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(The Hill)   Conservative radio host offers advice for Romney on upcoming debate: "He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader. But he shouldn't reinvent himself"   (thehill.com) divider line 94
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2012-09-24 09:50:46 AM  
"He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader. But he shouldn't reinvent himself. Another Romney reinvention plays right into the president's hands," said Steve Deace, an influential Iowa-based conservative radio host.

so basically...Romney is f*cked.
 
2012-09-24 10:15:13 AM  

Weaver95: "He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader. But he shouldn't reinvent himself. Another Romney reinvention plays right into the president's hands," said Steve Deace, an influential Iowa-based conservative radio host.

so basically...Romney is f*cked.


Once you can fake sincerity, you have it made.

I am not really sure which tactic they haven't tried yet. I suppose young urban hipster, but that would scare his base.
 
2012-09-24 10:28:15 AM  

EvilEgg: Weaver95: "He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader. But he shouldn't reinvent himself. Another Romney reinvention plays right into the president's hands," said Steve Deace, an influential Iowa-based conservative radio host.

so basically...Romney is f*cked.

Once you can fake sincerity, you have it made.

I am not really sure which tactic they haven't tried yet. I suppose young urban hipster, but that would scare his base.


I don't know what Romney can do to salvage things. look, he can't talk about his business record (counter: Bain capital/vulture capitalism). he can't talk about his record as governor (counter: Romneycare, HORRIBLE record on job creation). He can't talk about religion (counter: GOP evangelicals hate/fear Mormons almost as much as they hate Obama). Romney has also created a number of lasting controversies (his refusal to talk about his tax returns, his '47%' speech, among others). Plus, the GOP convention was poorly managed (changing the rules midstream to evict the Ron Paul delegates, a couple well documented moments of blatant racism AND the 'empty chair' speech).

And I'm not even talking about Obama's people kicking things into campaign mode. Just looking at Romney and the Republican election season antics alone, it's not looking good for Mitt. this whole thing has been poorly managed, sloppy and inefficient. Romney's not just lacking popular appeal, he's almost gone out of his way to make the moderates distrust and/or hate him. just Romney's open contempt of anyone making less than 250k a year alone is enough to drive most voters away. add to that Romney's clear preference for dominionist theology and authoritarian controls on what's left of the middle class and people are deciding that Obama is clearly the lesser of the many evils out there this year.

So I don't know how Romney is gonna get out from under all this. I don't know that he CAN get out from all this. half the crap that's destroying his chances was caused by himself and/or his campaign! you just can't fix something like that.
 
2012-09-24 10:39:33 AM  
He should be Person X, but since he's not already Person X, he shouldn't become Person X. What a fancy, verbose way of saying, "Romney's a dickhead who has to start looking like a decent human being, but he shouldn't stop looking like a dickhead."

There's no way Romney is going to come out smelling like roses during the debates unless the President doesn't show up, shiats his pants and throws it at the moderator, or beats Romney to death with the lectern.
 
2012-09-24 10:53:19 AM  
He's got the transparent thing down.
 
2012-09-24 10:53:28 AM  

Coco LaFemme: He should be Person X, but since he's not already Person X, he shouldn't become Person X. What a fancy, verbose way of saying, "Romney's a dickhead who has to start looking like a decent human being, but he shouldn't stop looking like a dickhead."

There's no way Romney is going to come out smelling like roses during the debates unless the President doesn't show up, shiats his pants and throws it at the moderator, or beats Romney to death with the lectern.


I wouldn't want him beaten to DEATH, really, but a good ass whoopin' with s podium would probably do that smug asshole a world of good.
 
2012-09-24 11:15:30 AM  

Shadowknight: Coco LaFemme: He should be Person X, but since he's not already Person X, he shouldn't become Person X. What a fancy, verbose way of saying, "Romney's a dickhead who has to start looking like a decent human being, but he shouldn't stop looking like a dickhead."

There's no way Romney is going to come out smelling like roses during the debates unless the President doesn't show up, shiats his pants and throws it at the moderator, or beats Romney to death with the lectern.

I wouldn't want him beaten to DEATH, really, but a good ass whoopin' with s podium would probably do that smug asshole a world of good.


We all know that no matter how badly Romney loses the debate, Fox News will claim that he won somehow. I just Romney to lose badly enough, that Fox News even claiming a draw will be laughable.
 
2012-09-24 11:20:56 AM  
The only thing consistent about Romney is his inconsistency on nearly everything (except perhaps support for the wealthy). What is another drastic change to him? When it's about the power and the office over any personal beliefs and convictions at all, he's free to just drift where ever the votes are, so might as well set sail on more time. Why not? What does he have to lose at this point? And there are just enough American voters who don't pay any attention until right before election day, so he might just get by with it. And let's face it, those are the votes by which our republican now is governed.
 
2012-09-24 11:21:12 AM  

mrshowrules: Shadowknight: Coco LaFemme: He should be Person X, but since he's not already Person X, he shouldn't become Person X. What a fancy, verbose way of saying, "Romney's a dickhead who has to start looking like a decent human being, but he shouldn't stop looking like a dickhead."

There's no way Romney is going to come out smelling like roses during the debates unless the President doesn't show up, shiats his pants and throws it at the moderator, or beats Romney to death with the lectern.

I wouldn't want him beaten to DEATH, really, but a good ass whoopin' with s podium would probably do that smug asshole a world of good.

We all know that no matter how badly Romney loses the debate, Fox News will claim that he won somehow. I just Romney to lose badly enough, that Fox News even claiming a draw will be laughable.


I think that when Romney loses, some factions within the GOP are going to completely lose their shiat.
 
2012-09-24 11:34:13 AM  
Any Romney debate performance that ends with un-shat pants or without him screaming Loki's "In the end, you will always kneel" speech from the Avengers movie while Romney's neck veins pop to the beat of "Another One Bites the Dust" and Ann pepper-sprays Cokie Roberts will be reported on Fox News as "A total, game-changing Romney victory"
 
2012-09-24 11:39:23 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Any Romney debate performance that ends with un-shat pants or without him screaming Loki's "In the end, you will always kneel" speech from the Avengers movie while Romney's neck veins pop to the beat of "Another One Bites the Dust" and Ann pepper-sprays Cokie Roberts will be reported on Fox News as "A total, game-changing Romney victory"


I wouldn't put it past Romney to refer to African socialism is some way.
 
2012-09-24 12:06:49 PM  
If Obama and Romney's political stances were reversed, I'd lay money on Romney to win the debates.

Romney is a crappy un-charismatic candidate and the GOP positions suck balls. They've got nothing but lies and fear to fall back on.
 
2012-09-24 12:12:25 PM  
Making androids likable only happens on TV shows and movies....
 
2012-09-24 12:33:26 PM  
Is it too late to legally change his name to "Generic Republican"?

I hear the poll numbers on that guy rock!
 
2012-09-24 12:34:07 PM  
If he dodges Bain, his taxes, an actual plan for reforming Obamacare/tax system/economy/contraception/rape&women's rights/immigration/foreign policy he will be farked.

/sorry but he's already screwed the pooch
 
2012-09-24 12:34:25 PM  
You know what I'd like to see? (I know you do) An actual formal debate. Like with propositions and each candidate arguing 'for' or 'against.'

/As opposed to, like, idiot "journalist" throwing softballs and candidate responding with "Set Response 11K"
 
2012-09-24 12:36:35 PM  

EvilEgg: Once you can fake sincerity, you have it made.


Ah, so that's why he picked Ryan as the VP candidate.
 
2012-09-24 12:37:21 PM  

Coco LaFemme: He should be Person X, but since he's not already Person X, he shouldn't become Person X. What a fancy, verbose way of saying, "Romney's a dickhead who has to start looking like a decent human being, but he shouldn't stop looking like a dickhead."


I actually think reality is the exact opposite. Romney is a pretty reasonable guy who has to start looking like a far right wing dickhead, but he shouldn't stop being a pretty reasonable guy.

As an elected politician, look at what he did. Then compare that to all the derp he's spewing to pretend to look like a far right wing dickhead in this election. That's why there are so many gaffes here, he's pretending to be something he is not.
 
2012-09-24 12:38:26 PM  

EvilEgg: I suppose young urban hipster, but that would scare his base.


I smell a good photoshop meme. Romney hipster, or Ripster.
 
2012-09-24 12:38:35 PM  
You know, as this looks to be a landslide for Obama, and a live in a Blue locked state. I'm seriously thinking of voting for Gary Johnson. I don't want him to win, but why the heck not.
 
2012-09-24 12:40:22 PM  
Krackers for Kenyan Kommunism?
 
2012-09-24 12:40:49 PM  

bartink: EvilEgg: I suppose young urban hipster, but that would scare his base.

I smell a good photoshop meme. Romney hipster, or Ripster.


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Already done.
 
2012-09-24 12:42:01 PM  
There is an entire debate focused on Foreign Policy. He will be asked to name the leader of Libya who just made his first visit to the US. Even knowing this, I can tell you that Romney cannot name him. In fact, I doubt Romney is even aware that Libya has a leader, and that said leader is not a member of Al Qaeda. Nor do I believe Romney cares enough to try and learn this information before the debate.

/popcorn is on backorder
 
2012-09-24 12:42:08 PM  
Transparent the person who is saying "If I don't have to show my taxes by law why would I want to do it?"

How do you think he is going to govern as president if he is now saying "Well if the law doesn't force me to, I don't have to tell you!"?
 
2012-09-24 12:42:23 PM  
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
 
2012-09-24 12:42:45 PM  

MindStalker: You know, as this looks to be a landslide for Obama, and a live in a Blue locked state. I'm seriously thinking of voting for Gary Johnson. I don't want him to win, but why the heck not.


At least vote for Vermin Supreme, because his campaign slogan is: "A vote for Vermin Supreme is a vote totally wasted."

Plus, ponies. I worry about the dental part of his platform though.
 
2012-09-24 12:42:55 PM  
So, A && !A is what I'm hearing
 
2012-09-24 12:44:12 PM  

Lost Thought 00: There is an entire debate focused on Foreign Policy. He will be asked to name the leader of Libya who just made his first visit to the US. Even knowing this, I can tell you that Romney cannot name him. In fact, I doubt Romney is even aware that Libya has a leader, and that said leader is not a member of Al Qaeda. Nor do I believe Romney cares enough to try and learn this information before the debate.

/popcorn is on backorder


And as leader of the US he would call Israel and ask them what we should do.
 
2012-09-24 12:44:36 PM  
www.humorpolitical.com

Once the new derp logic upgrades are installed, Romneybot will be unstoppable.
 
2012-09-24 12:44:55 PM  

EvilEgg: MindStalker: You know, as this looks to be a landslide for Obama, and a live in a Blue locked state. I'm seriously thinking of voting for Gary Johnson. I don't want him to win, but why the heck not.

At least vote for Vermin Supreme, because his campaign slogan is: "A vote for Vermin Supreme is a vote totally wasted."

Plus, ponies. I worry about the dental part of his platform though.


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2012-09-24 12:45:32 PM  
The threshold for Romney is set somewhere just slightly above "Rick Perry". I'm not certain Mitt will be able to cross that, particularly if he starts getting defensive about his personal history, which somehow managed to not be brought up in any of the 20 Republican Primary debates. It's really easy to get under Romney's skin, just suggest that he has been somewhat less-than-perfect at some point in the past
 
2012-09-24 12:45:33 PM  
He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader.

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2012-09-24 12:46:18 PM  
Romney is being sincere and transparent. He is making no effort to hide his deep disdain for the working poor.He is sincere in his belief that wealthy folks like him are superior to everyone else.

You are seeing the core of Mitt Romney. You know exactly how he will lead.
 
2012-09-24 12:47:15 PM  
Obama is going to make him cry.
 
2012-09-24 12:48:56 PM  

Coco LaFemme: There's no way Romney is going to come out smelling like roses during the debates unless the President doesn't show up, shiats his pants and throws it at the moderator


Any candidate who poops themselves and throws it at the moderator has my vote.

/ I'm not proud that I am a 'One Issue Voter'
// It's my issue though damn it!
 
2012-09-24 12:52:27 PM  
As long as Romney doesn't sing.
 
2012-09-24 12:52:39 PM  
"He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader. But he shouldn't reinvent himself"

Too late. He already did when he knew he couldn't be a GOP nominee with some of his liberal policies.
 
2012-09-24 12:52:53 PM  

MindStalker: You know, as this looks to be a landslide for Obama, and a live in a Blue locked state. I'm seriously thinking of voting for Gary Johnson. I don't want him to win, but why the heck not.


I'm doing this in a landslide Red state. If the 'pubs haven't gotten their shiat together by 2016 with some actual candidates, I fear the Democrats will get complacent and start pushing for stupid, wasteful shiat.

I considered myself a centrist a decade ago, and now I find the central ground to be occupied by nobody but democrats. So I vote for them, and hope a rational party, be it a purged GOP or an alternate, rise up to challenge the democrats and keep them intellectually honest.
 
2012-09-24 12:53:58 PM  
I don't think in my life I have ever seen a presidential nominee that no one has a clue what his position is on most of the main issues:

Healthcare: Will remove "Obamacare" and replace with ??? (a thing not called Obama but is Obamacare, Emergency rooms, the BS republican "plan" of deregulating Helathcare and hope they decide to lower prices when there is no more competition)

Taxes: Reduce rate but remove deductions. Which dedications?? He refuses to say however others who've looked at the number say it will be ones used by the middle class. He has lied saying no one will pay more taxes. Mathematically that's impossible if he is reducing taxes for some others must then pay more if it's to be neutral.

Deficit: He has said he would reduce the deficit but doesn't give what specific things he would cut, but he also says he would massively increase defense spending which is the largest discretionary spending there is. He said he will not raise taxes plus add back $716 Billion in medicare waste. He does not say how he will pay for tax cuts, increase in military spending, the $716 in medicare waste, new war with Iran.

This is seriously the fullest of shiat candidate in modern history.
 
2012-09-24 12:56:48 PM  

BarrRepublican: MindStalker: You know, as this looks to be a landslide for Obama, and a live in a Blue locked state. I'm seriously thinking of voting for Gary Johnson. I don't want him to win, but why the heck not.

I'm doing this in a landslide Red state. If the 'pubs haven't gotten their shiat together by 2016 with some actual candidates, I fear the Democrats will get complacent and start pushing for stupid, wasteful shiat.

I considered myself a centrist a decade ago, and now I find the central ground to be occupied by nobody but democrats. So I vote for them, and hope a rational party, be it a purged GOP or an alternate, rise up to challenge the democrats and keep them intellectually honest.


I agree we don't want the early 80's Democrat party that was actually mostly pushing things that only the fringe wanted. That changed a lot after Clinton (or maybe it was the other way around) Right now the Democrats are very central where the GOP is run by the fringe elements like the Democrats were in the early 80's.
 
2012-09-24 12:57:23 PM  

red5ish: Obama is going to make him cry.


Either that, or lose his cool, and say something something truly derptastic. ( like the $10,000 bet he tried to make duriing the primaries, maybe, or "they don't make over 250k so they don't count")
 
2012-09-24 01:00:40 PM  

mrshowrules: Shadowknight: Coco LaFemme: He should be Person X, but since he's not already Person X, he shouldn't become Person X. What a fancy, verbose way of saying, "Romney's a dickhead who has to start looking like a decent human being, but he shouldn't stop looking like a dickhead."

There's no way Romney is going to come out smelling like roses during the debates unless the President doesn't show up, shiats his pants and throws it at the moderator, or beats Romney to death with the lectern.

I wouldn't want him beaten to DEATH, really, but a good ass whoopin' with s podium would probably do that smug asshole a world of good.

We all know that no matter how badly Romney loses the debate, Fox News will claim that he won somehow. I just Romney to lose badly enough, that Fox News even claiming a draw will be laughable.


"He really takes a podium to the face like a champ. That's what the American people want in a President."
 
2012-09-24 01:03:08 PM  
Romney gets testy as hell when he's challenged.

I'm looking forward to his awkward body language, expressions and forced "HA HA HA" laughter while the president is relaxed, focused and...well, presidential.
 
2012-09-24 01:04:05 PM  

Corvus: BarrRepublican: MindStalker: You know, as this looks to be a landslide for Obama, and a live in a Blue locked state. I'm seriously thinking of voting for Gary Johnson. I don't want him to win, but why the heck not.

I'm doing this in a landslide Red state. If the 'pubs haven't gotten their shiat together by 2016 with some actual candidates, I fear the Democrats will get complacent and start pushing for stupid, wasteful shiat.

I considered myself a centrist a decade ago, and now I find the central ground to be occupied by nobody but democrats. So I vote for them, and hope a rational party, be it a purged GOP or an alternate, rise up to challenge the democrats and keep them intellectually honest.

I agree we don't want the early 80's Democrat party that was actually mostly pushing things that only the fringe wanted. That changed a lot after Clinton (or maybe it was the other way around) Right now the Democrats are very central where the GOP is run by the fringe elements like the Democrats were in the early 80's.


We can test out the kooky shiat later. Right now we are in crisis mode, and we need people actually working OT - not people who actively stand in the way of getting shiat done out of wrongheaded spite.

TPoC, or whoever the troll for this thread is going to be - Report back to your masters that you are starting to lose the farking white middle class south Carolinian vote because of this stupid shiat. We have the Internet and we can actually see the stupid shiat you say and fact check it at a moments notice. Unless you want the party to die in 12-18 years (depending on the actuarial table referenced) stop pandering to the kooks and re-embrace the idea doing your farking jobs. The rest of us are starting to again, no thanks to you assholes.
 
2012-09-24 01:05:27 PM  

lennavan: Coco LaFemme: He should be Person X, but since he's not already Person X, he shouldn't become Person X. What a fancy, verbose way of saying, "Romney's a dickhead who has to start looking like a decent human being, but he shouldn't stop looking like a dickhead."

I actually think reality is the exact opposite. Romney is a pretty reasonable guy who has to start looking like a far right wing dickhead, but he shouldn't stop being a pretty reasonable guy.

As an elected politician, look at what he did. Then compare that to all the derp he's spewing to pretend to look like a far right wing dickhead in this election. That's why there are so many gaffes here, he's pretending to be something he is not.


I agree about the probable reality. But if he were to win, he'd have to spend his term pandering to the right wing to have any hope of a second term.

So, regardless of what his deep down personal beliefs (if any) might be, it's reasonable to assume he'd govern as a Generic Teabagger.
 
2012-09-24 01:05:55 PM  
You want "America run as a business?" Because we fire the assholes who do nothing but sit there shooting ideas down but with absolutely nothing of their own to offer.
 
2012-09-24 01:08:28 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: lennavan: Coco LaFemme: He should be Person X, but since he's not already Person X, he shouldn't become Person X. What a fancy, verbose way of saying, "Romney's a dickhead who has to start looking like a decent human being, but he shouldn't stop looking like a dickhead."

I actually think reality is the exact opposite. Romney is a pretty reasonable guy who has to start looking like a far right wing dickhead, but he shouldn't stop being a pretty reasonable guy.

As an elected politician, look at what he did. Then compare that to all the derp he's spewing to pretend to look like a far right wing dickhead in this election. That's why there are so many gaffes here, he's pretending to be something he is not.

I agree about the probable reality. But if he were to win, he'd have to spend his term pandering to the right wing to have any hope of a second term.

So, regardless of what his deep down personal beliefs (if any) might be, it's reasonable to assume he'd govern as a Generic Teabagger.


Plus, the legislative agenda he'd be sent (and subsequently sign) would be that of specific Teabaggers.
 
2012-09-24 01:10:00 PM  

Weaver95: I think that when Romney loses, some factions within the GOP are going to completely lose their shiat.


I thought the same about Dubya in 2004, McCain in 2008, teabagging Congresscritters and governors in 2010.

Now I assume there is no logical limit to how derpy the party can get.

I used to joke that, because of the embracing of anti-intellectualism, before long Republican candidates would have to pretend to be illiterate. Then we flirted with that via Herman "I don't like to read" Cain.

/my antidepressant dosage must need adjusted
 
2012-09-24 01:11:31 PM  

BarrRepublican: You want "America run as a business?" Because we fire the assholes who do nothing but sit there shooting ideas down but with absolutely nothing of their own to offer.


Every place I've worked has a good supply of such people.

/srsly, running government like a business is a terrible idea; they do different things, for good reason
 
2012-09-24 01:11:38 PM  
Is it too late for him to change his name to Generic Republican?
 
2012-09-24 01:15:19 PM  
Whatever Romney says, Obama should just respond with, "Well, that's what you say NOW."
 
2012-09-24 01:16:24 PM  

BarrRepublican: You want "America run as a business?" Because we fire the assholes who do nothing but sit there shooting ideas down but with absolutely nothing of their own to offer.


I love that line, "America should be run like a business". It betrays a complete disregard for what people want in both business and politics.

America should be run like a business, where the employees get to choose a CEO.
America should be run like a business, where investments into R&D are immediately determined to be "wasteful spending".
America should be run like a business, where you employ people who think their job is to reduce the amount of work there is. Oh, and they think the company exists only to subvert its reason for existence.
America should be run like a business, where your job is not to maximize revenue, but to reduce it.
America should be run like a business, where increasing market share is among your chief goals.
America should be run like a business, with absolutely no input from the rank-and-file (unless "morale is low" - then the CEO will roll up his sleeves for a day with the plebes to understand their plight).
America should be run like a business, where badmouthing the company gets you promoted.
 
2012-09-24 01:17:34 PM  
I really don't get the strategy with McCain or Romney - surely they can rely on outlets like Fox News to repackage their candidates to keep the theocrats and hard right happy, so the candidates should just be going for pure centre right to centrist positions to get the independent/conservative vote. Everything they say can be repainted for the consumption of the rabid base as needed, even if it is the exact same position as Obama it is hardly difficult to claim one plan is communism and the Republican version will save the entire world in a single stroke, given how facts are so irrelevant to their viewers who will just believe what they are told.

Instead they do the reverse and head hard right to ensure they get the votes of the people they already have the votes in the bag, and ensure everyone else won't vote for them in a million years.
 
2012-09-24 01:22:32 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: I agree about the probable reality. But if he were to win, he'd have to spend his term pandering to the right wing to have any hope of a second term.


Oh absolutely. If elected, Romney would run the country into the ground because Mitt Romney has no principles, he just wants to be POTUS.

Gaseous Anomaly: So, regardless of what his deep down personal beliefs (if any) might be, it's reasonable to assume he'd govern as a Generic Teabagger.


For sure. I'm just using that as my explanation as to why Romney's campaign is so full of gaffes. He doesn't actually believe what he's saying. He will happily believe whatever you want him to believe if you promise to vote for him. Just turns out the people that promise to vote for him want him to believe right wing derpy shiat.
 
2012-09-24 01:25:49 PM  

mcsmiley: red5ish: Obama is going to make him cry.

Either that, or lose his cool, and say something something truly derptastic. ( like the $10,000 bet he tried to make duriing the primaries, maybe, or "they don't make over 250k so they don't count")


That would be my strategy... hit him hard, harder than he's accustomed to from the GOP primaries. Knock him back on his heels and just let him go unscripted... we'll end up with another "I'm running for president, for Pete's sake" moment, I'll bet you $10K. 

I'd come out swinging with something like "my opponent has most likely paid zero in taxes for several years." That'll get Romney bumbling, and his best response is "no, I've paid more, you;ll just have to trust me."
 
2012-09-24 01:30:00 PM  
Better to play to your strengths, forget transparent and just shoot for opaque white.
 
2012-09-24 01:38:05 PM  

EvilEgg: MindStalker: You know, as this looks to be a landslide for Obama, and a live in a Blue locked state. I'm seriously thinking of voting for Gary Johnson. I don't want him to win, but why the heck not.

At least vote for Vermin Supreme, because his campaign slogan is: "A vote for Vermin Supreme is a vote totally wasted."

Plus, ponies. I worry about the dental part of his platform though.


Were I not in Ohio, I'd totally vote for Vermin Supreme.
 
2012-09-24 01:40:02 PM  

Weaver95: EvilEgg: Weaver95: "He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader. But he shouldn't reinvent himself. Another Romney reinvention plays right into the president's hands," said Steve Deace, an influential Iowa-based conservative radio host.

so basically...Romney is f*cked.

Once you can fake sincerity, you have it made.

I am not really sure which tactic they haven't tried yet. I suppose young urban hipster, but that would scare his base.

I don't know what Romney can do to salvage things. look, he can't talk about his business record (counter: Bain capital/vulture capitalism). he can't talk about his record as governor (counter: Romneycare, HORRIBLE record on job creation). He can't talk about religion (counter: GOP evangelicals hate/fear Mormons almost as much as they hate Obama). Romney has also created a number of lasting controversies (his refusal to talk about his tax returns, his '47%' speech, among others). Plus, the GOP convention was poorly managed (changing the rules midstream to evict the Ron Paul delegates, a couple well documented moments of blatant racism AND the 'empty chair' speech).

And I'm not even talking about Obama's people kicking things into campaign mode. Just looking at Romney and the Republican election season antics alone, it's not looking good for Mitt. this whole thing has been poorly managed, sloppy and inefficient. Romney's not just lacking popular appeal, he's almost gone out of his way to make the moderates distrust and/or hate him. just Romney's open contempt of anyone making less than 250k a year alone is enough to drive most voters away. add to that Romney's clear preference for dominionist theology and authoritarian controls on what's left of the middle class and people are deciding that Obama is clearly the lesser of the many evils out there this year.

So I don't know how Romney is gonna get out from under all this. I don't know that he CAN get out from all this. half the crap that's destroying ...


B-b-but Salt Lake City Olympics!
 
2012-09-24 01:43:15 PM  

PiperArrow: Weaver95: EvilEgg: Weaver95: "He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader. But he shouldn't reinvent himself. Another Romney reinvention plays right into the president's hands," said Steve Deace, an influential Iowa-based conservative radio host.

so basically...Romney is f*cked.

Once you can fake sincerity, you have it made.

I am not really sure which tactic they haven't tried yet. I suppose young urban hipster, but that would scare his base.

I don't know what Romney can do to salvage things. look, he can't talk about his business record (counter: Bain capital/vulture capitalism). he can't talk about his record as governor (counter: Romneycare, HORRIBLE record on job creation). He can't talk about religion (counter: GOP evangelicals hate/fear Mormons almost as much as they hate Obama). Romney has also created a number of lasting controversies (his refusal to talk about his tax returns, his '47%' speech, among others). Plus, the GOP convention was poorly managed (changing the rules midstream to evict the Ron Paul delegates, a couple well documented moments of blatant racism AND the 'empty chair' speech).

And I'm not even talking about Obama's people kicking things into campaign mode. Just looking at Romney and the Republican election season antics alone, it's not looking good for Mitt. this whole thing has been poorly managed, sloppy and inefficient. Romney's not just lacking popular appeal, he's almost gone out of his way to make the moderates distrust and/or hate him. just Romney's open contempt of anyone making less than 250k a year alone is enough to drive most voters away. add to that Romney's clear preference for dominionist theology and authoritarian controls on what's left of the middle class and people are deciding that Obama is clearly the lesser of the many evils out there this year.

So I don't know how Romney is gonna get out from under all this. I don't know that he CAN get out from all this. half the crap that's d ...


Yeah, thus far "Obama in campaign mode" seems to be three interns with photoshop and an incisive smirk. And those three kids are TOTALLY DESTROYING MITT ROMNEY.
 
2012-09-24 01:43:21 PM  
This should also be the dead end, full stop of another tiresome and wholly wrong GOP axiom, that of business experience being the unparalled ideal qualifier for the Presidency. No. In business all that matters is that you close the deal and you can see that's how Romney operates. What he knows to be true about himself or about the country is utterly irrelevant to him as long as he can make the sale.
 
2012-09-24 01:43:55 PM  
I heard a guy talking about Romney and the debates the other day, and he said that Romney has to be better than Obama on all counts, since he's the challenger and they're the natural underdog right from the start. So Romney has to outshine Obama at the debates, and considering the skill of Obama as an orator, (even though Romney is not a complete slouch) such an outcome is.......unlikely.
 
2012-09-24 01:48:23 PM  
Heard on NPR this morning that the Rolls-Royce ticket is enjoying a commanding lead in rural Red State areas.

/By Gawd

//"Don't Re-Nig in 2102"
 
2012-09-24 01:51:09 PM  

SoupJohnB: Heard on NPR this morning that the Rolls-Royce ticket is enjoying a commanding lead in rural Red State areas.

/By Gawd

//"Don't Re-Nig in 2102"


Meant 2012, I think

/"In the Year, 2535..."
 
2012-09-24 01:51:42 PM  

SoupJohnB: Heard on NPR this morning that the Rolls-Royce ticket is enjoying a commanding lead in rural Red State areas.

/By Gawd

//"Don't Re-Nig in 2102"


If we ran America like a business those states would be the first ones downsized to improve profits.
 
2012-09-24 01:52:49 PM  

cryinoutloud: even though Romney is not a complete slouch


atrocitynights.com

Don't sell Romney short. He's an incredible slouch.
 
2012-09-24 01:52:59 PM  

cryinoutloud: (even though Romney is not a complete slouch)


Romney tends to totally collapse under any sort of pressure. He nearly peed his pants a half dozen times during the GOP debates, and it was only the last few where he had the momentum that he could really hold his own.
 
2012-09-24 01:56:19 PM  

red5ish: Obama is going to make him cry.


It might be a valid strategy for him, actually. Let Obama pound you for half an hour, then just flat break down and cry on national television. Barely compose yourself and blubber a bit about how you just love this country so much, and yeah I don't have all the answers and I make mistakes, but I just want to help make this nation great, etc. Go for the sympathy vote, make Obama look like Robot Nixon.

Sure, it's the equivalent of faking an injury in a fight, then kicking the other guy in the balls when he moves to help you up, but he'd get a bounce out of it at least.
 
2012-09-24 02:03:14 PM  
"Give thy thoughts no tongue,
Nor any unproportion'd thought his act.
Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar;
The friends thou hast, and their adoption tried,
Grapple them to thy soul with hoops of steel;
But do not dull thy palm with entertainment
Of each new-hatch'd, unfledg'd comrade. Beware
Of entrance to a quarrel, but, being in,
Bear 't that th' opposed may beware of thee.
Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice;
Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment.
Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy,
But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy;
For the apparel oft proclaims the man.
Neither a borrower, nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man."
 
2012-09-24 02:04:54 PM  
GO back to the tried and true middle American questions:

How much does a loaf of bread, a pound of ground beef and a gallon of milk cost?

Bet Mittens loses his shirt on this one.
 
2012-09-24 02:06:46 PM  
You need to pick a side in order to debate.......Romney doesn't even have the prerequisite necessary to go up against Obama.
 
2012-09-24 02:07:24 PM  

DesertZephyr: GO back to the tried and true middle American questions:

How much does a loaf of bread, a pound of ground beef and a gallon of milk cost?

Bet Mittens loses his shirt on this one.


I bet it's been decades since Mitt has eaten anything with ground beef in it.
 
2012-09-24 02:07:46 PM  

jayhawk88: red5ish: Obama is going to make him cry.

It might be a valid strategy for him, actually. Let Obama pound you for half an hour, then just flat break down and cry on national television. Barely compose yourself and blubber a bit about how you just love this country so much, and yeah I don't have all the answers and I make mistakes, but I just want to help make this nation great, etc. Go for the sympathy vote, make Obama look like Robot Nixon.

Sure, it's the equivalent of faking an injury in a fight, then kicking the other guy in the balls when he moves to help you up, but he'd get a bounce out of it at least.


Didn't work for the Rebooted Newt Gingrich.

// and you forgot the Twelfth Commandment
// NEVER admit wrongdoing or apologize, EVER
// even if you're videotaped punching a toddler for wetting himself
 
2012-09-24 02:09:06 PM  
Leave Mitt alone! This is hard!
 
2012-09-24 02:10:50 PM  

jayhawk88: red5ish: Obama is going to make him cry.

It might be a valid strategy for him, actually. Let Obama pound you for half an hour, then just flat break down and cry on national television. Barely compose yourself and blubber a bit about how you just love this country so much, and yeah I don't have all the answers and I make mistakes, but I just want to help make this nation great, etc. Go for the sympathy vote, make Obama look like Robot Nixon.

Sure, it's the equivalent of faking an injury in a fight, then kicking the other guy in the balls when he moves to help you up, but he'd get a bounce out of it at least.


Didn't McGovern try that in 1972 and got stomped on for his troubles?
 
2012-09-24 02:20:45 PM  
Mitt "Trainwreck" Romney is really just a reflection of how much of a mess the entire Republican party is. They're pretty much unsalvageable at this point.

The debates are going to be the icing on the cake. :)
 
2012-09-24 02:29:08 PM  
"He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader."

So the opposite of Obama, right.
 
2012-09-24 02:46:46 PM  

jayhawk88: Go for the sympathy vote, make Obama look like Robot Nixon


May death come quickly to his enemies!
 
2012-09-24 02:52:59 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: DesertZephyr: GO back to the tried and true middle American questions:

How much does a loaf of bread, a pound of ground beef and a gallon of milk cost?

Bet Mittens loses his shirt on this one.

I bet it's been decades since Mitt has eaten anything with ground beef in it.


Aw c'mon... not even an All AmericanTM hamburger?

Or is his made of finely minced Kobe beef topped with aged Red Leicester cheddar cheese, on Italian focaccia?
 
2012-09-24 02:59:17 PM  
You just KNOW that the GOP brain-trust is already formulating something stupid, like the Sarah Palin, "Can I call you Joe?" thing. They think that they are oh so goddamn clever with stupid shiat like that.
 
2012-09-24 03:01:56 PM  

randomjsa: "He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader."

So the opposite of Obama, right.


Poor you.
 
2012-09-24 03:03:30 PM  

Lando Lincoln: You just KNOW that the GOP brain-trust is already formulating something stupid, like the Sarah Palin, "Can I call you Joe?" thing. They think that they are oh so goddamn clever with stupid shiat like that.


"Ok, Mitt, now the first thing you do is ask Obama 'Can I call you Fenyan Fommunist Foosurper?'"
 
2012-09-24 03:06:56 PM  

Rwa2play: jayhawk88: red5ish: Obama is going to make him cry.

It might be a valid strategy for him, actually. Let Obama pound you for half an hour, then just flat break down and cry on national television. Barely compose yourself and blubber a bit about how you just love this country so much, and yeah I don't have all the answers and I make mistakes, but I just want to help make this nation great, etc. Go for the sympathy vote, make Obama look like Robot Nixon.

Sure, it's the equivalent of faking an injury in a fight, then kicking the other guy in the balls when he moves to help you up, but he'd get a bounce out of it at least.

Didn't McGovern try that in 1972 and got stomped on for his troubles?




That was Ed Muskie.
 
2012-09-24 03:08:15 PM  

Lost Thought 00: It's really easy to get under Romney's skin, just suggest that he has been somewhat less-than-perfect at some point in the past


I think it's more likely the result of having lived his life surrounded only by sycophants. What we're probably observing is a 65-year-old man who's encountering criticism for the first time in his life. I'm actually surprised he hasn't thrown a temper tantrum yet.
 
2012-09-24 03:15:33 PM  

IrateShadow: Lost Thought 00: It's really easy to get under Romney's skin, just suggest that he has been somewhat less-than-perfect at some point in the past

I think it's more likely the result of having lived his life surrounded only by sycophants. What we're probably observing is a 65-year-old man who's encountering criticism for the first time in his life. I'm actually surprised he hasn't thrown a temper tantrum yet.


You are really going to enjoy the debates.
 
2012-09-24 03:26:19 PM  

IrateShadow: Lost Thought 00: It's really easy to get under Romney's skin, just suggest that he has been somewhat less-than-perfect at some point in the past

I think it's more likely the result of having lived his life surrounded only by sycophants. What we're probably observing is a 65-year-old man who's encountering criticism for the first time in his life. I'm actually surprised he hasn't thrown a temper tantrum yet.


That's a very good point. Huh... I hadn't really thought of it like that. You very well could be right.
 
2012-09-24 03:30:14 PM  

IrateShadow: Lost Thought 00: It's really easy to get under Romney's skin, just suggest that he has been somewhat less-than-perfect at some point in the past

I think it's more likely the result of having lived his life surrounded only by sycophants. What we're probably observing is a 65-year-old man who's encountering criticism for the first time in his life. I'm actually surprised he hasn't thrown a temper tantrum yet.


Oh, he has, he has...http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/22/1135276/-Romney-tantrum -part-of-pattern-including-1981-arrest-for-disorderly-conduct
 
2012-09-24 03:56:57 PM  

Karne: IrateShadow: Lost Thought 00: It's really easy to get under Romney's skin, just suggest that he has been somewhat less-than-perfect at some point in the past

I think it's more likely the result of having lived his life surrounded only by sycophants. What we're probably observing is a 65-year-old man who's encountering criticism for the first time in his life. I'm actually surprised he hasn't thrown a temper tantrum yet.

You are really going to enjoy the debates.


Obama is going to own him when he starts saying things like "I agreed with what you said previously about......" Conservative Mitt would get his ass handed to him in a debate with Governor Mitt's previous statements.
 
2012-09-24 04:04:12 PM  

Coco LaFemme: He should be Person X, but since he's not already Person X, he shouldn't become Person X. What a fancy, verbose way of saying, "Romney's a dickhead who has to start looking like a decent human being, but he shouldn't stop looking like a dickhead."

There's no way Romney is going to come out smelling like roses during the debates unless the President doesn't show up, shiats his pants and throws it at the moderator, or beats Romney to death with the lectern.


Unless we set the bar so low for Romney that he "wins" simply for not bursting into tears, throwing a tantrum, or proposing we club old people to death with baby seals.

Your thank you letter from Team Romney is in the mail.
 
2012-09-24 04:17:39 PM  

randomjsa: "He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader."

So the opposite of Obama, right.


www.jackandjillpolitics.com

Though in all fairness, this graphic is slightly out of date...
 
2012-09-24 06:44:43 PM  

DeltaPunch: mcsmiley: red5ish: Obama is going to make him cry.

Either that, or lose his cool, and say something something truly derptastic. ( like the $10,000 bet he tried to make duriing the primaries, maybe, or "they don't make over 250k so they don't count")

That would be my strategy... hit him hard, harder than he's accustomed to from the GOP primaries. Knock him back on his heels and just let him go unscripted... we'll end up with another "I'm running for president, for Pete's sake" moment, I'll bet you $10K. 

I'd come out swinging with something like "my opponent has most likely paid zero in taxes for several years." That'll get Romney bumbling, and his best response is "no, I've paid more, you;ll just have to trust me."


His last tax return says he paid no taxes on wages, and he overpaid on taxes, that by his on words makes him unqualified to be president
 
2012-09-24 10:35:19 PM  

Weaver95: "He has to come across as a sincere, transparent, credible leader. But he shouldn't reinvent himself. Another Romney reinvention plays right into the president's hands," said Steve Deace, an influential Iowa-based conservative radio host.

so basically...Romney is f*cked.


According to Nate Silver:
 
2012-09-25 12:10:14 AM  

Weaver95: I think that when Romney loses, some factions within the GOP are going to completely lose their shiat.


He will, and they will, and it wouldn't be so frightening if we were talking about local community organizer types. But we're talking senators and governors here. You think Congressional Republicans are obstructionists now? Wait until they really go off the deep end.

In a rational world, the losers in this election would realize they've gone too far overboard and need to clean house and go moderate, but today's GOP has shown it's anything but rational.
 
2012-09-25 01:05:00 AM  

BarrRepublican: MindStalker: You know, as this looks to be a landslide for Obama, and a live in a Blue locked state. I'm seriously thinking of voting for Gary Johnson. I don't want him to win, but why the heck not.

I'm doing this in a landslide Red state. If the 'pubs haven't gotten their shiat together by 2016 with some actual candidates, I fear the Democrats will get complacent and start pushing for stupid, wasteful shiat.

I considered myself a centrist a decade ago, and now I find the central ground to be occupied by nobody but democrats. So I vote for them, and hope a rational party, be it a purged GOP or an alternate, rise up to challenge the democrats and keep them intellectually honest.


Vote for the Green Party.
 
2012-09-25 02:56:49 AM  
I expect Romney to speak in platitudes during the debate. Whîle I don't expect him to say "You know, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve", I do expect him to use that level of dizzbrainedness.
 
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