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2012-09-24 05:04:51 AM  
Sounds like they're trying to fix their problems. Is that suddenly wrong? Oh, that's right, it's Apple, so brainwashed iHater douchebags like you MUST complain about everything they do or don't do.
 
2012-09-24 05:07:29 AM  
This map mess would never have happened if Steve Jobs were still alive.
 
2012-09-24 05:18:49 AM  

bingethinker: Sounds like they're trying to fix their problems. Is that suddenly wrong? Oh, that's right, it's Apple, so brainwashed iHater douchebags like you MUST complain about everything they do or don't do.


Or they couldn't have put out an inferior product. Google has been all over mapping software for a decade now, and their Street View isn't going to be replicated by Apple Cams any time soon. This is just another example of Apple failing because it's their way or the highway (hopefully you have Google Maps to find it)
 
2012-09-24 05:32:42 AM  

Confabulat: bingethinker: Sounds like they're trying to fix their problems. Is that suddenly wrong? Oh, that's right, it's Apple, so brainwashed iHater douchebags like you MUST complain about everything they do or don't do.

Or they couldn't have put out an inferior product. Google has been all over mapping software for a decade now, and their Street View isn't going to be replicated by Apple Cams any time soon. This is just another example of Apple failing because it's their way or the highway (hopefully you have Google Maps to find it)


Right. It's all entirely their fault. What flavor was the Kool-Aid today?
 
2012-09-24 05:37:54 AM  
They were the ones that replaced a perfectly great app with an inferior one. I'm the one who drank Kool-Aid? What time did you get up to stand in line for YOUR iPhone 5?
 
2012-09-24 05:40:07 AM  
I sense much discomfort when an Apple fanboy hears some sort of criticism of his wonderous new product. It fails to compute. PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO ENVY ME AND MY NEW APPLE PRODUCT! WHY DO THEY MOCK? WHY DO THEY MOCK? THEY MUST DRINK ANTI-APPLE KOOL-AID! Ahh I feel better now.
 
2012-09-24 06:04:08 AM  

bingethinker: Confabulat: bingethinker: Sounds like they're trying to fix their problems. Is that suddenly wrong? Oh, that's right, it's Apple, so brainwashed iHater douchebags like you MUST complain about everything they do or don't do.

Or they couldn't have put out an inferior product. Google has been all over mapping software for a decade now, and their Street View isn't going to be replicated by Apple Cams any time soon. This is just another example of Apple failing because it's their way or the highway (hopefully you have Google Maps to find it)

Right. It's all entirely their fault. What flavor was the Kool-Aid today?


If not Apple's, then whose fault is it? Don't they test this shiat in advance of release?
 
2012-09-24 08:01:34 AM  
The change is not just for iPhone5, it effects anyone who upgrades a 3GS/4S/4GS. A friend of mine did the update to IOS6 on his 4S and now has the Apple Maps Compass instead of the Google version. It pretty much sucks.I'm holding off updating a while until I see what happens.

Google has come up with a work around in the mean time. Use Safari to go to Maps.Google.com and they have a banner to walk you through installing a short-cut icon on your phone to open GMaps.
 
2012-09-24 08:05:48 AM  

bingethinker: Confabulat: bingethinker: Sounds like they're trying to fix their problems. Is that suddenly wrong? Oh, that's right, it's Apple, so brainwashed iHater douchebags like you MUST complain about everything they do or don't do.

Or they couldn't have put out an inferior product. Google has been all over mapping software for a decade now, and their Street View isn't going to be replicated by Apple Cams any time soon. This is just another example of Apple failing because it's their way or the highway (hopefully you have Google Maps to find it)

Right. It's all entirely their fault. What flavor was the Kool-Aid today?


Yes, they put out the product. If they didn't know it was inferior, or knew and did it anyway because they care more about fighting Google than putting out good product, it is their fault.
 
2012-09-24 08:16:54 AM  
Oh my god. People are going to be driving off cliffs because of Apple's iHubris.

/// The horror, the horror.
 
2012-09-24 08:59:14 AM  

notmtwain: Oh my god. People are going to be driving off cliffs because of Apple's iHubris.


i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-24 09:02:31 AM  

bingethinker: Confabulat: bingethinker: Sounds like they're trying to fix their problems. Is that suddenly wrong? Oh, that's right, it's Apple, so brainwashed iHater douchebags like you MUST complain about everything they do or don't do.

Or they couldn't have put out an inferior product. Google has been all over mapping software for a decade now, and their Street View isn't going to be replicated by Apple Cams any time soon. This is just another example of Apple failing because it's their way or the highway (hopefully you have Google Maps to find it)

Right. It's all entirely their fault. What flavor was the Kool-Aid today?


Hahaha what? Who's fault is it if not apple's?

They announced this thing as some kind of google maps killer at their farking keynote. How's it working out?
 
2012-09-24 09:04:56 AM  

Confabulat: They were the ones that replaced a perfectly great app with an inferior one.


What's stopping you from using holding off a few weeks to upgrade until the Google Maps app is released? You're clearly quite upset and I feel for you, but there are very simple solutions to your problem.
 
2012-09-24 09:05:26 AM  

bingethinker: Confabulat: bingethinker: Sounds like they're trying to fix their problems. Is that suddenly wrong? Oh, that's right, it's Apple, so brainwashed iHater douchebags like you MUST complain about everything they do or don't do.

Or they couldn't have put out an inferior product. Google has been all over mapping software for a decade now, and their Street View isn't going to be replicated by Apple Cams any time soon. This is just another example of Apple failing because it's their way or the highway (hopefully you have Google Maps to find it)

Right. It's all entirely their fault. What flavor was the Kool-Aid today?


Umm... actually, yes, this is all Apple's fault. They were the ones who put out the crappy product. They're the ones who bear responsibility.
 
2012-09-24 09:05:53 AM  
What's this fiasco I keep hearing about? I open maps on my iPhone, type in pizza, all the local pizza places pop up. I ask for direction to my house, it maps me 3 options, just like Google maps did. What iMiracle was maps supposed to do?
 
2012-09-24 09:05:53 AM  

bingethinker: Sounds like they're trying to fix their problems. Is that suddenly wrong? Oh, that's right, it's Apple, so brainwashed iHater douchebags like you MUST complain about everything they do or don't do.


Oh, I'm brainwashed now?! Thanks, Apple!
 
2012-09-24 09:07:45 AM  

stuhayes2010: What's this fiasco I keep hearing about? I open maps on my iPhone, type in pizza, all the local pizza places pop up. I ask for direction to my house, it maps me 3 options, just like Google maps did. What iMiracle was maps supposed to do?


They're getting lots of directions wrong, have lots of inaccuracies in their maps, and lack a lot of the functionality which Google had.
 
2012-09-24 09:08:57 AM  

clancifer: Don't they test this shiat in advance of release?


From what I've read, it's basically a data problem no different than Bing's. User-collected data greatly increases accuracy. Bing won't get better until people start increasingly use it, and from what I've read, the same case is true for the new Apple Maps app.
 
2012-09-24 09:14:10 AM  

digistil: Confabulat: They were the ones that replaced a perfectly great app with an inferior one.

What's stopping you from using holding off a few weeks to upgrade until the Google Maps app is released? You're clearly quite upset and I feel for you, but there are very simple solutions to your problem.


I have an Android. I don't need a few weeks.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:06 AM  

digistil: clancifer: Don't they test this shiat in advance of release?

From what I've read, it's basically a data problem no different than Bing's. User-collected data greatly increases accuracy. Bing won't get better until people start increasingly use it, and from what I've read, the same case is true for the new Apple Maps app.


It will get better over time; I expected Apple would get flogged for this and the failure of Passbook. I expect a Google Maps app to be released like their YouTube one shortly. It will probably be better than the original iOS Google Maps app, which was lacking compared to the Android version.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:18 AM  
Apple: Not listed on the DOW.
 
2012-09-24 09:15:52 AM  

Confabulat: digistil: Confabulat: They were the ones that replaced a perfectly great app with an inferior one.

What's stopping you from using holding off a few weeks to upgrade until the Google Maps app is released? You're clearly quite upset and I feel for you, but there are very simple solutions to your problem.

I have an Android. I don't need a few weeks.


Then why are you complaining so much?
 
2012-09-24 09:24:36 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com

See where it says Aldwych Station? That's not the right location. It should be down by the X. Well actually it shouldn't be, Aldwych Station was closed, 18 years ago.
 
2012-09-24 09:25:56 AM  

digistil: User-collected data greatly increases accuracy


Except the errors in the maps have nothing to do with user collected data. Street names and the like aren't matters of collecting user data. Either you have it right, or you don't.
 
2012-09-24 09:30:28 AM  
I admit it. I bought the 5. And I'm less than happy with the new map app. I've tested it out with directions to places that I'm familiar with, and it works 90% of the time, but if I need it for a long road trip I feel like I should stop somewhere and buy a Rand McNally to take with me just in case.

I'm also confused by the fact that a road that has existed in this area for several years is not depicted on the turn-by-turn directions (and thus not calculated into the route), but is clearly depicted on the satellite view.
 
2012-09-24 09:31:11 AM  

WhyteRaven74: digistil: User-collected data greatly increases accuracy

Except the errors in the maps have nothing to do with user collected data. Street names and the like aren't matters of collecting user data. Either you have it right, or you don't.


WOW. Looking at your previous example, you're right that that sort of error is a complete F up on Apple's part. There's no excuse for that sort of problem.
 
2012-09-24 09:35:09 AM  
I've only used it once, and it worked great. The turn-by-turn is way better than what google had. I left it in my lap and didn't have to look down.

Is there a way to report inaccurate data? If not, then user feedback isn't really going to help get the data right.
 
2012-09-24 09:40:00 AM  

bingethinker: Right. It's all entirely their fault. What flavor was the Kool-Aid today?


You should rage harder against reality. That'll probably make Apple's shiatty map software work. Maybe toss in some desperate pleading and impotent threats.

I'd invite you to come kick my ass for mocking your absurdity, but even if I were right next door and gave you the address your phone would probably leave you stranded in Timbuktu.

/ troll, insanely stupid or just the typical tech fanboy?
// only bingethinker knows for sure...
 
2012-09-24 09:43:01 AM  

digistil: Confabulat: They were the ones that replaced a perfectly great app with an inferior one.


Google wouldn't allow Apple or anyone else to use their map data to provide free turn by turn directions.

It looks like Apple ran into trouble importing TomTom's data and integrating it with all the other data they licensed.

Hiring the people from Google who are experienced with the kinds of problems that happen when you import various data sets and combine them should help. TomTom has offered to help as well.

However, Apple haters need something to scream about. The iPhone 5 is pretty much twice as fast as the exisiting Android Phone lineup while having better battery life as well. PC Magazine just called it the "fastest smartphone we've ever tested."

Android fanboys are practically assploding from butthurt. 

If you want to use Google's maps, by all means, continue to do so. They are available on the web, you know.
 
2012-09-24 09:49:19 AM  
Too bad DeLorme doesn't have an app. Street Atlas on a laptop with the GPS receiver plugged in is still my favorite. I found my way to a campground in Arkansas where the road went through a small river. It told me where to find dry ice in Birmingham. It even told me which way the one way drive thru loading dock ran for a company in New Orleans.
 
2012-09-24 09:49:39 AM  

BullBearMS: Android fanboys are practically assploding from butthurt.


Actually, I'd argue iPhone 5 users' butts are probably quite a bit more sore than anyone else's right now. What with that whole having to drive around for an extra three hours because your phone sent you to the middle of a wheat field in Kansas instead of the Panera Bread around the corner.

/ rage harder, fanboys
// deliciously hilarious
 
2012-09-24 09:50:07 AM  

digistil: you're right that that sort of error is a complete F up on Apple's part


And there's lots of errors like that, and plenty of smaller ones. For anyone interested, there's tons of various screw ups, inexplicable lacks of detail and various wtf to be found here

BullBearMS: Android fanboys are practically assploding from butthurt.


And in a month or two when someone introduces a faster Android phone, I'm sure you'll be right up to admit there's something faster. Also speed on cell phone processors isn't that huge a deal, data connection speed however is. And it took Apple how long to come out with something that can do 4G?
 
2012-09-24 09:50:13 AM  

BullBearMS: However, Apple haters need something to scream about.


Most of the screaming is coming from people that own iphones.

The iPhone 5 is pretty much twice as fast as the exisiting Android Phone lineup while having better battery life as well. PC Magazine just called it the "fastest smartphone we've ever tested."

Now they can get shiatty map data even faster. I guess that's cool.
 
2012-09-24 09:51:27 AM  

BullBearMS: Google wouldn't allow Apple or anyone else to use their map data to provide free turn by turn directions.


Just a minor point, but Google couldn't allow Apple or anyone else use their map data to provide turn-by-turn directions. Licensing terms Google has with their partners strictly prohibits it.
 
2012-09-24 09:53:22 AM  

jpat: Is there a way to report inaccurate data?


dl.dropbox.com

Yup
 
2012-09-24 09:58:29 AM  

MightyPez: BullBearMS: Google wouldn't allow Apple or anyone else to use their map data to provide free turn by turn directions.

Just a minor point, but Google couldn't allow Apple or anyone else use their map data to provide turn-by-turn directions. Licensing terms Google has with their partners strictly prohibits it.


OK.

The point remains. Apple was forced to license TomTom's mapping data and develop their own in-house mapping solution if they wanted to provide free GPS based turn by turn directions as other phone vendors do.
 
2012-09-24 10:00:31 AM  

WhyteRaven74: I'm sure you'll be right up to admit there's something faster.


Yes. I will.

This is called accepting reality.
 
2012-09-24 10:00:49 AM  
I actually like the new software over the GMaps. The only issue I had was it placed an Applebees on the wrong side of the street, which is a minor inconvenience.

GMaps had done the same thing to me several times (listing places in the wrong location or places that don't exist) but when it comes to Apple vs. Google people tend to have selective memories.

The addition of spoken turn-by-turn directions that continue while allowing other apps to run more than makes up for any perceived loss in map quality.
 
2012-09-24 10:01:10 AM  

BullBearMS: Apple was forced to license TomTom's mapping data and develop their own in-house mapping solution if they wanted to provide free GPS based turn by turn directions as other phone vendors do.


Actually there's quite a few companies that have such mapping data. And if they had their own programmers around they could've cranked out whatever they need fairly readily. It's not like how to create something that gives turn by turn directions is something all hush hush.
 
2012-09-24 10:04:10 AM  

Guelph35: The only issue I had was it placed an Applebees on the wrong side of the street, which is a minor inconvenience.


That was a feature. It was directing you to a better restaurant.
 
2012-09-24 10:06:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Now they can get shiatty map data even faster.


They can also pull down Google's map data faster over the web (if they so choose) since the benchmarks show iPhone 5's web browser being nearly twice as fast as the stock browser on the Galaxy S III.

Or for that matter, nearly twice as fast even after downloading Chrome onto the Galaxy S III.
 
2012-09-24 10:07:57 AM  

Guelph35: GMaps had done the same thing to me several times (listing places in the wrong location or places that don't exist) but when it comes to Apple vs. Google people tend to have selective memories.


I think that the process of reconciling Google's street view data with their mapping data has been a huge boon for the accuracy of Google's maps over the last few years.
 
2012-09-24 10:08:19 AM  

Hiro Nakamura:
I'm also confused by the fact that a road that has existed in this area for several years is not depicted on the turn-by-turn directions (and thus not calculated into the route), but is clearly depicted on the satellite view.


My street is like this, it's there, unless I want to mark my house as "Home" then it's not a known street.

Not a huge deal as I know where my house is, just kind of funny that I had to mark the Pizza place 2 streets over as Home
 
2012-09-24 10:10:16 AM  

BullBearMS: HotWingConspiracy: Now they can get shiatty map data even faster.

They can also pull down Google's map data faster over the web (if they so choose) since the benchmarks show iPhone 5's web browser being nearly twice as fast as the stock browser on the Galaxy S III.

Or for that matter, nearly twice as fast even after downloading Chrome onto the Galaxy S III.


My word, what a time saver. What will you do with all those extra fractions of a second?
 
2012-09-24 10:13:22 AM  
Apple looks for things. Things to make it go.
 
2012-09-24 10:17:09 AM  

WhyteRaven74: It's not like how to create something that gives turn by turn directions is something all hush hush.


According to the people who work in the industry, importing multiple geographic data sets and then reconciling them is more difficult than you would think.

Hiring people from Google who are already have years of experience from the potential pitfalls is a smart move.
 
2012-09-24 10:19:43 AM  

BullBearMS: HotWingConspiracy: Now they can get shiatty map data even faster.

They can also pull down Google's map data faster over the web (if they so choose) since the benchmarks show iPhone 5's web browser being nearly twice as fast as the stock browser on the Galaxy S III.

Or for that matter, nearly twice as fast even after downloading Chrome onto the Galaxy S III.


Umm... PCMag used 3 benchmarks, Apple only beta them out on the Browsermark while losing to GUImark3 and Sunspider unless there note of higher numbers being better is wrong.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp

Looks like selective reporting by you.

Likewise it says the processor competes with the S4 architecture, not doubles, with better memory management.

"The iPhone 5 takes things to the next level with a processor that can compete with the S4 "

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp
 
2012-09-24 10:20:26 AM  
For the most part I like the update to iOS 6 on my iphone 4. Many under the hood changes that has made the UI snappier and quicker to respond. A few small features added here and there aren't a big deal and not much to get excited for me.

When it comes to the maps app, I haven't been affected by it directly for now since I haven't gone on any road trips to a new city. I checked and compared a few things and am slightly irritated that I have less accurate information now than before.

I searched for walmarts & targets in my town and it shows 1 of each plus it shows the furthest one away from me. There are actually at least 10 of each store in the area with 2 a block away from where I live. That is just an example.

Other issue was the usage of pins. Many times on google maps app I would drop a pin and just get directions to that spot. Now the pin many times doesn't even recognize the area where the pin was dropped and wont highlight the 'directions to' option.

These aren't major issues but little quirks that I can get around, but when I'm in a new town or city I'm not going to rely on the apple map apps for the present.

And if anyone is interested, this is an excellent writeup on the issues that plaque the map apps and reasons why it's not going to be an easy overnight fix.

Link
 
2012-09-24 10:24:28 AM  

Hiro Nakamura: I admit it. I bought the 5. And I'm less than happy with the new map app. I've tested it out with directions to places that I'm familiar with, and it works 90% of the time, but if I need it for a long road trip I feel like I should stop somewhere and buy a Rand McNally to take with me just in case.

I'm also confused by the fact that a road that has existed in this area for several years is not depicted on the turn-by-turn directions (and thus not calculated into the route), but is clearly depicted on the satellite view.


You should always have a road atlas anyway. It's a basic piece of kit and can be quite useful for when your phone decides to stop working.

On this - Google wouldn't allow their data to be used for turn-by-turn navigation for Apple so they either had to make their own app or continue to not have that feature, which was getting a little embarrassing by this point. Most of the errors I'm seeing online seem to be caused by bad data sets, with the second most common being some weird interaction between the satellite photos and the 3D features, though then again, maybe some of those streets really are designed to be like something out of an Escher fueled nightmarescape.

I have the new app and while I haven't made extensive use of it yet, for the few things I have tested it out on, it has been good enough for my needs. It made a couple of routing suggestions that locals would know would be less efficient but it was quick enough about re-routing when I followed my original route and, interestingly, the next time I told it to find a route to the same destination it took the modified route I did the previous time.
 
2012-09-24 10:26:00 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: My word, what a time saver. What will you do with all those extra fractions of a second?


You could spend it trying to soothe your false butthurt over OMG MAPS!!!!1!

Apple didn't come out of the gate with data that is more accurate than Google has developed after nearly a decade's worth of submitted corrections and crowdsourced data from it's users? OMG!

Now I'll be forced to press an entirely different button to access Google's mapping data! OMG!

If only Apple hadn't wanted to provide it's users with free turn by turn directions!

Bastards!

dl.dropbox.com
 
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