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(Daily Mail)   If you guessed eight hours before the first hacker would jailbreak the iPhone 5, stand up and be recognized   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 56
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2012-09-24 09:15:39 AM
That's good news except Apple will have 6.0.1 out soon to fix their map debacle I'm sure.
 
2012-09-24 09:28:26 AM
Good.
 
2012-09-24 10:18:58 AM
Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?
 
2012-09-24 10:22:50 AM
I view this more as evidence that the iPhone 5 and OS6 aren't significantly different than their predecessors.

Kudos to him for doing it so fast though.
 
2012-09-24 10:23:40 AM

Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?


That would be a great point if only a large percentage of iphone users jail broke their phone. Also if a large percentage of the jail broken phones were jail broke simply for the purpose of making the OS function differently instead of, you know, piracy.
 
2012-09-24 10:25:37 AM

Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?


at least a non-jailbroken iphone is still useful.

I *had* to root and install a third-party firmware in order to make my old Optimus V actually usable.

/android on carrier-crap-filled low-powered phones sucks
//hugs jelly-beaned galaxy nexus
 
2012-09-24 10:27:13 AM

ampoliros: I view this more as evidence that the iPhone 5 and OS6 aren't significantly different than their predecessors.

Kudos to him for doing it so fast though.


The big challenge will be in making it an untethered jailbreak. I did a tehered jailbreak for a while. It was manageable, but a few jailbreak apps require a full phone restart to function so I would need to pull the laptop out to get it to boot up properly again.

I'm debating going without a jailbreak lately. I would miss LockInfo, Infinifolders, and SBSettings though, so we'll see how quick the dev team can get an untethered up.
 
2012-09-24 10:27:57 AM

Egoy3k: That would be a great point if only a large percentage of iphone users jail broke their phone. Also if a large percentage of the jail broken phones were jail broke simply for the purpose of making the OS function differently instead of, you know, piracy.


I'll grant you that, but there are a significant number of people who DO jailbreak their iPhones.

That being said, I guess I'm not above my own criticism. I have a 5th generation iPod and I love the hardware, but run Rockbox on it just so I'm not constantly annoyed.
 
2012-09-24 10:30:02 AM

Tax Boy: I *had* to root and install a third-party firmware in order to make my old Optimus V actually usable.


But does it still transform into an 18 wheeler?

/And where the fark does the trailer go when it's in robot form?!?!?!?
 
2012-09-24 10:30:45 AM

Mercutio74: Egoy3k: That would be a great point if only a large percentage of iphone users jail broke their phone. Also if a large percentage of the jail broken phones were jail broke simply for the purpose of making the OS function differently instead of, you know, piracy.

I'll grant you that, but there are a significant number of people who DO jailbreak their iPhones.

That being said, I guess I'm not above my own criticism. I have a 5th generation iPod and I love the hardware, but run Rockbox on it just so I'm not constantly annoyed.


I have an iPhone 4S and it's a company phone (and no they didn't let me choose my phone) so no jailbreak for me.
 
2012-09-24 10:35:39 AM
Jailbreaking a phone is about as hard as rooting or any other manual alteration of some part of the system, so it's not really like you've got to kick down the doors of the OS to do anything useful. If you choose to, you can do a small task and open new possibilities, like on any device.

I've lived both jailbroken and not on a variety of devices over the years. It's nice, but not crucial, except in a few certain cases.
 
2012-09-24 10:50:17 AM
Yea, another iThread where the iFans start whining about people picking on their favorite product.
 
2012-09-24 11:04:04 AM

Latinwolf: Yea, another iThread where the iFans start whining about people picking on their favorite product.


75% of posters in all of these threads are so emotionally invested in Android (or at least anti-Apple), that your comment doesn't seem very grounded in reality.
 
2012-09-24 11:04:38 AM

Latinwolf: Yea, another iThread where the iFans start whining about people picking on their favorite product.


It's not just a product. It defines them as a person.

We cannot begin to understand how complete they feel after buying an Apple brand product.
 
2012-09-24 11:10:05 AM
J. Frank Parnell:Latinwolf: Yea, another iThread where the iFans start whining about people picking on their favorite product.

It's not just a product. It defines them as a person.

We cannot begin to understand how complete they feel after buying an Apple brand product.


There's also a lot of projection involved as shown by the guy in the post above yours.
 
2012-09-24 11:20:57 AM
Other jailbreakers then complained that he jailbroke his phone first because jailbreaking your first iphone is a religious experience.
 
kab
2012-09-24 11:29:06 AM
Modifying a product you paid for, to make it do what you want it to?

I'm_ok_with_this.jpg
 
2012-09-24 11:31:39 AM
Can a jailbroken iOS 6 use the old Maps app from Google?
 
2012-09-24 11:38:38 AM

Mercutio74: Tax Boy: I *had* to root and install a third-party firmware in order to make my old Optimus V actually usable.

But does it still transform into an 18 wheeler?

/And where the fark does the trailer go when it's in robot form?!?!?!?


I spent my childhood watching them ever Saturday morning and never once wondered what happened to the farking trailer. Now, after reading your post, I'll be obsessing over that question all morning.
 
2012-09-24 11:50:16 AM

Moopy Mac: Latinwolf: Yea, another iThread where the iFans start whining about people picking on their favorite product.

75% of posters in all of these threads are so emotionally invested in Android (or at least anti-Apple), that your comment doesn't seem very grounded in reality.


Where? I'm looking at all the posts previous to yours, and I'm seeing jailbreak discussion, talk of Optimus Prime, and one vaguely kinda anti-Apple statement if you're easily offended... I think you're manufacturing your own persecution. Like some kind of cultist.
 
2012-09-24 11:51:07 AM
Can you 'jailbreak' an iPad, and use those apps on it?

/just curious - has no iWare
 
2012-09-24 11:55:51 AM

nanim: Can you 'jailbreak' an iPad, and use those apps on it?

/just curious - has no iWare


Yes. It varies on the iOS version and the hardware under the hood. The iOS 6 jailbreak is in its infancy and not released for the masses yet, though.
 
2012-09-24 11:56:24 AM
I swear by the beard of Gates and Torvald's muscular buttocks I'm not an Apple fanboi*. But at this point, it's not like Apple is seriously trying to prevent jailbreaking, is it? (Not that they'd be likely to have much luck in any event.) I mean yeah, sure, you void your warranty and such, but that's basically the industry standard. This seems more like MEH on Apple's part than FAIL.

All the "eight hours" figure tells me is that no sufficiently wizard-like person got their hands on an iPhone 5 before they were generally released.

* posted from my orgasmically awesome new iPhone 5 SQUEEEEEE!
/kidding, actually posted from my ancient iMac SQUEEEEEEE!
 
2012-09-24 12:06:18 PM

semiotix: I swear by the beard of Gates and Torvald's muscular buttocks I'm not an Apple fanboi*. But at this point, it's not like Apple is seriously trying to prevent jailbreaking, is it? (Not that they'd be likely to have much luck in any event.) I mean yeah, sure, you void your warranty and such, but that's basically the industry standard. This seems more like MEH on Apple's part than FAIL.

All the "eight hours" figure tells me is that no sufficiently wizard-like person got their hands on an iPhone 5 before they were generally released.

* posted from my orgasmically awesome new iPhone 5 SQUEEEEEE!
/kidding, actually posted from my ancient iMac SQUEEEEEEE!


It appears that way. I'm no dev so I can't comment with any authority, but jailbreaking often takes advantage in a flaw with the hardware or software. JailBreakMe 2.0 used an exploit with PDFs in Safari to apply unsigned code. That one was quickly patched because it could have allowed other not-so-benevolent exploits to take hold and broke the jailbreak. Others like the A4 jailbreak used underlying hardware flaws to jailbreak. This is why the iphone 4 and the AppleTV2 can be jailbroken so quickly. 

The fact that it works on a new iPhone 5 running the new iOS 6 makes it seem they are less interested in blocking jailbreaking. But who knows?
 
2012-09-24 12:07:30 PM
well that took longer than i expected
 
2012-09-24 12:17:08 PM
I've never really understood this whole smart phone culture craze. Not just the Apple fandom, but I mean ALL of it. I look at it as a phone where you can connect to the internet and download pictures and stuff. Great. But it doesn't do internet or pictures or games or anything as fast and well as a laptop computer. And apparently you have to hit a button to reach the number pad in order to make an actual call, as opposed to the four year old flip phone I'm using for that purpose.

Can someone explain this to me, please?
 
2012-09-24 12:32:49 PM

Valarius: I've never really understood this whole smart phone culture craze. Not just the Apple fandom, but I mean ALL of it. I look at it as a phone where you can connect to the internet and download pictures and stuff. Great. But it doesn't do internet or pictures or games or anything as fast and well as a laptop computer. And apparently you have to hit a button to reach the number pad in order to make an actual call, as opposed to the four year old flip phone I'm using for that purpose.

Can someone explain this to me, please?


Sure. You're old.
 
2012-09-24 12:41:44 PM

Valarius: I've never really understood this whole smart phone culture craze. Not just the Apple fandom, but I mean ALL of it. I look at it as a phone where you can connect to the internet and download pictures and stuff. Great. But it doesn't do internet or pictures or games or anything as fast and well as a laptop computer. And apparently you have to hit a button to reach the number pad in order to make an actual call, as opposed to the four year old flip phone I'm using for that purpose.

Can someone explain this to me, please?


LOL... Whutt?

not_sure_if_serious.jpg
 
2012-09-24 01:00:59 PM

Egoy3k: Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?

That would be a great point if only a large percentage of iphone users jail broke their phone. Also if a large percentage of the jail broken phones were jail broke simply for the purpose of making the OS function differently instead of, you know, piracy.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't mess with an Apple fanboi....
 
2012-09-24 01:23:48 PM

Hebalo: Sure. You're old.


Wogus: LOL... Whutt?

not_sure_if_serious.jpg


Now, now, don't pick on Valarius... He has a point. I have a dumbphone, a Pantech Link tablet that runs JavaME. It allows me to perform pretty much every task that I need to in a mobile capacity. The SO has an Android, some kind of Samsung. And sure, it does some cool stuff. I particularly like the Google Sky app. But is that something I need on an everyday basis? Not really. It would be cool on occasion I guess. But she also pays for the data package and whatever else and I don't. I pay for unlimited internet and texting, and sometimes wonder if I even need that unlimited internet.

But I should point out that she is significantly younger than me. But that's a lot of what these smartphones are now, status symbols. Apple in particular marketed their crap like crack. It's the main reason I abhorred Jobs. It was the same type of thing when I was a kid and everybody had to have that new pair of Jordans. (Which the shoe thing is still kind of going on, too.)

I don't particularly consider myself old. I just get the most out of old technology. Hell, I still use my Fostex X18 four-track for recording. I use it as a mixer/mic amp for input to the PC for digital download, but it fits that purpose.
 
kab
2012-09-24 01:48:48 PM

Hebalo: Sure. You're old enough to know better.

 
2012-09-24 01:52:02 PM

Mentalpatient87: Moopy Mac: Latinwolf: Yea, another iThread where the iFans start whining about people picking on their favorite product.

75% of posters in all of these threads are so emotionally invested in Android (or at least anti-Apple), that your comment doesn't seem very grounded in reality.

Where? I'm looking at all the posts previous to yours, and I'm seeing jailbreak discussion, talk of Optimus Prime, and one vaguely kinda anti-Apple statement if you're easily offended... I think you're manufacturing your own persecution. Like some kind of cultist.


I know you are not new to Fark, so maybe you don't usually read Apple threads?

1 2 3 4 5.

/I own a SII Skyrocket and it's obvious to me
 
2012-09-24 01:59:11 PM

Moopy Mac: Mentalpatient87: Moopy Mac: Latinwolf: Yea, another iThread where the iFans start whining about people picking on their favorite product.

75% of posters in all of these threads are so emotionally invested in Android (or at least anti-Apple), that your comment doesn't seem very grounded in reality.

Where? I'm looking at all the posts previous to yours, and I'm seeing jailbreak discussion, talk of Optimus Prime, and one vaguely kinda anti-Apple statement if you're easily offended... I think you're manufacturing your own persecution. Like some kind of cultist.

I know you are not new to Fark, so maybe you don't usually read Apple threads?

1 2 3 4 5.

/I own a SII Skyrocket and it's obvious to me


So your reaction is to thread shiat?
 
2012-09-24 02:00:26 PM

diaphoresis: Egoy3k: Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?

That would be a great point if only a large percentage of iphone users jail broke their phone. Also if a large percentage of the jail broken phones were jail broke simply for the purpose of making the OS function differently instead of, you know, piracy.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't mess with an Apple fanboi....


The last thing I am is an apple 'fanboi' whatever the hell that even means. I don't own a single apple product. Hell I don't even own a cell phone. Why is everything some sort of culture war with you people?
 
2012-09-24 02:25:41 PM

Egoy3k: Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?

That would be a great point if only a large percentage of iphone users jail broke their phone. Also if a large percentage of the jail broken phones were jail broke simply for the purpose of making the OS function differently instead of, you know, piracy.


I'm trying to figure out where you make the leap from jailbroken iPhone to piracy.
 
2012-09-24 02:36:02 PM

Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?


Some people hack things just because they can. While some of us play sports or have hobbies, these folks hacking a device is their trophy and others in their community want to be more like them.
 
2012-09-24 02:40:46 PM

Egoy3k: diaphoresis: Egoy3k: Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?

That would be a great point if only a large percentage of iphone users jail broke their phone. Also if a large percentage of the jail broken phones were jail broke simply for the purpose of making the OS function differently instead of, you know, piracy.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't mess with an Apple fanboi....

The last thing I am is an apple 'fanboi' whatever the hell that even means. I don't own a single apple product. Hell I don't even own a cell phone. Why is everything some sort of culture war with you people?


You people? You make me giggle...
 
2012-09-24 03:44:44 PM

Moopy Mac: Mentalpatient87: Moopy Mac: Latinwolf: Yea, another iThread where the iFans start whining about people picking on their favorite product.

75% of posters in all of these threads are so emotionally invested in Android (or at least anti-Apple), that your comment doesn't seem very grounded in reality.

Where? I'm looking at all the posts previous to yours, and I'm seeing jailbreak discussion, talk of Optimus Prime, and one vaguely kinda anti-Apple statement if you're easily offended... I think you're manufacturing your own persecution. Like some kind of cultist.

I know you are not new to Fark, so maybe you don't usually read Apple threads?

1 2 3 4 5.

/I own a SII Skyrocket and it's obvious to me


So you have thin skin in regards to electronics? That must be rough.
 
2012-09-24 03:55:38 PM
If Apple would get their heads out of their asses, and decide that seeing a db reading on available wifi networks was not a "hacking tool" I wouldn't have to jailbreak.
"Wifi Analyzer"
 
2012-09-24 04:26:15 PM

Valarius: I've never really understood this whole smart phone culture craze. Not just the Apple fandom, but I mean ALL of it. I look at it as a phone where you can connect to the internet and download pictures and stuff. Great. But it doesn't do internet or pictures or games or anything as fast and well as a laptop computer. And apparently you have to hit a button to reach the number pad in order to make an actual call, as opposed to the four year old flip phone I'm using for that purpose.

Can someone explain this to me, please?


Having a small multipurpose device that fits in your pocket and can be used pretty much anywhere to handle routine communications tasks, provide entertainment, look up useful information, etc. is a pretty nice thing to be able to do. I watch movies or tv shows or get some work done during my commute, which is pretty handy.

The other thing is that the software is designed around things that people do when out and mobile. I've got a few networking type apps that let me quickly exchange contact info with people I meet or send them documents from my Dropbox etc., which is very nice to be able to do at conferences and which helps me actually do those things unsteady of saying "I'll send that to you" and then forgetting to do so. It's useful and convenient in ways a laptop simply isn't.
 
2012-09-24 04:27:39 PM

irving47: If Apple would get their heads out of their asses, and decide that seeing a db reading on available wifi networks was not a "hacking tool" I wouldn't have to jailbreak.
"Wifi Analyzer"


Or, you know, get a droid...
 
2012-09-24 05:19:50 PM

Moopy Mac: Latinwolf: Yea, another iThread where the iFans start whining about people picking on their favorite product.

75% of posters in all of these threads are so emotionally invested in Android (or at least anti-Apple), that your comment doesn't seem very grounded in reality.


For the love of God, don't point out that the iPhone 5 is much, much faster than the entire lineup of current Android devices.

The screaming butthurt and denial of published benchmarks goes on for what seems like forever.

Watch what happens when you start discussing simply verifiable facts like this one:

dl.dropbox.com

Hey look. The graphics on Apple's smartphone run twice as fast as they do on the Android flagship phones from Samsung and Google.
 
2012-09-24 05:31:20 PM

Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?


Will hacking the phone give users the ability to change the SIRI voice to sound like R. Lee Ermy or HAL 9000?
 
2012-09-24 05:44:19 PM

Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?


I find it pretty odd, and I haven't owned a non-iPhone phone since the launch of the first one. That's kinda the core choice-- you either want Apple's ready-to-go, no configuration necessary approach, or you want google's "configure it exactly the way you want it on any of a zillion different devices" approach. Both are perfectly valid, but if you wanted a wider array of configurations, why did you buy an iPhone?

If you've had to jailbreak to do something, you probably don't actually want an iPhone next time.
 
2012-09-24 06:26:34 PM

BullBearMS: don't point out that the iPhone 5 is much, much faster than the entire lineup of current Android devices.


BTW I was looking and can't find it, but there's no processing tasks, like how many numerical operations the phones can do. At the end of the day the only test of performance that really tells you anything is how a computer crunches numbers. And frame rates don't necessarily reflect the actual capabilities of the hardware.

The graphics on Apple's smartphone run twice as fast as they do on the Android flagship phones from Samsung and Google.

And the human eye can't tell the difference between those frame rates, indeed there's nothing in day to day phone usage that such frame rates are even a benefit for. Nor anything that could be made where they'd be a benefit.
 
2012-09-24 06:43:39 PM
Call me crazy, but i find the ability to make calls, send text messages, and use whatever apps i have knowledge of perfectly fine on an unrooted phone.
 
2012-09-24 10:41:08 PM
Ive had a Motorola 956 for years and don't want to change it anytime soon.
 
2012-09-24 11:13:02 PM
Get back to me when they can do it BEFORE the phone is released.

And those people that think the iPhone is faster than the SGSIII....must be nice to dream
 
2012-09-24 11:33:24 PM
Fail subby? A phone that gives in to it's owner's wishes so quickly is a win in my book whether apple intended that or not.
 
2012-09-25 12:57:45 AM

Mercutio74: Does anyone else find it kinda odd that so many people willingly buy an iPhone and then have to fight the OS to make it do what they want?


Yeah. I haven't jailbroken my iphone yet. Thought about it but this is my second amd I've never felt the need.
 
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