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2012-09-24 12:53:29 PM
If only there was type of organization that would allow the worker's to untie and collectively bargain for better wages and working conditions.
 
2012-09-24 12:59:51 PM

nmemkha: If only there was type of organization that would allow the worker's to untie and collectively bargain for better wages and working conditions.


Knot De-Tanglers Local 309
 
2012-09-24 01:29:17 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Fark_Guy_Rob: Need a drink of water? Wait till your break!: That's sort of the point of a break.

People who worship serfdom creep me out.


This. Thank you. I was having a hard time expressing it, but that's it precisely. Some people go their whole life totally ok with believing that their existence is mortgaged to someone else's ambitions.
 
2012-09-24 02:04:58 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: nmemkha: If only there was type of organization that would allow the worker's to untie and collectively bargain for better wages and working conditions.

Knot De-Tanglers Local 309


I meant united of course. Good catch and witty response. +1
 
2012-09-24 02:05:50 PM

gshepnyc: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Fark_Guy_Rob: Need a drink of water? Wait till your break!: That's sort of the point of a break.

People who worship serfdom creep me out.

This. Thank you. I was having a hard time expressing it, but that's it precisely. Some people go their whole life totally ok with believing that their existence is mortgaged to someone else's ambitions.


gshepnyc: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Fark_Guy_Rob: Need a drink of water? Wait till your break!: That's sort of the point of a break.

People who worship serfdom creep me out.

This. Thank you. I was having a hard time expressing it, but that's it precisely. Some people go their whole life totally ok with believing that their existence is mortgaged to someone else's ambitions.


t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-24 02:12:59 PM
Is this the thread where I come in and complain that I was looking for work, and inquired at Wal-Mart, but their wages were too low, so I declined, but then some armed thug came around and forced me to work there against my will?
 
2012-09-24 02:13:19 PM

DownDaRiver: Cont; Up until you actually start working there. Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there. They expect you to work as though they are paying allot more. Quality is priority next to customer service. Ha!!! Once you start its quantity, quantity, quantity. If you have to stop to help a customer you better be damn quick about it and also hope a manager doesn't see you missing from your area, because its 'accuse you of slacking, before you can explain that you were helping someone'. And even then its 'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up".
They don't give a shiat if the shelves look like shiat, they just want them stuffed with as much as they can be. Even if a product doesn't belong there, put it there anyway, if it will fit. Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up. No talking to fellow workers! Its keep your head down and keep moving. Need a drink of water? Wait till your break! And if its a holiday eve, day or after. YOU ARE WORKING!!!!
Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.


Sounds like that's the key defining phrase, right there.
 
2012-09-24 02:17:53 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: DownDaRiver: Cont; Up until you actually start working there. Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there. They expect you to work as though they are paying allot more. Quality is priority next to customer service. Ha!!! Once you start its quantity, quantity, quantity. If you have to stop to help a customer you better be damn quick about it and also hope a manager doesn't see you missing from your area, because its 'accuse you of slacking, before you can explain that you were helping someone'. And even then its 'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up".
They don't give a shiat if the shelves look like shiat, they just want them stuffed with as much as they can be. Even if a product doesn't belong there, put it there anyway, if it will fit. Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up. No talking to fellow workers! Its keep your head down and keep moving. Need a drink of water? Wait till your break! And if its a holiday eve, day or after. YOU ARE WORKING!!!!
Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.

I dunno - I've worked a lot of jobs and that really doesn't sound unusual. Certainly not unusual for entry level/non-skilled/customer facing positions.

Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there: Well, of course. And employees demand the absolute maximum they believe they can get a company to pay.
They expect you to work as though they are paying a lot more: What did you expect? "Hey - you guys only make $7 an hour - so it's cool to play video games during your shift?". I've worked landscaping jobs for a dime over minimum wage in the summer. Work is supposed to be hard.
'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up": That is perfectly reasonable.
Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up: Again - this is ab ...


Came here to say this. DownDaRiver sounds like a Mommy's Precious Snowflake who suddenly found himself all alone in the big wide world where - SURPRISE! - other people won't bend over backwards to fulfill his every immediate desire and expectation.
 
2012-09-24 02:22:32 PM

Lost Thought 00: If Obama cared about the economy, he'd pass a law banning Walmart from this country, and hang their executives for treason


I'm pretty sure this is a troll; nobody could really be this dumb and still be able to turn on the computer, orient his eyes to look at the monitor, and find the keys to press to make intelligible words on the keypad. At any rate, 0.5/10. well, maybe 0.6.
 
2012-09-24 02:28:21 PM
Everyone thinks I work at Wal-Mart anyway. Maybe I should actually get paid to be there.

/it doesn't matter what I wear either.
 
2012-09-24 02:35:58 PM

SevenizGud: Is this the thread where I come in and complain that I was looking for work, and inquired at Wal-Mart, but their wages were too low, so I declined, but then some armed thug came around and forced me to work there against my will?


Yes... please tell us what they did, and show on the doll where they touched you.
 
2012-09-24 03:06:03 PM

dittybopper: meanmutton: There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.

This. Despite the very, very crappy economy, my IT department tried to hire a new programmer a few months ago. We got precisely five resumes for the position, three of whom were grossly unqualified, and two of whom were acceptable. We offered the job to one of them, but they took a somewhat better paying position elsewhere. We had to go with our second choice, who has worked out quite nicely, btw.

Apparently, IT unemployment is around 3.8%.


I know what you mean. My company has been trying to hire in a Unix/Linux sys admin that also know C++ and can handle being an Oracle DBA on the side along with being a Sharepoint Admin and running our PCI audits

On call is only 24/7.

Can't find anyone with at least a Master's degree to apply.

We even bumped the pay up to $24k/yr.
 
2012-09-24 03:21:11 PM
Making minimum wage, part time, you cannot afford housing and food without government assistance. Even slave masters provided food and sleeping quarters.

Being a slave would obviously suck more. But how far away from slavery are these people? It's almost as if hundreds of thousands of American workers are slaves to their wage, if only there were a term I could use to describe it without being called a communist.
 
2012-09-24 03:28:27 PM

mcreadyblue: dittybopper: meanmutton: There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.

This. Despite the very, very crappy economy, my IT department tried to hire a new programmer a few months ago. We got precisely five resumes for the position, three of whom were grossly unqualified, and two of whom were acceptable. We offered the job to one of them, but they took a somewhat better paying position elsewhere. We had to go with our second choice, who has worked out quite nicely, btw.

Apparently, IT unemployment is around 3.8%.

I know what you mean. My company has been trying to hire in a Unix/Linux sys admin that also know C++ and can handle being an Oracle DBA on the side along with being a Sharepoint Admin and running our PCI audits

On call is only 24/7.

Can't find anyone with at least a Master's degree to apply.

We even bumped the pay up to $24k/yr.


CSB: when I was finishing an MBA program I used to browse the openings sent to the school by businesses looking for new grads.

I sent an email to the HR dept. that was looking for someone to manage an airport car rental lot, asking why the position required an MBA. Got a snippy reply that admitted the position wasn't quite at that level, but a successful candidate might eventually get promoted to a position that would.
 
2012-09-24 03:34:32 PM

dragonchild: Your question is relevant but flawed.


That's actually a damned good description of me. Except for the relevant part.
 
2012-09-24 03:42:41 PM

mcreadyblue: I know what you mean. My company has been trying to hire in a Unix/Linux sys admin that also know C++ and can handle being an Oracle DBA on the side along with being a Sharepoint Admin and running our PCI audits

On call is only 24/7.

Can't find anyone with at least a Master's degree to apply.

We even bumped the pay up to $24k/yr.


Heh.

Back when I was unemployed, lo those 10+ years ago, I looked into working locally in my small upstate NY city. It was *HILARIOUS* what some of those people wanted. I looked at a job writing ColdFusion CFML code for a local retailer, selling their wares on the web. Salary? $24k a year. I looked at a sysadmin job for a bunch of unix systems at the local hospital. $10/hr, and on call. Resident PC/Mac wizard at the local newspaper: $9/hr. I laughed at all of them. On the inside. Outside, I told them thanks, but no thanks, and good luck getting anyone but a nerdy high school kid to do any of that work for that price. All of them wanted someone with a minimum 4 year degree.
 
2012-09-24 03:46:24 PM
I've worked at three different Wal-Marts in a variety of jobs (night stock, cashier, electronics, service desk, front end hourly manager), and these threads always amuse me.

Let me just do the quick version:

- All the Wal-Marts I worked at paid well over minimum wage for all positions, including cashier
- Rules about completing work didn't just come out of nowhere -- you may be surprised, I'm sure, to note that plenty of lazy people with no intention of performing work take those jobs
- Wal-Mart is as local as whatever it's replacing (I'd love to hear actual counterexamples to this)
- Community votes with its wallet, works and shops there of its own free will, and proves that Wal-Mart is okay with the general population. Don't like it, don't shop there

\ Never working in retail again, it's a crappy job -- but anyone can do it, so the competition for jobs is high
 
2012-09-24 03:49:40 PM
I think that most employers don't really realize that the interview process is two-way: Not only are they interviewing a potential employee, the individual is interviewing them as a potential employer, and they are under no moral obligation to take the position if they don't like the offer or the general vibe of the place.

There are times when it's a buyers market, and employers can get away with stuff, and there are times when it's a sellers market, and job hunters can get away with stuff, but always there is the option of just walking away if you don't like it.
 
2012-09-24 04:11:57 PM
What are we going to do when (now that) there are more people than jobs? How are going to address the ever forward march to increase productivity until only a tiny few are needed to run the machine.

What's going to happen everyone else?
 
2012-09-24 04:20:26 PM

Dokushin: I've worked at three different Wal-Marts in a variety of jobs (night stock, cashier, electronics, service desk, front end hourly manager), and these threads always amuse me.


These threads amuse you because your mind is too simple to see the damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities and why it damages them, therefore you have been a part of the problem.
 
2012-09-24 04:23:00 PM

dittybopper: mcreadyblue: I know what you mean. My company has been trying to hire in a Unix/Linux sys admin that also know C++ and can handle being an Oracle DBA on the side along with being a Sharepoint Admin and running our PCI audits

On call is only 24/7.

Can't find anyone with at least a Master's degree to apply.

We even bumped the pay up to $24k/yr.

Heh.

Back when I was unemployed, lo those 10+ years ago, I looked into working locally in my small upstate NY city. It was *HILARIOUS* what some of those people wanted. I looked at a job writing ColdFusion CFML code for a local retailer, selling their wares on the web. Salary? $24k a year. I looked at a sysadmin job for a bunch of unix systems at the local hospital. $10/hr, and on call. Resident PC/Mac wizard at the local newspaper: $9/hr. I laughed at all of them. On the inside. Outside, I told them thanks, but no thanks, and good luck getting anyone but a nerdy high school kid to do any of that work for that price. All of them wanted someone with a minimum 4 year degree.


Sounds like Plattsburgh.

/Couldn't stay there 12 bucks an hour to put out the local paper for the rest of my life.
 
2012-09-24 04:24:38 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: I've worked at three different Wal-Marts in a variety of jobs (night stock, cashier, electronics, service desk, front end hourly manager), and these threads always amuse me.

These threads amuse you because your mind is too simple to see the damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities and why it damages them, therefore you have been a part of the problem.


Okay. Why don't you tell me the "damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities"?
 
2012-09-24 04:30:19 PM

Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: I've worked at three different Wal-Marts in a variety of jobs (night stock, cashier, electronics, service desk, front end hourly manager), and these threads always amuse me.

These threads amuse you because your mind is too simple to see the damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities and why it damages them, therefore you have been a part of the problem.

Okay. Why don't you tell me the "damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities"?


the driving out of locally owned shops in exchange for cheap chinese shiat. Driving down the quality of goods everywhere because everyone has to compete with that cheap, terrible chinese shiat because they can get the cheap shiat from walmart for 10 cents less.

how about instead of giving benefits instructing employees on how better to get on food stamps, medicaid and other state welfare programs.
 
2012-09-24 04:42:10 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: meanmutton: ***snip***
There are so many absurd HR-generated "qualifications" that it's no wonder nobody can find a job and employers think they can afford to sit around and moan and groan about how nobody is qualified. ***snip***


While I agree with 99% of your post 1000%, I have to disagree that the absurd qualifications are "HR-generated". If the hiring manager doesn't have control or input on the requirements for the position, the place is probably a bureaucratic nightmare to work at.

As someone who works with recruiters, it is incredibly frustrating to spend time chasing down candidates who either don't exist or you know won't take the job because they are making well above the maximum you can offer.

//As someone looking for a job outside of the recruiting world, it is soul crushing to not get calls back or hear over and over again that your experience isn't an exact fit, even though you did that job as one of your multitude of responsibilities.
 
2012-09-24 04:48:30 PM

mcreadyblue: dittybopper: meanmutton: There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.

This. Despite the very, very crappy economy, my IT department tried to hire a new programmer a few months ago. We got precisely five resumes for the position, three of whom were grossly unqualified, and two of whom were acceptable. We offered the job to one of them, but they took a somewhat better paying position elsewhere. We had to go with our second choice, who has worked out quite nicely, btw.

Apparently, IT unemployment is around 3.8%.

I know what you mean. My company has been trying to hire in a Unix/Linux sys admin that also know C++ and can handle being an Oracle DBA on the side along with being a Sharepoint Admin and running our PCI audits

On call is only 24/7.

Can't find anyone with at least a Master's degree to apply.

We even bumped the pay up to $24k/yr.


My god that had better be hyperbole or a posting in rural Montana or something. I wouldn't judge either way, I hear what you're saying, but if that's accurate, I need to start prepping to move to Mars or something, 'cause we're past helping...
 
2012-09-24 05:00:25 PM

Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: I've worked at three different Wal-Marts in a variety of jobs (night stock, cashier, electronics, service desk, front end hourly manager), and these threads always amuse me.

These threads amuse you because your mind is too simple to see the damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities and why it damages them, therefore you have been a part of the problem.

Okay. Why don't you tell me the "damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities"?


Surrounding businesses CLOSE and that puts locals out of life-sustaining small business jobs and puts their employees out on the street. This also erodes tax bases in the communities, which in turn degrades the quality of municipal services across the board. Walmart changes shopping traffic patterns away from locally-owned businesses and shops, depriving locals of income. Walmart sells foreign-made goods, which puts American workers out of jobs. Walmart pays its employees so little that many qualify for social safety net programs like food stamps and medicaid -- this drains local government financial resources. The profits from sales of goods at Walmart do not go back into the local community -- all that profit flows to Bentonville and ends up in private bank vaults. Wamart creates a NET DRAIN of wealth from where ever they install a store.

A few more quick facts that highlight predatory nature of the Walmart business model:

#1 The average U.S. family now spends more than $4000 a year at Wal-Mart.
#2 In 2010, Wal-Mart had revenues of 421 billion dollars. That amount was greater than the GDP of 170 different countries including Norway, Venezuela and the United Arab Emirates.
#3 If Wal-Mart was a nation, it would have the 23rd largest GDP in the world.
#4 Wal-Mart now sells more groceries than anyone else in America does. In the United States today, one out of every four grocery dollars is spent at Wal-Mart.
#5 Amazingly, 100 million customers shop at Wal-Mart every single week.
#6 Wal-Mart has opened more than 1,100 "supercenters" since 2005 alone.
#7 Today, Wal-Mart has more than 2 million employees.
#8 If Wal-Mart was an army, it would be the second largest military on the planet behind China.
#9 Wal-Mart is the largest employer in 25 different U.S. states.
#10 According to the Economic Policy Institute, trade between Wal-Mart and China resulted in the loss of 133,000 manufacturing jobs in the United States between 2001 and 2006.
#11 The CEO of Wal-Mart makes more in a single hour than a full-time Wal-Mart associate makes in an entire year.
#12 Tens of thousands of Wal-Mart employees and their children are enrolled in Medicaid and are dependent on the government for healthcare.
#13 Between 2001 and 2007, the value of products that Wal-Mart imported from China grew from $9 billion to $27 billion.
#14 Amazingly, 96 percent of all Americans now live within 20 miles of a Wal-Mart.
#15 The number of "independent retailers" in the United States declined by 60,000 between 1992 and 2007.
#16 According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Wal-Mart spent 7.8 million dollars on political lobbying during 2011. That number does not even include campaign contributions.
#17 Today, Wal-Mart has five times the sales of the second largest U.S. retailer (Costco).
#18 The combined net worth of six members of the Walton family is roughly equal to the combined net worth of the poorest 30 percent of all Americans.

The reason people don't stop going to Walmart is the simple logic of the race to the bottom. And you cannot claim that enlightened self-interest has anything to do with herd behavior as applied to shopping at WalMart. Once people start to understand how socially and economically poisonous Walmart really is -- just as many of us already do -- Walmart can go serve third world countries instead of trying (and succeeding) to turn our country into one.
Walmart has been part of the problem for twenty years, nothwithstanding the homey boostrappy story of how the sainted Sam Walton began by selling condoms and fried chicken out of his car trunk to the whores and pimps of Bentonville, Arkansas, who were happy to just have a new shovel to use to beat their cousins over the head with after a night on the town.

So yes, Walmart is bad for all of us and our communities.
 
2012-09-24 05:04:52 PM

roc6783: HotIgneous Intruder: meanmutton: ***snip***
There are so many absurd HR-generated "qualifications" that it's no wonder nobody can find a job and employers think they can afford to sit around and moan and groan about how nobody is qualified. ***snip***

While I agree with 99% of your post 1000%, I have to disagree that the absurd qualifications are "HR-generated". If the hiring manager doesn't have control or input on the requirements for the position, the place is probably a bureaucratic nightmare to work at.

As someone who works with recruiters, it is incredibly frustrating to spend time chasing down candidates who either don't exist or you know won't take the job because they are making well above the maximum you can offer.

//As someone looking for a job outside of the recruiting world, it is soul crushing to not get calls back or hear over and over again that your experience isn't an exact fit, even though you did that job as one of your multitude of responsibilities.


That's kind of the irony and the horror of it all, isn't it?
They want somebody who can do the job who has maybe never done the job, so nobody is qualified.
If they hired folks who can do the job with a bit of training, they'd be all set. But as long as everyone is looking for the precise puzzle piece employee, we're screwed.

It's important to keep in mind that 50 percent of Americans earn $35,000 or less.
That's how far we've sunk.
You're in the 50 percent if you make $15 bucks an hour.
 
2012-09-24 05:10:45 PM

SuperT: Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: I've worked at three different Wal-Marts in a variety of jobs (night stock, cashier, electronics, service desk, front end hourly manager), and these threads always amuse me.

These threads amuse you because your mind is too simple to see the damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities and why it damages them, therefore you have been a part of the problem.

Okay. Why don't you tell me the "damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities"?

the driving out of locally owned shops in exchange for cheap chinese shiat. Driving down the quality of goods everywhere because everyone has to compete with that cheap, terrible chinese shiat because they can get the cheap shiat from walmart for 10 cents less.

how about instead of giving benefits instructing employees on how better to get on food stamps, medicaid and other state welfare programs.


But some people want the cheaper goods, as evidenced by Wal-Mart's success. It's not damage to the economy to offer people what they want. Indeed, that's what an economy is. Also, what were the locally owned shops selling that they were getting from elsewhere? What shops are we talking about, anyway?
 
2012-09-24 05:13:55 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: I've worked at three different Wal-Marts in a variety of jobs (night stock, cashier, electronics, service desk, front end hourly manager), and these threads always amuse me.

These threads amuse you because your mind is too simple to see the damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities and why it damages them, therefore you have been a part of the problem.

Okay. Why don't you tell me the "damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities"?

Surrounding businesses CLOSE and that puts locals out of life-sustaining small business jobs and puts their employees out on the street. This also erodes tax bases in the communities, which in turn degrades the quality of municipal services across the board. Walmart changes shopping traffic patterns away from locally-owned businesses and shops, depriving locals of income. Walmart sells foreign-made goods, which puts American workers out of jobs. Walmart pays its employees so little that many qualify for social safety net programs like food stamps and medicaid -- this drains local government financial resources. The profits from sales of goods at Walmart do not go back into the local community -- all that profit flows to Bentonville and ends up in private bank vaults. Wamart creates a NET DRAIN of wealth from where ever they install a store.

A few more quick facts that highlight predatory nature of the Walmart business model:

#1 The average U.S. family now spends more than $4000 a year at Wal-Mart.
#2 In 2010, Wal-Mart had revenues of 421 billion dollars. That amount was greater than the GDP of 170 different countries including Norway, Venezuela and the United Arab Emirates.
#3 If Wal-Mart was a nation, it would have the 23rd largest GDP in the world.
#4 Wal-Mart now sells more groceries than anyone else in America does. In the United States today, one out of every four grocery dollars is spent at Wal-Mart.
#5 Amazingly, 100 million customers shop at Wal-Mart every single week.
#6 Wal-Mart has opened more than 1,100 "supercenters" since 2005 alone.
#7 Today, Wal-Mart has more than 2 million employees.
#8 If Wal-Mart was an army, it would be the second largest military on the planet behind China.
#9 Wal-Mart is the largest employer in 25 different U.S. states.
#10 According to the Economic Policy Institute, trade between Wal-Mart and China resulted in the loss of 133,000 manufacturing jobs in the United States between 2001 and 2006.
#11 The CEO of Wal-Mart makes more in a single hour than a full-time Wal-Mart associate makes in an entire year.
#12 Tens of thousands of Wal-Mart employees and their children are enrolled in Medicaid and are dependent on the government for healthcare.
#13 Between 2001 and 2007, the value of products that Wal-Mart imported from China grew from $9 billion to $27 billion.
#14 Amazingly, 96 percent of all Americans now live within 20 miles of a Wal-Mart.
#15 The number of "independent retailers" in the United States declined by 60,000 between 1992 and 2007.
#16 According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Wal-Mart spent 7.8 million dollars on political lobbying during 2011. That number does not even include campaign contributions.
#17 Today, Wal-Mart has five times the sales of the second largest U.S. retailer (Costco).
#18 The combined net worth of six members of the Walton family is roughly equal to the combined net worth of the poorest 30 percent of all Americans.

The reason people don't stop going to Walmart is the simple logic of the race to the bottom. And you cannot claim that enlightened self-interest has anything to do with herd behavior as applied to shopping at WalMart. Once people start to understand how socially and economically poisonous Walmart really is -- just as many of us already do -- Walmart can go serve third world countries instead of trying (and succeeding) to turn our country into one.
Walmart has been part of the problem for twenty years, nothwithstanding the homey boostrappy story of how the sainted Sam Walton began by selling condoms and fried chicken out of his car trunk to the whores and pimps of Bentonville, Arkansas, who were happy to just have a new shovel to use to beat their cousins over the head with after a night on the town.

So yes, Walmart is bad for all of us and our communities.


Thank bill and Hilary Clinton for this. Hilary used to work at Walmart too.
 
2012-09-24 05:17:12 PM

Dokushin: But some people want the cheaper goods, as evidenced by Wal-Mart's success. It's not damage to the economy to offer people what they want. Indeed, that's what an economy is. Also, what were the locally owned shops selling that they were getting from elsewhere? What shops are we talking about, anyway?


That's it, hide behind the free market excuse.
Germany in the 1920s was a free market, too.
And you cannot for a minute argue that people shop at Walmart out of a sense of enlightened self-interest when their very doing so is destroying their own economic system.
Walmart has grown too large to operate without strict outside regulation for exactly the reasons I've listed above and which you've ignored.
 
2012-09-24 05:17:52 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: roc6783: HotIgneous Intruder: meanmutton: ***snip***


It is a horror to be sure. The client that I currently work with pays $5 - $15 an hour less than any of their area competitors for one of their positions, an issue of which they are well aware, but they biatch and moan that we do not give them qualified candidates that have enough specialized experience.

I worked with another client that when the recruiter offered a guy, who she had been courting over the course of months, the job, he laughed in her face because he would have to take a 60% pay cut to switch job. She went back to the company and told them, and they replied, well that what we are offering for this position, if he doesn't want it find someone else. It took her MONTHS to find ONE person with the qualification that was willing to even interview for the job, and their attitude was whatever, find other people who will take that salary, it's a bad job market, someone's desperate.
 
2012-09-24 05:20:11 PM

SuperT: Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: I've worked at three different Wal-Marts in a variety of jobs (night stock, cashier, electronics, service desk, front end hourly manager), and these threads always amuse me.

These threads amuse you because your mind is too simple to see the damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities and why it damages them, therefore you have been a part of the problem.

Okay. Why don't you tell me the "damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities"?

the driving out of locally owned shops in exchange for cheap chinese shiat. Driving down the quality of goods everywhere because everyone has to compete with that cheap, terrible chinese shiat because they can get the cheap shiat from walmart for 10 cents less.

how about instead of giving benefits instructing employees on how better to get on food stamps, medicaid and other state welfare programs.



Don't forget a large portion of the profits leave the area and do not get spent back into the local economy.
 
2012-09-24 05:23:17 PM

Dokushin: Also, what were the locally owned shops selling that they were getting from elsewhere? What shops are we talking about, anyway?


How about everything that Walmart sells, including but not limited to:
Food
Textile products (clothes, towels, washcloths, swimsuits, socks, pants, shoes, etc.)
Sporting goods
Tools
Furniture

Americans used to make these things before Walmart started to save a few cents on the dollar by buying Chinese-produced knock-offs. There was a time, long ago, that Walmart proudly proclaimed its good made in the USA, but that was probably several hundred billion dollars in profit stolen from Americans ago. Once the money goes out, it never comes back.
You're obviously too stupid or too young to understand this.

Also, by this point, you're a troll.
 
2012-09-24 05:23:43 PM

Rich Cream: SuperT: Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: I've worked at three different Wal-Marts in a variety of jobs (night stock, cashier, electronics, service desk, front end hourly manager), and these threads always amuse me.

These threads amuse you because your mind is too simple to see the damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities and why it damages them, therefore you have been a part of the problem.

Okay. Why don't you tell me the "damage that Walmart does to the local economy and communities"?

the driving out of locally owned shops in exchange for cheap chinese shiat. Driving down the quality of goods everywhere because everyone has to compete with that cheap, terrible chinese shiat because they can get the cheap shiat from walmart for 10 cents less.

how about instead of giving benefits instructing employees on how better to get on food stamps, medicaid and other state welfare programs.


Don't forget a large portion of the profits leave the area and do not get spent back into the local economy.


yea, I was gonna say that the majority of profits go back to executives in bentonville, but the counter to that is "YEA BUT NOT ALL YOU COMMUNIST" so I didn't.
 
2012-09-24 05:26:22 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: And you cannot for a minute argue that people shop at Walmart out of a sense of enlightened self-interest when their very doing so is destroying their own economic system.


It is your supposition -- your own untrained opinion -- that it is "destroying their own economic system." What you are talking about is exactly this: you want to tell people what to do because you think you know what's better for them. Your excuses for doing so? You don't like Wal-Mart because they're successful.

Explain to me why Wal-Mart is so successful (as enumerated in your list) if it's such a huge disaster. Why do people shop there?
 
2012-09-24 05:27:45 PM

Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: And you cannot for a minute argue that people shop at Walmart out of a sense of enlightened self-interest when their very doing so is destroying their own economic system.

It is your supposition -- your own untrained opinion -- that it is "destroying their own economic system." What you are talking about is exactly this: you want to tell people what to do because you think you know what's better for them. Your excuses for doing so? You don't like Wal-Mart because they're successful.

Explain to me why Wal-Mart is so successful (as enumerated in your list) if it's such a huge disaster. Why do people shop there?


because the chinese made shiat is 10cents cheaper. and/or there is no where else to get it. It's a downward farking spiral.
 
2012-09-24 05:30:39 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: Also, what were the locally owned shops selling that they were getting from elsewhere? What shops are we talking about, anyway?

How about everything that Walmart sells, including but not limited to:
Food
Textile products (clothes, towels, washcloths, swimsuits, socks, pants, shoes, etc.)
Sporting goods
Tools
Furniture

Americans used to make these things before Walmart started to save a few cents on the dollar by buying Chinese-produced knock-offs. There was a time, long ago, that Walmart proudly proclaimed its good made in the USA, but that was probably several hundred billion dollars in profit stolen from Americans ago. Once the money goes out, it never comes back.
You're obviously too stupid or too young to understand this.

Also, by this point, you're a troll.


Where do the other grocery stores get the food?
Where do the other sporting goods stores get the other sporting goods?
etc.

Also, if you want to talk dollars, Wal-Mart International brings $100 billion back from international sales each year.

SuperT: Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: And you cannot for a minute argue that people shop at Walmart out of a sense of enlightened self-interest when their very doing so is destroying their own economic system.

It is your supposition -- your own untrained opinion -- that it is "destroying their own economic system." What you are talking about is exactly this: you want to tell people what to do because you think you know what's better for them. Your excuses for doing so? You don't like Wal-Mart because they're successful.

Explain to me why Wal-Mart is so successful (as enumerated in your list) if it's such a huge disaster. Why do people shop there?

because the chinese made shiat is 10cents cheaper. and/or there is no where else to get it. It's a downward farking spiral.


Why don't people pay the extra 10 cents if it means not destroying the economy?
 
2012-09-24 05:34:41 PM

Dokushin: Why don't people pay the extra 10 cents if it means not destroying the economy?


Because they're not thinking about destroying their personal economy, they're thinking about getting a hoe for a buck cheaper.

Enlightened self-interest, how work it.
 
2012-09-24 05:38:10 PM

Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: Also, what were the locally owned shops selling that they were getting from elsewhere? What shops are we talking about, anyway?

How about everything that Walmart sells, including but not limited to:
Food
Textile products (clothes, towels, washcloths, swimsuits, socks, pants, shoes, etc.)
Sporting goods
Tools
Furniture

Americans used to make these things before Walmart started to save a few cents on the dollar by buying Chinese-produced knock-offs. There was a time, long ago, that Walmart proudly proclaimed its good made in the USA, but that was probably several hundred billion dollars in profit stolen from Americans ago. Once the money goes out, it never comes back.
You're obviously too stupid or too young to understand this.

Also, by this point, you're a troll.

Where do the other grocery stores get the food?
Where do the other sporting goods stores get the other sporting goods?
etc.

Also, if you want to talk dollars, Wal-Mart International brings $100 billion back from international sales each year.SuperT: Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: And you cannot for a minute argue that people shop at Walmart out of a sense of enlightened self-interest when their very doing so is destroying their own economic system.

It is your supposition -- your own untrained opinion -- that it is "destroying their own economic system." What you are talking about is exactly this: you want to tell people what to do because you think you know what's better for them. Your excuses for doing so? You don't like Wal-Mart because they're successful.

Explain to me why Wal-Mart is so successful (as enumerated in your list) if it's such a huge disaster. Why do people shop there?

because the chinese made shiat is 10cents cheaper. and/or there is no where else to get it. It's a downward farking spiral.

Why don't people pay the extra 10 cents if it means not destroying the economy?


because wages have been stagnant for 30 years. even if they wanted to, they are at the razor's edge. it's a self feeding cycle.
 
2012-09-24 05:39:00 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: Why don't people pay the extra 10 cents if it means not destroying the economy?

Because they're not thinking about destroying their personal economy, they're thinking about getting a hoe for a buck cheaper.

Enlightened self-interest, how work it.


So you're saying that if you don't think that someone is acting in their own best interest, they shouldn't be allowed to take that action?

Do you think this should apply to voting, too, for people who aren't voting in their own best interest?
 
2012-09-24 05:39:44 PM

SuperT: because wages have been stagnant for 30 years. even if they wanted to, they are at the razor's edge. it's a self feeding cycle.


So if the 10-cent cheaper goods weren't available, they'd have to go without?
 
2012-09-24 05:40:38 PM

Dokushin: HotIgneous Intruder: Dokushin: Why don't people pay the extra 10 cents if it means not destroying the economy?

Because they're not thinking about destroying their personal economy, they're thinking about getting a hoe for a buck cheaper.

Enlightened self-interest, how work it.

So you're saying that if you don't think that someone is acting in their own best interest, they shouldn't be allowed to take that action?

Do you think this should apply to voting, too, for people who aren't voting in their own best interest?


that's a false equivalency. You think letting a pimp string out girls on heroin is ok because in 2 months they are still around?
 
2012-09-24 05:42:18 PM

Dokushin: SuperT: because wages have been stagnant for 30 years. even if they wanted to, they are at the razor's edge. it's a self feeding cycle.

So if the 10-cent cheaper goods weren't available, they'd have to go without?


at the point we are at now, yes. without the cheap ass chinese shiat, those people would go without. Depressed wages and corporate robber barons combined with 3rd world slave labor are the problem. wal-mart is the biggest feeder of that problem.
 
2012-09-24 05:42:34 PM

Dokushin: So you're saying that if you don't think that someone is acting in their own best interest, they shouldn't be allowed to take that action?


Yes, exactly. That's why we have laws and building codes that STOP people from endangering themselves.

Also, people who are acting with enlightened self-interest are capable of voting to further and improve their own interests.

Walmart shoppers, not so much. They are a danger to themselves for the most part.
A truly successful company would be more socially conscious than Walmart, which merely strips wealth from the communities it infests.
 
2012-09-24 05:49:01 PM

Dokushin: But some people want can't afford anything but the cheaper goods, as evidenced by Wal-Mart's success.


FTFY
 
2012-09-24 05:58:11 PM
If you ever want to stop suckling on the taxpayer teat for your living, I'm sure Wally World would take you back in a heartbeat.
 
2012-09-24 05:59:02 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: DownDaRiver: Cont; Up until you actually start working there. Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there. They expect you to work as though they are paying allot more. Quality is priority next to customer service. Ha!!! Once you start its quantity, quantity, quantity. If you have to stop to help a customer you better be damn quick about it and also hope a manager doesn't see you missing from your area, because its 'accuse you of slacking, before you can explain that you were helping someone'. And even then its 'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up".
They don't give a shiat if the shelves look like shiat, they just want them stuffed with as much as they can be. Even if a product doesn't belong there, put it there anyway, if it will fit. Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up. No talking to fellow workers! Its keep your head down and keep moving. Need a drink of water? Wait till your break! And if its a holiday eve, day or after. YOU ARE WORKING!!!!
Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.

I dunno - I've worked a lot of jobs and that really doesn't sound unusual. Certainly not unusual for entry level/non-skilled/customer facing positions.

Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there: Well, of course. And employees demand the absolute maximum they believe they can get a company to pay.
They expect you to work as though they are paying a lot more: What did you expect? "Hey - you guys only make $7 an hour - so it's cool to play video games during your shift?". I've worked landscaping jobs for a dime over minimum wage in the summer. Work is supposed to be hard.
'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up": That is perfectly reasonable.
Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up: Again - this is ab ...


So, how long have you been Assistant Manager at Walmart?

/Kidding.
//Unless you really are on the management track at WMT.
 
2012-09-24 06:01:01 PM

roc6783: HotIgneous Intruder: roc6783: HotIgneous Intruder: meanmutton: ***snip***

It is a horror to be sure. The client that I currently work with pays $5 - $15 an hour less than any of their area competitors for one of their positions, an issue of which they are well aware, but they biatch and moan that we do not give them qualified candidates that have enough specialized experience.

I worked with another client that when the recruiter offered a guy, who she had been courting over the course of months, the job, he laughed in her face because he would have to take a 60% pay cut to switch job. She went back to the company and told them, and they replied, well that what we are offering for this position, if he doesn't want it find someone else. It took her MONTHS to find ONE person with the qualification that was willing to even interview for the job, and their attitude was whatever, find other people who will take that salary, it's a bad job market, someone's desperate.


Yep, Americans are just too lazy to switch jobs for less money.
 
2012-09-24 06:31:15 PM

Bontesla: Anyone who thinks this problem is limited to Walmart hasn't been paying attention. Amazon is notoriously hard on employees. Yards in which shipping containers are manually loaded or unloaded is very close to legal slavery.


My brother is permanently disabled after being worked to the point of severe injury by Amazon. Then they offered him $7k to STFU about it and walk away. How about no.
 
2012-09-24 06:33:04 PM

mcreadyblue: dittybopper: meanmutton: There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.

This. Despite the very, very crappy economy, my IT department tried to hire a new programmer a few months ago. We got precisely five resumes for the position, three of whom were grossly unqualified, and two of whom were acceptable. We offered the job to one of them, but they took a somewhat better paying position elsewhere. We had to go with our second choice, who has worked out quite nicely, btw.

Apparently, IT unemployment is around 3.8%.

I know what you mean. My company has been trying to hire in a Unix/Linux sys admin that also know C++ and can handle being an Oracle DBA on the side along with being a Sharepoint Admin and running our PCI audits

On call is only 24/7.

Can't find anyone with at least a Master's degree to apply.

We even bumped the pay up to $24k/yr.


And they also need to speak fluent Spanish and Mandarin.
 
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