If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(BBC)   Siemens denies participation in Iranian blow jobs   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 22
    More: Followup, Science and technology in Germany, Iran Nuclear, Iranians, Yukiya Amano, arms exports, Iran, Cold War  
•       •       •

2100 clicks; posted to Business » on 24 Sep 2012 at 4:29 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



22 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2012-09-24 07:43:45 AM
It just so happens that Siemens uranium refinement hardware ended up in iranian hands? SO MUCH BS.

Does anyone really believe that they would just use it for peaceful purposes? Is there anyone that naive left in our world?
 
2012-09-24 08:55:59 AM
I don't believe we possess the moral standing to deny any other nations the dubious right to develop nuclear arms. Yet, I don't really care to move into a world where every nation, every feuding tribe, several criminal groups, and the occasional police department has access to its' own nuclear weapon/s.In fact, I suspect that the success of containing development of nuclear weapons in other nations will directly impact the work of the various American peace groups to achieve a build down of our own nuclear arsenal. So, I can't honestly say that I am opposed to all efforts to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

I am particularly drawn to this sort of intervention (fta):" In June 2010, a virus - nicknamed Stuxnet - was found to have infected computer systems at Iranian nuclear plants." It strikes me as a solution that minimizes risk of bodily harm to any person on either side of the dispute. It involves, I assume, no kidnapping, no torture, no violation of another nations' airspace, and no civilian casualties. Still, it is a pro-active strategy to delay the introduction of additional nuclear weapons into the world a little bit longer. It is more creative, intelligent, and, probably, more effective than simply declaring preemptive war on Iran.
 
2012-09-24 10:14:29 AM
Building fatal flaws into hardware being shipped to Iranian nuclear facilities has been part of our strategy for the last few years.
/old news is so exciting.jpg
 
2012-09-24 10:15:01 AM
Someone was trying to set up them the bomb?
 
2012-09-24 10:20:34 AM
FTATehran is engaged in a standoff with Western countries which suspect it is building a nuclear bomb.

There's only one country saying that, and it's not in the west.
 
2012-09-24 10:21:09 AM
The only loyalty contracting firms have is towards money. If North Korea offers bigger profits, they'd move shop overnight
 
2012-09-24 10:40:36 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: Someone was trying to set up them the bomb?


In A.D. 2012, war was beginning.
 
2012-09-24 10:51:04 AM

sage37: Building fatal flaws into hardware being shipped to Iranian nuclear facilities has been part of our strategy for the last few years.
/old news is so exciting.jpg


The "flaws" are present in everything in the US/Europe too. This explanation is secondhand so probably slightly misremembered and oversimplified but basically, all of the equipment in these plants vibrates to some extent depending on the speed it's running at. And everything's got some sort of harmonic frequency to it depending on the construction, so if your equipment is running at whatever speed produces that harmonic frequency vibration, you're going to get damaged equipment. The [Seimens] control equipment should initialize by finding these harmonic frequencies and locking them out so the equipment will not be able to damage itself in this manner. The Israeli/US virus introduced to the control system in Iran instead forced it to (1) run at the frequencies that would cause damage from harmonic vibrations and (2) disabled the various alarms this should cause so operators didn't know what was happening until it was too late.

The same thing could be done here, for sure. There's no way around there being some sort of operating speed that will cause damage to equipment through harmonic vibration.  The best solution is to run on a parallel network disconnected from the internet entirely and limit physical access, but of course this drives costs up because you need to bring engineers to the plant instead of letting them work on problems remotely.
 
2012-09-24 11:14:54 AM
If anyone could do it and get away with it, it's them. They're everywhere!
 
2012-09-24 11:16:33 AM

Crewmannumber6: If anyone could do it and get away with it, it's them. They're everywhere!


i16.photobucket.com

Siemens. Everywhere.
 
2012-09-24 02:57:47 PM
Tell Mom that I expect to be getting more money soon. My girlfriend promised me a blow job!
 
2012-09-24 03:07:46 PM

viscountalpha: It just so happens that Siemens uranium refinement hardware ended up in iranian hands? SO MUCH BS.

Does anyone really believe that they would just use it for peaceful purposes? Is there anyone that naive left in our world?


Iran has the 10th largest deposit of Uranium in the world. Does anyone really believe that they wouldn't use it for their own benefit (for power and defense)? Is there anyone that naive left in our world?
 
2012-09-24 03:19:33 PM

Lunaville: I don't believe we possess the moral standing to deny any other nations the dubious right to develop nuclear arms.


Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, where it agreed that it would not develop nuclear weapons.

the countries with nukes agreed to reduce stockpiles, which the US has done.

Iran remains a signer to that treaty.

Israel, India, and Pakistan were the only countries that did not sign it; North Korea withdrew in 2003.
 
2012-09-24 03:49:10 PM

dumbobruni: Lunaville: I don't believe we possess the moral standing to deny any other nations the dubious right to develop nuclear arms.

Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, where it agreed that it would not develop nuclear weapons.

the countries with nukes agreed to reduce stockpiles, which the US has done.

Iran remains a signer to that treaty.

Israel, India, and Pakistan were the only countries that did not sign it; North Korea withdrew in 2003.


An interesting point: if Iran does not withdraw from the treaty as North Korea has done, it acts in violation of its' word, so to speak, and thus without integrity. It's something to consider.
 
2012-09-24 06:31:39 PM

dumbobruni: Lunaville: I don't believe we possess the moral standing to deny any other nations the dubious right to develop nuclear arms.

Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, where it agreed that it would not develop nuclear weapons.

the countries with nukes agreed to reduce stockpiles, which the US has done.

Iran remains a signer to that treaty.

Israel, India, and Pakistan were the only countries that did not sign it; North Korea withdrew in 2003.


I still think that all the bluster about "US and Israel whaargghh!" coming from Iran is mostly camoflage. They have two countries full of rabid Sunnis, one which has the bomb, right next door. If they can keep everyone else in the region focused on "west vs. Iran" they might have a chance before Pakistan and Saudi Arabia also decide Iran with a bomb is a bad thing
 
2012-09-24 07:04:44 PM

Lunaville: An interesting point: if Iran does not withdraw from the treaty as North Korea has done, it acts in violation of its' word, so to speak, and thus without integrity. It's something to consider.


Whoa whoa whoa.... Whoa. Whoa.... Iran having no integrity? Now I've seen it all!
 
2012-09-24 07:17:36 PM

Honest Bender: Lunaville: An interesting point: if Iran does not withdraw from the treaty as North Korea has done, it acts in violation of its' word, so to speak, and thus without integrity. It's something to consider.

Whoa whoa whoa.... Whoa. Whoa.... Iran having no integrity? Now I've seen it all!


You're overstating my position. Nations are made up of people. That of G-d is within every person. The overwhelming majority of the people in the world conduct themselves with integrity most of the time. In the case of the treaty referenced by Dumboroni, it maybe that the individuals in government with authority over such matters are acting without integrity. But it is going to far to imply that all of Iran has no integrity. In fact, it is probably going too far to state that all of Irans' leaders have no integrity implying that it is not possible for them to have integrity and act accordingly.
 
2012-09-24 07:34:33 PM

whither_apophis: dumbobruni: Lunaville: I don't believe we possess the moral standing to deny any other nations the dubious right to develop nuclear arms.

Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, where it agreed that it would not develop nuclear weapons.

the countries with nukes agreed to reduce stockpiles, which the US has done.

Iran remains a signer to that treaty.

Israel, India, and Pakistan were the only countries that did not sign it; North Korea withdrew in 2003.

I still think that all the bluster about "US and Israel whaargghh!" coming from Iran is mostly camoflage. They have two countries full of rabid Sunnis, one which has the bomb, right next door. If they can keep everyone else in the region focused on "west vs. Iran" they might have a chance before Pakistan and Saudi Arabia also decide Iran with a bomb is a bad thing


You may be correct. It has also occurred to me that, perhaps, Saudi Arabia might prefer that the United States incur the cost and risk of containing Iran. The Saudis' might reason that it is more sensible to save their cash, to refrain from borrowing from China to fund wars, and to save the lives of their youth if someone else can be enticed to bear the cost instead.

Then, I come back to that of G-d in everyone and I think maybe Saudi Arabia does not view the situation as urgently as the US government does. Maybe they have entirely different ideas about how to handle the situation. Sometimes I wonder if one of the reasons that the USA seems to be continually engaged in some sort of military conflict is that, culturally, we are just too excitable.
 
2012-09-24 07:38:22 PM

Lunaville: That of G-d is within every person.


The fark are you talking about? Did you just have a stroke or something?
 
2012-09-24 08:06:53 PM

Honest Bender: Lunaville: That of G-d is within every person.

The fark are you talking about? Did you just have a stroke or something?


Did the fark filter get updated by B'nai B'rith?
 
2012-09-24 08:53:13 PM

Honest Bender: Lunaville: That of G-d is within every person.

The fark are you talking about? Did you just have a stroke or something?


Oh poo, that sentence was supposed to read "There is that of G-d in every person." No wonder it didn't make any sense to you. It wasn't even a complete sentence. Sorry, I'll try to proofread before posting next time.
 
2012-09-24 09:22:37 PM

Lunaville: Honest Bender: Lunaville: That of G-d is within every person.

The fark are you talking about? Did you just have a stroke or something?

Oh poo, that sentence was supposed to read "There is that of G-d in every person." No wonder it didn't make any sense to you. It wasn't even a complete sentence. Sorry, I'll try to proofread before posting next time.


It still doesn't mean anything...
 
Displayed 22 of 22 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report