 11:13:16 AM
Lacking success, evil feeds upon itself.
 
2012-09-24 11:14:36 AM
here's the real questions
After the election is over does the GOP:
A) realize they lost based on a platform that gained them no minority votes and came off as out of touch
B) We ran Romney who was not a True Conservativetm this time we will run a True True Conservative
 
2012-09-24 11:14:43 AM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Mittens? I like Rmoney better... it speaks to the core of him.


I like RobMe myself.

As to TFA, I think some have already given up on him. Why else would the PAC's pull ads out of PA, OH, MI and WI? If Romney doesn't win 3 out of 4 of those states, it won't matter what else he does. Here in NC I'm still getting some PAC ads for Romney, but more and more often it's the ads from his campaign itself, and the PAC ads are starting to target Congressional and state seats. Romney is a damaged product, and he keeps damaging his product every time he opens his mouth in a nonscripted interview. The debates are going to be epic.
 
2012-09-24 11:15:06 AM
The handful of smart ones have. The rest are whistling past the graveyard.
 
2012-09-24 11:15:27 AM

jayhawk88: GAT_00: They're freaking out because they just assumed they had this thing sewn up by simply being not-Obama. It never occurred to them, they never imagined, that wouldn't work, never mind that we proved just back in 2004 that being not-someone else doesn't work.

See I think most of the GOP knew this year was a sunk cost way earlier in the process. Like right about the time Mitt was the best candidate they could muster. Newt's been a punch-line for years, Lol Ron Paul, and the rest of them were either bug nuts or not a big enough name to be taken seriously.


There is a lack of leadership in the GOP. A lack of effective charismatic leaders. There are dirty scumbag leaders like Karl Rove, but no one with the appeal of Obama or Clinton.

They know this. Their party is only really bolstered by old white men. The baby boom is serving them well but the rest of the damn universe doesn't. They're dying.
 
2012-09-24 11:16:34 AM
They never gave him a chance.

It really is "Fine, whatever, it's his turn, I guess".
 
2012-09-24 11:16:41 AM
It's the economy stupid. Jesus would lose when nobody has a job.
 
2012-09-24 11:16:53 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Not being Bush didn't work in 2008
Not being Clinton didn't work in 2000
Not being Bush didn't work in 2004
Not being Obama in 2012 won't work either.


I dunno if it's just that. I think there's just not enough truth in their portrayals of Obama's record. They try to make it like the economy is worse than 2008. Like jobs haven't been on the rise (albeit slowly) and that the entire national debt is somehow all Obama's fault. And people are wising up to the big lie. That trickle down/supply side economics creates jobs and strengthens the middle class.
 
2012-09-24 11:17:10 AM
David Brooks and Joe Scarborough are not exactly the GOP.
 
2012-09-24 11:17:32 AM

Weaver95: qorkfiend: Weaver95: it sounds like the actual insider/elites within the GOP are finally having to consider Romney's actual chances against Obama. A bright light, realistic hard look at their chosen candidate, with all his flaws balanced against his advantages...and they're not liking what they see.

A couple months ago, they could reasonably tell themselves that the conventions haven't happened yet, and there's time for things to change. Here we are in late September, it's coming down to crunch time, and Romney's numbers are moving the wrong way.

true...but they also seem confused as to the cause of those numbers moving the wrong way. And that is something that I find truly incomprehensible. How can the GOP be that clueless? someone at some point HAD to look around and realize that their attitude of 'f*ck you I got mine' wasn't going to play well with the rest of the country. I mean they HAD to know that, right?


I guess it depends on what your definition of "play well" is. Their attitude still garners close to 50% of the vote.
 
2012-09-24 11:17:33 AM

Weaver95: GAT_00: They're freaking out because they just assumed they had this thing sewn up by simply being not-Obama. It never occurred to them, they never imagined, that wouldn't work, never mind that we proved just back in 2004 that being not-someone else doesn't work.

to be fair, that strategy DID work very well among GOP voters. what I find amazing to consider is the fact that apparently the Republicans all decided that their echo chamber was an accurate reflection of reality for the rest of the country. seriously guys? did you really think everyone was just like you?


Pretty much the answer is yes they do. That is their dilemma. Living in the echo chamber they are used to "being right" all the time. It worked well among the GOP voters because they all agreed on the premise of the strawmen being argued, because that is their "created" reality. They still think everyone is like them, it is just the liberal media's fault that they haven't been able to get their "message" out to the voter. It still doesn't dawn on them that it is the "message" itself that is the problem.
 
2012-09-24 11:17:42 AM

Weaver95: it sounds like the actual insider/elites within the GOP are finally having to consider Romney's actual chances against Obama. A bright light, realistic hard look at their chosen candidate, with all his flaws balanced against his advantages...and they're not liking what they see.


They had a long primary process to get a good look at him, they knew what they were getting. Plain and simply they chose wrong (again). Resubmit in 4-years
 
2012-09-24 11:17:44 AM
Bay Buchanan?

Buchanan managed her brother Pat Buchanan's three unsuccessful campaigns for President of the United States.


Sounds like a winner to me.
 
2012-09-24 11:18:24 AM
The GOP imagined here never liked Romney.
 
2012-09-24 11:18:52 AM
From what I'm seeing, a lot of the conservative commentators who have actual reputations as thoughtful people to protect (David Brooks, et al) are now choosing to save their own skin, as well they should. The debates will be the decisive factor.
 
2012-09-24 11:20:02 AM
"The people who vote decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."
 
2012-09-24 11:20:23 AM
i137.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 11:20:36 AM

gilgigamesh: Weaver95: it sounds like the actual insider/elites within the GOP are finally having to consider Romney's actual chances against Obama. A bright light, realistic hard look at their chosen candidate, with all his flaws balanced against his advantages...and they're not liking what they see.

I think they are having a hard look at their candidate and are starting to realize what they are in for if he wins.

There's something fundamentally unsettling about dealing with a person who doesn't seem to have any core, who seems to be essentially a human mirror. There is something downright terrifying about giving a person like that any sort of power.


The party brass would love that. He'd be completely beholden to the insiders they put in front of him.
 
2012-09-24 11:20:41 AM

zedster: here's the real questions
After the election is over does the GOP:
A) realize they lost based on a platform that gained them no minority votes and came off as out of touch
B) We ran Romney who was not a True Conservativetm this time we will run a True True Conservative


The answer is C) Whatever Rush is bleating about the day after Obama wins.
 
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