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2012-09-24 01:16:15 AM
Took a seasonal job at WalMart. Thought hey, a buck or two extra for gifts. I'd just be sitting around drinking beers anyway. So a few hours a day wouldn't hurt, right?
They are absolutly wonderfly sweet and so nice. Up until
 
2012-09-24 01:38:16 AM
Cont; Up until you actually start working there. Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there. They expect you to work as though they are paying allot more. Quality is priority next to customer service. Ha!!! Once you start its quantity, quantity, quantity. If you have to stop to help a customer you better be damn quick about it and also hope a manager doesn't see you missing from your area, because its 'accuse you of slacking, before you can explain that you were helping someone'. And even then its 'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up".
They don't give a shiat if the shelves look like shiat, they just want them stuffed with as much as they can be. Even if a product doesn't belong there, put it there anyway, if it will fit. Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up. No talking to fellow workers! Its keep your head down and keep moving. Need a drink of water? Wait till your break! And if its a holiday eve, day or after. YOU ARE WORKING!!!!
Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.
 
2012-09-24 01:45:36 AM

DownDaRiver: Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.


Well, at least something good came from it.
 
2012-09-24 01:55:51 AM

fusillade762: DownDaRiver: Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.

Well, at least something good came from it.


Ya, there was that. But to this day I won't wear a dark blue shirt and tan kakis out in public.
 
2012-09-24 02:06:34 AM

DownDaRiver: fusillade762: DownDaRiver: Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.

Well, at least something good came from it.

Ya, there was that. But to this day I won't wear a dark blue shirt and tan kakis out in public.


Heh. I worked for Blockbuster for two years, I know the feeling.
 
2012-09-24 02:35:42 AM

DownDaRiver: fusillade762: DownDaRiver: Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.

Well, at least something good came from it.

Ya, there was that. But to this day I won't wear a dark blue shirt and tan kakis out in public.


A couple of years ago I was at our local Wal-Mart and I was wearing tan slacks & a dark blue T-shirt. Another customer walked up to me and asked where something was located and got really irate when I told him I wasn't a Wal-Mart employee. He called me a liar and said he was going to report me for not helping him and not wearing my employee badge. I laughed at him and walked away.
 
2012-09-24 02:58:07 AM
FTFA: "We know many customers are continuing to struggle as a result of the economy and high unemployment levels, but they have shown us that they're resilient. They're committed to giving their families a memorable Christmas," Walmart U.S. Chief Operating Officer Gisel Ruiz said in a statement.

Yeah, Wal-Mart was real concerned for the economy and unemployment levels when they brought in a bunch of H-1B contractors to replace hundreds of US employees in their ISD (IT) shop in Bentonville. Not to mention all the IT work they decided to send off-shore to India. Of course, Wal-Mart has been trying to crack that India market for sometime now, so I guess creating jobs for 1000+ IT workers in India is probably a quid pro quo situation.

But their concern is touching. Seriously. I'm about ready to cry.
 
2012-09-24 04:09:50 AM

DownDaRiver: They are absolutly wonderfly sweet and so nice. Up until


Up until they murdered you and hit "Add Comment"
 
2012-09-24 04:45:01 AM
what good do corporations provide for the country again? anyone?
 
2012-09-24 05:21:51 AM
The weekly let's mock Wal-Mart thread is here. All of fark will chime in about they are to hip to shop at Wal-Mart and then mock those that do.
 
2012-09-24 05:23:12 AM

DownDaRiver: Cont; Up until you actually start working there. Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there. They expect you to work as though they are paying allot more. Quality is priority next to customer service. Ha!!! Once you start its quantity, quantity, quantity. If you have to stop to help a customer you better be damn quick about it and also hope a manager doesn't see you missing from your area, because its 'accuse you of slacking, before you can explain that you were helping someone'. And even then its 'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up".
They don't give a shiat if the shelves look like shiat, they just want them stuffed with as much as they can be. Even if a product doesn't belong there, put it there anyway, if it will fit. Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up. No talking to fellow workers! Its keep your head down and keep moving. Need a drink of water? Wait till your break! And if its a holiday eve, day or after. YOU ARE WORKING!!!!
Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.


HA! The customer is demand side drivel; just fungible pigs that will slop at the trough no matter what offal it contains.

Your job is to keep the trough full and to remove any dead pigs.
 
2012-09-24 05:31:09 AM

DownDaRiver: Cont; Up until you actually start working there. Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there. They expect you to work as though they are paying allot more. Quality is priority next to customer service. Ha!!! Once you start its quantity, quantity, quantity. If you have to stop to help a customer you better be damn quick about it and also hope a manager doesn't see you missing from your area, because its 'accuse you of slacking, before you can explain that you were helping someone'. And even then its 'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up".
They don't give a shiat if the shelves look like shiat, they just want them stuffed with as much as they can be. Even if a product doesn't belong there, put it there anyway, if it will fit. Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up. No talking to fellow workers! Its keep your head down and keep moving. Need a drink of water? Wait till your break! And if its a holiday eve, day or after. YOU ARE WORKING!!!!
Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.


I dunno - I've worked a lot of jobs and that really doesn't sound unusual. Certainly not unusual for entry level/non-skilled/customer facing positions.

Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there: Well, of course. And employees demand the absolute maximum they believe they can get a company to pay.
They expect you to work as though they are paying a lot more: What did you expect? "Hey - you guys only make $7 an hour - so it's cool to play video games during your shift?". I've worked landscaping jobs for a dime over minimum wage in the summer. Work is supposed to be hard.
'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up": That is perfectly reasonable.
Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up: Again - this is absolutely expected.
Need a drink of water? Wait till your break!: That's sort of the point of a break.
Oreintation was 5 days: That's actually far better training than most jobs I've had. And you were paid for it!
 
2012-09-24 06:19:44 AM
So two companies are going to add 140k jobs to the jobs numbers, this won't be good for mitt.
 
2012-09-24 06:41:52 AM
Anyone who thinks this problem is limited to Walmart hasn't been paying attention. Amazon is notoriously hard on employees. Yards in which shipping containers are manually loaded or unloaded is very close to legal slavery.
 
2012-09-24 06:48:18 AM

DownDaRiver: Cont; Up until you actually start working there. Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there. They expect you to work as though they are paying allot more. Quality is priority next to customer service. Ha!!! Once you start its quantity, quantity, quantity. If you have to stop to help a customer you better be damn quick about it and also hope a manager doesn't see you missing from your area, because its 'accuse you of slacking, before you can explain that you were helping someone'. And even then its 'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up".
They don't give a shiat if the shelves look like shiat, they just want them stuffed with as much as they can be. Even if a product doesn't belong there, put it there anyway, if it will fit. Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up. No talking to fellow workers! Its keep your head down and keep moving. Need a drink of water? Wait till your break! And if its a holiday eve, day or after. YOU ARE WORKING!!!!
Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.


Isn't that pretty much every retail job?

I worked at home depot many years ago. The only thing I learned there was that retail wasn't a career, it's a job you get while you're looking for something better.

I lasted 3 months, which was about average in that store, other than a few crusty old department heads. Most of the people that worked there were just passing through.
 
2012-09-24 07:39:06 AM

DownDaRiver: Took a seasonal job at WalMart. Thought hey, a buck or two extra for gifts. I'd just be sitting around drinking beers anyway. So a few hours a day wouldn't hurt, right?
They are absolutly wonderfly sweet and so nice. Up until


For a moment, when this was the only post in the thread, that would've been genuinely suspenseful. It's like they vanished the dissenters or something.
 
2012-09-24 07:51:48 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there: Well, of course. And employees demand the absolute maximum they believe they can get a company to pay.
They expect you to work as though they are paying a lot more: What did you expect? "Hey - you guys only make $7 an hour - so it's cool to play video games during your shift?". I've worked landscaping jobs for a dime over minimum wage in the summer. Work is supposed to be hard.
'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up": That is perfectly reasonable.
Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up: Again - this is absolutely expected.
Need a drink of water? Wait till your break!: That's sort of the point of a break.
Oreintation was 5 days: That's actually far better training than most jobs I've had. And you were paid for it!


If you treat your employees like children they're going to passive aggressively react like children. It's the reason WalMart is such a shiathole. Stuff is cheap if you know exactly what you're looking for and can find it yourself, but god help you otherwise.

If you worked landscaping jobs for $.10/hr over minimum wage you were getting screwed, especially if it wasn't under the table.
 
2012-09-24 07:58:53 AM

you have pee hands: If you worked landscaping jobs for $.10/hr over minimum wage you were getting screwed, especially if it wasn't under the table.


Back when I was a kid not too long ago, that was about the standard rate for a high school kid on a landscaping crew. It went up after a few weeks if you managed to show up and not get excessively high or steal the equipment.
 
2012-09-24 08:43:48 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Need a drink of water? Wait till your break!: That's sort of the point of a break.


People who worship serfdom creep me out.
 
2012-09-24 09:09:02 AM
If Obama cared about the economy, he'd pass a law banning Walmart from this country, and hang their executives for treason
 
2012-09-24 09:12:46 AM

Lost Thought 00: If Obama cared about the economy, he'd pass a law banning Walmart from this country, and hang their executives for treason


So he would usurp the power of Congress, pass a law he wrote himself violating established law, redefine treason, and kill a bunch of people without a trial? Yeah, that'll work.
 
2012-09-24 09:40:00 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: DownDaRiver: They are absolutly wonderfly sweet and so nice. Up until

Up until they murdered you and hit "Add Comment"


They didn't hit "Add Comment", DownDaRiver's body hit it as he/she slumped over the keyboard. The Wal*Mart operatives were then left with a problem: How to discredit DDR. So one of them wrote a plausible, but slightly over-the-top narrative off the cuff while the others were disposing of DDR's mortal remains and cleaning up the crime scene.

One of them will stay there for a while pretending to be DDR simply to provide an alibi and to throw investigators off the scent: They'll see postings to an internet forum that happened and will assume that any foul play must have happened after. I expect, if history is to be any guide, that they'll continue posting for at least a day or so under that Nom de Fark, to provide an adequate amount of time between when the crime of heinous murder of one of our brave, fellow Farkers was committed, and when investigators will review things like surveillance videos at fast food places, gas stations, and tony fashionista boutiques.
 
2012-09-24 09:42:12 AM

Bontesla: Amazon is notoriously hard on employees.


If I worked for Amazons, I'd have a notorious hard on also.
 
2012-09-24 09:43:22 AM

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "We know many customers are continuing to struggle as a result of the economy and high unemployment levels, but they have shown us that they're resilient. They're committed to giving their families a memorable Christmas," Walmart U.S. Chief Operating Officer Gisel Ruiz said in a statement.

Yeah, Wal-Mart was real concerned for the economy and unemployment levels when they brought in a bunch of H-1B contractors to replace hundreds of US employees in their ISD (IT) shop in Bentonville. Not to mention all the IT work they decided to send off-shore to India. Of course, Wal-Mart has been trying to crack that India market for sometime now, so I guess creating jobs for 1000+ IT workers in India is probably a quid pro quo situation.

But their concern is touching. Seriously. I'm about ready to cry.


There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.
 
2012-09-24 09:45:18 AM

soj4life: So two companies are going to add 140k jobs to the jobs numbers, this won't be good for mitt.


Employment numbers are seasonally adjusted to account for retail hiring for the Christmas rush and the mass layoffs of the same people in January.

Also, 140k jobs aren't that many.
 
2012-09-24 09:46:30 AM

Basily Gourt: DownDaRiver: Cont; Up until you actually start working there. Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there. They expect you to work as though they are paying allot more. Quality is priority next to customer service. Ha!!! Once you start its quantity, quantity, quantity. If you have to stop to help a customer you better be damn quick about it and also hope a manager doesn't see you missing from your area, because its 'accuse you of slacking, before you can explain that you were helping someone'. And even then its 'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up".
They don't give a shiat if the shelves look like shiat, they just want them stuffed with as much as they can be. Even if a product doesn't belong there, put it there anyway, if it will fit. Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up. No talking to fellow workers! Its keep your head down and keep moving. Need a drink of water? Wait till your break! And if its a holiday eve, day or after. YOU ARE WORKING!!!!
Lasted 4 days. Oreintation was 5 days. So 9 days of pay. Bought me enough booze to last for the holidays.

Isn't that pretty much every retail job?


Yes. See, WalMart doesn't act any differently at all than any other retail company. However, it's cool to hate them because, umm, honestly I have no clue.
 
2012-09-24 09:50:08 AM
Wal-Mart really is emblematic of everything that is wrong with the economy.

We can't keep selling goods made *by* poor people *to* poor people and expect things to get better for anyone but the top 1%.

The answer, of course, is tax cuts for the 1%. If only they were a little richer, they could pay their employees more.

In conclusion, fark Republicans.
 
2012-09-24 09:53:54 AM

meanmutton: There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.


This. Despite the very, very crappy economy, my IT department tried to hire a new programmer a few months ago. We got precisely five resumes for the position, three of whom were grossly unqualified, and two of whom were acceptable. We offered the job to one of them, but they took a somewhat better paying position elsewhere. We had to go with our second choice, who has worked out quite nicely, btw.

Apparently, IT unemployment is around 3.8%.
 
2012-09-24 09:56:15 AM

thurstonxhowell: Back when I was a kid not too long ago, that was about the standard rate for a high school kid on a landscaping crew. It went up after a few weeks if you managed to show up and not get excessively high or steal the equipment.


We must have had a migrant worker shortage or something. The only places I ever made within $1/hr of minimum wage were Wendys and Dominos, and Dominos at least you got tips. Landscaping was usually 8-12/hr cash. Not great, but double minimum wage at the time.

meanmutton: Yes. See, WalMart doesn't act any differently at all than any other retail company. However, it's cool to hate them because, umm, honestly I have no clue.


Because their stores are disorganized shiatholes and half the time if you try to ask an employee a question they run away as soon as you make eye contact. They're better than Ollies or Kmart but that's not saying much.  They also don't hire enough cashiers so you spend 20 minutes checking out while standing next to 16 unmanned checkout lanes.
 
2012-09-24 10:02:36 AM

realmolo: We can't keep selling goods made *by* poor people *to* poor people and expect things to get better for anyone but the top 1%.

Explain to me in detail how we can sell goods made by rich people to poor people. Seems to me, if you are going to sell to poor people, you need to keep the prices down so they can buy those goods. You can't keep the prices down by paying your employees more.

If you pay your employees more, and bring manufacturing back here where you have to pay the employees more than $1.50 an hour and two bowls of rice a day, that's going to increase the costs, and you'll end up having to price those goods higher, and that means that poor people will be able to buy less. Not to mention the increased costs associated with doing things like conforming to US health, safety, and environmental codes.

I'm not saying that the current situation is necessarily good, just that it's Pollyanna-ish to believe that increasing the cost of production won't negatively effect the purchasing power of the poor.

Don't worry about China, their comeuppance is going to happen sooner or later. Their whole economy is built upon a house of cards largely financed by bogus commercial loans, and they've been trying to grow their way out of it. Problem is, you can't sustain double-digit growth forever. Just pray that when it happens they don't decide to strike out at a neighbor in order to provide an external enemy for the people.
 
2012-09-24 10:20:39 AM

dittybopper: realmolo: We can't keep selling goods made *by* poor people *to* poor people and expect things to get better for anyone but the top 1%.

Explain to me in detail how we can sell goods made by rich people to poor people. Seems to me, if you are going to sell to poor people, you need to keep the prices down so they can buy those goods. You can't keep the prices down by paying your employees more.

If you pay your employees more, and bring manufacturing back here where you have to pay the employees more than $1.50 an hour and two bowls of rice a day, that's going to increase the costs, and you'll end up having to price those goods higher, and that means that poor people will be able to buy less. Not to mention the increased costs associated with doing things like conforming to US health, safety, and environmental codes.

I'm not saying that the current situation is necessarily good, just that it's Pollyanna-ish to believe that increasing the cost of production won't negatively effect the purchasing power of the poor.

Don't worry about China, their comeuppance is going to happen sooner or later. Their whole economy is built upon a house of cards largely financed by bogus commercial loans, and they've been trying to grow their way out of it. Problem is, you can't sustain double-digit growth forever. Just pray that when it happens they don't decide to strike out at a neighbor in order to provide an external enemy for the people.


Novel concept. It's almost like a function of a free market.

/ Fear the Boom and Bust
 
2012-09-24 10:32:45 AM
"We know many customers are continuing to struggle as a result of the economy and high unemployment levels, but they have shown us that they're resilient. They're committed to giving their families a memorable Christmas," Walmart U.S. Chief Operating Officer Gisel Ruiz said in a statement.

"And by resilient I mean we keep on getting manufacturers to ship jobs overseas yet these people laid off keep on shopping here"
 
2012-09-24 10:49:18 AM

meanmutton: There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.


Bullshiat. Post an advertisement for one of those entry positions and lets count the number of specialized qualifications an applicant must have.

What you really mean is that it's hard to find the person with the exact levels of training, experience, and education to fill those positions. Your perfect employee does not exist.

This has to be the biggest lie of all making the rounds in the present so-called "economy."
Hiring people are looking for exact puzzle-piece fits for the open positions and nobody wants to spend a dime on training. Man, if you've got education, but not too much, and aren't too old, and have a top secret security clearance and a TWIC card, then maybe you can interview to unload these trucks. Oh. And your hair has to be brown.

There are so many absurd HR-generated "qualifications" that it's no wonder nobody can find a job and employers think they can afford to sit around and moan and groan about how nobody is qualified. If employers really gave a fark about growing their workforce instead of just maintaining staffing levels with disposable bodies, they'd invest in their workers. That, in turn, would promote loyalty.
But people don't give a fark about that any more.
 
2012-09-24 10:57:05 AM

dittybopper: Explain to me in detail how we can sell goods made by rich people to poor people.


In theory, by increasing productivity per worker, something technology is very very good at. It's not like any sector is responsible for providing the entire labor population with jobs.

In reality, Wal-mart couldn't have become what it is without consumers. People think that rich people buy expensive stuff and poor people buy cheap stuff; they get outraged when they hear about a millionaire qualifying for and living in Section 8 housing but WTF do you expect? Greedy people are greedy. When I lived in the Midwest, everyone I knew who shopped at Wal-mart wasn't poor. They were religious families who wanted it all -- big house, lots of cars, lots of kids and after pissing away all that money they got squeezed for food or gifts for Christmas, Wal-mart was there to offer cheap imitations of product for half the price and 1/10th the quality. What Wal-mart figured out is how to sell cheap stuff to a materialistic middle class, nurturing a mentality that if you go cheap you can have more. Tommy doesn't have to wait until next year to get his bicycle because it was Sally's turn; now you can go to Wal-mart and get bicycles for all five of your crotchfruit and shove 'em all in the minivan. And if one of them breaks in two weeks? Return it and get another one! When the middle class chose this faux luxury lifestyle of bathing in cheap consumer goods, it hollowed out not only what little was left of America's consumer goods industry but light manufacturing as well.

Your question is relevant but flawed. Within an economic superstructure you can most certainly sell goods made by rich people to poor people (not everyone can be rich at the same time but that's a different discussion), but that's not the issue here. As dirty as Wal-mart is, I don't see how class dynamics (for lack of a better term) could've aided or hindered Americans' collective decision to shop there.
 
2012-09-24 11:00:50 AM

dragonchild: In reality, Wal-mart couldn't have become what it is without consumers.


Yes, the old "blame the victim" argument.
Same as with the housing bust where those people signed all those unsustainable mortgages, also their fault, right?
You lose. Thanks for playing.

0/10
 
2012-09-24 11:02:55 AM

dittybopper: Problem is, you can't sustain double-digit growth forever.


FWIW, that's not a problem by itself. In some special situations (read: not China), like a post-war reconstruction or industrialization, you WANT double-digit growth.

The problem with China's double-digit growth is that it's an agenda, not a natural filling of a void. That means various spending habits, private and government, are not only optimized for but DEPEND on double-digit growth. That's a recipe for disaster because that means the artificial growth must be maintained just to stay solvent.

It's not like America is any position to be smug. Our own problems largely stem from the same derp -- we plan for exponential growth every year and suffer when it doesn't happen.
 
2012-09-24 11:04:11 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Same as with the housing bust where those people signed all those unsustainable mortgages, also their fault, right?


Not the same at all. I'm not an ideologue.
 
2012-09-24 11:05:06 AM

dragonchild: HotIgneous Intruder: Same as with the housing bust where those people signed all those unsustainable mortgages, also their fault, right?

Not the same at all. I'm not an ideologue.


Ah. An autistic fascist then.
I see.
 
2012-09-24 11:15:17 AM

lelio: "We know many customers are continuing to struggle as a result of the economy and high unemployment levels, but they have shown us that they're resilient. They're committed to giving their families a memorable Christmas," Walmart U.S. Chief Operating Officer Gisel Ruiz said in a statement.

"And by resilient I mean we keep on getting manufacturers to ship jobs overseas yet these people laid off keep on shopping here"


"And by memorable I mean going into unrecoverable debt."
 
2012-09-24 11:18:08 AM

meanmutton: Yes. See, WalMart doesn't act any differently at all than any other retail company. However, it's cool to hate them because, umm, honestly I have no clue.


Because Wal-Mart is the biggest, most profitable player. They are operating at such a scale that treating workers like human beings and paying them well above minimum wage would raise their prices so negligibly that no one who shops there would ever notice. Yet they continue to treat their employees like chattel, use the U.S. Government as a benefits program, and continue to rip the life out of local economies. And they pursue all three so ruthlessly that there is little to do but criticize them.
You don't hear people biatch about Costco. Even if the employee experience is shiat, they get paid starting $12-$15 an hour for it. They actually pay fairly for the quality they demand of their workers, giving less room for complaints.
 
2012-09-24 11:20:05 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Ah. An autistic fascist then.


Nope, sociopathic existentialist. At least when I'm on Fark.
 
2012-09-24 11:20:40 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: meanmutton: There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.

Bullshiat. Post an advertisement for one of those entry positions and lets count the number of specialized qualifications an applicant must have.

What you really mean is that it's hard to find the person with the exact levels of training, experience, and education to fill those positions. Your perfect employee does not exist.

This has to be the biggest lie of all making the rounds in the present so-called "economy."
Hiring people are looking for exact puzzle-piece fits for the open positions and nobody wants to spend a dime on training. Man, if you've got education, but not too much, and aren't too old, and have a top secret security clearance and a TWIC card, then maybe you can interview to unload these trucks. Oh. And your hair has to be brown.

There are so many absurd HR-generated "qualifications" that it's no wonder nobody can find a job and employers think they can afford to sit around and moan and groan about how nobody is qualified. If employers really gave a fark about growing their workforce instead of just maintaining staffing levels with disposable bodies, they'd invest in their workers. That, in turn, would promote loyalty.
But people don't give a fark about that any more.


So much THIS!

I keep seeing stories about these pooooor companies that can't find CNC machinists. What they mean of course, is they can't find fully qualified people with 5-10 years of experience.

Here's a clue. Train them yourselves!

/not a machinist, but I know a few.
 
2012-09-24 11:27:05 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Bullshiat. Post an advertisement for one of those entry positions and lets count the number of specialized qualifications an applicant must have.


A lot of IT recruiting is looking for "passive" candidates that aren't activity looking for job. This is like Joel on Software's old 2006 article about that really good programmers aren't ever on the market.

I just interviewed someone for a "senior software engineer" role that had a 10 page resume (she had a lot of contract jobs) that went into excruciating detail. One job had 5 lines that boiled down to "converted from one java bean into another" She contracted at Amazon but yet never used EC2 or S3. I can see how the resume fooled a lot of people ... now I'm annoyed at the contracting agency for sending her over.
 
2012-09-24 11:37:21 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: You don't hear people biatch about Costco. Even if the employee experience is shiat, they get paid starting $12-$15 an hour for it. They actually pay fairly for the quality they demand of their workers, giving less room for complaints.


Actually it's just a different cost structure. What they pay up front in wages they make back in better worker retention (quitting a $7/hr job for an $8/hr job is a no-brainer but no one quits a $12/hr job for the $8/hr job), lower training costs (because of less turnover), lower administration costs (ditto), higher efficiency (knowing what you're doing is always more productive than making mistakes as quickly as possible), and drastically reduced in-house theft. Stealing a big-screen TV from the dock is how you "get revenge on the Man" at a $7/hr wageslave job; if they're paying you $12/hr to do the same work, not only are you more likely able to afford the damn thing, you're less likely to risk your job for the instant gratification. When people are paid a decent wage, well, that doesn't make them perfect but you can spend a LOT less resources on simply keeping them from sabotaging your operation out of spite.

The thing about Wal-mart isn't just that they're evil; they're evil well beyond a point where they get justifiable returns. Seeing them become the dominant model for retail is emotionally distressing if you have any empathy, but on a social level the problem is they're far more influential than they should be. Costco does well but their executives don't make much (they do fine but it's not a sexy gig if you're chasing the uber-rich) and they're not nearly as dominant as Wal-mart, so it's no surprise Target looked at the two and put their money on evil. I don't know if they were ever a nice place to work, but Wal-mart and Target are becoming almost indistinguishable in terms of shopping or working experience these days.
 
2012-09-24 11:50:30 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: meanmutton: There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.

Bullshiat. Post an advertisement for one of those entry positions and lets count the number of specialized qualifications an applicant must have.

What you really mean is that it's hard to find the person with the exact levels of training, experience, and education to fill those positions. Your perfect employee does not exist.

This has to be the biggest lie of all making the rounds in the present so-called "economy."
Hiring people are looking for exact puzzle-piece fits for the open positions and nobody wants to spend a dime on training. Man, if you've got education, but not too much, and aren't too old, and have a top secret security clearance and a TWIC card, then maybe you can interview to unload these trucks. Oh. And your hair has to be brown.

There are so many absurd HR-generated "qualifications" that it's no wonder nobody can find a job and employers think they can afford to sit around and moan and groan about how nobody is qualified. If employers really gave a fark about growing their workforce instead of just maintaining staffing levels with disposable bodies, they'd invest in their workers. That, in turn, would promote loyalty.
But people don't give a fark about that any more.


the best robo generated help wanted ad I saw was for in an HP call center. they wanted existing TSC, and 5 years experience in server 2008. for 10$/hr
 
2012-09-24 11:51:03 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: meanmutton: There really aren't all that many IT workers floating around. It's hard to find people even for entry-level positions.

Bullshiat. Post an advertisement for one of those entry positions and lets count the number of specialized qualifications an applicant must have.

What you really mean is that it's hard to find the person with the exact levels of training, experience, and education to fill those positions. Your perfect employee does not exist.

This has to be the biggest lie of all making the rounds in the present so-called "economy."
Hiring people are looking for exact puzzle-piece fits for the open positions and nobody wants to spend a dime on training. Man, if you've got education, but not too much, and aren't too old, and have a top secret security clearance and a TWIC card, then maybe you can interview to unload these trucks. Oh. And your hair has to be brown.

There are so many absurd HR-generated "qualifications" that it's no wonder nobody can find a job and employers think they can afford to sit around and moan and groan about how nobody is qualified. If employers really gave a fark about growing their workforce instead of just maintaining staffing levels with disposable bodies, they'd invest in their workers. That, in turn, would promote loyalty.
But people don't give a fark about that any more.


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2012-09-24 12:00:46 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The weekly let's mock Wal-Mart thread is here. All of fark will chime in about they are to hip to shop at Wal-Mart and then mock those that do.


You sound fat.
 
2012-09-24 12:16:40 PM
OOoooh, seasonal at Walmart. That was actually my first job. They kept me on for exactly one month, and I was happy to be let go by the end of it. fark Walmart.
 
2012-09-24 12:35:57 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Pay is absolute minimum they believe will keep people working there: Well, of course. And employees demand the absolute maximum they believe they can get a company to pay.

The difference being if the employee is working the job to pay the bills at some point they will have to accept what the company will pay, wheras the company can always tell them to go pound sand and hire the next minimum wage teenager they can find.

They expect you to work as though they are paying a lot more: What did you expect? "Hey - you guys only make $7 an hour - so it's cool to play video games during your shift?". I've worked landscaping jobs for a dime over minimum wage in the summer. Work is supposed to be hard.
Says who? You make it sound like work is supposed to be some sort of punishment for being poor. "That's right peasant, work that labor intensive minimum wage job, that's what you get for not being born as part of the aristocracy!" Stupid argument is stupid.

'well, you better have that finished within your alloted task time or you will get written up": That is perfectly reasonable.
Because there is no way they would saddle an employee with unrealistic demands because they're too cheap to hire additional help, right?

Punch in a minute early or late from lunch and you're written up: Again - this is absolutely expected.
If you're a robot.

Need a drink of water? Wait till your break!: That's sort of the point of a break.
You're right, maintaining basic human functions like need for hydration is absolutely trumped by whatever menial task Walmart expects you to fulfill.

Oreintation was 5 days: That's actually far better training than most jobs I've had. And you were paid for it!
The fact that this seems out of the norm is exactly what is wrong with today's economy. Employers expect new hires to come on the job with the exact skillset needed to flawlessly operate Xwidget at Ytask and then wonder why they can't find any qualified applicants.
 
2012-09-24 12:47:38 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: they'd invest in their workers. That, in turn, would promote loyalty.


Yes, but you see that would cut into the owner's precious profits, which would mean they would only be able to buy one gold plated yacht for their cat this year and that would just make too much of an impact on their quality of life so they're just going to have to stick with the way things are and hope that eventually the situation will improve on its own.
 
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