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2012-09-24 09:39:58 AM  
I'd like to hope that if Obama is re-elected, the Republicans will go so far around the bend that they will make themselves toxic and unelectable for years to come.
 
2012-09-24 09:55:48 AM  
Huntsman 2016!
 
2012-09-24 09:56:58 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I'd like to hope that if Obama is re-elected, the Republicans will go so far around the bend that they will make themselves toxic and unelectable for years to come.


Best part? Forever.
 
2012-09-24 09:57:02 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I'd like to hope that if Obama is re-elected, the Republicans will go so far around the bend that they will make themselves toxic and unelectable for years to come.


I worry that they'll continue to drag a big part of the population with them. This is memetic warfare, and they've been pulling the discourse steadily further and further right and willing to believe stupid insane shiat for the last few decades.
 
2012-09-24 09:58:02 AM  

hinten: Huntsman 2016!



No. Even if his stated policy positions are solid, the fact that he chooses to associate himself with the current republican party calls his judgement into question.
 
2012-09-24 09:58:07 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I'd like to hope that if Obama is re-elected, the Republicans will go so far around the bend that they will make themselves toxic and unelectable for years to come.


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2012-09-24 09:58:14 AM  
I don't get it? Have we devolved that much?

How can even a Republican and think that this is rational?
 
2012-09-24 10:00:03 AM  
I hope the republicans go full militia rebellion, so we can finally delete them and their caveman bullshiat.
OBAMA 2012
 
2012-09-24 10:01:42 AM  

d23: I don't get it? Have we devolved that much?

How can even a Republican and think that this is rational?


How can even a Democrat and think that this is rational?
 
2012-09-24 10:02:13 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I'd like to hope that if Obama is re-elected, the Republicans will go so far around the bend that they will make themselves toxic and unelectable for years to come.


They have to. Because of demographic shifts that will soon require them to go after more than just bible thumpers and old white men, they realize they have one, maybe 2 election cycles left to try to work in their derpiest stuff. That's why they're going all in now.
 
2012-09-24 10:03:15 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I'd like to hope that if Obama is re-elected, the Republicans will go so far around the bend that they will make themselves toxic and unelectable for years to come.


Same here.

I'd rather they find some sanity and start coming to the table in good faith, but fat chance of that. So yeah, they can go toxify themselves.
 
2012-09-24 10:03:40 AM  
The last 4 years, the GOP had something that Obama wanted to take away to help balance the budget, the Bush Tax cuts. The GOP was willing to work with and compromise with Obama to extend them. The tax cuts are automatically expiring at the end of the year. This time around Obama has something the GOP wants... the Bush style tax cuts. If the GOP wants the tax cuts back then they'll have to compromise again with Obama. There is a possibility that Obama may have more clout in his second term since the GOP will have to work with him if they want to get the thing they want.
 
2012-09-24 10:03:43 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: FirstNationalBastard: I'd like to hope that if Obama is re-elected, the Republicans will go so far around the bend that they will make themselves toxic and unelectable for years to come.

Best part? Foreverbest part???........forever................


FTFY
 
2012-09-24 10:05:09 AM  
Consistent in their approach? Let me guess, it's being obstructionist dicks, right? That's it, isn't it.

Fargin' Iceholes...
 
2012-09-24 10:05:26 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I'd like to hope that if Obama is re-elected, the Republicans will go so far around the bend that they will make themselves toxic and unelectable for years to come.


I worry, I worry So much this is true. I'm hoping they see they need to reel it in, moderate a little, and learn compromise. They've gone so far off the deep end, I don't see "moderation" as the logical next step.
 
2012-09-24 10:06:03 AM  

Muta: The last 4 years, the GOP had something that Obama wanted to take away to help balance the budget, the Bush Tax cuts. The GOP was willing to work with and compromise with Obama to extend them. The tax cuts are automatically expiring at the end of the year. This time around Obama has something the GOP wants... the Bush style tax cuts. If the GOP wants the tax cuts back then they'll have to compromise again with Obama. There is a possibility that Obama may have more clout in his second term since the GOP will have to work with him if they want to get the thing they want.


Oh, and don't forget about the whole sequester nightmare that triggers the same time. Republicans want defense spending so bad they're already throwing a tantrum.
 
2012-09-24 10:06:19 AM  

Cletus C.: d23: I don't get it? Have we devolved that much?

How can even a Republican and think that this is rational?

How can even a Democrat and think that this is rational?



So if people on both sides think it's irrational, why do we keep electing sociopaths into office?
 
2012-09-24 10:07:05 AM  
I love how despite all the evidence to the contrary, the ramming of ACA through Congress, the Executive Orders despite legislation, despite Woodward's book...

Liberals keep claiming Obama is the most compromising compromiser ever and that it's solely the GOP refusing to work with Obama. Ignore Woodward stating flatly Obama even alienated liberals such as Pelosi during the sequestration agreement. Ignore Snowe stating that Obama hadn't talked to the majority of Congress for over a year as one of the reasons she thinks the government is way out of control.

You liberals need to actually start paying attention. A lot of the gridlock is caused by Obama not communicating with Congress. SO many accounts state this. Step out of your echo chambers, give the WOodward book a read as an example.
 
2012-09-24 10:08:13 AM  

fracto: hinten: Huntsman 2016!


No. Even if his stated policy positions are solid, the fact that he chooses to associate himself with the current republican party calls his judgement into question.


He doesn't, actually. His recent interview on the Colbert Report, he stated that he basically will not run as a Republican until the crazies get kicked the fark out
 
2012-09-24 10:09:40 AM  
I think the viewpoint is correct that the only way the gridlock will end is decisive defeat.

Obama goes down in flames and takes dem majorities in congress with him, and we shift even further to the right, or Romney is decisively defeated, drags the right wing of congress down with him, and we shift back toward the center.

Unfortunately the most likely scenario is Obama will win narrowly, and there will not be enough change in congress to destroy the GOP's ability to filibuster everything. And here we are again.
 
2012-09-24 10:10:06 AM  

TimonC346: FirstNationalBastard: I'd like to hope that if Obama is re-elected, the Republicans will go so far around the bend that they will make themselves toxic and unelectable for years to come.

I worry, I worry So much this is true. I'm hoping they see they need to reel it in, moderate a little, and learn compromise. They've gone so far off the deep end, I don't see "moderation" as the logical next step.



Most of the current batch of Republicans can't compromise. Even the few who would like to would have their base declare a Teahad on them when primary time rolled around.
 
2012-09-24 10:11:28 AM  

MyRandomName: I love how despite all the evidence to the contrary, the ramming of ACA through Congress, the Executive Orders despite legislation, despite Woodward's book...

Liberals keep claiming Obama is the most compromising compromiser ever and that it's solely the GOP refusing to work with Obama. Ignore Woodward stating flatly Obama even alienated liberals such as Pelosi during the sequestration agreement. Ignore Snowe stating that Obama hadn't talked to the majority of Congress for over a year as one of the reasons she thinks the government is way out of control.

You liberals need to actually start paying attention. A lot of the gridlock is caused by Obama not communicating with Congress. SO many accounts state this. Step out of your echo chambers, give the WOodward book a read as an example.


Bob Woodward hasn't had any credibility since he wrote that bullshiat John Belushi biography.
But good on you for paying lipservice to a reporter whose been considered nothing but a self-promoting jackass for the last 25 years.
 
2012-09-24 10:12:01 AM  

Cletus C.: d23: I don't get it? Have we devolved that much?

How can even a Republican and think that this is rational?

How can even a Democrat and think that this is rational?


How can even a Libertarian and think that this is grammatically correct?
 
2012-09-24 10:12:40 AM  

stoli n coke: They have to. Because of demographic shifts that will soon require them to go after more than just bible thumpers and old white men, they realize they have one, maybe 2 election cycles left to try to work in their derpiest stuff.


Because of gerrymandering after the last census, the republicans will hold most of the state governments and the House through 2022.
 
2012-09-24 10:13:07 AM  
The beauty of it is Obama doesn't have to do anything. If he wins and does nothing, Obamacare gets fully implemented and we increase taxes. Huzzah!
 
2012-09-24 10:14:49 AM  

MyRandomName: I love how despite all the evidence to the contrary, the ramming of ACA through Congress, the Executive Orders despite legislation, despite Woodward's book...

Liberals keep claiming Obama is the most compromising compromiser ever and that it's solely the GOP refusing to work with Obama. Ignore Woodward stating flatly Obama even alienated liberals such as Pelosi during the sequestration agreement. Ignore Snowe stating that Obama hadn't talked to the majority of Congress for over a year as one of the reasons she thinks the government is way out of control.

You liberals need to actually start paying attention. A lot of the gridlock is caused by Obama not communicating with Congress. SO many accounts state this. Step out of your echo chambers, give the WOodward book a read as an example.


Yes, lord knows Obama needs to work with house republicans on their -- what was it? 30 or 40 anti-abortion bills that would surely end the economic crisis if only he would give them a chance.

The house has collectively lost their shiat. Their leader is an incompetent orange drunk. I don't blame Obama for not talking to them at this point any more than I blame myself for not talking to the guy at the bus station who smells of Nighttrain and is rambling that he needs $50 to get his car fixed for a job interview.
 
2012-09-24 10:16:16 AM  
I didn't realize that Skinnyhead had a brother.
 
2012-09-24 10:16:17 AM  

fracto: hinten: Huntsman 2016!


No. Even if his stated policy positions are solid, the fact that he chooses to associate himself with the current republican party calls his judgement into question.


Hasn't he gone on record basically saying that he'll no longer associate himself with Republicans until they get less retarded?
 
2012-09-24 10:16:40 AM  
That should have read $5. Whoever heard of Nighttrain costing $50? Har har.
 
2012-09-24 10:16:50 AM  

bsharitt: fracto: hinten: Huntsman 2016!


No. Even if his stated policy positions are solid, the fact that he chooses to associate himself with the current republican party calls his judgement into question.

Hasn't he gone on record basically saying that he'll no longer associate himself with Republicans until they get less retarded?



Someone up thread mentioned that. Good for him.
 
2012-09-24 10:17:02 AM  
The problem with American politics is the Tea Party and the bible pounding factions in the GOP. They have turned the party into an anti-intellectual circle jerk that is the majority of the time the anti-thesis of fiscal conservatism, small government, and personal freedom.
 
2012-09-24 10:17:12 AM  

MyRandomName: I love how despite all the evidence to the contrary, the ramming of ACA through Congress, the Executive Orders despite legislation, despite Woodward's book...


What a random collection of 'evidence'.
 
2012-09-24 10:17:46 AM  

gilgigamesh: I think the viewpoint is correct that the only way the gridlock will end is decisive defeat.

Obama goes down in flames and takes dem majorities in congress with him, and we shift even further to the right, or Romney is decisively defeated, drags the right wing of congress down with him, and we shift back toward the center.

Unfortunately the most likely scenario is Obama will win narrowly, and there will not be enough change in congress to destroy the GOP's ability to filibuster everything. And here we are again.


It will come down to group psychology. Obama will likely win solidly, and there will be 52-53 Democrats in the Senate. If they can reduce the Republican majority in the House down to less than 10, on every vote they will have the opportunity to try and pick a few off to make a slim voting majority (probably with earmarks etc.). For every Republican in the House that barely squeaks through in 2012, many votes will come down to a choice between being a team player versus the desire to win or be bought.

If it is all down to a slim House Republican majority and a Senate minority capable of filibuster, Reid might start looking at that Senate rulebook very hard.
 
2012-09-24 10:18:24 AM  
Oh! Please! What are they going to do! Bunch of wimps! This is what's going to happen: A bunch of threats ensue, some militias freak out. They get caught, and go to jail, get their salad tossed a few times, meanwhile; the people bankrolling the whole thing realizes they can't sucker enough poor people to do the work. Two new parties are created. The poor republicans, and the rich ones (guess who gets all the power?).
 
2012-09-24 10:19:19 AM  
There's an old saying: "When the wrong man uses the right means, the right means work in the wrong way."

I can't in good conscience vote for any republican so long as the party in general is as crazed as they've been. Even the few areas where I might agree with a conservative solution, I can't trust that organization to actually pull things off right.

Not gonna stick my vote in crazy.
 
2012-09-24 10:20:09 AM  

lj1330: Two new parties are created. The poor republicans, and the rich ones


You mean Democrats?
 
2012-09-24 10:21:10 AM  

rohar: , and don't forget about the whole sequester nightmare that triggers the same time. Republicans want defense spending so bad they're already throwing a tantrum


True. I don't think the Whitehouse wants the sequester nor do either party in in either house of congress. Everyone knows the solution is for both parties to work together in good faith. The republicans are just not willing to budge from their no tax increase pledge to Norquist. The result is a Northbound Sneech and a Southbound Sneech standing belly to belly as the world evolves around them.
 
2012-09-24 10:24:09 AM  

Cletus C.: d23: I don't get it? Have we devolved that much?

How can even a Republican and think that this is rational?

How can even a Democrat and think that this is rational?


You usually have something to say beyond just criticizing grammar. It's usually pretty insipid and uninspiring, but there's almost always more than a six year old repeating a line with only a single word changed. I guess this article, which you didn't read, has you at a loss.
 
2012-09-24 10:28:08 AM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 10:29:56 AM  
E.J. Dionne is one of the better beltway columnists. There, happy?
 
2012-09-24 10:30:39 AM  

Cletus C.: d23: I don't get it? Have we devolved that much?

How can even a Republican and think that this is rational?

How can even a Democrat and think that this is rational?


Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 
2012-09-24 10:32:22 AM  

bwilson27: lj1330: Two new parties are created. The poor republicans, and the rich ones

You mean Democrats?


We had a discussion on Fark about this yesterday when we discussed this article.
 
2012-09-24 10:35:37 AM  
If our only choices are to hand Republicans all of the power, or none of it, I know what my response will be. There is really only one good way to handle bullying behavior, and it doesn't involve giving in to their demands.

I can't believe they're so stupid as to think this is winning strategy.
 
2012-09-24 10:35:54 AM  
Not trying to Godwin things here - the recent election cycles remind me of several things historians discuss regarding the Weimar Republic, particularly between 1929 and 1933. Many of the politicians who were being elected philosophically opposed the very government to which they were elected and constantly argued for it's replacement with a different entity (the old Imperial Reich, dictatorship, a Soviet, theocracy, etc). These politicians were obstructionist in ways we have not yet seen (the Communists and the Nazis deputies used to yell and chant anti-government slogans during sessions of the Reichstag, preventing any business being done) and were more violent than our political parties, but the fact that a significant portion of the elected officials were fundamentally opposed to the very institution they were sworn to serve and uphold made the foundations of the Weinar Republic quite shaky.

Remembering history like that makes me view any politician or party that philosophically opposes our government (even rhetorically) with a great deal of skepticism if not vigilance.
 
2012-09-24 10:37:55 AM  

somedude210: fracto: hinten: Huntsman 2016!


No. Even if his stated policy positions are solid, the fact that he chooses to associate himself with the current republican party calls his judgement into question.

He doesn't, actually. His recent interview on the Colbert Report, he stated that he basically will not run as a Republican until the crazies get kicked the fark out


If he ran as an independent or something other than republican and did not caucus with them either, then he might be OK.

I mean, I would never vote for him because he is too right for me (Kucinich is too right for me), but he would at least be showing that he has integrity and that counts for something.
 
2012-09-24 10:40:00 AM  

MyRandomName: I love how despite all the evidence to the contrary, the ramming of ACA through Congress, the Executive Orders despite legislation, despite Woodward's book...

Liberals keep claiming Obama is the most compromising compromiser ever and that it's solely the GOP refusing to work with Obama. Ignore Woodward stating flatly Obama even alienated liberals such as Pelosi during the sequestration agreement. Ignore Snowe stating that Obama hadn't talked to the majority of Congress for over a year as one of the reasons she thinks the government is way out of control.

You liberals need to actually start paying attention. A lot of the gridlock is caused by Obama not communicating with Congress. SO many accounts state this. Step out of your echo chambers, give the WOodward book a read as an example.


Obama has vetoed a total of two bills, none since the 2010 election.

There's no point in talking to Congress. They're not looking to negotiate, or even pass anything beyond national parks and plaques.
 
2012-09-24 10:50:59 AM  

fracto: bsharitt: fracto: hinten: Huntsman 2016!


No. Even if his stated policy positions are solid, the fact that he chooses to associate himself with the current republican party calls his judgement into question.

Hasn't he gone on record basically saying that he'll no longer associate himself with Republicans until they get less retarded?


Someone up thread mentioned that. Good for him.


Yes and no. In his interview a few days ago with Andrea Mitchell he confirmed he is voting for Romney.

Sure, he'll no longer "associate" with them in the sense of running for them, because he knows he can't get nominated in their current atmosphere.

But he'll still associate.
 
2012-09-24 10:51:07 AM  
Whoever wins, that political party will be history in 4 years because the various bubbles that have been preventing the complete collapse of the US economy will pop no matter who is in charge. It will be the fault of the Democrats since they have already set the time bomb, but if they are out of office during the next four years, they will be brought back like saviors and we will have totalitarian marxist rule thereafter.

The Republicans are screwed no matter what because the only solution for their continued existence is something they aren't willing to do: purge the parasites from the country. It would be too ugly to choose survival so they will choose defeat.
 
2012-09-24 10:54:47 AM  
the post-election "why Romney lost" lollapalooza

I wonder if he used "lollapalooza" like "lulz-apalooza"?
 
2012-09-24 10:55:22 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: Whoever wins, that political party will be history in 4 years because the various bubbles that have been preventing the complete collapse of the US economy will pop no matter who is in charge. It will be the fault of the Democrats since they have already set the time bomb, but if they are out of office during the next four years, they will be brought back like saviors and we will have totalitarian marxist rule thereafter.


isn't there a hobbit that saves the day, tho?
 
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